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Newbee, do you subsist on bread and water? I know I don’t. I enjoy my blintzes and cheesecake on Shavuos, aside from the fact that I’ll (gasp – oy vey -) have pizza or chicken or hamburgers and even cake and ice cream during the week. I am aware of the fact that it’s not ideal, but it’s the level I’m on.
I think your objection to the halachic dinner is that it’s a more extreme form of redifas hataavah than we’re used to, and cloaked as a religious experience.
a forum like this–it’s not a term paper
Then why did you criticize the OP?
Newbee, you’ve got a point about the halachic dinner, although I don’t think you have yet to articulate it well, but when you start bringing lofty levels of prishus in, you’re preaching to the wrong audience.
You’re making that same mistake again, assuming that if you haven’t seen something, it must not exist.
It’s not nonexistent. But it’s not referring to one specific A”Z.
Real veal (and at a meal this fancy it will be real veal)
Not if it’s assur. Then they’ll serve the stuff like the roast I bought today l’kavod Yom Tov.
Are they half asleep Shavuos night?
Then they’re secretly not really anti-feminists.
Ice. I have to look it up, though.
I’m up every night learning Toras Hatinokim
I know a woman who’s learning the same thing. Are you possibly looking for a chavrusah?
If you’re not a non-feminist, that means you’re a feminist, so probably not an anti-feminist.
Anti-feminists are non-feminists, and they sleep, as they should, so that they can be well rested to serve their husbands cheesecake when they come home in the morning.
I really don’t think it treated Shabbos itself as an inconvenience; I think it marketed the product as something which can help avoid inconvenience caused by Shabbos. I think Chazal did the same by instituting the mitzvah of hadlokas neiros, one reason for which is sholom bayis, “shelo yikashlu al eitzim va’avanim”. There’s still plenty to criticize about the marketing, though.
In what way can that be so, other than providing the “delight and comfort” that only a melacha would accomplish?
I agree that it’s wrong because it involves melachah; I was still addressing your chilluk between the KosherSwitch and the Kosher Lamp.
The Shabbos lamp enhances Shabbos because it allows us to block out light to help us sleep.
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The Shabbos switch, on the other hand, is an attempt to “kasher” a melacha on Shabbos, because it’s so “difficult” to have to go without flipping lights on and off on Shabbos.
It’s a subtle difference, but a big one.
I disagree. You wouldn’t have a lamp on if you couldn’t cover it, so the net gain is having light when you need it.
You may perceive the marketing as treating Shabbos as an inconvenience, and maybe that’s indeed the (very distasteful) marketing strategy, but the product itself can just as easily be used “to bring us additional delight and comfort on Shabbos”.
Aside from the significant melachah issues, the problems I have with it are that one can end up doing any melachah with a kosher switch – not true for a lamp, which is simply a cover, and the very fact that a melachah is taking place, as opposed to the lamp, is itself significant without the slippery slope argument.
R’ Yair Hoffman wrote an article for 5tjt, from which I quote:
Below we find the nusach of a Shtar Mechila as formulated by Rav Moshe Shternbuch Shlita of the EIda HaChareidis in Yerushalayim. It should be signed as soon as possible. There is, of course, no deadline as to when the form is signed, and it is often done many years later.
THE CHOSSON
________ ?? _______
THE KALLAH
________ ?? _______
People should send think you cards, but a couple of posters here should really put on their ayin tovah glasses.
The non-feminists go to sleep. You can sleep and be tznius, but you need to be awake to learn (unless a malach comes to you in your dream).
According to Wikipedia, it does. What do you think it means?
Sushi is a staple?
Can they eat cheesecake in the morning?
What, as a punishment for being feminists?
(I have a machlokes with popa about cheesecake. He holds it’s disgusting, I hold it’s delicious. The punishment is l’shitaso, but l’maaseh, we pasken like me.)
I don’t think this replaced the shul dinner.
When BMG made a high end Chinese Auction, there was an outcry against the yeshiva promoting excessive pursuit of gashmiyus. They cancelled.
Sure, it would bother me. I never claimed to have perfect middos. I don’t think I’d rant about on YWN, though.
Your case is also much worse. Driving off without simply saying thank you on the spot shows a lack of hakaras hatov a lot more than not going through the hassle and expense of thank you cards. I guarantee you that if the person who possibly didn’t send out the thank you card would have had a flat tire, he’d thank you profusely for helping him to change it.
I don’t know why you say I lack manners. I didn’t say you shouldn’t send thank you cards; you should. I just don’t think you should stew in indignation if you don’t receive one.
Ubiquitin, don’t go, and it won’t be raasa eino.
ZD,
Sam, why only half?
The locusts should be a problem for those who don’t have a mesorah on it.
does such a thing exist?
Yes, but he’s busy now.
Because we all know that chassidim, MO, and christians all go on dates in hotel lounges.
So if the two of you had also ordered one $2000 drink, you would have tipped $15 or $20?
Obviously not. Because percentage is more than a metric.
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No, because it represents authority over the world. As the meforshim say.
You should not be making up pshat in a Mishnah based on what you happen to know about Greek mythology.
The Mishnah is clearly referring to Atlas
Actually, the Mishnah is stating that any statue with any of these characteristics is considerrd a”z. Nothing whatsoever to do with any specific idol.
I’m not sure that being angry or annoyed at someone for not sending a card isn’t a worse middah than not sending it.
Also, did the person say thank you when you gave the gift? There’s a difference between hakaras hatov and social convention.
So yes, if you’re the recipient, send cards. If you’re the giver, give b’lev shalem, not for the thank you.
ABS-SA, I would say your excellent point a bit differently; tzniyus is a middah. That middah manifests itself in both behavior and dress.
I’m not sure why you’re asking me what *I* would say when I’ve already stated that I don’t believe it to be bittul Torah.
I’m just surprised that you’re not familiar (or in agreement) with what I thought was a universally accepted concept of “bittul Torah b’eichus”, so I thought I might be misunderstanding you.
Do you think it’s perfectly fine, or do you agree that it’s better to learn more in depth, it’s not called “bittul Torah” not to?
What would you say about someone who could learn sugyos in shas b’iyun, but instead chooses to recite Tehillim a whole day – is he guilty of bittul Torah?
My argument was along what the Bais Ephraim would say.
What does that mean?
I guess according to the Bais Ephraim, I shouldn’t lain anymore (nor should anyone who knows anything more advanced than chumash).
Thank you for tracking down the source.
I disagree with that conclusion. Despite the concept of qualitative bittul Torah, we do hear Megillah, and similarly, someone has to be motzi the tzibbur in Krias Hatorah, and I imagine that you do a fine job.
There could be numerous other reasons to justify it as well.
You’re welcome.
He hung his argument on the fact that the Shulchan Aruch says that we are m’vatel talmud torah for megillah laining. “But how,” he asked, “could you say that? Megillah itself is Torah, no?” He then answered that since we could be learning G’mara or other more complicated matters, the megillah reading was actually bittul Torah (albeit required).
No, I didn’t buy the argument then, nor do I now.
It’s the Bais Ephraim’s second teirutz to the kashya asked to him by the Noda B’Yehuda’s son.
the OP has not specified whether these exams are in limudei kodesh or limudei chol – but everyone jumped to the conclusion it is a questoin of limudei chol!!
It’s hard to imagine that someone would think a test on Torah would be bittul Torah.
I hate speeches.
What does the yerushalmi say?
The Yerushalmi (which I linked above) says the world is round. It then relates that ???????? ?????? flew up and saw the world as a ???? and the ?? as a ????.
I don’t see how that changes anything, I don’t see how your point stands, and I don’t see how you’ve refuted HaLeiVi’s point.
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I did almost the same think as takahmamash, except that it wasn’t Glenfiddich, (and there wasn’t only a bit left…).
Oomis and writersoul, I was not addressing the parnassah issue (see, however, R’ Moshe’s famous teshuvah). There are other reasons to engage in secular studies as well. I just wanted to point out that some of the reasons/excuses people give are weak.
For example, appreciating Hashem’s world is wonderful, yet it can still be bittul Torah to the point of ?????? ?????.
Hatikvah? Nuts? Moonies?
I miss WIY.
what are the next two words?
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http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14136&st=&pgnum=616
I believe it is necessary in order to live in society and to be somewhat educated and cultured
Why do you believe it is necessary to “live in society and to be somewhat educated and cultured”?
Satmar holds that the issue of the shavuos is a big problems. Others hold there are other big problems even though the shavuos are not.
You can also sharpen your mind by by learning Torah.
Do you totally disagree with ??? ??????
Religious Zionism is simply the belief that the Jewish people belong in EY… not because of any nationalistic reasons, but because Hashem gave us EY as seen in the Torah.
Not because it’s a mitzvah?
If only there were no nationalism mixed in…
Thanks.
I actually think CA did make a good point, and it is demand related. If society has been trained to accept a higher price, there will be a higher demand at that price than had they not been.