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Undoubtedly, some people do better with one mehalech, and others with a different one. There are stories the other way as well. To conclude that “Now i know that it is the litvaks who don’t really have the real yiddishkiet” is ludicrous.
LG, are the lyrics appropriate?
The fact that you can equate the terms in parentheses with the actual case shows how you’ve erred.
This is aside from the fact that this is only part of it.
Sam and Ubiqutin, the reason you are so horribly wrong on this is because we are NOT discussing one rope and two people drowning, or one unit of blood and two injured patients.
We are talking about a wholesale discounting of human life which has permeated the medical establishment.
Wolf, I’m sure the poster wasn’t referring to your joke.
Your joke was merely offensive to women.
🙂
quoted from other thread:
daas yochid: “I have sympathy for both girls and boys who are having a hard time.”
I do. There are numerous factors which can cause someone to have a hard time in shidduchim (all ratzon Hashem, of course, with various hashkafic perspectives on how bechirah factors in), but the inequality of numbers stacks the deck more heavily against the women.
“It would certainly solve the shidduch crisis.”
Not for the men
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/defining-the-shidduch-crisis
I certainly don’t think I was disrespectful.
I didn’t say you were.
I think if you actually understood what Feivel said, you might actually agree with him. I certainly hope so.
Ubiquitin and Sam, it’s not as if society doesn’t spend money on other things. It’s a false dilemma, and it’s not infinite vs. infinite. It’s become finite vs. finite.
I also wish to add my voice in protest to the way Feivel was addressed. He deserves much more respect than that, and his words deserve more consideration as well.
Ubiquitin, that last example was poor – you’re pitting the value of life vs. the value of life. The evil comes in when human life is deemed as valueless.
Most of my wives are against it.
Sam, that may or may not be true (I suppose that depends if any of the 225 or so attendees are reading), but there’s clearly worse going on here.
Always here, as I said, that’s the springboard for a discussion about values.
I have a friend who is a doctor, and has worked extensively with patients in end of life situations. Based on stories he’s told me, feivel is spot on.
It’s to a large degree about life being disposable, ch”v, not about compassion.
It’s called a “Halakhic Dinner” because halachos are taught about what is eaten.
The word “entertain” in this context doesn’t bother you?
Lots Being Dan lekaf zechus, lo seilech rachel beamecha, Motzi shem ra
Oh, please. It’s a discussion about values, using one specific event as a springboard for discussion. If you disagree with newbee, fine, but don’t forget that there’s also something called onoas devorim.
Ubiquitin, precisely which halachah in Shulchan Aruch has newbee violated by expressing his displeasure at this dinner?
Phil, I read some of the material.
Perhaps we all need to concentrate a bit more on judging ourselves than on judging others.
Go for it.
Ubiquitin, http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/halachick-dinner-what-do-you-think-about-it/page/3#post-570296, for example.
Phil, calling it “halachic” makes it sound like a mitzvah.
Newbee, I haven’t been to either, but this doesn’t sound like the same thing as mesorah dinners.
Begin by pointing out that newbee did not call people gluttons, he called the menu gluttonous.
Continue by pointing out the hypocrisy of posters hypercriticizing him for being critical.
Then remind everyone that he is not so much criticizing the fact that people enjoy a good meal, but that by calling it “halachic”, they are idealizing it when it should not be idealized.
12k+ per child tuition. ‘Nuff said. Gavra’s correct that 80k isn’t enough for the average frum family.
Gavra, he’s talking about a bachur.
All Yidden are brothers.
Such mode of conduct is antitheses of what Reshoim would do.
You’re saying that doing aveiros is the antithesis of what reshoim would do?
It’s okay, though, to criticize someone for being critical?
Eretz Yisroel is such a wonderful place!!!
It really is. What a shame the zionist reshoim are running it.
Well, you’ve probably never tasted oomis’.
Finally, is it necessary or even appropriate to use terms such as MO when offering that tochacha (or mussar schmooze).
I agree with this point. I think it’s fine to discuss whether a public event is in accord with Torah values, but there is no point in making such generalizations.
Were the neighbors actually disturbed, or more befuddled or amused?
I think he grew up frum. B”H now he’s back.
If he said it against a clear majority of poskim from this and the previous generation, I might very well react the same way.
Sam, why respond with a wisecrack instead of being mekabel mussar from wherever it comes?
Avi K, no. See Rama YD 115.
I don’t think some of the criticisms here are fair. Newbee is not demanding everyone be on the level of the Mesilas Yesharim, he is merely pointing out that the glorification of indulgence is not a Torah value.
As far as cost of housing, that’s not necessarily indicative of decadence, just of geographic desirability and supply and demand.
I understood the poster’s use of the word ‘listen’ to me ‘follow’ but allowed for the true meaning of the English word as to mean hear the expression, not adhere to the advice/instructions.
Spoken like a true lawyer.
So if you know from experience how your Rav will answer and feel it will be an answer you should not follow, don’t ask.
Who said anything about asking?
Loshon hora? Where?
I hope she/you corrected him
I called my brother in law, and we cut a deal that I wouldn’t say anything, and we’d split the malpractice money.
As the doctor was ready to surgery on my sister, he says that protocol is to mark the correct limb so that they do the right one (I told him he really should use the word “correct” in this context).
He then proceeded to mark the wrong one.
I’m a bit confused. Aren’t you the one who asked for his number?
I heard the guy became frum.
Apy, so if my rav says I can boil water on Shabbos morning for my coffee, I should listen?
Apparently.
Some females have horns.
It’s hard to know if the Har Tzvi would be mattir l’maaseh in such a case.
You too.
Do you agree with my responses?
Not if the products are imported from the U.S.
Not completely. There’s also:
3. The fact that a melachah is taking place through your actions, even if it were not technically considered even a grama, is objectionable.
The issues of marketing and intentuons are mostly between the developer and Hashem, and between he and the people (including poskim) he may have wronged along the way. I actually think he may have started with some good intentions, but got lost in his project and his judgment got clouded.
Is there a broader issue that some of us have the wrong perspective on Shabbos? Probably, but I don’t blame KosherSwitch for that.
Simcha613, because they weren’t having that for dinner anyhow. They reached so far to provide exotic cuisine that the chef couldn’t even cook it properly so that people wouldn’t get sick.
I am not “assuming the worst”. I don’t think they are evil people trying to pervert Torah values. I think they are misguided, and somewhat lacking in an important value.
Ubiquitin, this is what I mean that I don’t think he presented his point well. I don’t think he means what you think he does.
He isn’t saying, I hope, that one shouldn’t enjoy delicacies on Shabbos and Y”T. He wrote, “if the main reason you look forward to shabbos is that you get to stuff your face with stuffed chicken and meat, you should not be stuffing your face with stuffed chicken and meat”. Let’s take it literally, and illustrate. Someone is preparing for Shabbos and realizes that instead of looking forward to a day to connect with Hashem, or a day to connect with his family, he is looking to connect with his boich. He feels bad, and wants to move the focus towards what it should be, instead of to the gashmiyus. It might make sense for that person to have a simpler Shabbos to move him in the right direction, with the ultimate goal of having a Shabbos focused on ruchniyus, but merely enhanced by good food.
Is that a perversion of the Torah? I think not, but I read newbee’s words that way.
Mentsch1, if someone wants to make a point by saying we should all be eating only bread, the point will be lost.
We should all be working on limiting gashmiyus (at least during the week; I’m not so sure about Shabbos and Yom Tov) even though we are far below the ideal. There’s plenty of room for growth, and it’s not all or nothing. The Mesilas Yesharim is a valid source that we strive towards prishus, but it must be put into context.
The problem with the halachic dinner is that it absolutely glorifies pleasure seeking as a Torah value, which is backwards. It’s one thing to enjoy a good cholent on Shabbos, or even a hot dog or steak during the week, but the search for exotic, unusual foods is qualitatively a worse act of pleasure seeking, and is taking us backwards instead of forwards in the quest to connect to kedushah. I do not think newbee presented it this way.
Simcha613, I agree that making it about a particular group completely clouds and distort the issue, but don’t dismiss a very legitimate point, just because you don’t like the way it was made.
It shouldn’t be about knocking a group, or even individuals. There’s nothing very productive about that.
We should see, however, how far our pursuit of our ta’avos has taken us, and take the mussar to work on ourselves and hopefully reverse the trend.
Because the Mishnah says a rule, and we don’t twist mishnayos out of their simple meaning and as explained by Rishonim, because we think we have historical evidence, especially when the “evidence” is lack of information.