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What abbout all the people who use non dairy creamer in their coffee/tea after a fleshich meal?How is this OK?

A few reasons.

1) Very prevalent (more than cheese), although the ??? ????? is not certain of this heter.

2) If in private, according to many poskim it’s okay if the maris ayin is relating to a d’rabbonon. Many caterers only serve non-dairy creamer in the original packaging since this heter does not apply in a public setting.

3) The artificial dairy is not actually mixed with the meat as it is in the case of meat in almond milk (and Subway sandwiches). This is my own distinction; I have not seen it in the poskim.

4) If the meat is no longer around (tables were cleared) there would be additional grounds to be lenient.

A. I don’t have to figure that at all.

Then who do you think did? (typical Jewish response – a question with a question)

B. Even if so, have you ever heard anyone lain Tehillim with the trup?

No

C. Even if you did, how do you know the tune used for the trup then is the same as is used today?

N/A

My point was that he probably did write music, not that I ever heard it, although I can only imagine that it was spectacular.

I think wanderingchana makes a great point (not sure if you caught it)- why would it be called Mizmor if it was not a musical composition? Many kapitlach begin “Mizmor” or “Lam’natzeiach” (to the conductor). Then again, maybe the m’natzeiach wrote the trup?

Nobody mentioned Carlebach yet!

Wolf,

You’ve got to figure that since Dovid Hamelech wrote the lyrics, he must have written the trop also!

@iyhbyu,

@daas yochid-

That’s the most common way to reply to someone on the internet.

Thank you.

Also, I’m no posek, but the people who work for the hashgachas are.

As I mentioned, they do feel that they have something to rely on. But bear two things in mind; if a restaurant can’t get a certain hashgocha because of a particular issue, they can keep on searching until they find one which will go along with it, and the Rav Hamachshir is not necessarily my posek or yours. It’s important to be educated about the various issues in kashrus so that we can know what to ask our own poskim.

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eclipse,

We have friend who had their apartment “bombed” for bedbugs but they’ve been clean for months now. I would say even more so if you’re moving in your own (clean) belongings.

I don’t blame you at all for not wanting bugs; do you think I want them?!

D.Y. I have very few requirements!!

What’s the point of moving to a possibly bug-problemmed apt.?

I didn’t mean to imply that you’re too picky, only that there seem to be too few apartments! As far as bedbugs, they are unfortunately very common now, and my understanding is that a past infestation would not be a problem unless there is carpeting, but do your own research, I don’t know this first hand.

iyhbyu,

first of all, I’m just curious about your use of @. Why do you use it before the screen name?

As far as CY is concerned, we’re probably arguing semantics, but the bottom line is as I noted earlier, that all else being equal, it’s better to use CY, even for someone who is not interested in “chumras”. You haven’t addressed the later teshuva (the one reprinted in R’ Forst’s sefer) which makes this point clear.

As far as eiruvin, of course there are eiruvin which are 100% mutar l’chatchila (there are some around even today, i.e. in bungalow colonies); I was addressing the “local eiruv” mentioned by Oomis, which I took to mean our common neighborhood eiruvin.

To say that “eruvin in general” rely on kulos is either ignorant or stupid.

I don’t feel the need to address the content of your post; I did that already.

I will address, however the tone and choice of terminology.

Why is it necessary to adopt a confrontational and degrading approach instead of carrying on a civil discussion? Please, if you disagree, present your arguments; explain why the kulos we mentioned are not really kulos. I’m ready to hear.

As far as closing threads, from what I’ve seen, the moderator closes it for a variety of reasons. Sometimes the discussion gets nasty, sometimes it goes off topic, sometimes it gets hashkafically questionable, and sometimes it’s redundant with an earlier thread or threads.

Mods, correct me if I’m wrong.

eclipse,

I couldn’t agree more!

popa,

Do you mean that hachnosas orchim should be done as a chessed? What a chiddush!

And from what I’ve heard,once there are bugs,they always come back.

Even bedbugs? I’d double check that before I dismissed an otherwise acceptable place, especially since you’re having such a hard time.

Salted. Definitely salted.

B’taiavon!

The life which you mention,

from days of yore –

the youngsters don’t know it,

they all live “next dor”.

Hummingbird,

Verizon will probably charge an arm and a leg.

At catered events which have pareve coffee creamer or ice cream, there is often a sign telling that all milk products are pareve. In restaurants, the menu often mentions it. In either of these scenarios, there would be no problem.

Look at the ??????? in ??? ????? where he makes an excellent case for requiring it to be in its original packaging, not relying on a sign.

WILMAAAAAAA!!!!

What are the rules here? Some people are starting with the last word, some from the first, some using the whole word, and some using part of the word.

Also, due to the nature of a moderated message board, some posts are responding to two or three posts earlier. DZ, I think it’s your call, since you began.

I would also add that it is possible to say that in today’s day and age where there fake meat and fake cheese is so prevalent and publicized in the media, perhaps there is no maaris ayin on these things. I would imagine that you cannot say that for milk from almonds or human milk but for veggie burgers or pepperoni pizza I don’t think it’s so shver.

As I said, this would be the only reasonable explanation for heter.

I don’t deny that it might be right; it’s likely that the hechsherim on Subway rely on this. I personally find the distinction shver, but that’s based on my personal experience, in which parve pepperoni and cheese are uncommon. As I noted earlier, it doesn’t seem as if milk from almonds was extremely rare, since the R”ma uses the term “?????”.

newhere,

Thanks for your input and for the ???? ??????.

Firstly, I never said it was ????. Te best argument ????? might be that it’s too prevalent to be an issue of ????? ???, which ?????? say regarding margarine, but it’s far from ???? (to me) that this would apply to parve cheese.

I haven’t seen the ???”? yet, so I can’t comment on it.

The ?”? is more ????? than the ??”? and holds it’s even a problem on a ?????. That would apply to chicken, and also to ??? ??? ?????.

Many ??????? learn that the ??”? was only ???? on a ????? when it’s ????? (which would not be the case in a restaurant). See also ??”? who assumes that simple ??? in ??”? is that by meat, the ????? even applies ??? ??? ?????.

It seems that the only way to be ???? (besides what I mentioned earlier) would be to hold like the ??”?, according to how the ?”? understood him, and not like the ?”? himself. I don’t think the ?????? take this approach; see ??? ?????.

Haifagirl,

That case (vegetable burger with cheese) would likely depend on how much it looked like real beef.

Not at all, if it’s kosher it’s ok with me…

I’ve purchased fake vegan kosher pepperoni and added it to my pizza before…I kind of liked it…

If (and I stress the if; I’m not certain) there is an issue of maris ayin, then it would not be kosher.

The ??”? ??”? ?”? clearly says that meat served (he probably means cooked) in almond milk is assur unless almonds are placed in the “milk”.

Unless there are visible bits of soy in the cheese, why would the same issue not apply?

I don’t know what “fake vegan kosher pepperoni” looks like to know if there would be maris ayin on it. One could argue that the issur is only on fake dairy not fake meat, by I personally don’t see an important distinction there.

The prevalent heter for margarine, soymilk, pareve ice cream, etc. seems to be that these items are more common today than almond milk was in the days of the R”ma. I don’t know if this is true or not (??”? writes “?????“), but I find it unlikely that fake cheese is. The ??? ????? seems to be uncertain of this entire heter anyhow.

If I’m not mistaken, one of the largest Subway Franchisees is a yid named Feldman. His Subway Development Corporation headquartered in the DC area owns over 1000 Subways. I have heard that Mr. Feldman is a frum jew who keeps kosher (but I have no way to confirm that, have never tried, and it may be nothing more than a popular urban legend).

If true, there would seem to be two issues with it; doing business in non-kosher food is a problem, and getting benefit from basar b’chalav is an even bigger problem.

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