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my opinions aren’t kovea what A”Z is. Neither should yours. Reiki and the like give me a bad vibe, and they possibly could be Avizrayu D’a”z,

Bringing in Reiki (I don’t even know what it is) is a red herring. I’m not claiming it’s a technical violation of a”z, I’m saying putting a picture under the head if a baby shmeks from a”z.

A”Z is worshipping other God’s, and derivatives of this. This is neither.

It shmeks of worshiping the Rebbe as an a”z.

I see RSo also addressed why (it’s astounding that you don’t see it on your own) so there’s no need for further explanation.

No, I’m saying you stupid Brooklyn people need some made up shtus to make you feel good about yourselves.

Brooklyn is on a much lower level. That’s why they need white shirts.

Queens and the branches are on a much higher level, so they don’t need to worry about shtusim.

“so to quote it to prove anything about lubavitch is circular reasoning”
If only you (and some others) would actually read what I’ve been posting, I’m not trying to prove anything. I was countering an argument which used this story.

I’m not going to reread the whole (sub) thread, but I think CS brought up that story to show that Hashem allows tzaddikim to be involved in His decisions.

Without getting into whether the story proves that (or what that even means unless ch”v kefirah), if it’s a story passed down by the earlier Chabad Rebbes whatever message is contained in the story would be a legitimate Chabad shittah going back to before the previous Rebbe or even the Frierdike Rebbe, so I think it’s fair for her to bring the story (although she may have missed the message – as SHY pointed out, tzaddik gozer is not a concept exclusive to Chabad or to chassidus at all).

This is the sichah addressed earlier in the thread.

What was said was that there is only one Nassi hador.

So what business did the other one have arguing with him?

Perhaps it was someone else who stated that.

But Tanya is pretty accepted, so you shouldn’t have a problem with us believing that.

That’s not my point. I’m not expecting you to disagree with the Tanya.

I don’t think she’s applying that incorrectly. She didn’t base the partner stuff on that

I think the moshichism and deification is a result of that mentality.

This CS isn’t making up.

I know. I’m sure it’s not universally accepted; it’s certainly not my (Litvish yeshiva) mesorah.

But even if you accept the concept, can’t you see how dangerously it’s being applied?

There’s no such thing as overemphasis on learning. What you meant to say, I guess, is underemphasis on midos, etc.

By me, my source is Torah and that’s all.

If you can say that the Rebbe is partners with Hashem in running the world ch”v, then no, your source isn’t the Torah. And don’t go blaming the gemara for using the word partner when it obviously doesn’t mean that.

Instead of defending the indefensible, go figure out where you went off that you could use such words. I don’t mean the individual words, I mean that sentence.

But it’s innocence and naivete, not A”Z.

How do you differentiate? How do you keep people from believing the words they say, and the words their parents and in some cases teachers say?

It seems to me that you are grossly underestimating the severity of the issue, even if we accept that people don’t actually believe the words they use as they are normally used.

It’s a matter of not properly conveying what she’s trying to say.

Probably true, but again, why doesn’t the very expression revile her? There’s something very wrong going on if a mainstream shluchah can use that lashon.

Saying that the Rebbe (tzadikim) is ch”v partners with Hashem has absolutely nothing to do with what you quoted from Tanya.

That’s not a very good loshon to use. I take issue with it.

I think you need to open your eyes and realize that such l’shonos are all too common.

When those in Chabad, such as yourself, whose shittos do not include such blatent a”z turn a blind eye to such talk (and actions) and merely “take issue” with it, and write it off as mere semantics, you allow the very serious and rampant problem to fester and get worse.

The moderates such as yourself need to be more forceful against the kefirah and meshugas in Chabad and do a better job of marginalizing the offenders and uprooting it.

You can’t daven to the Rebbe. But you can ask brochos from the Rebbe for anything, as many chassidim do, not just Chabad. And today, even litvishe people by their gedolim / Roshei Yeshivos.

Sure you can ask for a brachah – from anyone. Al t’hi birchas hedyot kalah b’einecha. But if all you do is ask for brachos, why do need the whole shtikl about mimutzah hamafsik vs. mimutzah hamechaber?

Any hat is foldable. It’s the unfolding that’s the real challenge.

Why does that sound familiar?

NP, why would you make an assumption that beee meant something incomprehensible?

Yes he did.

Called him a kol yachol?

As far as the Rebbe not having sources- he said he didn’t EXPLICITLY see this written, very different than making it up from scratch, as seen the same idea from his examples.

To back up his hergesh, he learned pshat in a gemara which is not the typical pshat. That’s still not having outside sources.

Bottom line, his sources are really his own understanding, as he actually admits, so don’t claim he has sources.

Yes DY I can explain further np

So can I. The gemara is saying how bad it is to appoint daysnim based on money. The gemara contrasts that with R’ Yitzchak Ben R’ Elazar who was a dayan hagun.

See the parallel gemara in Sanhedrin (7b). See also ככר לאדן who changes the girsa.

Nothing to do with atzmus in a guf, ch”v.

(footnote : I have seen baalei Nigleh asking on this, and with a great shturem, hayitochen etc etc. But there is an explicit reference in nigle as well, and this is in the Yerushalmi bikurim chap 3, halacha 3: “and Hevaya in His Holy chamber, this refers to R’ Yitzchak the son of Rabbi Elazar in the beis midrash of Kisarin.)

Needs further explanation.

his Yahrtzeit ג תמוז is market by thousands of people visiting his tziun.

Yes, everyone agrees the day has significance, but many avoid using the term yahrtzeit.

Another accepted Torah giant, in this case chiefly, the Frierdiker Rebbe

In case you didn’t know, he was also quite controversial.

Ok happy to start answering with no further ado, as long as respect is adhered to.

“1) The boreinu-niks are not extremely uncommon, not that we need to talk about them, though you will need to distinguish how whatever atzmus areingishtelt in a guf does mean doesn’t essentially mean the same thing.

2)People who believe with unconditional certainty that the Rebbe is moshiach. To break this down, unless we’re unhinged and believed he never died, it means a belief that moshiach is here/has come, and is dead.”

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/chabad-shluchah-please-explain-why-davening-to-betten-a-rebbe-is-okay#post-1461615

Plus, as Joseph pointed out, the third post in the thread.