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Dads yochid I see you can’t even read so there is nothing to respond.
Ok, so pretend I didn’t make valid points.
If not, then it’s not that there are no answers, it’s that the questioner is not interested in answers, just questions.
I think that’s an incorrect assumption on your part. I know I speak for myself that I would love some acceptable answers to some of the craziness (to put it mildly) that goes on, as unlikely as they are.
Even if you see it that way based on some of the responses, don’t you realize that this is a public forum, and there might be hudreds of people reading your comments who never even log on? Surely you don’t think every single reader of YWN has no interest in actual answers?
I thought respect for Daas Torah was a given.
Of course it is, but who determines who is a valid source of daas Torah?
I have done that for was the two questions that started this forum.
Let’s see – the first question was betten the Rebbe. You agreed it’s wrong, and your denial that it happens doesn’t ring true. The second was treating the Rebbe as alive, to which you responded that צדיקים במיתתם קרוים מתים, but you can’t explain why in history we never had the phenomenon of a צדיק who passed being referred to as alive the way many (most) Lubavichers do with the Rebbe.
If you can’t do any better with the other questions, you won’t have done much.
I need a a starter that any Torah source is acceptable, not just the ones the questioner may be more familiar with. Also would need to clarify who the Rebbe was and is because judging people lchaf zechus, it seems some are unaware.
Since I have a halachic obligation afaik to protest the denigration of a talmid Chochom and kal vchomer my Rebbe, would need these points to be clarified before any serious answers can be posted. Lmk if you’re interested.
So basically, if the Rebbe said he was G-d, we have to accept it because of who he was.
But as Toi points out, if we’re questioning who the Rebbe was, it doesn’t make sense to accept your opinion on that as a given, and if we’re questioning Chabad philosophy, it doesn’t make sense to include Chabad sources, since we are questioning their validity as Torah sources. So making those conditions is a slick way of chickening out.
As far as tzadikim being alive after their passing see NEFESH HACHAIM
Aww, sorry, your argument doesn’t wash. The Rebbe is treated as alive more than any other talmid chochom in history.
I wasn’t saying anyone was moshiach, that has nothing to do with what I wrote
It’s hard to argue that treating the Rebbe as living and reating him as moshiach aren’t related.
Define ehrlicher yid. Then, define foodie. Are they definitions mutually exclusive? You have your answer.
Ok, go ahead. Let’s hear.
However, there are certain neighborhoods in New York, near a number of leading yeshivos, where the men dress like they just left the Beis Medrash while their wives and daughters dress like they just left a Vogue shoot.
I’m not denying that. Tznius is lacking in many areas. Chabad is still worse, and I think that for various reasons, some correlated with their outreach, they have modernized themselves, and the lack in tznius, which is even worse than elsewhere, is a result.
If the Ebeshter did not want us to experience “pleasure” from ingesting great food separate from the physiological need for nutrition, why did he wire our nervous system and sensory organs so that such “pleasure ” messages get sent from mouth to brain???
It’s not a matter of Hashem not wanting us to have any pleasure, it’s a matter of to what degree we pursue it. The argument against being a “foodie” isn’t that we should live a completely ascetic lifestyle (although prishus has a legitimate place in Yiddishkeit, it’s not for any of us on the CR), it’s that being a foodie is being too much of a pleasure seeker. There mst definitely is something called a naval birshus haTorah; the issue is whether being a foodie crosses that line.
So what’s the difference?
The difference is that the lack of tznius is worse in Chabad than any other group which considers itself chareidi, and certainly any group which calls itself chassidish.
Hml was smart bringing up the bochurim being tznius since if he brought up the women the argument would have ended right then and there.
This is unfortunately true, and I once discussed this with an old time Lubavicher who was very disturbed by it.
I think it’s hard not to attribute it to Chabad’s willingness to be so exposed to the outside world.
Is popa drunk today?
It seems there there are two questions here: is being a foodie being a naval birshus haTorah, and does being a naval birshus haTorah make one not ehrlich.
Healrh, WTP is in touch with “a practitioner who is up on the latest research- who actually is part of the latest research”, and you insist on copy/pasting from a website?
WTP, refuah sheleimah. May Hashem give you the strength to get through this.
A freebie!
And worth every penny!
Your discussion of the two brothers was neither rational nor stable. It was pure sarcasm.
No, it was a dramatized version of a more subtle but real dynamic.
Actually, you become a vacuum cleaner cleaner.
“Chabadshlucha, your pshat in kadesh es atzmecha is not the pshat of the Rishonim.”
“Please look up likutei sichos, chelek aleph, sicha beis (starting from ois vov), parshas Kedoshim for a full analysis.”
So the Rebbe made up his own pshat against the rishonim?
Huju, you seem to have LB’s issue in reverse.
What’s a cm?
0.394 inch
Anyone from the old guard still post (Sam2, GAW, PBA, etc.)?
No
ZD, correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t assume you’ve read the sefer.
I was told by my rav that I am allowed to buy tickets with maaser money
So why did you ask the CR if you’re allowed to?
I wasn’t asking this as a halacha shaila.
Then why do you ask if you’re “allowed to” or “can” use maaser money?
Would you prefer I ask you how you managed to raise daughters who married such awful baalei midos?
Maybe think about what you’re doing which causes them to be disrespectful.
The same question could be asked regarding business partners partners in which one partner insists on actions that require more hishtadlus than the other business partner feels necessary.
My unanswered question applies to that as well.
Who says the amount of hishtadlus necessary depends on your level of bitachon?
(Yes, I know Rav Dessler speaks about it, but I don’t know that we’re talking about people on that level.)
DY, the blaclk in Black Friday does not refer to Africans
And Chinese people aren’t being auctioned off, so it’s a good comparison.
These charities are NOT auctioning off Chinese…
If they were, then it wouldn’t be offensive?
Are you also offended by the term “Black Friday”?
Takes2,
Maybe you should learn to read before you spew your hatred towards the OTD world.
By attacking Avram in MD, you’ve lost any semblance of credibility you may have had. Avram has always been the most sensible and even keeled poster here, who never goes ad hominum and always treats everyone with respect, often more than they deserve.
I think that being negative and cynical is much more likely to l”a lead to children going OTD than insisting on boundaries in the home.
“This is a kosher kitchen. Please do not bring that food in here.”
“This home is Shabbos observant. We expect everyone here to put cell phones away. It can be used later tonight after havdala.”
Nothing unloving or even judgmental in those statements.
No, but that doesn’t mean the troubled teen won’t perceive or treat it as unloving or judgemental.
I think the reality, predictably, is in the middle of these extremes.
I disagree with you on the semantics. Someone who doesnt have a severe disorder is not a “choleh” (shoteh would probably have been the more halachically accurate term) but is in fact a baal aveirah. There’s really no in between.
I think what you’re trying to convey is that some people have much harder nisyonos than others, and that’s certainly the case.
I believe we are discussing a choleh.
When did HKB”K remove everyone’s bechirah?
if a teen from a Chassidishe home decides to cut off his peyos, wear a kippa sruga, but still keep Shabbos & Kashrus, is he OTD? Or his he finding his own derech?
Forget the kippa for a second; that just politicizes it. If he reduces his observance to a minimum, that’s not finding his own derech, that’s doing what’s easier.
For example for those who are able to learn all day, its a success, but for those who cannot it has failed and has no other alternative for them
If you want to define success as learning a whole day, then of course for those who can’t do that, the system fails them.
However, under any normal definition of success, which includes klei kodesh who aren’t learning a whole day, and ehliche balabatim who are shomrei Torah umitzvos and koveia itim, saying that the system has failed is demonstrably false.
but the sad fact is if you go around taking a pole and the person is not afraid to relay his true feeling (for social pressure reasons) you will have slot more who agree with me.
Perhaps if you would, you would get those results. I believe if I would, I would get vastly different results.
I think you know the wrong people.
Unfortunately our chinuch system which most swear by has failed us miserably.
Considering the way some parents fail miserably in their duties, I would say that by and large the yeshivos and Bais Yaakovs are doing an excellent job.
Iacisrmma, those are all within the last 100 years.
The whole last name concept, from A to Z, is goyish. Yidden, both him and her, traditionally never had a last name in the first place.
So is it chukas ha’akum? Should I ask people to start calling me just plain Daas? Or maybe Daas Ben Ploni (my father is makpid that I don’t reveal his screen name).
ZD, you want an army full of druggies?
DY—Why is weed worse than alcohol or tobacco?
I don’t know, go ask a scientist. I don’t either know why it’s worse than water, but it is.
Too much alcohol can kill, destroy the liver,kidneys, brain.
Someone can die from water poisoning as well, but let’s please keep things in perspective. Of course too much alcohol is terrible, but some, under limited circumstances, can be okay, but recreational pot use is not.
It is difficult to compare issurim to determine which is worse. I think enough commenters here recognize the issurim on excessive alcohol, tobacco, and weed.
If you’ll notice, the potheads here are arguing that weed is okay because alcohol and tobacco are bad.
You can argue that they’re bad, but when you make them all somehow pretty much equivalent, you support the potheads. Since smoking and drinking are considered socially acceptable, you can argue all you want that they shouldn’t be, and I’ll agree with you 99%, but let’s not conflate them; let’s acknowledge that marijuana is much worse.
Our Gedolim have spoken openly about the myth of serious intoxication on Purim as being plain old yetzer horah.
Except for the gedolim who have gotten drunk on both Purim and Simchas Torah.
Sorry, but on one said having a glass of wine for Kiddush or dinner should be assur
No one said that anyone said having a glass of wine for Kiddush or dinner should be assur.
I was addressing this post.
Having a glass of wine is not getting drunk, Having a few bottles of wine is getting drunk
And it should be limited to Purim and perhaps Simchas Torah when it’s a mitzvah/minhag.
Several posters note that canabis (in moderation) is no more dangerous than alcohol (in moderation) and probably less dangerous than tobaco. Why don’t we seriously consider assuring both alcohol and tobacco.
Because those posters are wrong.
It’s amazing the lengths people will go to defend their actions which are simply based on tremendous weakness of character.
Pot is most definitely assur, dangerous and stupid. Not necessarily in that order.
Any comparison to kiddush wine, a glass of wine with dinner, or even drunkenness on Purim and Simchas Torah, is so ridiculous as to make the motivation for the argument completely transparent.