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I don’t know what a “slava” is, but does it belong here?
Sometimes it is worth being a Moredes.
Take that as you may.
SJS: Of Course.
Note: I wouldn’t ban them permenently, but would consider a cooling off period with an explanation as per why the person was asked not to post for let us say 48 hours.
In addition, I would try to explain why posts are not accepted, at least for long time members. For example, today I posted something that was blocked. I then posted another post asking why I was blocked, giving three options (also blocked). Then another post (I don’t remember the content). Finally I asked the poster who had talked to me to, in a nice way, rephrase their post to omit the offending material. The mods then took down the original post (which I thank them for, it was offensive).
I just wish it was more clear how to reword to make posts more acceptable.
Thank you mods, that was bothering me; I have no issue with the actual post (even though it is not true).
To Fabie:
Yasher Koach to you for agreeing to the right thing even though you personally lost out. It is one of my pet peeves (and the point of a reccent article in Cross Currents by R’ Yitzchok Adlerstein regarding immigration) regarding how people don’t realize how they benefit from the laws that they deride other people getting benefits from (such as welfare, and the thousands of Kollel families that would starve without it).
Once again, Yasher Koach. May you continue in the Derech HaYashar.
I know nothing about the case.
But I can tell from this thread a few things:
1: The person in question is Charaidi.
2: An innocent life is at stake.
3: The CR has (predictably) split between social liberals (MS, Helpful, MF, etc.) and social conservatives (PY, SJS, etc.).
Might I make a “Helpful” suggestion? If there is a possibility of Pikuach Nefesh, why doesn’t one of the Gedolim get involved and raise the child? The mother (if she is normal) wouldn’t mind having her child raised by a Gadol; it would be a Kavod. The child would be safe.
A win-win situation.
I’d ban those who attack — especially subtly and indirectly — Talmidei Chachomim.
I agree.
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If I spelled it wrong, I apologize.
It may be more “humane” to give everybody money whether they work or not, but that simply does not work.
Not sure if this was meant as a pun, but it does indeed work.
They call it Kollel.
To all those who are yelling at Dr. Hall:
There is a simple way to get our economy back to a normal level.
Cut all federal benefits to New York City and the surrounding area (Philly to New Haven, including Lakewood).
We will save trillions, and the budget will be solved.
We can invest the interest payments in job creation.
CN:
At Work means only at work.
My response was blocked (to protect the right wing posters above (not you)). Ask the mod to forward.
CJP:
You are normal.
Let’s repeat:
You are normal.
Take a look at the Gemorah Nedarim 20B with the questions asked to Rav & Rebbainu HaKadosh. (can’t post here due to the MPAA rating).
BPT is correct. The Yetzer Hara is getting you by saying you are beyond the pale, when that is just simply not true.
Just like he did to Chava with the Eitz Ha’Daas, to get her husband to eat.
Ittisa and I had this discussion, and we still don’t agree on all points, but she had a great line.
Don’t attempt for a grand slam while there is no one one base, and you really want to hit a home run. You are getting the home run, and the grand slam will come in time.
Let’s see:
Rema in YD 141 says personal crosses are not Avoda Zara and Mutar B’hanah. The Shach there concurs, and says it is only Assur if it has been bowed down to previously.
A poster in YWN (Who I assume doesn’t know this Rema and makes false claims) says Assur.
Whom do you think we should believe?
I pick the Rema and Shach. chesedname can pick the poster.
There is a specific Issur D’Rabbanan to deal in Traif food.
Please do not compare to clothing.
Besides, Rov says non-jews will wear it.
Boruch Hashem, one that goes.
It is more useful than the type that doesn’t go.
Bring something everyone will drink.
Something strong, a man’s drink.
Real Diet Coke.
The one of a kind.
Mazel Tov 🙂
Agree with Popa.
He will never be happy, always thinking a better one will come around.
He should take a break from dating and grow up, then try again.
Famous example is Rashi in the fourth perek in Keddushin where Rashi deduces that the rivers (Pras & Chidekel) are backwards (flow from south to north). Tos. there says they flow north to south (which is what they actually do).
As Rashi there points out (71b), he never saw the rivers himself, and deduced his shita from the “Inyan”.
MDD:
Depends on the type of shaila, as I said there.
You would not ask Rav Elyashiv about your pot if you saw him, not without asking your own Rov furst. You would probably ask for a bracha.
But hey, if you would rather ask about your pot, and waste the opportunity, when you could have asked your own Rov (since the answer is Pashut) Kol Hakavod. When you win the Lotto, I’ll buy your ticket for $5.
WIY, Aries:
Pashut a Gemorah that all Jewish girls have inner beauty which can be brought out with enough money 🙂
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To the poster that calls himself gavra_at_”work”:
Your belief is wrong. The point is academic “modern researchers” cannot declare Rashi’s girsa “incorrect”.
P.S. Rashi’s pshat, is the poshut pshat.
Thank you for correcting me. As long as you are not Maleg on the rishonim, its all good in my book.
As per Rashi, as we said in yeshiva, Poshut P’shat is many times the most difficult Pshat. Rashi is concise and every word is important, which makes it more difficult to understand.
Halevi: I don’t think anyone applies our “moral standards” to the times of the Avos. For example, Dina was about 8? when she was kidnapped by Shechem, and the Torah faults her for being a Yotzanis!
There are other issues with Rivka being 3. For example, the other medrashim Tos. Brings down. Also, the Torah praises Rivka for being a Besulah, and if she was 3 & 3 days, the fact she was a besulah for 3 days (since before a full 3 years it grows back, al Pi Chazal) is not a big deal.
In fact, as an interesting understanding in Rashi of how Rivka became who she was at such a young age in the home of Lavan & Besuel, I would theorize that Rivka was able to be who she was at 3 due to her mother seeing Avraham when he came to bury Terach (who died 2 years earlier, and Avraham came to bury him (see Medrash Rabba)), and influeced her (the mother).
To the poster that calls himself Helpful:
I believe your point was that Rashi by definition had to have the correct girsa in Seder Olam, and that it was authoritative. As I and others have pointed out (as well as Tosfos), there are multiple contradictory Medrashim regarding the question. Saying that Rashi’s version was not authoritative and makes less sense than the other Medrashim (such as the one that says she was 14) is a valid Shittas Rishonim (such as the Tos. Yeshanim on the Daf), and is not C”V due to the Tos. Yeshanim having “20th century sensibilities”.
If that is not what you were refering to with your comment, then I apologize.
B’Hatzlacha
G@W
P.S. I’m not saying there are no answers to Pashut Pshat in Rashi, either.
If you were only “lukewarm” about the second, you should not have been proposing. Forget about not being fair to you, it’s not fair to the girl.
AMEN! Tell it like it is, brother!
And you wonder why guys get divorced. It (based on this post, in some cases) is because they never really liked the first one in the first place.
FYI, TOS. is Yevamos 61b (I believe), if anyone wants to see it for themselves.
To add to WIY:
Even if it is a Goyish Minhag (which it seems not to be), Chassidim in the Alter Heim were also into being M’Kadesh the Goyish world around them. The Rebbe, by having Kavanos during the dancing, (maybe) is able to give a brocha that is not obtainable via another method.
If someone doesn’t like such due to modern 20th century sensibilities, so be it. Our Torah is eternal and needs no revisions.
I am Moche on the Kavod of the Rishonim (such as the Ramban) that disagree with Rashi, that someone should call them subject to “20th century sensibilities” is close to Apikorsus.
Next:
I don’t see MF attacking anyone. We have no idea what Rashi was, and I believe Dr. Hall would agree to that. It doesn’t change the point made, that even Rashi can make mistakes (unless you are in the
“Gedolim are G-ds” (Afar L’Pumei) camp, which in that case you are not a practicing Jew), and he may have made his point based on false information (I don’t think so, but it could be). Rishonim in many cases misquote other Rishonim (a famous case being the Rashba on Keddushei Kesef with Karka), and if the source is not there, it may be a misquote.
Try talking about the holiday season (which is not denominational, and includes festivus), vs. “the Holiday”, which is celebration of Avoda Zara that murdered Yiddin just for being Jews for over 1000 years.
Don’t forget Axis & Allies.
Also how about Ping Pong (an extremely Yeshivish game), Foosball, and air hockey?
Moshe:
What you are supposed to say is: “How can a couple make a contract for only five years? He has to learn forever, and they can’t contract to do an Issur D’Oraysa of working!”
You are getting Liberal in your old age!
No, the Ba’al Shem & Chassidim (at least the way the Gaon saw it) advocated the abrogation of your personal responsibility to learn Torah, claimed they were capable of independently making Nissim, and placed the Rebbe on the level of a god (lower case).
Not that any of this is currently true (with minor exceptions), but the claims are way worse then you would think.
Mrs. tzippi:
We are talking about the girl working to earn money so that she can go, not that the parents will pay for it.
Learning that work pays off is also a valuble lesson (although one that is somewhat out of favor).
PBA:
I think the problem was the shrimp were whole.
What do you call the one who doesn’t like turkey to begin with and therefore doesn’t have the schar of resisting the temptation to have turkey on Thanksgiving? 🙂
Someone who is missing out on the finer things in life.
Next thing you will tell me is that you don’t drink wine, and can’t enjoy a good steak.
What sort of Wolf are you!? 😉 Any wolf I know will grab any turkey it can get.
Rubbermaid, sticker labels.
Or pass on to next in the family, and get back when done/need it.
I’ve found that some people view of derachim in yiddishkeit is like Henry Ford’s view regarding choice of color in the Model-T.
So true (and a very good dimyon to the claim of Shivim Panim), I smiled when I read this.
Thank you.
You will never have a second childhood.
And the girl will feel second class if she doesn’t go.
Spend it.
this is a good example of what separates a ben torah from a apikoros.
a ben torah says if that’s what the posuk hador, rav moshe zazal says, that’s what we’ll do, we can try to understand his reasoning, but there is no room for turkey on that day in my house!
an apikoros says, i don’t see what’s wrong with it, so I’ll eat it, until and unless you convince me not to.
wouldn’t this be the one thing that’s easy to adhere to? and not spend time looking for heterim? i purposely don’t eat turkey (which i like) to show i listen to gedolim, and proud of it!
🙂
The Shoyte says I don’t see what is right with it, so I won’t eat it.
The Apikores doesn’t eat it, philosophising about how this turkey’s life is just as important as a human’s.
The Avaryan says I love Turkey, so I don’t care if it assur.
A Ben Torah does research, checks the Poskim, delves into the Teshuvos, and decides on his own what the Mehalech is, and then discusses with his Rov or Rebbe.
The Am HaAretz hears a teshuva on the internet, and decides that is the final word.
The Poshit Yid asks his Rov, whether that Rov Paskins like Rav Moshe or Rav Solevatchik is of no concern to him/her.
Barefoot and in the Kitchen
Not discriminating between men and women
The only knowledge is with the Rabbi at the helm,
In the Shtetel village (known as Chelm)
😉
🙂
good Jewish father in law already started paying tuition and his kids will be kicked out if he stops.
Now that is daughter is married, he needs to work to support the couple (as he was forced to sign), or his daughter will get divorced.
What is the question?
The hardships of Kolel are nothing compared to the pleasures. Like Rav Aharon ZT’L said – that those who support learning might get Olam Habah like those who learn, but they surely don’t get Olam Hazeh like them. Money isn’t everything – even in Olam Hazeh.
100%! The easiest way to get through life is to remain in Kollel.
It would be beautiful if everyone learnt in Kollel full time.
That’s what I told my school admin.
He laughed at me 🙁
jk
In this time period, Kollel is easy.
It used to be (25-30 years ago) that Kollel required Misiras Nefesh. No longer true. I remember Lakewood 25 years ago. It was real. That doesn’t mean that the learning isn’t Kneged Kulam.
I actually was at a Kollel gathering in my community and most of the Kollel Yungelight could not come up with an example where they were moser nefesh. Those that did paled to what is required from a frum working man. Now, my community may not be typical (nor the Kollel), but it does say something.
Today, you have to be Moser Nefesh to work, and even more so to pay your children’s yeshiva.
SR: Don’t bother.
MF:
$100 even, it says canolli inside :-0
100% fur felt.
(a C to start and ends with lli).
Dorm or not?
Sending a 14 year old boy to a dorm has its own issues. Not to rule it out, but to be Choshesh.
Mod-80:
C”V! I don’t even care if you did drive a Lexus, I would be happy for you 🙂
As I pointed out in that thread, I don’t have a Megilla either; for me the extra spent on the better hat is not worthwhile.
I also don’t wear it on the street on a regular basis, you might, so a “better” hat would be worthwhile for you.
I don’t mean to “start up”. Just consider that a Borsilino itself may not be required.
I notice now the OP points this out himself
“It doesn’t have to be a Borsalino, but anything in a similar form.”