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gavra_at_workParticipant
Bishita, I don’t wear one (I wear a no name brand).
I don’t see how it is different than driving a Lexus. I once heard a shiur from Rav Yaakov Bender where he said this idea as well. 🙂
November 18, 2010 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm in reply to: Soda Pop, Sales Tax Targeted To Cut Deficit #1121223gavra_at_workParticipantIt will also raise inflation, which is part of the Fed’s program to create demand.
November 18, 2010 3:06 pm at 3:06 pm in reply to: Inviting Non-Jewish Co-Workers To A Simcha? #1144043gavra_at_workParticipantSJS:
Many Tannayim & Amorayim were friends with non-jews.
Abbaye and the graverobber being a specific example, but there are others (such as the obvious, Rebbe and Antoninus)
More so, how about Avraham and Aner, Eshkol & Mamre?
Don’t worry about it.
gavra_at_workParticipantWIY:
I happen to like the socratic method (If you haven’t noticed yet). I apologize if it bothers you. It is a rather jewish thing to do it seems, always answer with a question.
For things like mitzvos of Yom Tov, if the label item is nicer, and it can be afforded, then why not? (Rhetorical)
November 17, 2010 7:45 pm at 7:45 pm in reply to: Inviting Non-Jewish Co-Workers To A Simcha? #1143995gavra_at_workParticipantThanks Mod80.
gavra_at_workParticipantWIY:
Fair enough. But it then seems you can indulge if it is a “minhag” and you are not using other people’s money.
How about Halacha, like buying clothes for Yom Tov?
gavra_at_workParticipantGAW
It can be well argued that an apartment is a necessity an an intelligent investment as owning real estate in Israel is a winning proposition especially if you read the recent articles on how the real estate market is booming in Israel.
Designer clothing is most definitely not a necessity! Its totally for Gaivah especially when taken to excess.
Of course. Everyone’s shver can indulge his SIL with 50K – 100K to “invest” on other people’s Cheshbon (collecting).
How about renting an apartment, just like the rest of the world?
Plain and simple luxury, insisted on by bochrim who have been taught it is their birthright.
gavra_at_workParticipantWolf:
Old school Lakewood was the real deal.
November 17, 2010 7:10 pm at 7:10 pm in reply to: Inviting Non-Jewish Co-Workers To A Simcha? #1143978gavra_at_workParticipantcherrybim:
You think we can’t tell you are Frum just because you wear a baseball cap?
November 17, 2010 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm in reply to: Inviting Non-Jewish Co-Workers To A Simcha? #1143977gavra_at_workParticipantCN:
Even if you are correct (which you are, it is an outright MB 512:3), you go to far in your Kannoiness.
Besides, Wolf did say he discussed it with his Rov. Perhaps having Yiddishe Nishamos at a Yom Tov meal overrides the Gezairah?
I surely would think so, but I am not a Rov (and neither are you, obviously).
gavra_at_workParticipantWIY:
Now you have to prove designer labels are included as “indulgent”.
Please also prove that it is more indulgent than buying your children apartments for their Chassuna, which is accepted practice in Charaidi EY. If that is Muttar, I can’t see how designer clothes would be a problem.
I await your proof.
November 17, 2010 6:21 pm at 6:21 pm in reply to: Inviting Non-Jewish Co-Workers To A Simcha? #1143965gavra_at_workParticipantMod80, I’m not sure that’s true. I think the “assur” cries are becoming more and more of a problem in the Jewish community in general. People aren’t properly educated and if they hear something that is different from what they specifically know, they don’t question “could it be ok” but rather say “assur, treif” etc. Each Rav paskens differently, so it may be assur for you, but it doesn’t mean its always assur.
To SJS and Mod80:
Rav Gifter always had a shita that one should look up the question, chances are someone has asked it and we can at least base ourselves off that.
It is a lost art, to find out what the Halacha is Vs. assuming Assur or Muttar.
Look it up at the source, and learn the Halacha.
Check with your Rov that you are correct. I have been told by my rov on a number of times that I was correct, but still should not do it for other, not necessarily pure halachic reasons (and yes, I listened).
Don’t just follow the “Kol Korei” or the latest fad (either for Issur or Heter), be knowledgeable.
That is what worries me. Not the Assuring (which is easy) or Mattering (which is more difficult), but the Am Haratzus and the inability to learn and think independently.
gavra_at_workParticipantClearly bombmaniac was born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
Sounds like an alarm is ringing on the Kinnah-O-Meter. 🙂
People who claim to be ovdei hashem but habitually emphasize materialism in their lives are hypocrites.
As I have said, my experience has been that the real “Ovdei Hashem” also emphasize money, due to its lack, if not materialism.
When was the last time you saw a herring and Kichel (or salami sandwich) wedding? Or do you go collect to buy an apartment?
gavra_at_workParticipantif your husband is in kollel then act like it.
Why, if daddy is paying for it?
Reminds me of the Marvelous Middos Machine song about the toy store
November 17, 2010 4:54 pm at 4:54 pm in reply to: Inviting Non-Jewish Co-Workers To A Simcha? #1143937gavra_at_workParticipantLMA: Rav Moshe actually mentions both, and seems to take issue only with eating things, not entering (to use Sherutim, for example). And as Rav Moshe seeems to say there (last 5 lines), if everyone who sees you will know that you are doing something unquestionably Muttar, then it would be allowed.
Why don’t you take a look and decide for yourself?
gavra_at_workParticipantramateshkolian:
I assume then you do understand Tznius.
What is the Mekor for Tznius?
Mod80, feel free to pipe in whenever you want, you know we agree on this one, and have discussed it before. I’m going in the same direction.
November 17, 2010 4:44 pm at 4:44 pm in reply to: Inviting Non-Jewish Co-Workers To A Simcha? #1143930gavra_at_workParticipantMF:
If you read the Teshuva inside, with the situation presented, (including the first part of the paragraph, not just the second half) that is what Rav Moshe is talking about, not a known non Kosher Resturaunt.
I guess Rav Belsky and I just understand the teshuva differently than you do.
P.S. 4:82 has nothing to do with the question that I can see.
gavra_at_workParticipantYes names from Tanach have more holiness.
Like the popular names Nimrod, Yishmael and Ezevel 🙂
Vs. The names Gimpel, Yenta and Kloynamus.
I assumed her name was something like NELI (Netzech Yisroel Lo Yishaker).
gavra_at_workParticipant??? ????? ??, ??? ????? ??? ????? ??
😉
Depends on how permissive you are.
Personally, I would have no problem with it, but I would understand if others would.
Israeli style Ultra Orthodox (for lack of a better term) would not allow it.
I feel the need to add I have not seen the new episodes, and can not vouch for them.
November 17, 2010 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm in reply to: Inviting Non-Jewish Co-Workers To A Simcha? #1143914gavra_at_workParticipantMF:
The IG”M is talking about there where the resturaunt is mixed, kosher & non kosher. There, one can not enter because someone will think the person is eating the traif stuff, or that the store is Kosher.
Here, we are talking about a well known non-kosher resturaunt (in which no one would have a Hava Amina that it is Kosher) where you can buy a soda. As I said, if the guy is holding a burger, it would be MA.
Nireh B’aynai, that if there would be a Safek (such as Dunken Doughnuts or Subway, which some are Kosher), it would be more of a problem, and perhaps the IG”M would apply.
It is a good Mekor though (and very much Nogaigh in other cases), and I thank you for pointing it out to me. This is why I stay, to learn.
November 17, 2010 2:43 pm at 2:43 pm in reply to: Inviting Non-Jewish Co-Workers To A Simcha? #1143906gavra_at_workParticipantTo the poster called Helpful:
I am not aware of any posek who says you should sit shiva for a cousin.
Please provide a source.
2: The MB there does not bring down “this” Taz. Even if it does exist, it is probably talking specificly on Yom Tov (as per the Siman). And if it is not, it argues on the Shulchan Aruch and the MB.
Please point me to somewhere I can read it (I don’t have a SA with TAZ at work).
gavra_at_workParticipantWhen I was in sem, some of the teachers only called me by my second name, my first name not being ‘frum’ enough.
MeShom Rayiah?
Sem is (IMHO) one of the great destructive forces in Klal Yisroel, for many reasons.
gavra_at_workParticipantAbolish all labels, including Orthodox. A Jew is a Jew.
Sounds like a plan.
Rav Moshe in teshuvos used the lashon of “Yerayim” for those who fear Hashem. I try to use it as well.
May we all be Zoche to Yiras Hashem.
November 17, 2010 2:16 pm at 2:16 pm in reply to: Inviting Non-Jewish Co-Workers To A Simcha? #1143900gavra_at_workParticipantSJS:
Maryis Ayin is (in those cases) only if someone would think it is Kosher. If it is a known Traif store (such as McDonalds), there is no Maryis Ayin since no one will think that the cheeseburger is Kosher (Al PI Rav Belsky).
gavra_at_workParticipantIm wearing a Kiton shirt…
I also think that its disgusting how certain young guys think that they have to wear everything thats either Hermes Burberry or Ferragamo.
I have to admit, I have no clue what these are.
Are they made in Italy or something?
WIY: The yeshivos request that you make your large donation known, so that it will insipre others. Only if you strongly insist they will not say anything, and you will feel guilty about it.
gavra_at_workParticipantWell, as I said, I won it at an auction. I probably would not have bought it outright.
CV, not complaining that you DO have one 🙂
gavra_at_workParticipantI think part of the issue is the age one sends their child to Israel or specifically the boys because the girls usually all go post 12th grade.
Know your child!
You have a good point.
gavra_at_workParticipantBP Totty:
Once a neighbor parked in my driveway.
Then he had to leave his car.
It was a mistake, he apologized, Vaiter.
Was I annoyed? yes. But know what, he is 99.9% of the time a great neighbor and a good friend (and I’m happy to have a frum neighbor as well).
P.S. I like my grass and trees; why should I move?
gavra_at_workParticipantHerring 🙂
gavra_at_workParticipantThe main issue is spiritual emptiness.
I respectfully disagree.
The people that I know that have real money (9 figures +) do not and have no need to “flaunt” it.
It is the people who do not have money who worship/obsess over it (at least from what I have seen, from the kollel guys who hock about it to the people who borrow to dress their children matching or to make a wedding “just like the Cohens'”).
Then if they get it (in whatever fashion), some people feel the need to say “I’ve made it” to their peer group. Ga’aiva, perhaps.
The only reason to have money is as a tool for Avodas Hashem. Pay bills on time, pay tuition, give tzedaka (All Mitzvos D’Orayssa), as well as other good causes.
Now, being that I am not in Ramat Eshkol (to the OP), I can’t speak for other areas.
There is also peer pressure involved in those areas (possibly), which may “force” people to dress showy. Ramat Eshkol is the American neighborhood in Yerushalyim, correct? It may just be importing those attitudes (maybe, I don’t really know).
Wolf: Good for you, that is the right thing. I still don’t have a megillah (after all these years), I just don’t see it as required over other expenses.
gavra_at_workParticipantSigh. From the comments here, I see a whole lotta people that could stand to move (and stay) out of town.
Grass, trees, space between homes….
Doesn’t sound so bad. 🙂
Now if we could only open up a KD…..I would get really fat 🙁
November 16, 2010 7:52 pm at 7:52 pm in reply to: Inviting Non-Jewish Co-Workers To A Simcha? #1143847gavra_at_workParticipantAnd?
As long as you explain to dress Tznius, what would be the problem?
Of course, having such a large Upsharon that you would invite like a wedding sounds like its own issue.
gavra_at_workParticipantTo be fair, the poster called helpful did not mention having the government towers come down; perhaps he means a private tower.
gavra_at_workParticipantThe friend was pressing me, and it turns out that it is because the girl already likes my son.
Hate to point this out, but this is a point for separation of genders for “various organizations at which he volunteers”.
(I assume NCSY type?)
gavra_at_workParticipantI think he is a Mossad Agent.
(2)
Perhaps Shin Bet.
gavra_at_workParticipantDepends if it a girl or boy.
Girl would be nuts to give up a date in most cases. If I was the parent, I might try to convince my daughter myself.
Boy who has a list can just say I will put her on the list.
Boy who has no list, what do you have to lose?
gavra_at_workParticipantWIY:
Well said, but it will never happen.
Too many yeshivos & Kollelim will close.
There should be special Kollelim for Metzuyanim geared towards producing serious Talmidei Chachamim and Gedolim. I mean guys who are very intelligent and diligent who are prepared to become Rabbanim.
I hate to be picky, but I think both Chafetz Chaim and REITS? (YU Kollel) have such programs. There should be the ability to continue learning if you so desire without end, but why should you be supported/ get a kollel check/ get a tuition discount?
Personally, the Kollels I support have both Bechinos & attendance taken. I also have seen a program that many Kollel guys take tests (I forget what they are called) for extra cash; that can only be a good thing.
The current system is a joke and geared towards mediocrity and lack of accountability. We are mass producing lazy people that’s it.
As I have said, the easiest job in the world is Kollel Bochur. Problem is, what to do with them when they should leave and have no workforce skills.
Very good post.
gavra_at_workParticipantWhile I’m also Chassidish and disagree with many things you and others write, I wouldn’t bash and degrade you for it. I believe you do what’s good for you and when Moshiach will come, he will show us the right way for it all.
I like this, and it is very true.
gavra_at_workParticipantMF:
I look forward to your data.
Dr. Hall:
I would hope every frum jew does not think of Ayn Rand as ideal, or even close to it. Every Yid has a responsibility to the welfare of other Yidden, as well as others around him.
But even the taxation powers of Beis Din (which do exist) are not similar to the Government powers that we have now. Kupa and Tamchui are not welfare and MOFES. In addition, by keeping these to local Beis Dins, they were able to investigate each case before they actually gave them anything (with minor exceptions).
I see it more as an extension of those responsibilities vs. the Colossus we have now.
gavra_at_workParticipantThey refuse to teach their kids English so they will not be able to mix with the outside world and pratically be forced to stay in the insular communities in which they were brought up.
This is the essence of Israeli Charadism.
It has always been so (IMHO).
gavra_at_workParticipantMF:
Thank you.
I agree with the concentraion. You have a good point.
“willi”
BP
KJ
NS
Can you post results for these areas for the most recent election?
Also, do you explain the vote in NS like SJS etc.?
Thanks.
gavra_at_workParticipantTo the poster that calls him/herself SR, MF, Guess who & (as well to) helpful:
1) So you agree with the assessment of SJS & Feif Un that Chassidim vote Democrat because they are softer on crime, and that is a mitzva of Pidyon Shevuyim?
2) Can you please post actual data with sources backing up your claim that the vote was an anomaly? For example, the vote should have then been in the most recent elections (or for any other) pro-republicn, even for New Square.
Thanks.
gavra_at_workParticipantTo the poster who calls himself guess who:
1) Are you also MF?
2) Do you have an answer for the New Square vote?
3) Do you believe the vote was atypical of Chassidim? If so, please explain.
4) Do you have any facts that back up your claim (for example, can you post results from Kiryas Yoel, with how many voted Democrat & how many voted Republican)?
Thanks.
gavra_at_workParticipantTo the poster who calls herself MF:
1) The entire world is not NYC (even though it may seem like it).
2) Please post specific results (how many voted on each side for the district).
3) Please explain the Hillary Clinton vote.
Thanks.
gavra_at_workParticipantTo the poster that calls him/herself helpful:
There is a whole sugya in Bava Metzia regarding doing Dina D’Nafshe for others (for payment or not), even as a sheliach.
Ask your LOR for actual halacha.
gavra_at_workParticipantNo.
The special interests are too entrenched in the system.
gavra_at_workParticipantTo the poster that calls him/herself helpful:
I have no angle.
I am awaiting your explanation as per why Chassidim vote Democrat (in general), but are not liberals.
If your answer is like everyone else (they do so for the money), please say so.
Thanks,
G@W.
Feif Un:
So that vote was to get people out of jail?
Perhaps it is as I have heard, that Chassidim vote Democrat because the Democrats are weak on crime.
If Rubashkin’s case would have been in San Fransisco, he would not have any problems.
gavra_at_workParticipantmythoughts:
And Chazer is cheaper.
I would hope that Yidden don’t act based on money.
gavra_at_workParticipantFollowing strict Halacha (as we all try to do), the cars should be pushed out onto the street by the homeowner.
Avid Inish Dina D’Nafshe B’Makom P’siada (when the homeowner needs access to their driveway).
Of course, ask your LOR for practical use.
gavra_at_workParticipantGAW, wasn’t there a pardon agreement with Clinton? Or was that Bill? I honestly forget.
I’m not sure, and neither side admits to it (as far as I know).
But that might be a mitigating reason. I have heard a rumor that there was a taped call from a former felon (Chossid) saying to vote for Democrats because they are easier on crime/jail. (I don’t know if it is true or not).
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