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Avi K -“1. You wrote that only a machloket between the Chreidim and National Religious is a machloket. This implies that you hold that within a camp there must be uniformity.”
I never wrote that. You misunderstood my post.
“2. I dispute your statement that the majority opposed Rav Kook. BTW, the Satmar Rebbe admitted that he was a daat yachid but said that being that others did not sit down and learn it out with him he was not obligated to change his opinion.”
Another lie. While most didn’t go as far as Satmar, almost e/o didn’t agree with Rav Kook!
Sam2 -“Health: Just because a minority held like Rav Kook’s Shittos on Eretz Yisrael and Zionism doesn’t meant that you can reject everything he said out of hand.”
You can when it comes to the State of Israel!
Avi K -“Health, where do you get off make wild accusations about moi aussi’s source of income? It seems to me that you are a world-class motzi shem ra. BTW, name-caling is a cognitive bias (you can google it).”
It was a rhetorical question and you know it!
Actually all you do is speak Motzay Shem Ra – especially about this guy who was sent to prison!
“As for the Sikrik, he was caught on video tape and convicted according to mishpat hamelech – which has the force of Halacha.I suggest you go learn the sources I posted.”
You base your opinions on lies and this is one of your main ways how you manipulate ignorant posters here! There is no video of him commiting any crime. He admits he was there at the demonstration, but says he acted in self-defense! The guy came out swinging and he defended himself! There was many corraborating
witnesses for him and not one for the store owner. Even if they (Medina) could have a Din of a Malchus -that wouldn’t give them permission to put innocent people in jail. They act like a dictatorship, not like a democracy! But you are so blinded by your Zionist ideals -you can’t possibly see the Truth!
moi aussi -“Health, I don’t attack anyone, I defend the attacked. I did not take any sides in the discussion, I was addressing your attitude (name-calling) towards people who differ with you in opinion.”
I don’t really care whether you like my attitude or not!
Your parents Always told you speak nicely. This is Not always the case. If s/o is speaking Kneged the Torah -you can be derogatory.
Maybe you think every Jew has the right to their opinion, but this is Not the case. Judaism is Not a democracy! Your parents should have taught you more about Daaos Kozvos!
And btw, this poster is not a weakling & attacks others plenty himself -he doesn’t need an Amazon Woman to defend him!
ConcernedMember -“I do not know you in person so I will not say anything about you, however I will state that your writings on this forum are about as far from “Torah True” as anything I have ever seen.
Calling what you post “Torah True” is a horrible insult to the Torah itself and those who follow in its ways. Your writings would be enough to make the Gedolim of our past cry and ask themselves how their teachings got so distorted to create such animosity.”
It’s funny but you only have the Chutzpa to comment about me!
Even though you call yourself Concerned Member -the only concern you have is to correct me. How come you are Not the least bit concerned with all the Krum Dayos that are posted here? How come you are not the least bit concerned about the non-stop bashing & hatred of Charedim that happened even here in the CR of the Yeshiva World, after the spitting incident in Bais Shemesh?
If you were concerned about these -I think you would have posted at least once about these issues!
Your post reminds me of what the Concervatives did following Rubashkin’s conviction. They made a Hechsher Tzedek. The food doesn’t have to be Kosher as long as e/o practices ethical behavior. You don’t care about all the things said which is against the Torah, as long as everybody talks nicely!
Sam2 -“Health: I was proven wrong? From what?”
From the Rambam.
“You’re grasping at straws with your Diyuk in the Rambam (you may have proven that an atheist has the same Din as an Oved Avodah Zarah L’davar Zeh, but that’s it)”
It’s no Diyuk -he says it outright!
“and you’re using an anachronistic concept of the word “Kopher” and branching it over many things that it shouldn’t be branched over.”
A Kopher is a denier like an atheist. I didn’t branch out at all. I didn’t say a Kopher B’dovor Echad, even though they have a Din of Kopher B’ikkar. I said a Kopher B’Ikkar has the same Din as a Oived Kochavim. And you can do to them like you do to any O’K!
I’m sorry this is such a Chiddush to you, but to me this is Pashut!
DaasYochid -“Health: “Since when is a coil -Aish?”
Achiezer, and pretty much universally accepted since. Vadai and not Safek.”
Such Naarishkeit! How could the Achronim say Vaday? I’m sure they don’t say Vaday -they just say Ossur. This has to be because of Sofek! Did they have electric burners in the Mishkon?
“The Temperature is irrelevant. Anything over Yad Soledes is Bishul Min HaTorah.”
Then you post this which you just contradict yourself:
“Actually, the Gemara says it’s only d’Rabannan. However, many Achronim explain the reason is due to a distinction in the quality of the output; solar heat will not cook as well as fire.”
So which one is it? Yad Soledes or cooked as well? You obviously don’t think before you post! Cooking in a crock pot doesn’t cook as well as a fire -that’s why it takes so long. Same with sand!
If you weren’t so sure that you are never wrong -you wouldn’t have wrote what you did. You assume an electric burner is the same as a crock pot. Who told you to assume this? An electric burner would be Ossur D’oraysa if the food reaches Yad Soledes. (Because of Sofek.) A crock pot would only be Ossur D’oraysa if it cooks as well as fire and it doesn’t!
“you suffer from Kaas also!!!
That isn’t Kaas! Didn’t you read the title of the topic? It says Kanoyim. That is Kanoyis!!
I totally lost any respect for you after this last post. Don’t respond to be again in this topic unless you have something new to say. Repeating the same dribble over and over again -only makes you right (or more right) in your mind only!
Yenta -Whom are you treating that you need new guidelines?
Way before this study came out -I’ve posted many times here that it’s a 3-pronged approach. Why don’t you read my former posts?
YT -I know you don’t want to hear this, but it’s only a hip replacement -they aren’t doing anything to the pelvis. Even if it’s a double hip replacement -get it ASAP. This way you can stop being an invalid and be able to be a husband /father (if you have kids) and get a job or whatever. You don’t want to be laid up forever.
Refuah Shlaima!
moi aussi -“Health, I am neither a guy, nor a Tzioni, and I’m not being fooled by anyone. My parents of blessed memory, raised me with Jewish values.”
So why are you defending him and attacking me? I’m the one with the Torah True Jewish values!
Sam2 -“There is definitely some connection between the two. That still doesn’t prove your point that the Gemara says it’s only Muttar to make fun of Avodah Zarah and you add Korfim to that list.”
You keep arguing after I proved you wrong. Why?
You see from the Rambam that AZ is a type of kefira. So at least the two are the same, if not that Kefira is worse. So of course you can make fun of Kofrim!
adams -“So the permissibility to curse at women who are dressed tznius but not exactly as you would like is based only on the Rambam?”
If you are talking to me -I never said that. Don’t put words in my mouth.
Yenta – It was in all the news online. It’s even possible that YWN had it. Google it -I didn’t pay attention to the details -like who published the study, etc.
Avi K -“3. I did not write that there is a machloket about singing in the Chareidi “camp”. I wrote that there are machlokets. Do you deny this?”
No, but what does Machlokes anywhere have to do with this?
Your points are getting less & less coherent!
“6. Why does there have to be uniformity within a “camp”. Is there party and coalition discipline in Halacha as in parliamentary systems?”
Noone said this! Where did you make this up from?
“7. While we are on the subject, learn Rav Kook’s essay “Massa HaMachanot” printed in “Maamarei HaRaya” where he decries the existence of camps (in his time there were only: chareidim and chofshiim) as preventing teshuva.”
You seem to have a problem with the concept of Rov (Many). Almost No other Godol agrees with Rav Kook. Maybe that’s what K in Avi K stands for – Kook. Even if you are a descendent and perhaps it’s your Mesorah -noone else can listen to him – he is a Daas Yochid who disagrees with many, many Gedolim. So stop pushing his Shittos on e/o else!
DY -“Health, by the way, was “on time out”, so it was intended to be temporary.”
I have no idea what the intention was, but at first the subscript said “time out” & then it said “blocked”.
I don’t think there was a real difference as far as blocking goes – I just think some Mod was trying to be funny and posted “time out”.
Sam -“Health: You are trying to create a Halachic concept by taking line from Aggadic Midrashim and giving a Halachic P’shat in them? Come on. You know that’s not how Halachah works.”
I’m not going to play this game with you. These are basics of our Torah.
“And who says the difference was Emunah? Maybe the difference was that HKBH promised this to their forefathers? That makes much more sense, since the Passuk itself tells us that B”Y didn’t believe Moshe.”
“Lo Nigalu Avosaynu MeMitzrayim Elah B’zcus Amonah (Emunah)” – Yalkut Shemoni B’shalach
This isn’t good enough because it’s Aggada, not Halacha?
Well here is Halacha -“And because of the following I listed the Din of Megadef (cursing) in the Halachos of Avoday Kochuvim because both are Kofrim B’Ikkar!” -Rambam -Hilchos Avodas Kochuvim
Perek 2 #6.
Josh31 -“But for those who do, that is no excuse not to be now good citizens if you live there.”
And you wonder why I call you a racist? Who told you 99.99% of Charedim aren’t good citizens? Because you found a few who throw rocks and spit? Blaming all the Charedim for the actions of a few is called Racism! Didn’t you go to school where they have secular subjects? If yes, how come you don’t know the definition of a Racist?
hello99 -“I think the differnce between us is that you love Milchama and I love Torah”
Sorry you don’t love Torah -you only like Torah if you can say something is Ossur or you can do some Chumra and push this Chumra on others too! And since you responded this way to me -shows you suffer from Kaas also!!!
hello99 -“Health: Your distinction is irrelevant. The Cheftza of the coil is unchanged, regardless of whether they are always or only sometimes covered. The coil remains the same coil.”
So what? Since when is a coil -Aish? Cause you say so? A coil in a housing like a bulb which gives off light -could be a Sofek -perhaps it’s similar to a fire. A fire gives off light. The crock pot doesn’t give off light -it’s not made this way. Because it got cooked -so what? The cooking in a crock pot is not the same as cooking on a fire. The fire is much hotter and therefore the food gets done much quicker!
“As others have pointed out, your understanding of Dumia l’Meleches HaMishkan is critically flawed. As the Eglei Tal and Shvisas HaShabbos explain, when the outcome is identical to the Ma’aseh haMishkan and only the procedure is changed, it becomes a Toldah. Still d’Oraisa, just not the Av Melacha. So, if you wish to claim that a crockpot is only a Toldah of Bishul, as Tzli and Tigun are, and not the Av, there would be what to discuss, however there is no practical Nafka Mina. However, it is rediculous to claim it is only d’Rabbanan”
Your trying to prove that I’m wrong from these two Shittos – Since you didn’t post a copy here of what they wrote -either you are misconstruing what they say or we don’t Pasken like them.
There is a Din that you are allowed to cook in the sun, but cooking in sand heated by the sun is Ossur. Acc. to you this should be Ossur M’doraysa because the outcome is the same -so it’s a Toldah. But I’m sorry to inform you -the Achronim say this is only Ossur M’drabonon. You must be right and the Achronim must be wrong because the outcome of the cooking is the same -so it’s a Toldah/D’oraysa!
uneeq -“I responded to you no less than 3 times.”
And I’ve responded to your Naariskeit every time.
“You may argue that the heating elements don’t reach the deoraysa -glowing red hot- level, although according to the famous chazon ish, “chatzi shiur m’doraysa” and therefore even if it will never glow its still an Issur deoraysa. etc…”
Buy you really don’t read my posts. I already conceded it can be red hot & it still isn’t Ossur M’doraysa!
“2) The problem of amira leakum is simpler. You cannot tell a goy to do a melacha for you on shabbos.
So as long as it’s not fully cooked, or it’s cold, it would be a definite Issur. etc…”
I said this type of cooking is D’rabbonon!
“3) Health- I mentioned what you said over here already (see right below). Although as DY points out, there is still an Issur of bishul. I pointed that out too. Only if it’s fully cooked AND still not-cold/hot will it be muttar to tell a goy. etc…”
It’s only an Issur D’rabbonon -so Ameira L’acum would be Mutter L’tzorech Godol.
“Nice misquote of what I said. All I mentioned there is that its good that one of the bullys is off the local streets. I never said that I was happy that he’s in jail. And I never said all the sikrikim should be thrown in jail, even though that might bring the geula faster than I can pack my luggages.”
You implied so originally. Only after me calling you out on this -did you do an about face! I got your number -you can’t fool me!
DaasYochid -“That doesn’t address havara.”
It’s the same with Havara -it has to be Dumyea L’mishkon & electricity is Not!
“The fact that R’ Moshe holds a microwave is D’oraiso, despite the fact that they didn’t have them in the mishkan, shows that you have fundamentally misapplied the concept of “dumya d’mishkan”.”
Who said? Maybe R’ Moshe held a microwave is, but not necessarily a different appliance. Perhaps the reason he held so was because the cooking is quite fast similar to a flame! If you want to prove something from a Teshuva -how about copying it and posting it first?
Avi K -“This is the source of the machloket regarding listening to women singers at IDF ceremonies.”
Just so you know – one so-called Rabbi in the IDF saying Mutter and every single other MO Rabbi saying Ossur, doesn’t make it a Machlokes! If it was every MO Rabbi saying one thing and every Charedi Rabbi saying another, then this would be a Machlokes!
moi aussi -“Health, kol haposel bemumo posel, Mr ManipulatOr!”
Wow you floored me! I actually wish I could manipulate s/o here. Almost every poster I encounter here is a Tzioni. I don’t know how people got influenced and by whom, but this guy Avi K is doing a great job of fooling or talking things into guys like you. So tell me -why are you a Tzioni? Did your parents raise you like this? Does the Israeli gov. pay you?
BTguy -“Hi Health.While literally one can quit smoking any time. The implications that at any time it would all good to quit, is not a good recommendation.
Someone does not have forever to quit, so to speak. There is a point where it would be chas veshalom too late.
And telling an addicted person something where they feel they can procrastinate a bit alluding to the point there is “always” time, is misleading and not so correct, and actually feeds into the addicts inclination to postpone quitting.”
I’m actually amazed at your post. You say things I never posted and then you make implications from these words that I never uttered & then you critcize me on these things. Do you do this to e/o or just me???????
Yenta -“NRT (nicotine replacement therapy)”
The latest news is – this doesn’t help. You have to use other methods.
Sam2 -“Health: Your proof is nothing.”
Oh really?
“He meant that why should he listen to the Jewish deity over any other that he believed existed. Kefira is not Avodah Zarah. That’s just not true. We have Perakim in Shas and Simanim in Shulchan Aruch devoted to defining Avodah Zarah. Apikorsus and atheism are entirely separate things. They’re terrible things, yes, but they’re not Avodah Zarah.”
Did you ever hear of Halalu Oivday AZ V’halalu etc.? The answer was Emunah.
So it has to be Emunah is greater than AZ & vice versa Kefira is worse than AZ. If not, Hashem would never have taken them out. Only if the Mitzva is greater would this counter act the Aveira!
Yes they do sell that here.
Avi K – Mr. Manipulater. This guy wasn’t proven (in Bais Din) to have committed any crimes. The fact that he was convicted in a Non-Bais Din does Not constitute a Kol. First go learn the Dinim and then come post. And being part of some group that some members do things wrong -doesn’t make him a guilty man. I’m not saying it’s a good idea to join the Sikrikim, but putting a guy in jail because he was found guilty in an Israeli courtroom is an Injustice acc. to the Torah, no matter how much you try and twist it!
Avi K -You by far are one of the biggest Con men we have posting. I never seen s/o twist things around as much as you!
“1. I have already posted several reasons for being meikal and it has been noted that Rav Ovadia and other rabbanim were personally meikal.”
And Not one of your reasons Holds any water. In other words – nothing you said made any sense!
And I already posted that those Rabbonim that are Meikel for themselves are much different than any soldier. Soldiers will start noticing the singers!
“2. If there a machlokot within the Chareidi camp (which is not just Aguda) why shouldn’t there be within the National Religious camp (which is not just Mizrachi)?”
What are you talking about? What argument regarding singing is there amongst the Charedi camp?
Sam2 -“Health: You can’t just dismiss anyone you disagree with as “totally disregards Halachah”. The IDF Chief Rabbi is a Bar Hachi of having an opinion and is entitled to Pasken how he thinks is right.”
I don’t know if you read all my posts or just some of them or parts of them. The issue here is that Not one MO Rabbi or Mizrachi Rabbi said “Mutter”. Let me give you a Moshul – The Burger King on your corner is a great eatery. All of a sudden a Rabbi says e/o should eat there. You see no change in the place, no Tzetetlach hanging; the same cheeseburgers as before. You don’t have to be Dan this Rabbi L’caf Zecus. He has to explain what he said is true. He would have to say – a group went in -in the middle of the night -Kashered the whole place. Now everything is Glatt and the cheese is fake and a Kashrus sign will be up next week. If he doesn’t explain this -I have no reason to think this is the case. As a matter of fact I would not be allowed to say in this case -“I’m going to eat there because Eid Echad Neeman etc.”
The same thing here -one Rabbi got up and said “Mutter”. If he wants to be taken seriously -he has to explain Why! Since he didn’t – I don’t have to think his opinion is based solely on Halacha. I was trying to come up with other reasons -why he said what he did!
hello99 -“The blind man is truly a lack in the Gavra; however, the blanket covers the Cheftza the same way the casing of the crockpot covers its heating element.
Nice try”
Mine is more than a nice try -it makes sense. But keep trying to Upshlogg -this is fun.
Because some guy -let’s say put a blanket over a fire (not a light bulb) it changes the fire -it’s not a fire anymore? It’s a fire with a blanket over it. The same thing- a light bulb (Sofek Aish) is still a light bulb with a blanket over it. Ma ShehAin Kain a crock pot -this is the way a crock pot is. The covering over the heating element is part & parcel of the crock pot. It’s not just a blanket over it. They don’t make them any differently.
To be able to cook in the crock pot -the way it’s made (meant) to be, you need the pot covering the heating coils. This is part of the Cheftza, not like the blanket! So this is not at all like the Aish they had in the Mishkon!
uneeq -“hello99, DY: It’s clear from here (and other places) that Health has not the slightest clue about hilchos bishul. I’m not even sure how to respond to the unyielding “amaratzus”, without giving a 10 hour introduction course to Hilchos Shabbos.”
Kol Haposel B’momo Poisel. If I’m the Am Haaretz and not you -how come Hello99 & DY are speaking to the issue and not you? Since you ran out what to answer you resort to rank outs. Very mature. Almost as mature as any member of the Sikrikim whom you said that you hope they all are jailed.
Avi K -“Health, you are over on dan bekaf zechut. Are you bochen kelayot velev? As for the former IDF Chief Rabbi’s postition, is this the first time you have encountered a disagreement among rabbanim?”
I’m not Mechuyav to be Dan s/o L’caf Zecus who totally disregards Halacha. Now if there was just a Machlokes between the Charedi camp & the Mizrachi (MO) camp – then you could say “Aylu Vaylu”. But all the opinions from the Mizrachi camp is that this is Ossur Gomor and this guy is the only one who says Mutter for soldiers -I was wondering Why?
AOM – I understand your point, BUT this nationalism, Yishuv Haaretz or whatever -is only after Moshiach comes. Doing it beforehand creates many problems as you can see from these posts alone. This new idea pushes off the coming of Moshiach. “Chodosh Ossur Min Hatorah!”
Oh, now it’s starting to get fun & exciting. How I love the Mechelmta of Torah!
You actually ask good questions and now I can use Lomdus to answer them. Let’s try Cheftza & Gavra. The Issur of Havara would be on the Cheftza and the Chesoron (blind man or blanket that you put there) would be on the Gavra. So since the Cheftza didn’t change -it would be Ossur! On the other hand, a crock pot is made with the heating element covered. I’ve never seen one made differently. So the Chesoron would be on the Cheftza and it would be Mutter!
DaasYochid -“Why do you call an electric element or bulb a sofeik D’oraisa? It’s been accepted by most if not all poskim as aish D’oraisa.”
I just posted this and you did it in your very next post – “Instead of getting blinded by this Poisek or that one -think how similar is the type of cooking to the Meleches Hamishkon.”
Why don’t you read my posts before responding?
How in the world could electricity or electrical cooking be a Vaday D’oraysa? Did they cook like this in the Mishkon?
It can only be a Sofek which has a Din of a D’oraysa!
“Even if it wouldn’t be, the bishul of the cholent would still be D’oraiso.”
Why do you say this -because Rav Moshe says so about a microwave?
What does one thing have to do with another?
“You said a key word in your last post; if a posek says a kulo, it must be “Ousgehaltene”.”
Exactly! And I’m still waiting for you or anyone else to Upshlogg me and Prove my Shittas aren’t Ousgehalten!
Avi K -“Very few are real atheists.”
In those days I doubt it. All the Gedolim said Rav Kook was wrong.
Nowadays most are probably Tinuk Sneshbas.
The problem nowadays is with the “Frum” Tzionim, like the MO’s, Mizrachists and a lot of posters here!
Sam2 -“Health: The Gemara says that “Kol Leitzanusa Assura L’vad Me’avodah Zarah”. It doesn’t say Kefira, just Avodah Zarah.”
Kefira is a type of Avodah Zara! There are many proofs -I’ll just give you one. In Mitzrayim it says Pharoh considered himself a diety. This is AZ. It also says “Mee Hashem Asher Eshmah Lo?” or something like this. Kefira was the root of the AZ there.
Josh31 -“Our Mesorah is to be good citizens even of countries based upon real Avodah Zara (idolatry) such as in the first Exile of Bavel. This Mesorah has been a key to survival of the Torah community.”
Your implication that Charedim aren’t good citizens speaks volumes about your Sinas Chinum towards them. What – you found a few who aren’t perfect because they spit & throw stones? So every Charedi is prime target for you Racists?
The Chassidishe Gatesheader -“I disagree. Even if the Medinah would consist only of Shomer Shabbos people it is still a treife medinah. Why? Because of the sholosh shvuos. A ‘frum state’ would be like kosher pig. Zionism being wrong has absolutely nothing to do with their being seculars. The problem is in the meridah against the umos ha’olam and the dechikas hakeitz, in the aliyah bechomah. If they would all spend 18 hours per day learning Torah and davening their state would still be out of the question. Frum opposition to Zionism has *nothing* to do with Zionism being secular or religious.”
First of all -Not e/o agrees with the Satmar Rebbe.
Second of all -You misconstrued my point! I never said it was Mutter. There is a an Ikkar and a Toful in Yiddishkeit. The Ikkar is Not to be a Koifer!
DY -Am I still winning the race?
Avi K -“There is also an issue of always following the mara d’atra – in this case the IDF Chief Rabbi.”
This IDF Rabbi seems to base his Psak on the PC thing to do. Even the former IDF Chief Rabbi said they shouldn’t force them to be there during the singing!
AinOhdMilvado -“I agree one can do business with goyim, but YOU seem to feel that Tziyonim are WORSE than goyim, that they are the enemies of Torah Jews. If you feel they are SO detestable, and your numerous comments indicate that you DO, you should NOT do business with them any more than you would do business with skinheads or klansmen (who are obviously also worse than stam goyim). Therefore, you should not put yourself in a position (by being in Eretz Yisrael) of having to use the services of the Tziyonim whether you pay for it or not. That goes for EVERYTHING, from the control tower Tziyonim at the airport that enable your plane to land, to the roads you use to get places, to all the other items I mentioned above, not the least of which is the IDF which allows you to stay alive with your throat un-slit. (Certainly you don’t think YOU have greater zechusim for divine protection than the yeshiva students in Chevron in 1929!?!)”
I already posted that might be my personal feeling and I actually haven’t been to EY in quite a long time. But you seemed to skip the part of where I posted that so far No Godol has gone that far.
So right now -I’ll be Mevatel my Daas to the Gedolim who seem to think that Tzionim are no better or worse than Goyim!
“You wrote: “I agree; but where is this Sinah eminating from?????”
Look in the mirror.”
And this I’m proud of! It’s a Mitzva to hate Reshayim like the Tzionim!
Raphael Kaufman -“Health, you seem to have missed an important nekudah of the mashul. You are correct that the bal agala is the main actor, but the horse and wagon are necessary and should also be shown “appreciation” in the form of care and maintenance. Horeses especially are living creatures with enough intelligence to understand extra care, a kind word and a pat on the neck. Soldiers deserve at least as much appreciation as one would give a faithful horse.”
This is true, but who gives this Hakaros Hatov? Not the paying passenger -he just has Hakoras Hatov to the Driver. The driver & bus company reward the horse or bus. The Bnei Torah are the paying passengers.
“Another Item. Without disputing the issue, I take exception to the use of the term “yeharog v’al ya’avor” applied to issurim simply as an exclamation point. Yeharog v’al ya’avor is reserved for the most severe issurim, I.E. the Big Three (or any issurim b’shas hashmad). To apply the term to other issurim which, while serious, don’t really rise to the level of ultimate sacrifice does not so much reinforce the severity of the infraction as it deminishes the value of of that sacrifice. I am ready to lay down my life rather than allow myself to be forced to cross myself, or kill a fellow Jew (such cases actually happened in the Shoah), or commit incest. Should I really be ready to do the same to avoid hearing a woman sing, or use the internet, etc.?”
This wasn’t an exclamation point. You are Ignorant of the Halacha. The Halacha is any derivative of the big 3 Aveiros is also included in the Din of Yeharog V’al Ya’avor. This is called Abizreihu.
So this is why this discussion/argument is very heated.
A lot of posters here hold that women singing is Ossur because it comes from Giluy Arayos and therefore you must allow yourself to be killed rather than hear women sing, esp. for no reason like here. A few hold singing isn’t so bad. The reason we on the other side are very against this is because we don’t feel they mean it -just that they want to join the army and if they agreed that we were right -they would not be able to join for even a simple thing like singing!
Avi K -“Health,
1. An individual soldier will not hear the same singer “all of the time”. He will not even hear singers all of the time. Only here and there when his unit is sent to the ceremony. There is about as much chance of him deloping a friendship with her as there is of someone developing a friendship with one of the Republican contenders by going to a debate.”
What Sheker! If you said this about the Chief Rabbi -I’d probably agree. But a soldier?? He will never see her in the army camp or training somewhere -yea right?! It’s a good possibility he will.
“2. Only rabbanim associated with microscopic groups like the Eida HaChareidit and NK (if they are considered a Jewish group and not a breakaway, heretical sect) assur voting. All of the rest hold that it is a mitzva. Some even support specific parties.”
Wrong again. The Brisker Rov was against it. Go back to sleep!
“3. How is it easier to be frum in America? Everything is according to the Goyish calendar. To get off for Shabbat or Yom Tov you have to put in a special request. You can’t even write the Jewish date on a check. There are no mitzvot taluyot baAretz. Ramban, in fact, states that there are only mitzvot in Tumaland in order to practice for Eretz Yisrael.”
I wasn’t talking about convenience; I was talking about being brainwashed with Heretic philosophies like you are!
hello99 -“Open one up and look as I have. The coil glows red hot, but due to the relatively small size of the coil, it does not get as hot as an electric range.”
I believe you -so let me rephrase. Electricity is Not Aish. If it creates a light (eg. light bulb) you can see -then it’s possible to be Aish -Sofek D’oraysa. It it creates a heat as strong as Aish (fire) -then it’s possible to be Aish -Sofek D’oraysa. These situations are possibly similar to Maveer in the Mishkon.
A Crock Pot does neither; so it’s only Bishul or Aish D’rabbonon.
Since this is the case -Ameira L’acum is Mutter L’tzorech Godol.
A Poisek isn’t s/o who always finds an Issur. A Poisek is s/o who finds an Ousgehaltene Kula. Instead of getting blinded by this Poisek or that one -think how similar is the type of cooking to the Meleches Hamishkon.
You haven’t Upshlogged me yet about Yoshon in America & you haven’t Upshlogged me yet about this, but I’m sure you will keep trying or repeating the same Narishkeit over & over!
uneeq -“There are at least a couple issues at hand-
1) issur bishul of the heating elements
2) issur bishul of the cholent”
True & true. You people are so hyped up everything has to be Ossur -you can’t see clearly!
“You may argue that the heating elements don’t reach the deoraysa -glowing red hot- level, although according to the famous chazon ish, “chatzi shiur m’doraysa” and therefore even if it will never glow its still an Issur deoraysa.”
Acc. to hello99 -it does reach glowing red hot.
“Even if that wasn’t an issue, the cold chulent even if completely cooked would be ossur deoraysa to reheat, because of the Issur of Bishul Achar Bishul Be’Lach (liquids). However, if the chulent is hot, if it isn’t fully cooked yet, there is still the simple Issur of Bishul. As long as something isn’t cooked fully you can be OVER on bishul deoraysa. So no, you wouldn’t be able to tell a goy to turn it on in these scenarios.”
So what? Cooking in the crock pot from the git go isn’t an Issur D’oraysa. See my next post.
Avi K -“If someone has been convicted of violent crimes and the matter is generally known it would seem that he is muchzak barabbim as a rasha.”
Since he wasn’t tried in a Bais Din -he has a Din Kashrus like any other Jew!
apushatayid -“So, is it being argued that this fellow was arrested, found guilty and now jailed on the basis of nothing more than politics or trumped up charges? No evidence, a sham trial and simple bigotry?”
What you don’t understand is that it is irrevelant whether he is guilty or not. Acc. to the Torah (if you believe in it) only a Bais Din has jurisdiction to judge this guy up!
Avi K -“Health,
1. It is only a mitzva to mock and ridicule avoda zara. Nobody holds the Medina is a divinity.”
What and being an Atheist is better than Avodah Zora?
So it’s a Mitzva to mock the Medina -they are a bunch of Kofrim.
“2. Zionism has alsao been supported by gedolim and frum Jews since its inception.”
Most Gedolim Did Not support it!
“3. If you do not want to be part of the solution then you are part of the problem.”
I posted this above, but I guess you don’t read anybody else’s posts:
“Exactly! The difference between me and you is -what is the problem and what is the solution. To me the Medina is the problem and the coming of Moshiach is the solution. You obviously feel the Medina is the solution. How could a Medina based on Kefira be the solution IF you are a Jew who believes in the Torah?”