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rabbiofberlin -“To ‘health’ and all the other Eretz Yisroel deniers, please explain to me the Rambam in hilchos melochim concerning Moshiach (based on the gemara, by the way). If you cannot do that, please give me at least an answer to what i wrote earlier concerning “sholosh shevuos”, showing that it obviously lapsed at the beginning of the second bais hamikdosh.”
You obviously are clueless -the three Shevuos are a minor problem. The main problem is their Kefira and that they don’t keep the Torah!
njsavta -Sorry to hear. I can relate, but mine have nothing to do with the school system (or very little).
But I wonder why do Frum people have a double standard? The Freye/BT person/kid they tell -whatever Mitzva you do is better than none. The FFB person/kid they tell whatever you do Is Not good enough. Since this is what they do -I’m really not surprised that we have so many going OTD!
DaasYochid -“He gave two conditions, neither of which apply here. We have no right to assume that they’re not l’ikuva.”
Yea, but he didn’t say that did he? Did he say that the Yid has to help or that he probably will help? And the employee part -I used a Kal V’chomer. Stop putting words in there that he doesn’t say just to be right!
“I don’t need proof, the reasoning applies perfectly here as well.”
And why is that? Because you say so?!?!?
“Your argument with hello99 is against the Shmiras Shabbos K’hilchoso.”
So what? Any Rov can argue on even Rav Moshe Zt’l, even though most don’t. Are you saying now – no Poisek can argue on the Shmiras Shabbos K’hilchoso?
Avi K -“However, one must refrain from ridiculing and mocking – that is to say attacking the person rather than the action.”
Actually the S’A says it’s a Mitzva to ridicule & mock Kefira!
Josh31 -“Suddenly complete contempt for the existing government has become “frumkeit”.”
Actually Zionism has been attacked by Gedolim & Frum Yidden since its’ conception. By conception -I don’t mean conception of the state, but of the Idea as Israel as a homeland before the coming of Moshiach!
Josh31 -“I cannot imagine any sane rav agreeing to such behavior.”
And I can’t imagine any sane Rov telling people to go to the army & openly supporting the Medina!
Avi K -“Health, if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem.”
Exactly! The difference between me and you is -what is the problem and what is the solution. To me the Medina is the problem and the coming of Moshiach is the solution. You obviously feel the Medina is the solution. How could a Medina based on Kefira be the solution IF you are a Jew who believes in the Torah?
Aries -“On the other hand, the fact that you are making excuses for him and looking for reasons why he is doing this, is another sign of abuse. You almost sound like a victim of Stockholm’s Syndrome.”
I never made excuses for my ex, but a lot of other people did, esp. some of my family. Some people just use anybody in the world to go about with their nefarious plans. My ex was just a victim of these horrible people!
DaasYochid -“We don’t pasken like him.”
The Aruch Hashulchan said you can in certain instances. I found a better instance than the A.H.!
Also having the Yid help -the A.H. just said he might help out -he didn’t say it is L’eecuva!
“Let me clarify what I was addressing. Aside from the issur of havarah in turning on the crockpot, there’s also the issur of bishul – cooking the raw cholent. Even if the crockpot were not considered aish, it would be bishul.
Now, one might argue that if the crockpot were not aish (it is; I’m going l’shitoscho), there would be no bishul D’oraiso, similar to cooking in the sun (which is entirely mutar), or something heated by the sun (toldas hachamah which is assur m’d’rabanon). For this, I brought R’ Moshe’s teshuvah that cooking with a microwave is a D’oraiso, and so would be cooking in a crockpot, even if there were no aish.”
And what I’m telling you is – Rav Moshe is a Chiddush regarding cooking in a microwave -you have no proof to apply this elsewhere.
To be a D’oraisa it has to be similar to Meleches Hamishkon -cooking in a crock pot ISN’T similar!
hello99 -“Health: a crock pot has a heating element that glows red hot and is certainly an Issur d’Oraisa. Therefore, there is no Heter whatsoever to tell a Goy to turn it on.”
Who says it gets red hot? I highly doubt that kind of heat from a crock pot or a hot plate. It’s almost impossible what you say because a burner cooks something real quick as opposed to a crock pot or hot plate which takes hours.
lesschumras -“Health,you didn’t answer my question..who passed the law that funds Torah education? Regardless of why, did the evil Zionists grant deferments?”
What’s your point? E/o knows the Knesset passes the laws. They didn’t pass these laws because they are Tzadikim -they did it as any business deal. The Frumme gave them something they wanted and in exchange they gave the Frumme something they wanted. You don’t have to have any Hakoras Hatov for this, unless when you go into a store to buy something you fall all over the store owner thanking him for allowing you to purchase something by him!
ARWSF – You made the right move by calling and getting in touch with a Rov and STF. But this is a very minute beginning. Either call the Rov or STF again and get names of therapists and psychiatrists and let them get you an immediate appt. If not tomorrow, they should be able to get you in sometime this week.
Don’t go back to the psychiatrist that you got into a fight with, go to s/o new. You need to start fresh!
The Chassidishe Gatesheader -Thank you!
“I never read “Perfidy”,”
I never have read it from cover to cover either, but I have seen parts.
It’s not people like us that need to read these Seforim/books, it’s the people who are drinking the Tzioni (Zionist) Kool Aid that need to!
uneeq -“I mentioned what you said over here already (see right below). Although as DY points out, there is still an Issur of bishul. I pointed that out too. Only if it’s fully cooked AND still not-cold/hot will it be muttar to tell a goy.”
No, it doesn’t have to be fully cooked and it could be cold!
“The problem of amira leakum is simpler. You cannot tell a goy to do a melacha for you on shabbos.
So as long as it’s not fully cooked, or it’s cold, it would be a definite Issur. I’m assuming that you can get around the amira leakum problem, though. If the chulent is fully cooked and gets turned off in middle of shabbos, if it’s still piping hot, or according to ashkenazim, not cold yet, a goy would probably be able to put turn it back on (trei derabanan letzorach mitzva).”
Turning on or cooking in the crock pot is only a D’rabbonon and Ameira L’acum is Mutter Letzorech Godol!
DaasYochid -“Health,
The Aruch Hashulchan is only matir if it’s an employee, and one of the factors is that a Jew will likely aid in the cooking, which certainly can’t be said in this case.”
The Rishon who this comes from is not Mechalek. Also, the Jew helped by making the Chulent and putting it in the crockpot.
And there is a Kal V’chomer -If an employee is Mutter because you won’t get close to him because he is getting paid, for sure some stranger off the street whom you won’t probably ever see again -you won’t get close to.
“I don’t know who your rov is or what his sources might be; the Shmiras Shabbos K’hilchoso clearly includes an elictric hot plate in the category of “aish”, and the IG”M holds that even a microwave can produce bishul D’oraiso, so even were we to find a source that a covered element is not aish, according to the IG”M it would still be bishul D’oraiso.”
Please don’t bring Rayos from other things. It (crock pot) might be similar to a hot plate, but in No way is it similar to a microwave.
uneeq -“As you can tell, I am only assuming for arguments sake (since I don’t have evidence on hand to prove to others) that he isn’t a criminal.”
Very good -this is called being Dan L’caf Zecus.
“Again, good riddance can mean that I am happy that he’s away and the problem is partially solved. Not necessarily that I’m happy that he’s in prison.”
It could mean that, but noone has to assume that. A person is Not allowed to do Maras Ayin. If an article comes out saying s/o was put in jail and then s/o says “Good Riddance”, it is upto the poster or article writer to explain their words. So YWN should issue an explanation on their headline!
ill_be_strong – Actually I’m not going to research it for you because it’s time consuming. Take a C.C. and start from the beginning and you’ll know what I’m saying is true.
I’ve learned C.C. umteen times over many years and this basic I know. But, No I haven’t memorized the whole Sefer to know exactly where it is! Seek and you shall find!
Avi K -“Health, this is not gilui arayot. According to some opinions it is even muttar lechatchila as I have posted several times. Therefore, it is totally appropriate for a rav to be meikal if he feels that the situation warrants.”
For s/o like the Chief Rabbi who only has to endure this sometime, I’d agree. The soldiers that have to hear this all the time will start becoming friendly to the singers. This is why it is Ossur for Soldiers & it is Yahrog V’al Yavor, because one thing will lead to another. I’m sorry that you are so warped up with your Tzionis (Zionism), that you you can’t see the obvious!
“but do not become citizens and vote as wel as those who choose not to come because of their love of Galut (= chet hameraglim).”
It is Ossur to become citizens & to vote acc. to many Gedolim!
Sometimes people don’t move there because it’s easier to be a Frum Jew here in the US! You can move there and people like you can brainwash you and your kids to become Krum!
Raphael Kaufman -“Health, I liked your mashul, but surely the wagon driver needed the horse and wagon. He couldn’t have carried the fugitive to safety on his own back. Likewise, the zechusim of the lomdei Torah alone cannot defend Klal Yisroel. Klal Yisroel needs an army that the zechusim of the lomdei Torah can be mechazeik to be victorious.”
So what? I just addressed this point to AinOhdMilvado!
zahavasdad -“The Torah allowed Soliders to marry a non-jewish female captive “
So what? Did the Torah all of a sudden Matter Jewish Niddos?
Speak to what is happenning now, today in the IDF!
“(Ivri Cananan ? I forgot the exact Hebrew term)”
Look it up. You do own a Chumash (Hebrew Bible), don’t you???
AinOhdMilvado -“Perhaps you remember the little incident of the Chevron massacre, where dozens of FRUM Jews were slaughtered by the yishmaeli savages BEFORE there was a Tziyoni state, slaughtered as they sat learning in the beis medrash!!!”
That incident is a direct result of the Tzionim starting their campaign to take over Palestine. Did such an incident ever occur under the Turks? Whatever you’re smoking -can I have some?
“Yes tzadik, HaSh-m protects us, BUT to count on that protection alone, in today’s Middle East, would be to be somaiych al ha’nais, which of course we are NOT supposed to do. Therefore, as I said above, in today’s pre-mashiach world, EVERY Jew in Eretz Yisrael needs the IDF if he/she wants to be able to wake up in the morning.”
Yea, they need the IDF the same way the wagon driver needs the wagon & the horse, the same way the bus driver needs the bus, but do you have Hakoras Hatov to the driver or to the horse?!?!
“By the way, the fact that people are paying water and electricity bills does not change the fact they are USING the infrastructure of the ZIONIST state. If I hated the state, I would NOT want to be USING them EVEN if (or especially if) I was paying them.”
Now you are saying that the Tzionim are worse than Goyim who worship the stars. It could be, but no Godol has yet said that they are. If you don’t know -paying for a service is called business and you are allowed to do business even with Goyim – even if the Goyim created the infrastructure.
“And by the way, where did YOU learn to be calling people you don’t know at all “krum”?!? I suppose anyone who does not agree with “R’ Health” is “krum”.”
This has nothing to do with me! Anybody who defends the Medina of Kefira is KRUM!!!
“Asarah b’Teves and so much sinas chinam – very sad.”
I agree; but where is this Sinah eminating from?????
Avi K -“The State of Israel is a fact. Make aliya, become a citizen and at least vote for change.”
Hopefully this fact of having this Treif Medina will end soon with the coming of Moshiach!
And even if you live there -you aren’t allowed to vote.
To all who haven’t been brainwashed with the Tzioni garbage, I recommend a book called “Perfidy”, to learn the truth about the Zionists & the Holocaust!
lesschumras -“Heath how much Torah education did the Turks fund?”
This is such a funny comment because all the MO’s here are constantly calling on Israel to stop funding for Yeshivos and you’re now using it to defend the Tzionim???
They only fund Yeshivos because this is in the law right now!
“Why do the evil tzionim grant army exemptions to Chareidim instead of making army service mandatory for everybody?”
Are you talking about deference on army service for Yeshiva Bochurim? Again this was one of the stipulations that was ironed out with the Frumme during the creation of the state.
ARWSF – My first and only recommendation is to get professional help. Shalom Task Force is a fine option, although they aren’t the only professionals out there. I know you are scared, but your situation needs intervention. Please do Not listen to any advice posted here or anywhere else, besides to seek professional help!
Even if the posters here are mental health professionals -you need s/o with hands on to deal with this.
I know what’s going through your mind -“this is the end of my life, my marriage, etc.” This is most likely Not the case. Early intervention can stop & fix the situation. Of course there are no guarantees, but this is what you must do for #1 your kids & #2 yourself. Getting the help your family needs Cannot & Will not make the situation worse!
DaasYochid -“We don’t pasken like him (R’ Avraham, brought in Tos’ in Chullin), and you’d have to bring proof that we can be soimech b’dieved on a shittah we don’t pasken like.”
Aruch Hashulchan!
“It’s D’oraisoh. The bishul is the same, and even turning on the crockpot is a d’Oraisoh since most poskim consider a heating element to be aish.”
My Rov told me that a Crock Pot isn’t like Aish -only like electricity.
Name the most Poskim that argue (by crock pot, not electric stove.):
ill_be_strong –
To be honest -I don’t know where this Rabbeynu Yona is, but it doesn’t really matter. Even if you are correct and he does say what he you say he says -this doesn’t change the Halacha.
The C.C. says that the listener has to know whom you are talking about to be considered L.H., not the way you misconstrue it.
All this R. Yona can do is make it a Mussar Deherr, not a Halacha!
So I’ll repeat it again, lest anyone starts believing your nonsense -in order for it to be L.H. or Rechilous you have to know who the individual or group is – that the guy is talking about!!!
BTGuy -“Hi Health.”
I asked you to stop the Hi.
“If you are as well versed in loshon hora as you claim, then you should be familiar with the safeguard of protective fences as being very liberal and covering a lot of ground.
Is it within the parameters of shmiras haloshon to want to be careful about speaking about someone who is anonymous to you? Absolutely!”
I honestly don’t what you’re saying here. Making a fence by the Issur of L.H. -is at most a Chumra. He was talking about Halacha.
He quoted something that he said was Ossur and IT Isn’t!
uneeq -It wouldn’t be a problem even if it wasn’t cooked at all. There is a Rishon that holds -A goy cooking in a Jew’s house there is no problem of Bishul A’cum. So B’dieved in such a case you can be Someiach on this Shitta!
There also isn’t a problem of Ameiras L’acum because Cholent is the main course. So to have a Cholent on Shabbos in a crock pot (where cooking is only M’drabbonon because of electricity) would be a Tzorech Godol -where Ameira L’acum is Mutter by an Issur D’rabbonon.
uneeq -“Do I want them thrown in jail for parading? Certainly not.
Am I happy that he’s in jail? Well, if there’s no evidence against him, then not particularly.
tldr; I’m happy he’s off the streets, not necessarily happy that he’s in prison”
So it took me three posts to get you to admit the truth, even though you didn’t apologize. Now YWN can do the same and admit their mistake and they should also apologize!
Avi K -You didn’t answer the question! What made this Mufti all of a sudden an Antisemite -if it wasn’t the Tzionim?!?!?!?
And any Mitzva to conquer anything would and has to be under Torah Auspices. Sorry the Koifer Tzionim don’t cut it!
tahini -“Health, Jews living in Arab lands always had the status of a dhimmi, a second class citizen. Financially and educationally Jews flourised in arab lands, for most of the time they were left in peace compared to Europe’s Ashkenazim, but they also from time to time endured persecution and programs, the Iraqi Farhud of 1941 is a middle-eastern example of Kristlenacht carried out by Muslims. Meshadi Persians Jews are examples of devout Jews who carried on their beliefs inspite of attempts to convert them, I recall a frum relative as a child who had two names, Haji( as in Muslim pilgrim) and Mordecai!”
I was talking about living in Palestine under Turkish rule. They might have been second class citizens, but there wasn’t the constant bloodshed you have now in Medinat Israel!
Stop drinking the Kool-Aid that we are better off now that the Tzionim took over!
Tell me the percentage of Jews that died under Turkish rule and compare it to the percentage now under the Tzionim!
BT guy- Sorry for being Choshet you, but there are a lot of even “Frum” people who put their liberal Shittos before the Torah.
They want to change Shechita & Mila from the way it’s been done for thousands of years!
uneeq -“Health- Assuming, arguendo, that he wasn’t violent any of those vicious attacks, he is/was still a member of the sikrikim. The same group that definitely has reshaim involved (see youtube-Meah Shearim Terror Sikrikim Break Store Glass Door, and I’m sure there’s others). Being a member of their clan and violent demonstrations is directly colluding with reshaim, helping the evil continue their crimes against humanity and desecration of Hashem’s name. Oy lerasha, oy leshcheno. We need less of these type of people on the streets. So yes, good riddance.”
Assuming, arguendo, that he is/was still a member of the sikrikim and he is Oiver Oy L’resha Oy L’schaino -what gives anybody a right to put him in jail for this? At most it’s a Bain Odom L’mokom – are you and the Tzionim G-d?
You have a lot more Sinas Chinum than these Sikrikim!!!!!
Avi K -“Popa, anything which is needed for the morale of the troops is part of pikuach nefesh.”
And if you believe this one – I have a bridge to sell you!
This is whole reason they even have women in the army -they say it’s good for morale. It’s not for their army strength. That’s why the Gedolim Paskened it’s Yahrog V’al Yavor.
Avi -Did you ever learn that things like Giloy Arayos are not allowed to be Oiver even if it’s “Pikuach Nefesh”?
So something like singing isn’t a stand alone, it’s to promote Kurva between the two genders -to lead to more Chumradik Aveiros, because that’s the whole reason they are even taken as soldiers!
Feif Un -“Health: the story you said with R’ Shach goes against what you said earlier. You claimed the soldiers do nothing, and it’s only the people learning who protect Israel. R’ Shach said there are two fronts, one on the battlefield, and one in the beis medrash. Yes, both are needed. The soldiers are just as necessary as the guys learning, and we need to appreciate both.”
Excuse me -there is no contradiction!
I’ll give you a Moshul (Parable -for those who don’t understand Hebrew) -There was once a guy who needed desperately to leave town because over there people were looking to kill him Ch’vs -so he hired a wagon with a driver. The wagon got him safely to a different place. He was so happy -he kissed & hugged the driver besides paying him & giving him a big tip.
Acc. to your train of thought – he should have given the money to the wagon itself and the horse.
Similarly here – the army is just the wagon & the horse.
The driver is Hashem. What makes Hashem (the driver) tell the horse & wagon where to go? It’s the Zechusim of Klal Yisroel. They have these many Zechusim because of the Bnei Torah learning Torah. So the only ones that get Hakoras Hatov are the Bnei Torah!
Unless you tell me when you travel somewhere, eg. by bus, you put the money in the windshield and hug the bus and don’t pay the driver!
AinOhdMilvado -“In my humble opinion, if someone is really and truly so anti-Zionist, they should not use anything from the ‘terrible’ Tziyonim”.”
I agree, but not every Godol said it was Ossur!
“When I say ANYTHING, I mean the majority of the country’s infrastructure, i.e. highways, electical system, water system, phone system, etc.”
And they do this all for free? There is no such a thing as an electric bill or a phone bill, etc. in EY?
“Most certainly they should NOT make use of the I.D.F. which they so malign and detest. What do I mean by “make use of the I.D.F.”? Simply, they should not BE in Eretz Yisrael. Why not? For the simple reason, that since Mashiach has not yet arrived, the fact is that without the I.D.F. EVERY JEW in Eretz Yisrael from the most secular to the most ‘ultra-chareidi’ would be slaughtered by the yishmaelim! Thus, just to be ALIVE one is making use of the Tziyoni I.D.F.”
An absolute lie. Hashem protects us, not the Tziyonim!
Did you ever learn Torah -like Chumash?
It was our Army that destroyed the Egyptians, not Hashem.
It was Avrohom Aveinu’s army that destroyed the kings he was fighting against, not Hashem. The last two lines are your version.
My version everbody else knows!
“Of course, this is just my personal opinion, – I would not want to get ‘ha’na’ah’ from someone I detest. If one now lives in (PRE-Mashiach)Eretz Yisrael, they ARE, de-facto, getting benefit from the I.D.F.”
Actually it’s the Freye who are still alive because of all the Zecusim of the Frumme, esp. the guys whom learn Torah all day!
So the Freye have to have Hakoras Hatov to the Bnei Torah!
Where did you learn how to be so Krum???
AinOhdMilvado -“Regardless of your points, (which ARE true) the fact remains that in todays’s world, (without mashiach being here) without the IDF, every Jew, Chareidi and frei, would be exterminated.
Thus the very lives of the anti-Zionist chareidim are dependent on the existence of a Jewish army. If they don’t want to join the IDF, they have that choice, but a little hakaras hatov for being able to wake up in the morning (to protest the ‘medina’) is still an obligation”
Total absolute lies -Read my post to Emmuna 613!
Avi K -“1. Which gedolim? You remind me of the pashkavillim wroiters who sign “harabbanim shelita”. Which rav? The erev rav? Harav im kulam?”
ALL the Gedolim esp. the Chofetz Chaim and all the others you mentioned! BTW, did you ever hear of the Satmar Rebbe and the Brisker Rov?
“2. Learn Tanach – unless your “gedolim” have banned it as Zionistic. David had an army. Learn Gemara. Just as Yoav needed David, David needed Yoav (Sanhedrin 49a)”
There is nothing wrong with a country having an army, but there is something wrong with Jews(?) making a country based on Kefira!
“3. I doubt very much that Rav Shach stood up just because he liked his grandson. He stood up davka when he was in uniform – he stood up for the uniform.”
Naarish -I just told you a story that an army guy told me -he had absolutely no more respect for him than any other Jew who came to him!
“4. Is it also assur to have dealings with the Medina in order to take or just to give?”
Just to give, but actually the Brisker Rov & probably the Satmar Rebbe held it’s also Ossur to take!
“5. Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (I presume thaty ou have heard of him) used to go to Har Herzl to visit kivrei tzaddikim.”
Maybe he went to see Rav Kook’s Kever -I’m sure it wasn’t to see Teddy Hertzl!
“He was very machmir that one should violate Shabbat to make things easier for combat soldiers in wartime.”
So what? Are you trying to tell me if men have to listen to women sing it’s equal to doing things because of Sakana Nefoshos?
The only Sakana Nefoshos there is -the women will scream, kick and shoot at anyone who doesn’t want to listen to them!
ill_be_strong -“In the Yiddish Chofetz Chaim (red cover), its page 129 (Hilchas LH, Klal 3). He says (not quoting word for word):
LH is Assur even the words won’t lead to damage (in whichever from), either because a)the listeners didn’t believe b)the listeners “didn’t get who’s being discussed”. In short, the persons identity is not revealed. He then brings down a Rbainu Yona which explains the concept in details.”
I knew you were making a mistake, but I looked it up anyway (to be sure).
What the C.C. says is that you can’t speak about anyone even if no harm will come to that person. Eg. they aren’t Mekabel what you say.
Of course if you don’t mention a name or a group -IT IS NOT L.S. You have misconstrued the C.C.
I learnt C.C. many times over many years. This is what L.H. or Rechilos is -the party being spoken about -either you mentioned their name or e/o can figure out whom it is -if they wanted to!
cinderella -“ill_be_strong, How in the world is it Lashon hara to tell a story about someone you don’t know? You don’t even know me. And it’s not like I was talking about a specific group of people. Or a specific place.”
Since you didn’t mention the name of the person or a name of a group and noone can figure it out -IT’s NOT L.H.!
cleverjewishpun -“I made the choices I made because there was no room for me in the community and the huge sacrifices I made being frum no longer seemed worth it.
I just didnt see the need to keep up apperences if everyone around me already thought the worst of me.”
Let me ask you a question -Do you have kids? Do you want them to be Frum? Do you want them to suffer Forever? You are setting an example for them.
Even if you don’t, I’m more or less in the same place that you are/where -ya know divorce, loneliness, etc. E/o also thinks the worse of me, but you know what I said to myself -“that’s their problem”. Some people have the need to constantly bash others. IMHO, these are the ones Not Frum. Before my divorce -I cared a lot about others’ opinions -Now I don’t -I (try to) only care about Hashem’s opinion. In reality -that’s all that matters. People are so scared what others will think about them, but Hashem’s opinion – not that much. That’s why there are lot more Ganavim, then Gazlonim, esp. in the Frum community. I never heard of a Frum bank robber! By not having to listen to as many rank outs as I used to when I was married, my self-esteem has grown tremendously. Your value is Not dependent on others’ opinions!
HaLeiVi -“The reason I’m saying that it was consistently harsh under Arab rule is a response to what you say that it would have been fine to live under them, in Eretz Yisroel.
By the way, do you really think Israelis are less safe now, in Eretz Yisroel, than they were in Syria, Iraq, Egypt, or Russia and Poland?”
Excuse me, there was No Syria & Iraq. There was Turkey. And it would have been much better to live under them then these Zionists. As matter of fact, until this recent episode of Israel & the blockade -Turkey was even an ally of Israel!
Avi K -“Sushe, the Zionists di not radicalize the Arabs. In fact, just after the Balfour Declaration the Emir Faisal met witrh Chaim Weizman and expressed support for Zionism from an Islamic perspective similar to what Fundamentalists are saying today although without statements about converting us chas veshalom. The radicalization was carried out by the Mufti of Yerushalayim ym”s, whjo was an admirer of yemach shemo in Germany and had delusions of reestablishing the Caliphate (under his rule, of course). Thus, in Tarpat the Arabs massacred non-Zionist Tora learners in Chevron. The mob included those with whom the Jews had long-standing good personal relations.”
What hypocrisy!!!!! Tell me what religion was the Mufti? Was he perhaps a Muslim???? Why perhaps did this Mufti all of a sudden hate Jews? Maybe it had something to do with certain Jews wanting a state of their own??!?!?!
soliek -It’s not a matter of money, but of time. Helping s/o medically with addiction issues is Not – here take this med and see you next year. It’s very involved.
I posted here 8 months ago on page 2 -I’m for Gingrich.
I have nothing against Santorum, but I don’t think he can win the Republican Primary or the Presidency.
I think it will be either Gingrich or Romney for the Republican candidate.
If Romney wins, I don’t think he can beat Obama. And even if he does -he won’t do any better job than Obama. Gingrich has what it takes to tackle this horrible economy and make a dent in it!