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Hey shlump – Who says they are infected? Maybe it’s an allergic reaction?
If most things just went away by themselves -we wouldn’t need med. professionals. Unfortunately they don’t -9 times out of 10 they get worse. So go see a medical professional.
soliek -“The protest is against violations of actual halacha, not chumra.”
“such as?”
Such as women taking their kid to school and not dressed the least bit Tzinus. Read my posts under 8 year old etc…!
soliek -“and the only thing he apologizes for is for doing an interview on TV and the only peopel to whom he apologizes ARE THE MEMBERS OF HIS OWN COMMUNITY, that sends a terrible message and makes our allies think twice about supporting us.”
I’m all for peace and condenming the actions of a few Charedim, but only if it’s reciprocated. All the Freye do is incite more and more hatred against Charedim. It’s not discrimination to have private buses that are separated. It’s not discrimination to not have to see Pritzus in their own neighborhood in Bet Shemesh. This isn’t pre-war Germany where we have to beg for forgiveness. It is discrimination Not to hire s/o who won’t work on Shabbos. This goes on here in the US & in Israel. Just like the world has no idea what Marriage is anymore -they think it’s also between the same gender, they also have no idea what discrimination is! Where are all these Rabbis decrying the discrimination against Shabbos observers? Or is it they only don’t like bad publicity from the Goyim in this world? All of a sudden people are outraged about a few dressed as Holocaust Prisoners. If you care about right & wrong -where is the outrage about Religious employment discrimination?
Ctrl Del Alt -Another disparaging comment from the genius him/herself. How in the world do you think of these things? Do you do this with medicine too? Yes, Yeshivos hate anyone & e/o who support them -definitely!
And in EY -when are you people going to wake up? It’s not the NK, Satmar, Brisk taking money from the Tzionim -so they couldn’t wish for better scenario than you said!
Hey Yechezkel -Are you reading the posts or are you just defending them? I agree with Mexipal -the bashing of Charedim here is non-stop and truly unbelievable!
goldemkint – Purpose of protests – There is a reason and s/o needs to start a topic about it.
“they can move to a complete closed community and build tall walls and not have to see anyone different if they so choose.”
And what do you think Meah Shearim is? They just won’t leave the Charedim alone!
“but the dat leumi community was in existence when they purchased their homes.”
The only reason they agreed to have the school originally there because they were told it would be a boys school. They never agreed to have a girls school next to their neighborhood.
“and according to the video i saw they just stand around waiting for people to pass by so they can harrass them.”
Ridiculous -they are taking a recess from the learning in the Yeshiva.
Avram in MD -“Health,
This [why men who supposedly care about shemiras einayim would congregate around a girls school with improperly dressed girls/parents for any reason -recap mine] is a logical question. But I’ve posted here a few times -there is a reason and s/o should start a topic about it.
Please, provide me a reason. I cannot think of any.”
A few feet down isn’t a new topic!
“Noone here defended the spitter.
I don’t know what you are talking about -name s/o who is afraid to condemn it?”
“You.”
LIAR!!!!!
“Example:
Not defending the spitter, but his spitting was a reaction to the provocation.
This is a defense of the spitter… providing a justification. Your adding “not defending the spitter” to this defense of the spitter does nothing but make an oxymoron. Like when the P.A. says, “oh, we condemn suicide bombings, but the suicide bombers are just reacting to Israeli oppression…” No, the spitting was not a reaction to any provocation. It was an act of abuse, an assault, pure and simple.”
This I just posted -“Explaining why s/o reacted the way he did is Not necessarily defending his behavior. And in this case, I said clearly what I hold.” This isn’t a justification either -it’s an explanation. Too bad your sick Sinas Chinum doesn’t let you see the truth in regards to Charedim!
“You are starting to sound like the Freye or MO haters.
I’m not afraid of your threatened labels.”
So I’ll take this response as an Yes, I do hate Charedim!
But are you Frei or MO?
“As a Jewish male who cares about guarding my eyes, this was a crime that was committed in my name, in my defense! So yes, I or my leaders have a responsibility to speak out.”
This is the best one yet. They did it for YOU? Do you think you are G-d???? For your name? For your defense?
“If someone heaven forbid killed a motorist and told the police that he did it so that “Avram in MD” would have a quicker commute, you’d better bet that I’d condemn it!”
Most people would say -“Don’t bother me with some lunatic’s drivel”. Unless you’re feeling guilty. People don’t defend any accusation hurled at them, unless they have some guilt for whatever occured!
“Does Every Single MO or settler condemn publically the desecration & burning of Mosques and attack on soldiers?
The Yesha Council and Im Tirtzu, among other prominent officials in that movement did unequivocally condemn the violence.”
You didn’t answer the question! I asked -Did Every Single one condemn it?
apushatayid -“Health, you keep claiming the woman’s hair was uncovered. I understand you can’t post a link to such a picture even if you had one, however, every single video about the story in this thread shows a woman who is properly covered. There really is no point in going round and round here. It is what is already going on in RBS.”
The picture was in another Frum website, in like the first article on this.
Since then she wisened up or s/o wisened her up. “Make it look like you did nothing wrong – No provocation -so it’s only the Charedims’ fault for this whole incident. You are perfectly innocent.”
And you fall for her new Tzinus look. She knows the cameras are rolling. It’s like going to Manhattan to watch the ball drop and saying – “Wow, e/o in NYC dresses Tzinus”.
Only an idiot would say that because if you go to Times Square in July, you’ll find most people Don’t dress Tzinus!
mikehall- “Health…I caught that you didn’t say a “boring work day”….figures I know your probably allergic to an honest day of work”
What hypocrisy!! You spending time on YWN when you are supposed to be working is dishonest and stealing from your boss.
Unless you work for yourself and instead of helping out your employees with their work, you overwork them so you can play in the CR!
BTGuy -“Hi Health.”
Stop with Hi -I don’t know you that you have to greet me -so it’s annoying.
“You say, “Not defending the spitter, but his spitting was a reaction to the provocation. Yes, they shouldnt start up with bringing their kids to school with them not dressing properly!”
Whoa!! I want to avoid a whole schmear of verbiage between us, so just answer me this, if you dont mind:
You said that spitting is bad and that you are “not defending the spitter”. Do you really think no one will see any semblance of a defense for the spitter in your above quoted statement????”
I’m not interested what’s going on in your mind or anyone elses.
You claim to be knowledable in the English language. Explaining why s/o reacted the way he did is Not necessarily defending his behavior. And in this case, I said clearly what I hold.
“I believe you see a point to both sides. I have to add, though, that even if the girl came to school dressed in shorts, one would have to be a complete idiot to spit at that child in the name of Torah.”
So what? And do you think the mother isn’t responsible for provoking such a response -whether it’s shorts or a different Untzinus dress?
“As individuals, we all have a need to correct ourselves. Sometimes as a community that may be the case too.”
Sorry, now you sound like all the MO haters. I don’t believe in collective blame!
GAW -“Nur so gewinnen wir den Lebensraum, den wir brauchen. Wer redet heute noch von der Vernichtung der Armenier?”
Sorry I speak Yiddish, not German -translate.
goldenkint -“if it was about Torah and Torah values the hoooligans in bet shemesh would be sitting in beis medrash. and their wives would be starting joint bikur cholim and chessed organizations with their neighbors to be mekarev them if they so chose. its all a big bluff. i know so many chassidshe andchareidi families that are mekarev and host people even if their hair isn’t covered the way they hold. and it is mekarev!”
And who says they don’t do all of this?
“you catch more bees with honey than with vinegar.”
That’s your mistake; they aren’t doing this to Mekarev anyone.
That isn’t the purpose of the protests!
tahini -You’re living in some dream world. I never realized the hatred the MO’s had to the Charedim, till now. Even I’m shocked at some of these posts. Eg. People calling s/o who spit -a pedophile. Sorry, this comes from deep down baseless hatred!
The Wolf -“OK, I’ve asked Eees. She has no problems with women learning belly-dancing to be used in the privacy of their homes with their husbands (if taught in an all-female class).
Now, please answer my question as you agreed. Is this a problem for you?”
That wasn’t the question. Ask her if she doesn’t think there is a problem to learn belly-dancing just for exercise (all female class), nothing to do with the husband?
Then we will discuss.
BTGuy -” Hi Health.
You are wrong again.
(it’s so much easier this way) lol
Zzzz Zzzz Zzzz
Hi BT.
You are wrong again.
(it’s so much easier this way) lol
Yawn. (:p
GAW – I like PM Bibi’s idea -make two towns.
Definitely at the very least if they can’t dress Tzinusdik while bringing the kids to school, they should move the school!
goldenkint -“health. why do you assume if someone is pained and embarrassed by the strife going on in klal yisrael ,specifically with the incident of he spitting in beit shemesh that they don’t care about the chilul shabbos or lack of tznius etc. i am pained by all of the above.”
I didn’t assume – I asked a question. I just said that I got an inner feeling that they don’t, but I didn’t assume either way.
BTGuy -“Hi Health.
You are so wrong.
lol”
Hi BT.
You are so wrong.
lol (:p
Wolf -“Why not? And she can dance for her husband in the privacy of their own home. Or is that a problem for you as well?”
I won’t respond to you until you ask EEES (your wife) her opinion about Frum women belly-dancing! Then we will discuss it.
apushatayid & zahavasdad -“pervert”
“The proper term for grown men hanging around a girls elementary school.
If this didnt involve charedim and someone was stalking out 8 year old girls, They would be called pedaphiles.”
I guess acc. to your logic I shouldn’t have used the word “vigilante” when referring to ones who attack Soldiers and desecrate & burn Mosques. They should be referred to as “MO Murderers or Terrorists”. Because with their violence they could have easily murdered s/o; much more than s/o who spits and protests Tzinus can come to Pedophilia!
apushatayid -“Exactly how much hair is “uncovered”, Rav Falk, who by many accounts follows the most stringent opinion at all times, writes the following….
The question, I guess, boils down to who or what established/establishes minhag hamakom? Is minhag hamakom like Rav Moshe, or like the Poskim Rav Falk relies on (I dont remember who he quotes).”
In this case it doesn’t matter, the MO’s here (Bet Shemesh) don’t keep the Din acc. to either!
mikehall -“Health…why do you feel the constant need to trample on MO? It’s clear you don’t agree with their philosophy, but there is no need to continuously bash, especially when the great majority of what you say shows that you are clearly misinformed and lack any basic understanding…”
Mike…why do you feel the constant need to trample on Charedim? It’s clear you don’t agree with their philosophy, but there is no need to continuously bash, especially when the great majority of what you say shows that you are clearly misinformed and lack any basic understanding…!
“And how did MO get brought into this discussion anyway? What does MO have to do with a man spitting on an 8yr old girl? Are you claiming that because the child is MO it was justified? (eventhough there is no indication the child was MO, not that it should matter).”
The child comes from the MO community. Sorry that you don’t have the time to read that part in the news. And who ever claimed that the spitting was justified?
“Is it because the spitter is Charedi, then according to you he was automatically in the right and the girl and her family brought this on herself?
Because, this is what it sounds like…”
Not defending the spitter, but his spitting was a reaction to the provocation. Yes, they shouldn’t start up with bringing their kids to school with them not dressing properly!
“Anyhow; keep up with your nonsensical posts, they provide me with great amusement during an otherwise boring work day.”
Anyhow; keep up with your nonsensical, spiteful, hateful posts, they provide me with great amusement during an otherwise boring day!
Avram in MD -“Why are these protesters even there? If what “Health” says is true, that they can see immodestly dressed women from their windows due to this school, how on earth can they justify running up to the school to get a closer look (while yelling at them of course)? The men would stay as far away from the school as they could, choosing instead to complain through other channels. My wife would never want me to place myself in a situation where it would be certain that I would see pritzus.”
This is a logical question. But I’ve posted here a few times -there is a reason and s/o should start a topic about it.
“Now for the spitting. Some (or one) here have attempted to say, “the MO started it, so they have the blame for inflaming the crazies.” Excuse me? That’s an argument little children use. Real adults take responsibility for their actions, no matter what instigated the situation. If I assault a guy who cut me off in traffic, do you think the cops will excuse me if I said, “but he started it, he had it coming! He shoulda known that there are crazy people around!” Another argument made here to defend these men is “maybe the children are dressed ok, but the problem is the mothers walking the children to school are immodest…” Well then, why was it the 8-year old girl who got spit on? Did the monster miss the mother and hit the girl by mistake? Maybe he was accidentally facing children when hurling epithets and meant to face the mothers? I don’t think so.”
Excuse me? Noone here defended the spitter. The only thing that was the defended was the protests! You don’t seem to be able to differentiate. Very sad! So this last diatribe is a storm in a tea cup!
“Unfortunately we do have a tznius problem, and I think some people here are afraid that if they fully condemned the spitter, they would somehow be yielding ground in their argument.”
I don’t know what you are talking about -name s/o who is afraid to condemn it? You are starting to sound like the Freye or MO haters. Every single Charedi must proclaim from the rooftops and scream we are against spitting or we all are complicit with the spitters.
Typical double standard! Does Every Single MO or settler condemn publically the desecration & burning of Mosques and attack on soldiers? Does Every Single Freye Jew (Chiloni) condenm the crimes that occur daily amongst them?
BTGuy -“Sooooo….is it safe to say that we both think what happened to this girl was a bad thing and this is newsworthy and an embarrassment to Jews?”
Getting spit on is a bad thing. Why do you make me repeat things a hundred times? I hate to say it but you must have a comprehension problem!
Now is it Newsworthy? Well if after the Israeli media finish discussing in gory detail all the crimes that occur on a daily basis in Israel, then I guess they can mention it. But, I really don’t think they would have the time, because the News is only about a half-hour or a hour long. Just discussing one crime in detail would take up the most time. But for some reason (I can’t imagine why) they only have the time to discuss this “Major” crime of spitting.
I guess all crimes in Israel have stopped because 1. – They all are watching the Charedi bashing all day in the news – so there is no time for any criminal activity.
Or 2. – They have all become BT’s, B’H.
Barring these two reasons – they should be discussing the most violent crimes first!
As far as “embarrassment to Jews”, there is a topic on this in the CR, and I have many posts on this. Check it out!
cherrybim – My pleasure. Only after I learned from you how to show your true character.
cherrybim -“so you wouldn’t have a problem if women learn and do belly-dancing in class, right?”
“I’d have a big problem if it were in a Tanach class.”
Ok, that’s nice; but would you have a problem if women learn and do belly-dancing in a dancing class?
adams -“I stil do not understand on what basis people are allowed to attack verbally someone who is obseving Tznius according to majority opinions, on what basis are you allowed to attack someone for not following a chumras and where does it end these attacks.”
There is a basis for it and you can start a topic about this and posters will discuss it. And it’s Not “obseving Tznius according to majority opinions”, nor either is it “not following chumras”!
“And it’s not a few spitters or cursers. it’s been going on a long time. I lived next to Meah Shearim, called Beis Yisroel. Constant cursing and shouting at others. CHildren being trained to attack secular, I saw this.”
Again, there is a basis for it and you can start a topic about this and posters will discuss it. I just don’t agree with the spitting.
“This is the crux of the disagreeement. You want to sweep everything that happens, it’s nothing, every group has their crazies..”
Only on the spitting part.
“my point is that it’s instilled in people from early age to be against other Jews and this is wrong. It is picking on people for alleged aveiros and ignoring their own averios,”
They only “pick” on them when their behavior is flaunted in front of the Charedim. They are only against them because they do Aveiros and then they bring these Aveiros to the Charedi neighborhoods. And who says they “ignore their own averios”?
BTGuy -“Seriously, why don’t you calm down a bit and realize statements that dont agree with you are not meant to be mean to you, so you dont have to respond as such.”
I have no problem with you disagreeing with me, but I do have a problem with you twisting my words and then you and everybody calling me out on something I didn’t say or mean!
“I have to state here that you are the one twisting words of the English language in a sloppy way to defend your statement. It’s ok that people dont agree. It does not have to result in war.”
Which words in the English language did I twist?
“Your quote: “but as soon as you step out of their door they will literally “stab you in the back”!
So, in your above quote, you used the word “literally”. What dont you understand about that word? You did not say “rhetorically” or “figuratively”. You said “literally” which can only mean a warning for chas v’shalom an attempt at murder. No?”
Exactly, why do even think I meant “rhetorically” or “figuratively”?
“Where was this alleged twisting? Explain rather than fight.”
I posted above -“I just thought of something -only treat them nice and buy them things if you truly have a relationship and know them well.”
And you said –“So basically, your answer is to not be friendly since these muslims are just waiting to literally stab a Jew in the back, chas v’shalom.”
Where in any of my statements did I say “not be friendly”? This is called twisting my words! I was issuing a warning, not condenming all Muslims.
“You are entitled to contribute that these friendly neighbors may “literally” stab Jews in the back. And I am entitled to have my view.”
You’re entitled to have any view you want but just Don’t twist my words -it’s not the first time. Why don’t you try reading My posts & thinking about them before you comment?
cherrybim -“It is assur to give musser unless you how to give it and the halachos involved.”
They aren’t doing it to give Mussar!
“No one wakes up one morning and starts to and lob spittle at children. This behavior is learned and taught by the likes of mmd and Health who have in fact shown us that they are part of a sick and disgusting group of individuals who will pay a heavy price for the chillel Hashem which they fomented. It is assur to give musser unless you how to give it and the halachos involved. This is no Pinchas situation. Bais Din; parents; a Rebbe are authorized to exact punishment; not any self-appointed pervert.”
So acc. to your logic of collective blame – No one wakes up one morning and starts to desecrate & burn Mosques and attack Innocent Israeli soldiers. This behavior is learned and taught by the likes of cherrybim and all other MO’s and setttlers and their supporters; who have in fact shown us that they are part of a sick and disgusting group of individuals who will pay a heavy price for the chillel Hashem which they fomented. This is no Pinchas situation. Bais Din; the Israeli gov. are authorized to exact punishment; not any self-appointed vigilante!
adams -“The question I have is, is the majority of hair covering sufficient. There is majority of opinions to rely upon.
SO this machlokes of the Mother not fully hair covered is a chumra machloikes.”
Since when is covering all your hair a Machlokes? Name any Rov that says it’s Mutter L’chatchilla to Not cover your whole hair?
BTGuy -“Because you dont need to take mussar then no one does?”
Where did I say that? You came here to give Mussar -whom is this Mussar directed to? The Charedim in general or the spitters?
You know full and well the spitters aren’t reading posts in this website.
“We all need to take this as mussar to avoid self-righteous indignation because we feel we are on a certain madraga that someone else is not on [yet]. The mussar can be for any point along the line of continuum and can include being harsh to spitting to fighting (literally and figuratively)”
Again most Charedim don’t need Mussar “to avoid self-righteous indignation” because we don’t have any “self-righteous indignation”. Why do you think we do? Is this something inbred in you from your childhood?
“The fact the spitter was not pounced on immediately (by me) and he is not the only one participating in this assault on a Jewish child, is something that needs to be nipped in the bud immediately.”
He was not the only one, but there were a Few Charedim there, so what? And who says if 99% of the Charedim were standing there they wouldn’t stop this guy?
“If there were something I can do about it, please let me know. In the meantime, it is a lesson for all of us, even in CR, to watch how we behave when we feel someone is not doing something right.”
We should watch how we behave and most Charedim do; and since we do -we don’t need any Mussar on this. Who are you to come here and give Mussar to all Charedim? Perhaps you are the one with self-righteous indignation?
mikehall -“1% extremist have been allowed to continue their crazy ways due to the passiveness of the remaing 99%”
Well if you believe in collective blame – then I’m sure you blame the whole settler movement and all MO’s for all the Mosque desecration & burning and all the attacks on Innocent Israeli soldiers!
tahini -“Health, the upset of seeing a Jew break or misunderstand the laws of kashrut or tzniut are nothing compared to the pain of seeing Jews burning up with hatred and bitterness against each other, sorry if this is not seen as appropriate, but it is a deep rooted instinct within me, and I suspect many other Jews feel the same.”
But what you fail to understand is that the Charedim aren’t the ones burning up with hatred & bitterness -it’s e/o else towards the Charedim. If you realized this you wouldn’t be coming to YWN to post “how embarrassed you are”. You would go to the Jerusalem Post or Haaretz or something similar to post about your feelings.
Why do you think that the Charedim are “burning up with hatred & bitterness” because of the demonstrations against breaches of the Torah? This isn’t because of “burning up with hatred & bitterness”, this is because they flaunt their Freye ways in front of the Charedim. This is just a reaction to the provocation.
And you know I’m right because otherwise the Charedim would go to Tel Aviv everyday and yell and spit!
“If you see something inappropriate and cannot mediate gently or effectively, look away, if food is not kosher, do not eat, but to turn on to another person and cause them pain and fear is not acceptable to me. It is not mere embarrassment, it is a sense of foreboding and acute pain.”
The Charedim do and that’s why when they go to Tel Aviv or anywhere where a lot of Freye are, they aren’t yelling and spitting at every passerby. But you can’t expect them to turn the other cheek when you come next door to where they live and flaunt your Non-Torah behavior! (Look- no “U” in behavior -I’m not English.)
Sam2 -“MDD: I’m not saying that Rabbi Broyde is right. He is a Bar Hachi to have an opinion though, and his followers have a right to follow his opinion. Also, the Aruch Hashulchan sounds like my statement of “have a Mesora not to cover their hair” isn’t so inaccurate.”
I asked “L’chatchilla”? And you anwsered Rabbi Broyde & the Aruch Hashulchan. Sorry, but you made this up. They posted Rabbi Brody’s Shita here in the CR awhile back and I’ve also seen the Aruch Hashulchan, both are just saying a Limud Zecus, which is not the same as saying Mutter L’chatchilla!!!!
adams -“who is heath to decide who keeps the Torah or not and on this basis you decide that you hate this fellow Jew?”
I don’t decide whether s/o is keeping the Torah or not because I flip a coin, but if I see it with my own eyes then I know that they aren’t keeping it. If people are Mechalel Shabbos and I witness this -then they aren’t Frum. If people don’t keep Hilchos Tzinus and I witness this -then they aren’t Frum.
“Please stop calling me a hater this is your specialty, to name call, perhaps you spend too much time thinking.
Please stop calling me a hater. This is what you do in every post about me. It makes you look pathetic.”
Sorry, you got it wrong. YOU came here to YWN bashing Charedim and I defended them, not the other way around. (LOOK UP!)
Sorry that the truth hurts. Calling a hater – a hater doesn’t make me look pathetic, only the original hater looks like a fool!
“No person has any right to judge another Jews if there skirts are too long or not.”
Why not? And why is it that you think their lack of Tzinus is only with their skirts? The pictures I saw – everywhere they weren’t Tznius.
“You are clearly spending too much time on areas you should not be focusing on.”
Who says? And you are clearly spending too much time on areas you should not be focusing on, like a few guys whom spit amongst thousands & thousands of Good Ehliche Yidden.
“this is not representative of Torah at all. You are missing the point.”
Actually you are!
“This extremism includes observing and focusing on a womans fashions, what she is wearing.”
So noticing people who don’t dress Tzinus and calling them out about it, even if it’s flaunted in your face is extremism. I guess if I notice people who are Mechallel Shabbos and call them out about it -I’m an extremist.
Actually being a Frum Jew is extremism, because by and large Most Jews aren’t Frum. This type of extremism I’m proud of!
Sam2 – The learning is Not the same as Davening. Most yeshivos have some sort of dress code and people will ostracize those that don’t follow the code, even if you have permission from the RY, most Bochurim don’t want to associate with those that don’t go with the societal Norms!
Sam2 -“As long as they follow what is a valid P’sak given by their Rabbanim (and while not accepted generally, there are opinions that are more Meikel by hair-covering)”
Name one Rov that Paskens Nowadays that women can go without their hair covered, L’chatchilla?!?!
Sam2 -“Health: One more than 1 occasion I have been not counted for a Minyan, (presumably) due to me wearing a colored shirt. I would hope that everyone thinks like you claim-that they only care if you follow Halachah. However, my experience (and I think many others’ also) is that far too many care about other things than that.”
This is the first time EVER that I heard anybody make such a claim. And if I never heard such a thing -I definitely never saw such a thing.
So if it’s as common as you make it sound, don’t you think in my whole long life, Bli A’H, and I’m a FFB, that I would have at least heard about this?!?!
ARWSF -“In other words its wrong to just hand over gift.”
This was addressed above and e/o said – over here it wouldn’t be a problem!
lesschumras -“1. Did the MO neighborhoods and approval for the school precede the buildings that the Chareidim occupy? If so they can’t complain now about the view.”
I don’t live there and I’m not 100% sure of the history. I think the MO neighborhoods were there first, but this “School” building was being built for a very long time. The MO just started using it for a school this year or last. I think the former Mayor tricked the Charedim into letting it be built, by saying it was going to be a Boy’s school.
“2. Is the school in fact on the border? If it is and the times of the day when the girls go and come from school, why do the men any out on tat corner if the so offends them?”
I think so.
Who says they stand out? And read my posts above that they see the Pritzus from their neighborhood.
mamashtakah -“That’s why curtains were invented.”
So they should never allow any sunlight in? And what about when they go in and out of their house -Ya know to Daven, to learn, to shop? They shouldn’t have to wear blinders like horses. Let the Moderne either Dress Tzinus or move their school!
“And obviously, they’re not sitting and learning if they are out screaming at little girls.”
Well once they know that bad things is going on in their neighborhood -then they are Putter from learning and have to go out and make a Machoh!
apushatayid -“I did not ignore the possibility that you saw pictures that I have not seen, however, you seem to ignore the possibility that every video I have seen of this woman shows a woman with properly covered hair.”
Therefore what? She made sure when the TV cameras were rolling to look presentable, but when in her home -on her couch -she let her hair down! (Let her guard down.) And this is when they snapped the picture.
BTGuy -“But in this case, with spitting on this girl……it’s not a media circus. It is news that we need to
take mussar from, big time!”
Whom needs to take Mussar the Spitter or all the Charedim?
I don’t need to take Mussar or anybody that I know -I don’t react like that!
And since you never really read my posts -I’ll repeat something I wrote above – “It’s funny – the media will condenm the whole Charedi world for the “terrible” violent actions of a few spitters, but they won’t condenm the whole Settler movement (Mostly M.O. Jews) for extreme violence committed against Arabs and soldiers!”
Sam2 -“Health: No one is claiming “the Chareidim” are starting up. People are (accurately) stating that a group of idiots who pretend to be Chareidim are starting up.”
Well those guys aren’t starting up either. They are reacting to UnTzinus dress that they are constantly exposed to!
“Also, can you cite your CC please? I want to look at it.”
Mostly #4, but a lot of places besides this.
I really don’t know what this Zumba is and I’m not going online to look at the moves to see if they aren’t Tzinus.
But those that claim that the moves aren’t Tzinus and the reason it’s Mutter is because it’s an all women’s class, so you wouldn’t have a problem if women learn and do belly-dancing in class, right?
BTGuy -“So basically, your answer is to not be friendly since these muslims are just waiting to literally stab a Jew in the back, chas v’shalom.”
Again you twisted my words -it’s not the first time. You also caused some negative posts towards me. Why don’t you try reading My posts before you comment?
I posted -“I just thought of something -only treat them nice and buy them things if you truly have a relationship and know them well.”
I was issuing a warning, not condenming all Muslims.
Do you have a problem with this? Or should e/o believe the whole world & the Jewish Leftists that there is No problem with Muslims -the problem is Only the Jews?
This comes out everyday from the UN – they have absolutely nothing negative to say about all these Arab countries, even nowadays with all the atrocities coming out of Syria everyday.
They can only Condenm Israel day in & day out for building in the West Bank or defending themselves against the constant attack they get from Gaza!
tahini – Do you feel more embarrassed or at least the same embarrassed when Jews don’t keep Tzinus, Kashrus, Shabbos, etc.?
I just thought of something -only treat them nice and buy them things if you truly have a relationship and know them well.
Muslims are notorious for being two-faced! They say that they have learnt Hachnosos Orchim from Avruhum Aveinu. So they will invite a Jew into their home and give you the most respect while you are there, but as soon as you step out of their door they will literally “stab you in the back”!
Oh, they are sitting and learning, but when they are at home they look out the window and see Pritzus. I know you can’t comprehend this, but it bothers them.
“Well the MO “Frum” Jews can move to the West Bank with all the other MO’s that live there.
So let them move and then they can busy themselves with burning and desecrating Mosques and attacking Jewish soldiers, like the others that live there.
It’s funny – the media will condenm the whole Charedi world for the “terrible” violent actions of a few spitters, but they won’t condenm the whole Settler movement (Mostly M.O. Jews) for extreme violence committed against Arabs and soldiers!
apushatayid -“I have no idea what video you saw, and certainly can not disagree with what you claim you saw. On the other hand, I have seen several videos of this 8 year old girl and her mother.”
Well I posted there is a picture of her sitting on her couch
giving an interview and her hair is showing. But let’s ignore the truth and pretend the Charedim are just starting up!