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Dear Pekak,
Obama offered the same. And he got nowhere, until the Democrats committed an anti debate coup in Congress. As opposed to Reagan and Clinton who ran with their agendas and forced the opposition to keep up or miss out. Or, Bush 43, who found Democrats in Congress (Such as one Joseph R. Biden, a Senator from Delaware.) to stump for his policies on the floor of Congress.
You people worship the sea or the wind?
Dear Syag,
I asked if you considered it. It is a funny thought. just checking how serious this topic is to you.
I somewhat disagree. Police do not seem equipped to deal with domestic disputes.
The woman in the video seemed bothered by the outcome.
Dear Old,
These two topics are not directly linked. We can have civilian misconduct, alongside police misconduct.
Dear Proud,
These vaccines are owned by private companies or foreign governments. Dr. Fauci works for the American Government.
Dr. Fauci works for the NIH. The FDA has the final say on approving vaccines.
Dear Two,
To me, this is not about judgement. I leave that to the courts. This is about policing. It could be justified on the basis that they were trying to do their jobs in good faith. That is proving my point. Policing in this country is not set up for successful outcomes. Things could be changed. But I am skeptical if now is the right time for that.
Dear Old,
“FACT – This fellow was shot according to every reasonable standard of U.S. law and known public policy.”
Maybe it is reasonable to you that people should be shot according to standards and policies. To me it is all about the context. And it is the job of the police to control the context. If they are not equipped to do that, they should not be there.
Dear Health,
Any bystander that wanted to get involved could have killed theses cops in an instant. Like, if the fellow who videoed it would have had a gun.
Dear Health,
My point was that since we are not expecting a miracle drug, we could do more trials on more drugs. There is enough to go on for those who want to use HCQ + zinc. Since it is not the solution for everything, we may as well look into other drugs too. We are not expecting to find out more with further research on HCQ + zinc.
Dear Interjection,
“But, using the argument that he had three kids in the car, threatened in front of them that he was going to get his gun and then went to get his gun, shows that he doesn’t necessarily deserve the benefit of the doubt and that the cop shouldn’t assume that he wouldn’t shoot in front of his kids.”
Police have to maintain control of the situation. Period. That is their job. The kids in the back seat can be used as a key to understand the situation.
It is unclear what happened here. Maybe the Police never got a handle on what was going on. Maybe Blake flew off the handle. The video looks pathetic. I do not know how many facts will ever be known about this case.
Dear Health,
Thanks for your reply! I have been interested in your take on this treatment for months.
To be very clear, I have no opinion on how effective it may be.
I got from you two points.
It can save lives, but is not known how many.
And, it has to be taken within a few days.My analysis is, that is enough of a perspective to make it a closed topic. (In the real medical world.) Being that it has not shown the promise of being a ‘miracle drug’, there should not be a special emphasis on trying to see just how much this treatment can do. Let it prove it’s worth as it get’s used more. Special emphasis should be reserved for treatments that have promise, but have not yet been researched. (There are only so many patients at a given time in a given place to study. Why give them one treatment that does not hold much promise for them?)
Even if it would turn out better than any drug available, (I think that would be a forty percent success rate. maybe higher.) it is still not enough to soften the overall impact of the pandemic. Except for the most optimistic guesses at herd immunity. Additionally, a treatment that is intended within four days will not help much as most patients are not being tracked from the very beginning. Furthermore, all treatments do not help toward slowing the spread. Which is the crucial factor in reopening the economy.
As it stands now, if a doctor feels comfortable prescribing this treatment, he can do so. Dr. Fauci is not saying that it should not be prescribed. It would require the presiding physician’s intuition as to whether it should be given, and how it should be given. There is no way to regulate intuition. And for sure there is no reason to give it randomly (Such as after four days.) instead of medications that have fared well in more controlled studies.
In conclusion, perhaps you could have saved thousands with HCQ + zinc. But most doctors do not seem to be as confident. And, you seem to be indicating that one has to know how to administer it. [Within four days. With zinc. Any specifics on the dosing?] There is no reason to believe that this would change the overall crisis.
Dear Health,
Aware of what? There are three officers in the video, and they are all staring at Blake as if he is in the circus. And Blake is totally ignoring them. He is not their biggest possible threat. If any bystander would have pulled out a gun, there could have been three dead cops. I personally knew people who could have jumped all three officers at once in this situation. Maybe they had cover down the street. And maybe this is a case of suicide by cop.
Dear Syag,
Did it ever occur to you, that perhaps he was offering the cops a pepsi?
Dear Millhouse,
On the way to the car the police are marching behind him like it is a parade. If it is so dangerous to reach into a car, or such criminal activity to resist arrest, why did they not do something before he got to the car door?
Dear Rational,
The early part of this thread was understood (At least by me.) as pure speculation.
Dear Milhouse,
One of the differences between BLM and the old guard (e. g. Sharpton) is that they are about policy changes and not about leadership. One of the underpinnings of Marxism is, that nobody cares about anything besides for usefulness. the intention of Marx, was to make the proletariat useful on his/her own terms, and that would enable people to care for themselves. Because nobody else will.
Dear Ben,
It is not a quick question!
Dear Ubiquitin,
These are studies of how the immune system itself reacts to the virus. As such, they could not have received any medication etc. Being that they were not ventilated, I am curious as to how the disease manifested itself.
Dear Proud,
IThere are two hundred vaccines in the pipeline. Which one is ‘his’?
Dear Health,
I have no problem with your support for HCQ + zinc. How much of an impact can one treatment have on this pandemic?
If I understood Dr. Fauci correctly, he does not have a problem with unproven treatments. His point is, that unless a treatment has shown promise of being exceptionally effective, it is a waste of time and resources to keep researching it, as opposed to looking for more alternatives.
Dear Interjection,
Someone who has symptoms would cancel his vacation. If he does not, there is not much you can do. He will party in Israel if he wants. The fact is Yidden get very touchy about cancelling their Rosh Hashana.
On a more serious point. Some Bresolvers avoid preventive medical safeguards. It is part of their life philosophy. We know that Tzfas Yidden went to Umann with the measels!
Dear Gadol,
As there seems to be a lot of Americans that did not head to Umann over the summer, it is safe to guess that there will be local Breslover minyanim for Rosh Hashana. Maybe you can join one and reap the spiritual benefits yourself. [Without feeling troubled about supporting anti-semites.]
Dear Random,
Maybe I should have included this, but I assumed we are talking about someone who is seriously ill. (Oxygen around 90. High fever.) If the nebulizer would be ineffective, the next step would be to go to the hospital. I got advice from a frum doctor. In that instance, he also said that if I could not get it on with a spoon, I should turn it on regular, instead of calling hatzolah or going to the ER.
I also shold add, that when using a shabbos clock, have it stay on for at least an hour at a time. In case it has to be redone, you will have enough time to do it twice.
Dear Syag,
My comments are always irrelevant. It is just words forming ideas, or the reverse. On this topic, I am commenting on other posters pontificating about the case. See my first post (as well as the OP) which assumes that we will not have any real details soon.I did not form any opinion on this case. My comments are aimed at policing in general. Based on first hand experience. I still do not see any significant details being reported. Just about every article has ‘no additional details are available at this time’ attached. the only thing I noticed is that there seems to be no local investigation. But both state and federal. And they are both claiming that they cannot say anything.
Dear Ubiquitin,
I came across two studies that included a group of patients, as being ‘hospitalized for several weeks, never placed on ventilators, or given any treatment’. it seems like most of them were discharged and eventually recovered. It is unclear to me for what care they may have needed to be hospitalized. Can you give me some context? (Possible condition of these patients.)
I put up two posts. One about how Biden seems more in line with traditional Republicans than Trump. Another about Trump and the riots. I received zero responses on the first one, and four on the other. All four are along the line of ‘do not make that argument, there is not much he can do’. Well, it seemed to be enough of a reason to leave the country if the next president would not do much about it. What kind of allergic reaction is there to an open debate? It seems like the average republican voter has become the same no-opposition-allowed-in-my-safe-space as the shrill progressives that have infected the universities of this country. Just to point out, most presidents manage to work with both sides of the aisle. In this regard, Trump is similar to Obama, and Biden is something akin to the four presidents before that.
Dear Mods,
Some of my posts from earlier today did not go up. It could be from a computer issue on my end. Please let me know if you are holding anything.
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Dear Historian,
I was pointing out the irony, that many participants on this site (Yourself excluded.) have no clue about the ideas behind BLM. They extract an ideology based on what is happening on our streets. (Or they just make it up.) This topic was created on the premise that it is impossible to line up BLM with any non violent ideas.
The double irony is that this mindset is directly related to the increases in street violence. When people feel that their message is falling on deaf ears, they may resort to ‘forcing’ people to pay closer attention to their movement.
Dear Doing,
It is hard to state that the cop is a bad guy. But there is a lot of evidence that they are not that great at their jobs. They should have been aware of what was going on around them. They should have realized his kids were there. [Maybe they did.] They should not assume that he would start shooting in front of his kids. Cops being so afraid that they cannot think straight, need better training. Or a career change. It seems like nobody in America believes this, but there are plenty of capable police out there. There could have been a bunch of talented officers on hand in Kenosha. All it takes is one idiot to open fire, and a controlled situation becomes a mess.
Some quotes from this topic:
“a different shkiya”
“there are two shkios, one the normal sun set and 72 min after that is another shkiah”
” hold the shikia is 60 minutes after sunset”
This is an error. Shkia means sunset. [????? ???? Literally translates to; the submerging of the sun (below the horizon).] By definition, it has little to do with how dark it is in the sky, or the appearance of stars. The question of when is nightfall, is also not directly related to sunset. Everybody who lived before the advent of electricity, had no doubt about what sunset was, and when it is. I do not know when the terminology became confusing, but they certainly did not mean to say that the sun sets twice.
For Yidden it is important to know exactly when is nightfall, for basically one topic. it is of little consequence to zman tefillah. We [with one exception] are not waiting for nightfall to daven mincha. As both mincha and maariv can be accomplished before sunset.
Dear Health,
You only support the law idea in law and order. You never encourage people to act orderly when they are within the law.
Dear Reb Eliezer,
your sources do not imply that it can be lechatchila do daven at a later hour.
Dear The Little,
You seem to be missing one point. Which town has a riot and which one has a peaceful protest, has to do with the level of community trust. There would have been no investigation into the death of George Floyd without some form of public protest.Has the Kenosha PD even announced who will be handling the investigation?
Dear Two,
Your reasoning is sound, except that the cops hin Minneapolis have a bad record of unjustified killings. And this specific event does not have any benevolent intent. A large amount fentanynl is by itself inconclusive of anything.
Dear Noyb,
Just another source that most police officers are petrified of live crime.
What has Trump done to quell the riots? Look at Portland. If you think effectively stopping the protests is the number one issue Trump is not among your top ten candidates. There is nothing in his long and multi-faceted career, which would help him on this one.
If supporters of President Bush (c. 2004), had to choose between one of these two democrats (Donald J. Trump or Joseph R. Biden.), they would have overwhelmingly chosen Mr. Biden. This is still true. Two former members of bush’s cabinet came to speak at the DNC. Any coming to the RNC?
The Kenosha PD cannot be dumb enough to talk about the specifics now. Their town is in pretty bad shape. They need to find a good top cop and let him do his job.
Dear Two,
There has not been a new filing. This is the old one. And has been already discussed. The autopsy is nothing new either. This is a medical/legal opinion, that is coming to from the courts. Let the best lawyer win. [Liberal Americans call it justice.]
Let me ask, what is the difference if the police kill a healthy person with no rap sheet, than somebody on drugs with a history of drug offenses?
Is it okay for police to kill only unhealthy people? Are we now to believe that besides being an honorable judge, Derek Chauvin is also a master of medical diagnosis. Police are supposed to target low class individuals and cause them harm?
(Dear Two,
I am not referring to what you think. I am recalling some of the drivel that has been inferred on this topic. If you can please enlighten me, as to what the implications of your post meant to you.)
Older people would do well to realize, that exposure to technology is not fully in the parents hands anymore. An adolescent with an internet problem, can easily purchase his own device. Also, a child can be exposed to the internet virtually anywhere in a midsize city like Lakewood. The narrative is still more about self control and purpose, than anything else.
What is wrong with (kids) texting?
Dear Historian,
Ideas?!?!@#$%^&*()_)(*&^%$
You are on the wrong topic or the wrong site.
Can anybody source this quote for me?
“It is better to daven, not in the zman; than to daven not, in the zman.”
From those I personally know of people who speculate on the market, they have no interest in overall economic theory. The stock market has not really scared away small time investors in the last few decades. They do not see any more risk than usual in a collapsing economy.
Dear CTR,
1) Reb Eliezer quoted correctly. It seems like you misunderstood him, because your explanation falls right into what he said.
2) Waking up late, is not the same discussion as davening late. For the sake of this topic, let’s assume that everyone rises before dawn, yet davens at different times.
3) Tefilla is a mitzvah at any point that the occasion arises. It is not specific to shacharis, mincha, and maariv. While it may be too late for shacris, it is never too late to daven.
4) Minaynim should be designated as times when the tzibbur will/is gathered. Using only halachic time considerations only, always seemed bizarre to me.
5) Every one of these minyanim is different than Reform, in that it centered on the Jew fulfilling his obligation, and not the requirements fulfilling the Jew. It is not comparable to the methods employed by the Conservative Movement, because there was no conscious decision to deviate. It followed a norm that preceded it. (See my post above.)
Dear Bochur,
This question (mostly) pertained to eastern Europe as whole. A lot of the confusion predates chassidim. keeping track of the time was a communal occupation. As the reformation progressed, the concept of when the day starts and ends became more convoluted. This resulted in misunderstandings in all aspects of timekeeping. Mincha is the hardest tefillah to schedule. (Wake up and daven shacris. Do not go to sleep until after maariv.) It follows that mincha got pushed later as the clock became more flexible. (Read misunderstood.) Maariv had to get pushed back, as nobody ever davened maariv before mincha. As of the first part of the last century, it was still more common to come across maariv before shkia, than mincha after.
The one that is not older than the chassidim, is shacharis. Before the advent of electricity and the modern city, everyone davened in the early hours of the morning. The halachic problem was davening too early. It is doubtful if there was (what we call) an eight o’clock minyan anywhere in the world three hundred years ago. The late shacharis started in Kotzk. They would rise for tikkun chatzos and say tehillim and then learn for the entire morning. Only after the townspeople started on their day, they would begin to daven until midday. Kotzk eventually devolved into Gur. After the war, the Imrei Emes put a stop to the late shacharis. While the late shacharis has spread to the yeshivaliet (With the notable exception of the sefardim.) and Flatbush et al, Gur still does not have any minyanim past the zman.
The article is a very good read. He puts the blame at the base (elementary schools) of the educational structure. Rather than pushing kids toward a stronger enthusiasm for yiddishkiet, it slides kids toward being a part of the culture that they are being exposed to.
I think this is true (almost) everywhere. Just in the more charedi communities, the culture is more yiddish. Rather than creating a greater enthusiasm for Torah and Mitzvos, it turns our culture into a mitzvah. Educating kids to be passionate about the giyus, the internet,kashrus organizations, and shirt color, also leads to the conclusion that if there is no social activity than there is no value to the devotional aspects of yiddishkiet alone. It just provides a better cover for the lack of enthusiasm for authentic Judaism.
The discussion about who has a greater membership or youth movement is silly. I am starting a new denomination that only cares about perpetuation in terms of critical mass. Any thriving group that devolved from Judaism is automatically included. Regardless of their status toward Judaism per se. Right now my denomination consists of all branches of Christianity and Islam, when the Jewish schisms can be perceived as one unit, they will be deemed Jewish enough to be allowed into my denomination that is obviously the most Jewish of all. [Based on it’s own criteria of strength in numbers. Which no other denomination is Jewish enough to take on as their defining criteria.]
Dear Someone,
The economy will naturally be impeded by the pandemic. No shutdown Sweden, still had the largest quarterly fall of the last 40 years. Once the pandemic is behind us, there could be major growth. Unless global crises become the norm.
Dear Akuperma,
Antifa is not an organization, and they do not have any stated ‘goals’. If this is what gives you nightmares, than lay off the bottle.
Dear Akuperma,
Palestinians, free elections? Ha!