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  • in reply to: January 6th Committee Hearings #2101257
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    Dear Syag,

    It wasn’t definitions. It was saying how the same words have different meaning according to certain narratives.

    in reply to: Time Machine #2101258
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    I want to check out all the missing years in history.

    in reply to: The yeshiva world coffee room and its illustrious history #2101237
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    How many posters have been active for ten+ years?

    in reply to: Recycling #2101236
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    Dear Avira,

    I asked you what is the parameters of Torah. What type of statement is absolute truth and cannot be debated?

    in reply to: January 6th Committee Hearings #2101213
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    Dear Smerel,

    The Jan 6 committee wants some cooperation from the Justice Department. Neither is hiding anything specific. It’s the correct way to build a case.

    in reply to: January 6th Committee Hearings #2101215
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    Dear Always,

    It is called overthrowing the government. Same as what happens go the Far East, Africa, and Latin America.

    Three differences from a classic coup are: 1. Some of the conspirators, including key figures, asked for pardons or planned a judicial defense in advance of the attempt. 2. Nobody thought of what to do if Pence etc. wouldn’t go along with their plans. 3. There was no safeguards to prevent things from going me the rails. A successful coup needs some discipline.

    What does it show? That even when it comes to holding on to power, people without personal virtue will not think enough of themselves to do what actually works. Always looking for it to be handed to them.

    in reply to: January 6th Committee Hearings #2101219
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    Dear Young,

    If Liz Cheney, is not a real Republican, than who is? Maybe Karl Rove And that’s it.

    You could twist the world upside down. It doesn’t change what the Republican Party was for forty years.

    There were many great Republicans who served and yet considered ‘owning the libs’ beneath them.

    in reply to: January 6th Committee Hearings #2101123
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    Today’s hearing posits that Trump thought he was running an actual coup. There is no more missing pieces.

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    Could it be that one of your personalities thinks he’s a cat?!??

    Oh please say I’m wrong on this!

    in reply to: Chaveirim, Yidden, and Lomdei Toirah, be malveh me your Oznayim #2101076
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    Dear Yabia,

    I’m sorry. I ruined a good line.

    in reply to: Chaveirim, Yidden, and Lomdei Toirah, be malveh me your Oznayim #2101070
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    Dear Yabia,

    Oh, I get it. Brisk does not follow the Rambam in such a manner.

    in reply to: Recycling #2101054
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    Dear Avira,

    I’m not parroting anything at all. I see that we agree on what is a higher truth. I’m just not willing that every word of chazal should be considered Torah M’Sinai. And I don’t see the sages of yore thinking differently. I believe that you think your position is Kovod HaTorah. My disagreement is based on that the Torah’s honor becomes dependent on you – the understanding student – being correct at least in the majority of instances.

    There is no way for me to know if my argument is getting through to you and ignored. Or if you missed it. Or if you think you answered it. Let’s take this somewhere else. In your last post, you made a claim that the Rishonim do not disagree with Chazal’s conclusion. You also threw in a disclaimer. In your approximation, what statement would a bona fide talmid chacham not proclaim? I’ll respond to that if I agree or know of a universal rishon that makes such a statement.

    in reply to: Opulence Worshippers #2101025
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    Dear Common,

    That’s new to me. Do you know details?

    in reply to: WWRAS-What would R’ Aharon zt”l say? #2100996
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    Dear Rocky, are you satisfied with my response?

    in reply to: Recycling #2100981
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    Dear Gadol,

    Oh no! The first option will fill this world with mindless trash-sorting zombies and the second will send all the pollution to the world to come. The only way to be maleh all the nitzotzos in our waste is to wash it out well to the point that it is reusable. Than pile it up in a pyramid. Douse with gasoline. And sent it up to the heavens.

    in reply to: Opulence Worshippers #2100983
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    Dear Common,

    What did you clarify?

    Does Fallsberg make a dinner or not?

    in reply to: Opulence Worshippers #2100960
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    Dear Common,

    A real value is about what you value. Not about making any statements. What value is making a statement?

    I’m really bewildered.

    in reply to: Kesuba vs Kollel #2100961
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    Dear Always,

    It’s a much deeper issue than that.

    in reply to: Recycling #2100958
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    Dear Avira,

    I purposely avoided the whole evolutionary dialogue. If you aware of how the science of the Genesis shifted in Rav Hirsch’s day, and even more so a hundred years ago, you would know how ideas formed in the old thought system would age into today’s science. Even the atheists don’t think that evolution is anymore a problem for literalists. But still, I carefully avoided it. You seem to be stuck on Rav Hirsch’s scientific knowledge, not just his conclusion.

    Now this is just a retort from you, but it is my main point. You can only operate the way you claim to be correct, by controlling the entire narrative. It won’t work for you to accept something you understand to be incorrect to get clarity on a different part of the dialogue. You have to be right everywhere, or else risk being disproven on some point. In sum, you don’t have a concept of truth as a guide. You work on the assumption that the conclusions that we are aware of are the Truth. And that defines the guiding concept by force of it being true.

    So this is my problem. The idea that chazal’s conclusions are absolute truth, would require us to accept them as unknowable but true. Or to arrange our knowledge around these accepted truths. The problem is that the Rishonim did not use either method. Rather they had two fountains of flowing into one river of Truth. Knowledge – the five senses, logical deduction, known observation, etc. And the Torah. As in revelation, prophecy, and tradition. When it was unclear to them, they state their dogmas. There many instances of questioning and doubting chazal. None of them insisting that chazal’s conclusions define the truth.

    in reply to: Opulence Worshippers #2100852
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    Dear Avira,

    Rav Elya Ber says he is a talmid of Rav Meir Mintz, if I recall the name correctly. He may choose to follow Rav Aaron’s ideas of fundraising. But I would guess that Brisk has an even more stringent opinion of who a yeshiva may honor. In any case, as far as I know Fallsberg doesn’t have a dinner.

    I’m not sure Stamford ever had much of a dinner. But I would guess that approving the honorees would be the extent of it. And even that much may have been left to Rav Simcha.

    in reply to: The yeshiva world coffee room and its illustrious history #2100840
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    Dear Mods,

    Can this be moved over to decaffeinated?

    in reply to: Peer pressure is not just about people feeling pressured. #2100835
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    Dear Sam,

    I was feeling pressured to have to buy things that are cheaper than I can afford because others weren’t buying them. I’m off now to get my corvette. Maybe I’ll sell you my mustang cheap. Thanks!

    in reply to: Kesuba vs Kollel #2100836
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    Dear Always,

    What if he has enough to eat? What if he is worth double the net value of the average person with a PhD?

    in reply to: Recycling #2100834
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    Dear Avira,

    My argument with you on this topic is that this is not that kind of statement. And if you think it is such a statement, than you should really look into it, and then say “I don’t care about all this evidence. Call me a fool everyday.”

    It’s more that just saying such a species is no longer known. It’s tracking almost every one else a species and knowing their entire habitat. This could be parsed a lot. Is the American Jaguar the same species as the Mexican Jaguar? (I’m not sure if I got the right cat. I’m almost sure it has a different name for north and South.) What about when a new species is brought about temporarily? Like a certain type of dog or monkey that is engineered for lab experiments. A few dozen are developed, and are not replaced.

    It also has to do with finding fossilized creatures that are no longer known to exist. When we study the historicity of extinction, it is debatable if even species that are common today, can be considered coming from an extinct ancestor. The cows we know today, are in no way similar to the taurus described by the ancients.

    The science Rav Hirsch was using, assumed that since a dog did not come from a horse or vice versa there is nothing similar about them. Their brains, nerves, organs, are all different. The only similarity is that they are both animals and can be classified differently than the owl, turtle, or otter. This has been mostly selected. It is now known that there are many similarities in species that have no connection to each other. Some of these are found in a bunch of random creatures and are not found in any of the species that are extremely similar to them. This completely changes the implications of extinction from that it was in Rav Hirsch’s day. It’s not just a lo ra’inu.

    As I write this, I realize that maybe I’m stepping on some toes here. Was this one of the Slifkin ‘debates’? I’m to young to know the majority of them. And I find his blog condescending and without much of a point. Most of his questions that he calls obvious proofs are satisfactorily answered with a shrug.

    I would tell you what the scientific consensus on this topic is. I’m just unaware of any. Nobody could prove either way if a species is ever really extinct. Wherever the dodo bird came from originally, it could theoretically come from again.

    in reply to: Opulence Worshippers #2100830
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    Dear Avira,

    This is all fuzzy research. Asking uncles who hock too much and aunts who think they have a better memory.

    Some points. Fallsberg claims to a Bais Hatalmud creation. And Sav Elya Ber does not call himself a talmid of Rav Aaron.

    Stamford moved to Monsey or near it. I’m not sure if it’s similar to what it was. I do not know who the money was, but it definitely was not Rav Meir. And I’m not sure he would know much about who Rav Aaron honored or didn’t.

    Obviously, Rav Chaim Epstein’s yeshiva is a good a source as there is for Rav Aaron’s opinions. But I’m still guessing off of what I gathered from hearsay. I have no source that this is intentional to any of them.

    When I started asking, I thought I would get more chessed organizations. But it was too conflicting. Like people who were born into not frum families that stayed close to the Jewish communities. Or the wealthy that used their wealth on others, but were not otherwise noteworthy role models.

    in reply to: Visiting the Har Habayis #2100826
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    Dear Avira,

    1. Minhag Yerushalayim has been contentious throughout history. It does not do anything besides pushing off change a few years. It couldn’t even prevent Shabbtai Tzvi from enacting whatever he fancied.

    2. I’m not promoting Zionism. And I’m for sure not advising anyone to go up on the temple mount. But that beyond all the personal views, there is a bona fide halachic dispute on the matter. I know this second hand from someone trustworthy.

    3. Politics based on Torah sounds like an oxymoron. And I hope you know that nobody is practicing it. A very small amount of askanim claim to be doing it. But nobody asks their opinion in any other area of Torah. And this includes those that have a small following.

    in reply to: Kesuba vs Kollel #2100815
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    And what if nobody wants to hire them?

    in reply to: Kesuba vs Kollel #2100814
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    Dear Gadol,

    How would a job fill whatever their lacking?

    in reply to: Chaveirim, Yidden, and Lomdei Toirah, be malveh me your Oznayim #2100812
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    Dear Yabia,

    Brisk does not idolize the Rambam.

    I did not know that Hebrew was the Rambam’s first language.

    Your critiques of the yeshiva are more sensible than some of the other posters here. Still, you assume that the Yeshiva is on the inside what it is to those outside of it.

    in reply to: Peer pressure is not just about people feeling pressured. #2100797
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    Dear Coffee,

    I gather that you didn’t feel like commenting.

    in reply to: what is a woman #2100803
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    Dear Young,

    1. Hishtadlus. Not needed here. Let the general public try all the social experiments they want. It has no meaning to me. Why would any yid with a strong foundation even follow this nonsense?

    2. Policies. If Washington had not been non-functional for the majority of my life, this may be worth discussing. But the fact is that our elected representatives to the collective bodies of government can’t govern. Nor can they be collective. They can’t even represent anymore. Now they are moving to the point where they can’t even be fairly elected. In this climate, policies are just fuel for bigoted cultural discord. The sensible person would take on whatever position is less inflammatory. Even if that means ‘supporting’ something that we personally find abominable.

    in reply to: Recycling #2100796
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    Dear Gefilte,

    I’m trying to say that there is a lot more nuance to a statement from chazal than just it’s conclusions. That chazal used the science of their day, as well as a great Chacham can be on the wrong side of the evidence, is not a question to me. It would take a lot more than that, to negate a single statement of any two-bit-talmid chacham. When a statement is preserved for centuries, it is worth putting in the effort to uncover what ever insight can be gleaned, even when the reality of it is in conflict with known phenomena.

    in reply to: Recycling #2100789
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    Dear Avira,

    Rav Hirsch was using a scientific position which is now known to contradict thousands of known phenomena. This not a questionable matter, as Rav Hirsch himself says that we would discard our theories when they are not in conformation with even one known instance. You should follow the truth that Rav Hirsch was not stating that this is an eternal truth. He was understanding the science based on what he knew from the Torah.

    in reply to: Kesuba vs Kollel #2100777
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    Dear Always,

    Modern means or telepathic ones. Who cares? It’s not a question of how to separate who is really shteiging from who is just sitting. People know the difference. The issue is what do you say to someone who is just sitting and not learning?

    This requires a real and intelligent response.

    in reply to: Kesuba vs Kollel #2100776
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    Dear Gefilte,

    The problem with Rav Leff’s pshat is that then the Rambam in Shemita is discussing his ideal. But what is he in practice? If it’s the same reality with a different ideal, how can one be ‘holy of holies’ and the other an embarrassment to religion?

    in reply to: Kesuba vs Kollel #2100774
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    Dear Always,

    Kollel is not the modern day front lines. Leaving your family most of the day to go teach Torah somewhere is. As well as moving out to be a rabbi in middle of nowhere.

    in reply to: Opulence Worshippers #2100772
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    Dear Common,

    I did a lot of research. The rumor is that Rav Aaron had such a standard for his yeshiva, but held that it did not apply to other types of mosdos. I’m not sure. Take it or leave it. This seems to hold up somewhat with the honorees of the BMG dinner. Though I was told that Rav Aaron himself made an exception once. Some Lakewood Yeshivos put a good face on the effort. Some don’t.

    Here are three that seem to be genuine about it. Bais Binyamin of Stanford. Maybe that’s why they had no money. Yeshiva Zichron Moshe of South Fallsberg is said to have such ideas. They don’t have a regular dinner as far as I can tell. Zichron Meilich has a dinner every year, with such an idea.

    in reply to: Visiting the Har Habayis #2100087
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    Dear Avira,

    And your problem with that thinking is that you believe it is one and the same. By your way of thinking, mitzvos are just Torah based political thoughts.

    in reply to: Supreme Court Rules – States Can Ban Abortion #2100086
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    There will be more abortions next year than any year in the last thirty years. Which fits well the neo-conservatives idea of morality.

    in reply to: what is a woman #2100085
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    Dear Young, and?

    If we really value The Torah Way, how do you feel threatened by a political figure cheering on some unintelligible social celebration? Even if he is the President.

    in reply to: BAN SEAFRIA. #2100043
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    Dear Big,

    The discussion in those sources is about teaching Torah to women. That means that the students are female. Not what gender the teachers are. I would discuss either with you if you try to get anything straight.

    I’m not ranting. The fact is that Sefaria got their translation from Steinsaltz. In your view, what is the difference between lying and research?

    The problem with Haupttman is not that she is a woman. She, and nobody like her, had any impact on their translation of the Talmud.

    There are no mefarshim on that page. Only links. Can you answer if you played her song, and why you decided to click on the embedded video?

    I looked up those pages from your first mention of them. I’ve been calling your bluff the whole time. Here’s a tip. Before you make outrageous statements online, think what would happen if just one person with a different view takes the time to check it up.

    in reply to: Visiting the Har Habayis #2100038
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    Because you refuse to recognize the hostility of the world to morality in general and Jews in particular, every aspect of Torah, Mankind, and History, is subject to change and up for debate.

    How sad.

    in reply to: Chaveirim, Yidden, and Lomdei Toirah, be malveh me your Oznayim #2100033
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    I think it’s the opposite. Our yeshivishe shprach lends itself to a lot of ambiguities. It covers up for when we don’t know what we are saying. Being that for most in yeshiva today English is our first language, our brains would have a clearer understanding of what we can put into clear English.

    I’ve heard people ramble endlessly trying to make a point in some yeshivisha sefer that could be succinctly put into one sentence. The general grasp of subject matter in the yeshiva world today is terrible. We talk about ‘ameilus’ and ‘iyun’ and ‘lomdus’. How about ‘havanah’?

    in reply to: what is a woman #2100028
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    Be a Yid on your own. Don’t expect the goyim to do it for you. We would have ceased to exist long ago, if we had subscribed to Judeo-Christian values as the basis of we are.

    in reply to: Visiting the Har Habayis #2099654
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    Dear Syag,

    Beware of your own advice! It may apply to you as well.

    in reply to: Visiting the Har Habayis #2099647
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    Dear Syag,

    Those that go onthe temple mount also have their own Rav.

    in reply to: Visiting the Har Habayis #2099615
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    Dear Syag,

    “You can’t pull a “different strokes for different folks” in Judaism when halachah is not being followed.”

    I can.

    Lakewood Yeshivos eat before tekiyas shofar.

    Briskers don’t fast on the regular fast days.

    Chasidish men shave their heads.

    Stolin davens the whole pisukei dizimrah out loud.

    Many people daven Shacharis late in the morning. And Mincha after sundown.

    Some light the menorah inside, others light outside.

    It is common to dance on Shabbos. Just about everybody dances on Simchas Torah.

    There is a widespread minhag to eat inside on Shemini Atzeres.

    Sometimes, different Jews do things differently.

    in reply to: Visiting the Har Habayis #2099611
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    Dear Avira,

    Rav Moshe did not tell his sons that they were doing things that he held to prohibited. He never thought of himself as God’s policeman. Maybe he left that for you.

    in reply to: GAS PRICES #2098893
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    Dear Common,

    It is much more expensive to clean sand oil. Guinea has only high sulfur diesel. They have zero refineries. It is all imported from Europe and the USA.

    Any way you want to have it, the sole purpose of the Keystone Pipeline is to send Canadian oil to Europe. The parts that service our oil infrastructure is all built. Almost none of the locals want that last phase. Especially after they saw what happened in Texas and other States.

    in reply to: Visiting the Har Habayis #2098894
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    Rabbi Tendler is on par with the average ‘talmid’ of a great goan. Because Rav Moshe’s main talmidim all kept a low and humble profile, he stood out. Unfortunately, it is the norm for the next generation to extend – and in rare cases even distort – the positions of their Master.

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