HE also writes:

???? ???? ??? ?? ??? ???? ????? ????? ????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ????? ??? ?’ ????? ??????? ???????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ?’ ??????? ???’ ?????? ????? ???? ?? ???? ?”? ?? ?????”? ?????? ?????? ????? ???? ??’ ?? ?????? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ?? ??????? ???????? ??

??????? ?????? [emphasis his]

?? ????? ?? ????? ????? ???? ??? ?”? ???? ?? ????? ?? ??? ??

??? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ???? ??? ???? ??? ????? ??????? ????? ???? ??????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?????? ?? ??????? ???????? ??

??????? ?????? [emphasis his]

???? ?? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ?????? ?? ?? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ???? ????? ?? ????? ?”? ????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ?? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ?”? ?? ???? ???? ???? ????? ??? ????? ?? ?? ??????? ??”? ?????? ??????? “?????? ??????” ???? ?????

This is also brought by R’ Ovadia Yosef in Yabia Omer Orach Chaim 6:41. He refers to it as:

???? ??? ??? ???? ??????? ???? ???? ?? ????? ???? ??????? ?? ???? ????? ????? ??? ?????? ??????

Some of the signatories were:

R’ Tzvi Pesach Frank, R’ Yechezkel Sarna, R’ Zalman Sorotzkin, R’ Yechiel Michel Tikuchansky, R’ Shlomo Yosef Zevin, and R’ Shlomo Zalman Auerbach.

Avi K:

I didn’t say anything about G-d’s opponent. Just that the fact that something happens doesn’t automatically mean that it’s a good thing.

R’ Kasher writes:

?? ????? ????? ????? ??? ?? ??”? ?? ???? ????? ???? ??? ????????? ???? ????? ?”? ??? ????? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ????? ?? ?’ ?????? ??????? ??? ??? ??? ???? ?? ??? ??? ??? ??? ?? ???? ??? ????? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ?? ?????? ??? ???? ?? ?? ??’ ?????? ???’ ???? ?”? ???? ??????? ???? ??? ??? ????? ????? ??? ?? ???? ???? ????? ????? ???? ???? ??????

???? ?? ???. ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ?? ??’ ?????? ??? ?’ ???? ??”? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ?? ????? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ?? ????? ??? ????? ??? ?? ???? ???? ???? ???

Yosi7:

To address some of your points:

1) When we say ??? ??? ??? ?????? are we saying that H’ should tear up halachos?

2) About Mitzrayim, R’ Shlomo Kluger discusses this and explicitly agrees with Avi K:

???’ ???”? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ?????? ??’ ?????? ???? ???? ??????? ???’ ?????? ???”? ?? ????? ??? ????? ?? ??? ???? ???? ?????”? ??? ????? ????? ?? ??? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?”? ??’ ????? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ???? ?????? ????’ ???? ????? ???? ?? ?????’ ???’ ???? ??? ???? ?? ???? ???? ????? ???’ ??? ????? ????? ???? ???

???”? ?”? ?? ????’ ?? ?????? ???”? ?? ?????’ ??? ????? ?? ??? ?? ?”? ??? ????? ????? ?? ???”? ????? ???? ???? ????? ?? ??? ????? ???

????? ??”? ??’ ???? ??? ???? ??? ???”? ?????? ????? ????? ?? ????? ?? ?????’ ?? ??? ??? ?????? ???”? ?? ????? ??? ????? ?? ??? ?????

?? ?????? ??? ????? ????? ?? ????? ???? ???? ????? ????? ??”? ????? ?????? ???? ???”?

???? ???”? ?? ????? ???? ?? ??? ?? ?? ??? ???? ?? ?????

?? ???? ???? ???

?? ?? ??? ?????? ??????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????? ?????? ?? ??? ????? ????? ????? ?? ??? ???

???? ??? ???? ???’ ????? ????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ??? ?????

????? ?? ?????? ?????? ??? ?”? ?????? ?? ????

Here is the link: http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?sits=1&req=10836&st=%u05D9%u05D5%u05EA%u05E8%20%u05DE%u05D3%u05D0%u05D9

3) About the oaths and the nations giving permission, R’ Menachem Kasher wrote at length about this in Hatekufa Hagedolah. Unfortunately, it is not on hebrewbooks so I can’t link it, and I can’t type out everything as it would probably take me several hours. Tomorrow, I will quote one or two paragraphs.

Yosi7:

He doesn’t say that it’s yehareg v’al yaavor for us.

He also writes:

????? ?? ??? ?’ ?????? ????? ?’ ?????? ???? ??? ???? ???? ?? ????? ???? ??? ???? ????? ??? ???? ?? ????? ??? ?’ ?????? ???? ????? ???? ?? ???? ?????? indicating that H’ was gozer it not that there is a Issur on us. And he says:

???? ?????? ???? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ???

and:

??? ?? ???? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ??? ????? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ??????

indicating that it’s a danger not an issur.

Secretagentyid:

Though I’ll grant that my rejection is not ironclad.

To be sure not everything Rav CHaim Vital says is Halacha. BUT he does not even say this. Rav Chaim Vital quotes the Zohar in bereishis which is talking about Hashem’s oath to keep us in Galus will only be for 1,000 years (the zohar say after 1000 years is because people did not do teshuva). Not talking about the Shalosh Shevuos.

He writes as follows:

??? ??? ??’ ??”? ???”? ?????? ???? ???? ??????? ???’ ????? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????”? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ????? ????? ???? ???? ????? ??? ??”? ?? ????? ??? ????? ?? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ???? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ????? ????? ?”? ???? ??? ???? ???? ??”? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ???? ??”? ?”? ?????? ??’ ?????? ????? ?????? ?”? ????? ??”? ???????? ????? ?? ???? ??????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ???”? ????? ????? ?? ???? ????

??? ?? ??? ?’ ????? ???’ ?”?

Since ?????? ???? ???? ??????? is the Gemara’s source for the oath of ??? ???? ????? ????? then R’ Chaim Vital is either saying that it no longer applies, or he is arguing with R’ Zera that that was ever the oath to begin with.

DaasYochid:

I think it’s a bit of a stretch to say that learning shelo lishmah puts you in the category of Tzadik.

Question:

I see that your list of sources is copied and pasted from Frumteens. Did you look up the sources before posting them here?

“when we had earned, trembling” should be “when we had learned, trembling”

The Ralbag writes:

?? ??? ?????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ?????? ???

?????? ???? ?????

???? ?????

??? ????? ??? ??

?????? ?”?

I don’t think he is using it to mean “Jews”.

Earlier I posted two quotes of R’ Soloveitchik’s position, but I used secondhand (one of them was actually thirdhand)) sources because I couldn’t find my copy of Hamesh Derashot. Well I found it, so here is the firsthand source (although it is an English translation of a Hebrew translation of R’ Soloveithik’s speech in Yiddish):

We all know the story of the “oven of Achnai”. When in the course of a talmudic dispute, a legal discussion over a question of ritual impurity, R. Eliezer ben Hyrkanus tried to adduce miraculous proofs for his view, to the extent that a Heavenly voice proclaimed him to be in the right, the other Sages refused to accept his opinion and ignored those signs. When he then refused to accept the majority view, they banned contact with him – and he remained in that bitter state until his death. Subsequently, the death and suffering of colleagues and students was attributed to their treatment of him. We still remember the days when we had earned, trembling and with tears in our eyes, about R. Joshua b. Hanania standing up and proclaiming: “The Torah is no longer in Heaven!!”

God handed over technical legal matters to the authority of the Sages, to rule on what is clean and what unclean,to decide between obligation and exemption, forbidden and permitted. But in historical questions, not those relating to the legal status of ovens, food, or determination of fixed monetary obligations, but those relating to the destiny of the Eternal People, God Himself decides as to whose interpretation shall become the “law” (the historical development). Nor can anyone dispute the ruling of God in this domain. In the controversy between Joseph of yore and his brothers thousands of years ago, God decided in accordance with Joseph’s interpretation of the historical process. In our days, the Creator of the universe similarly decided that the (historical) “law” will be as Joseph of 5662 (religious Zionists) had predicted – in accord with the view of him who had little faith in the future of East European Jewery and who dreamed of another land and other conditions.

I would like to ask a simple question: what would the yeshivot and Torah scholars rescued from the holocaust – these burning embers taken from the fire – have done if the Joseph of 5662 had not trod a path for them in the Land of Israel, and had not made possible the transplanting of the Tree of Life of Lithuania and other lands in the Holy Land?

I sometimes think that were the great brethren of the “Joseph” of 5662, world reknowned genius personalities in Torah and sublime saints, living today, they would also discern the Divine miracle in the establishment of the Sate of Israel, and they would utter song and praise to the Holy One, blessed be he.

(Excerpted from And Joseph Dreamt a Dream printed in The Rav Speaks)

Regarding question # 1 I have some possibilities, but I didn’t deem them worthy enough to include, since it might stifle the creativity of other people’s answers (assuming that anyone actually reads this).

In my previous post, every time I wrote “Rav Huna” it should be “Rabba Bar Rav Huna”.

Additioally, I retract my suggestion. The Gemara does not say that Rabba Bar Rav Huna responded in writing. The Gemara says ?”? ??? ?? ?? ????. I don’t know why I thought that it was in writing. It could be because the Gemara says ??? ??? ??? ??? ?? ???? ???? ?? ??.

Either way, the ?”? still stands.

Updated list:

Berachos 8a with Maharsha

Berachos 63b with Rashi

Shabbos 63a with Rashi

Eruvin 48a with Rashi

Kesubos 15a

Sanhedrin 42a with Rashi

Avodah Zara 19a with Rashi

Avodah Zara 19a with Rashi (there are two different gemaras on 19a which I quoted)

Horayos 14a

Shemos Rabba Ki Sisa Parsha 41

Medrash Mishlei 10

Rashi Chulin 81a

Rambam Letter

Piskei Riaz Kiddushin Perek 1 7:8

Tzava’ah of Rabbeinu Yaakov Ba’al Haturim

Shu”t Rivash Siman 271

Shu”t Maharik Siman 169

Orchos Tzadikim Shaar Hatorah

Maharal Tiferes Yisroel Perek 56

Maharal Nesivos Olam Nesiv Hatorah Perek 5

Maharal Chiddushei Aggados Sanhedrin

Maharal Gur Aryeh Parshas Vaeschanan

Maharal Derech Chaim Avos Perek Shishi Ose 7

Maharsha Bava Metzia 85a

Shelah Maseches Shavuos 22, 25-35

Vavei Ha’amudim 5:14

Tzava’ah of the Shelah’s son R’ Sheftel Ose 26

Derisha Yoreh Deah 246

Maadnei Yom Tov Hakdama

Kli Yakar Amudei Shesh Amud Hatorah

Shach Yoreh Deah 246:5

Chavos Yair siman 124

Mishnas Chachamim

Yaavetz

Sifsei Yeshanim

Binyan Ariel Parshas Haazinu

Chayei Adam Hakdama Acharona

Chayei Adam Hakdamah Kolleles

Pri Megadim

Panim Yafos Genesis 22:1

Even Shlaima 8:2

He’aros ??

Even Shlaima 8:7

Hakdama of the Gra’s sons to Biur Hagra

Darchei Noam

Shulchan Aruch Harav Hilchos Talmud Torah 2:1

Teshuva Me’ahava Pesicha

Aliyos Eliyahu Ose 77

Toldos Adam Perek 3

Chasam Sofer Chullin 7a

Derashos Chasam Sofer

Pele Yoetz Asupa

Pele Yoetz Girsa

Pele Yoetz Yesod

Ohr Yisrael Iggeres 27

Mivchar Kesavim p. 168

Mivchar Kesavim p. 186

Hamaor

Dor Revii Hakdama

Mishnah Berurah Hakdama

Chofetz Chaim Likutei Amarim perek 4

Chofetz Chaim Likutei Amarim perek 5

Lev Aryeh hakdama

Hachana Deraba Ose 6

Yalkut Hagershoni Chagiga 5a

Eimek Haberacha Ma’amar 4

Shu”t Beis Ridvaz Hakdama (and tzava’a)

Seridei Eish letter

Bihyos Haboker Ose 42

R’ Eliyahu Feinstein

R’ Yehoshua Leib Diskin

R’ Elchanan Wasserman

R’ Baruch Ber Leibowitz

R’ Yaakov Kamenetzky

R’ Moshe Feinstein/R’ Yaakov Kamenetzky Haskama to TenuKavodLatorah

Igros Moshe Yoreh Deiah 2:110

Igros Moshe Yoreh Deiah 3:87

Mishnas R’ Aharon Ma’amarim Sha’ar Sheini Siman 10

Shu”t Tzitz Eliezer Hakdama

Shu”t Mishneh Halachos 8:247

Midor Dor Siman 8 Ose 5

Midor Dor Siman 8 Ose 6

R’ Elazar Menacham Man Shach

R’ Berel Soloveitchik

R’ Moshe Chevroni

R’Aharon Yehuda Leib Shteinman Leading With Love p.81/Orchosecha Lamdeini p. 69 (It’s the same letter, one in English and one in Hebrew)

R’ Michel Yehuda Lefkowitz

R’ Yosef Shalom Elyashiv

Shu”t Yabia Omer Hakdama Ose 6

Shu”t Yabia Omer Hakdama Ose 7

Shu”t Yabia Omer Hakdama Ose 9

R’ Moshe Shmuel Shapiro

Shevet Halevi 2:57

R’ Moshe Tzuriel

Iyun B’Lamdut Mavo