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You should email her this whole thread.
Showjoe:
You are talking about a different issue. The only thing I was talking about is the fact that girls have nothing to do. So they might spend their time doing things that they otherwise wouldn’t/shouldn’t be doing. I am not trying to eradicate movies. But it sounds like Letakein Girl doesn’t inherently want to be watching movies all day; she just has nothing else to do. If she had something else to do she would gladly do it. (Correct me if I’m wrong, Letakein Girl.) I was merely suggesting that if were able to learn Gemara. they would always have something to potentially do. Obviously they wouldn’t be learning Gemara all day, but it would alleviate the problem somewhat. Especially considering that since they don’t have a chiyuv to learn, the Yetzer Hara not to learn is much smaller. And learning Gemara can be very satisfying.
All this has nothing to do with boys. They have their own issues which I wasn’t discussing.
Here’s my syllogism:
1) Everyone has a bashert
2) Some people don’t want to get married
3) Ergo, some people don’t want to marry their bashert
Werewolves don’t bite them because theydon’t like the muggle taste.
PAA: What prompted your change in opinion that causes you to sing a new tone?
Well three years ago I wasn’t advocating any position vis-a-vis suport; I was just discussing the issue of wanting a kollel son in law without having to pay for it. The reason why I sing in a new tone is (I hope) that I am a better person than I was three years ago, or at least that I am more cognizant of the fact that there is a person at the other end with feelings even in an anonymous forum.
Letakein Girl:
You were mechavein to me
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-are-some-people-so-smart/page/3#post-533544 (particularly my last paragraph)
Popa:
What thread do I have about confounding things?
The Beis Mordechai (Mechkarim B’halacha siman 40) says it nicely:
?????? ?? ??? ??? ????”? ?????? ???? ?”? ?”? ???? ?????? ????”? ??? ????? ????”? ??????? ??????? ?”? ?”? ??? ???? ?? ????? ?? ????? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ?’ ????? ?’ ????? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ??? ?? ????? ??? ???? ??? ?? ????? ??? ???? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ???? ?????”? ??????? ?? ???? ???????
?? ?? ???? ?? ???? ????? ????? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?? ??? ????? ????? ?? ?????? ????? ?????? ???????? ??? ?? ???? ????? ????? ????? ??? ???? ????? ??? ???? ?? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ???? ??????
DaasYochid:
Particularly these two posts:
And therefore the chiyuv of Talmud Torah dissipates? I don’t think it works like that.
Are you upset at people who value learning?
I would not write like that nowadays.
I explained in my not yet approved post.
Well I don’t completely disagree with my former self. I mostly disagree with my tone. (This is an example of what I meant in my comments thread when I said “Additionally, several of the quotes here are from threads from three years ago when I first joined the coffee room, and I may have said some things in the follies of my youth which I would not say now.”)
I do agree with myself that it’s a catch 22.
And I pretty much agree with what you’ve said now.
And once you brought up a thread from three years ago, check out this http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/getting-rid-of-the-status-of-moser#post-263556 which I believe is the first pun using my name in the coffee room and it was made by………………………… ………………………………… DaasYochid!
DaasYochid:
The one time you agree with me, I disagree with myself.
Randomex:
It doesn’t specifically refer to the post being responded to. It refers to the most recent post.
As for the actual question:
Chizkiyahu said ??? ?????? ??? ???? ??? ??? ??? ???? ????? ?? ???. Why didn’t he say ??? ?? ??????? ???? ?? ???? ??? ??? ??? ???? ????? ?????
Presumably then, the kal vachomer is from the Shunamite as opposed to from the kid. If that is the case then we have a problem – by the Shunamite, the one who did the good deed was the one who got helped whereas by Chizkiyahu, the one getting helped was not the one doing the good deed. So the kal vachomer is no good. Unless you say that the good deed of King Solomon was so much greater than the good deed of the Shunamite that it outweighed the fact that it wasn’t Chizkiyahu himself who had done it. But we don’t usually make kal vachomer’s like that. (Perhaps one could say that Chizkiyahu wasn’t using the actual middah of kal vachomer, inasmuch as he was just making an argument.)
I know this didn’t actually address the question.
Just to clarify:
Even though I’m serious, I’m joking around so don’t take it personally.
I’m not sure how you determined that those were the only two factors. :-/
There was a third factor (which I in fact mentioned there) but the Hebrew translation was supposed to get around that factor.
The Seventh Lubavitcher Rebbe (taken from Shulchan Hamelech Chelek 3 1:14):
???? ?? ?? ?????? ??”? ????? ????? ??? ????? ???”? ???? ??????? ??? ?????? ???????? ?????? ??????”? ??? ???? ?????? ??? ?????? ?????? ??????? ?? ???????? ??”? ??”? ????”? ?”? ??????? ??????? ?? ????? ????(????? ?? ??? ?”? ??”? ????”? ????? ?????? ??????) ???? ????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ?? ?? ????? ??? ??? ????? ?????
??????? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ?????
(????? ??????? ???? ????? ??? ?????? (?? ????? ?? ??? ????? ??? ?? ????? ???? ??????? ??’ ????”? ?????? ???????? ???? ????? (‘????? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ???? ????(?? ????? ??’ ???’ ????? ????? ??? ?????? ?????? ??????? ????? ????? ??’ ????? ????? ????? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ?????
???? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ????”? (???? ?? ????? ??????
??????? ???) ????? ?????”? ?????? ????? ?????? ??????? ????? ??? ??? “???? ??? ???????” ??? ?? ?? ???? ????? ????? ?????”? ??? ????? ??? ?”? ??? ???? ?? ???? ???? ????? ?????”? ?? ?? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ?????? ??? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ??? ????”? ?????? ????? ???? (??? ?? ???) ???? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ???”? ???’ ???? ??????? ?????? ????????? (“???????”) ???? ?????? ??????
[emphasis added]
????? ?? ?????? ????? ????? ???????? ????? ????? ?????? (???? ?? ?????? ??????? ???) ?? ??? ????? ???? ??”? ???? ????? ??????? ??? ???? ?????
?????? ????? ?? ??? ????????? ????? ??????? ???????? ??”? ?????? ?????? ???) ????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ???”? ????? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ??? ????? ???”? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????
??? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ????????
???? ??”? ?”????? ???”(????’) ???? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ????
?? ???? ?????? ????? ????? ???? ?????? (??? ????? ??? ?”?????” ???? ???????) ?”????? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ??'” ?
He doesn’t specifically mention Gemara, but the general thrust of what he is saying would include it.
Don’t argue with Sam. Shehalacha kemoso b’chol makom
As far as I know, the only Tanna/Amora about whom it was said ????? ????? ??? ???? was excommunicated shortly thereafter.
I claim disproportionate retribution (and wall-of-text syndrome)
in the Ir Miklat thread.
Does that mean that you agree with my three years ago self?
Is there one that means that what I said was actually serious but I don’t want the moderators to get insulted so I put in an emoticon? (You can read this post with an emoticon too if you so desire.)
(Randomex, you need not follow the asterisk. Actually, scratch that; you’re probably the only one reading this so if you don’t follow it no one will.)
Apparently the students are outshining the teacher*, as I at least point out when I am addressing the original question.
Disclaimer: I linked the thread solely because of the usage of the phrase “talmid outshining his rebbe”. No comment on the content of that thread.
That was the closest I’ve ever come to using an emoticon. I actually put one in but I just couldn’t bear it so I deleted it.
Which emoticon?
An assumption supported by the data of at least five attempted postings. But you’re right; it could be that the Moderator was fine with Freudian Psychology and just doesn’t like Patur Aval Assur.
I’m not sure how you determined that those were the only two factors. :-/
SayIDidIt:
My profusest of apologies (Randomex, I think I just made up another word).
By the way (SayIDidIt, not Randomex), my response to you from the PROJECT IMPROVE thread can be seen on my profile page since the moderator(s) did not want Freudian Psychology in that thread. But you might have some trouble deciphering it since all the Hebrew letters were converted into question marks.
That is, by the way, an assumption
It would tell me the specific location of the joke,
unless you were to claim that all our posts up to your
claim that there was a joke were part of the joke.
Something like that, I think.
I was going to ask what one is supposed to do when logic and common sense are at odds with each other but then I decided that your post might have only meant that not everything that makes logical sense is common sense but not that something which is common sense could defy logic.
What I mean is that at the time that I followed the asterisks, I was not yet aware that I had provided the wrong link so when you said “The final link was meant to be this, not the same as the fourth” I had no idea what you were referring to. In retrospect it does seem a bit foolish of me not to have realized that.
I was assuming that “previous post” would refer to the one I was responding to. Perhaps I was wrong to assume that.
Randomex:
I have now responded in both of those threads. And while we’re on the topic, you owe me about five responses in the creative writing thread (and perhaps in the wizard of oz thread).
Randomex:
As per http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/good-jokes/page/34#post-545021 I am reponding.
The only thing I didn’t address was your reference. I assume it was your way of calling “troll”, perhaps based on http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/the-troll-slaying-brigade#post-428264 but it could very well be that I’m not getting it.
I didn’t mean “previous post” – the question was not in your previous post. I probably should have just written “question” without “previous”.
Well you said I didn’t have to follow the asterisks. It happens to be that I did follow them; I just hadn’t realized that you were correcting my mistake.
So PAA, are you admitting that the discussion you were having, which you claimed is “a real joke which will make people happy/laugh”, did not have anything funny to it (and if it did, you didn’t “get it”)?
If you replace “and” with “or” then I will admit to the part in parentheses.
Interesting – now Cozimjewish’s link actually worked for me. I wonder what changed since this morning.
R’ Moshe Shternbuch in Chachma V’daas also rejects the Ohr Sameach’s pshat:
???? ???? ???? ????? ??”? ??”? ?????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ???? ???? ????? (???? ??:) “??? ?????? ???? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ????? ???? ??????” ??? ??? ????”? ?????? ?????(?”? ?”?) ????”? ?? ??? ????”? “????? ??? ????? ???? ?? ????? ???? ????? ????? ??? ??? ?????” ?????? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ????? ?? ?? ???? ??”? ????? ??? ??? ???? ????? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ????? ????? ????? ????? (???? ???) ???’ ?? ????? ????? ?????? ???
???? ?? ????? ???? ???? ????? ?? ???? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ???? ??? ????? ??? ?? ????? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ????? ?? ?? ??? ?? ???? ?????? ???? ????? ???
?? ??? ????? ????? ?? ???? ???? ??? ?? ?? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ????? ?? ???? ????? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ??”? ????? ??? ?????? ???? (????”? ?? ?????) [?????? ?? ????? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???”? ????? ??? ????? ?? ????? ???? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ??
[??? ????? ??????? ??
??? ?? ????? ?? ???? ???? ??? ????”? ??? ??? ????”? “??? ??? ???? ???? ?????” ?????? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???? ??? ????? ??? ??? ?? ??? ???????? ?? ?????? ???? “??? ??? ???? ????? “??? ???
He then quotes the Seridei Eish and then gives his own pshat:
??????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ???? ????? ??????? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ???????? ?? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ??? ?? ????? ??? ?? ?? ???? ?? ???? ??? ?? ???? ?? ??? ?? ???? ??? ?? ????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ???? ????? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ????? ????? ?? ???? ??? ???? ????”? ???? ???? ??? ??? ????? ?? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ???? ??? ???? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ?????? ??? ??????? ???????? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ?? ???? ???? ???? ???? ?? ??? ?? ??? ?? ???? ????? ??? ????? ???? ?? ????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ??? ????? ?”? ???? ????? ?”? ??? ???? ????
???? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ?? ??? ??? ???”? ??? ???? ???? ??? ???? ????? ?? ???? ?? ???? ???? ??????? ????? ?? ??? ?? ????? ?? ????? ????? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ???? ?? ?? ?? ?? ???? ?? ???? ???? ????? ??? ???? ??? ?? ?????? ????? ???? ???
????? ?? ????? ??? ???? ??? ???? ????? (????? ?? ????? ?????? ????
???? ???? ??? ????? ?? ????? ??’ ????? ???”? ???”? ??’ ??? ?”? ?
(????? ??? ???? ????? ???? ???????
??? ??? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???”? ???? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ???? ????? ???? ??? ????? ??? ????? ?? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ????? ?????
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=19922&st=&pgnum=347
It is unlikely that Dorothy would meet his criteria for leaving.
And the time stamp might have already been saying two weeks for six days, in which case you are indeed running out of time.
The post was not approved. So do I get to find out how I helped you?
And I see you finally took to heart http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/good-jokes/page/33#post-536875
Although I’m not sure why Davar Katan assumed that I was a Mr. a Dr. a Rabbi and a Sir. Interestingly though, the fifth link in that post is the same as the fourth link. It should be http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/soft-matza-this-pesach#post-518792
I also don’t know why Davar Katan assumed that I was a tiyuvta.
The Cheshek Shlomo (Makkos 11b) writes:
????
???? ????????
????? ???? ???? ?”? ????? ?? ???? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ????? ?”? ???? ???? ??? ????? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ???? ???? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ??????? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ????? ??”? ???? ???? ????? ??? ?”? ????? ???? ??? ??? ??? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????”? ??”? ???’ ???? ???? ?’ ??? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ?”? ???”? ???? ????? ??????? ?????? ???? ?? ??? ??
?????? ?”?
According to him Dorothy would be able to leave in order to save someone’s life. (Perhaps one could argue that her Aunt would die from losing Dorothy so returning to Kansas would be saving her life.) However, she would only be allowed a temporary leave. And keep in mind the words that I bolded.
The Aruch Hashulchan in Choshen Mishpat 425:57 writes:
????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ????? ?? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ?? ????? ??? ???? ???? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ??? ?? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ??? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ??????? ????? ?? ????? ???? ???? ??? ?? ??? ???”? ??? ??? ???? ???? ????? [???”?]
??? ???? ?? ??? ????? ???? ???? ??? ???? ?”? ???? ??? ???
????? ??? ?”? ???? ?? ????? ??? ????? ????? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ??? ????? ??? ???? ??? ??????? ???? ?? ??? [?”?] ???
?????? ?? ????? ???? ????? ???? ??? ?? ????? ???? ?? ??? ???? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ???? ??? ?????? ????? [?”? ?] ???? ???? ??? ????? ???? ????? ???? ???? ??? ???? ??? ???????? ??
??”? ?????
He first says something along the lines of the Ohr Sameach but then he adds an interesting sevara – it is unlikely that the murderer would be the messenger of salvation since he caused a death, presumably in accordance with the principle of ??????? ???? ?? ??? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ??? ????