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To add to DY’s post:

To heed the words of the chachomim, you don’t even have to consider them more likely to be correct than you–you just need to realize that Hashem wants you to.

????? ????? ???, we’re employees. We just do whatever the baal habos says to do, and whatever the people He tells us to listen to say to do.

maybe it’s like matza on pesach acc to the sefardim

Sam,

That is not completely clear. I read an op-ed on an israeli site today (perhaps the one ROB has been reading), which argued that the new law is not good enough, inter alia, because the quota of chareidim could be satisfied only through ones who were anyway not learning. It seems there are some who davka want the chareidim to stop learning and view that as a goal in itself.

If that is in fact part of the motivation for the law, then it would be fair to state they are trying to put people in jail for learning.

I’m pretty sure the dating websites have a PM function.

Why don’t you just say the name of the website you’ll both join. And then look for anyone who matches what you’re looking for.

pba: and what of the JP article? If you’re just going by what is the absolute truth, was it so bad?

The fact is that the atzeres was about the draft bill. The chareidim don’t want to serve in the army – so is it a lie to say “so only other Jews die in war”?

Yes, that was a lie. It imputed the intention as “so only other Jews die in war”.

Do you not see a difference there?

The equivalent would have been if YWN’s headline had read:

“Most Modern Orthodox Jews don’t daven with a minyan because they don’t care about Hashem or the mitzvos.”

With a story reading:

“In a recent study released, it was proven again that Modern Orthodox Jews are not really Orthodox, and could care less about keeping the Torah. While it is fact that more than half of them live within 18 minutes of a shul, a majority declared that they do not attend shachris on a regular basis. They wake up and eat a leisurely breakfast with one message: Torah and Mitzvos are for old fashioned chareidim. What was even more astonishing was their complete honesty regarding the bankruptcy of their entire school of faith and study.”

Yeah, that’s how the YWN article would have read if Yori Yanover had written it.

Ooh, let’s have a name that song game.

I’ll start. The first words are kel olam.

Incidentally, is your name saying you need help with seminaries, or is it, “need seminary! help!”

writersoul: I don’t think you could have said the same thing about the “most modern orthodox don’t daven with a minyan” headline. That headline merely presented a synopsis of the study, which was true.

I think GAW refers to a certain Jewish Press headline that was pretty outrageous. I saw it today, but don’t remember the wording.

As a result, I’m pretty much writing off the Jewish Press. I don’t plan to ever buy it again.

Well, then it’s money which is the problem–not your parents.

Forget your parents? Would you get married if you didn’t have a way to pay rent on your apartment and buy food?

Presumably this is a purim thread about shidduchim.

Well in that honor, I present a goldy oldy. http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/funny-information-calls-you-got-about-a-girlboy-for-a-shidduch?view=all#post-142397

And what reminded him of it?

I don’t know where you get your information from, but the minhag in yeshivos was to get drunk.

Sam, this the basic answer I’d give to your question. I’m aware that the mishna berura and it seems the halachic consensus is to not get drunk. But in yeshiva we did, and in my father’s yeshiva they did, and from what I can tell in rav yisroel salanter’s time they did.

Yes, but Rav Yisroel Salanter would get drunk on purim such that he was lying under the table drunk. And that as soon as they klapped for maariv, he stood up and was as if completely sober.

And there’s a sefer hasaba mislabodka which has a piece on it from on of the alter’s talmidim Rav Dovid Leibowitz (founder of Chofetz Chaim) that talks about the mitzva of getting completely smashed on purim and explains that even though usually getting so drunk is disgusting, it is a mitzva on purim. (I can’t find it online)

It’s funny how most people think the Rama is a kula and want to be “machmir” like the S”A. For some people though, the S”A is a kula. They would be yotzei the halachah with the Rama but they want an excuse to get drunk so they are meikil like the S”A.

Well, because if you do like the rema, the mechaber holds you aren’t yotzei. But if you do like the mechaber, everyone holds you are yotzei.

Hence it is a chumrah.

Sam: Did the rema then expect you to go around breaking stuff on purim without being drunk?

It’s enough that I don’t get drunk on taanis esther.

Stomp on a Sefer Torah!! C’mon, you need to find a nicer way to say that something is inappropriate!

Here you have a thread where people are advocating actually being mevazeh mitzvos and part of tanach, and your issue is my analogy?

maris ayin applies to not do a mitzva?

And if I’m machmir like the mechaber then what?

You’re saying frei people do more aveiros because I do mitzvos on purim? Yesharim darchei Hashem, tzadikim yelchu bom ureshaim yikashlu bom.

I think the question should be “How many of us ashkenazim are really decendant from Khazzars?”

The Sephardim did/do a much better job of protecting their bloodline.

You should say they did a better job of protecting their bloodline from false allegations (shall we call them blood-libels?).