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Here is my thinking on it. I don’t think that the purpose of punishing people is revenge; I don’t think the purpose is to make people happy that he was punished for hurting us; I think the purpose of punishing people is because we think it is justice and this the correct and proper thing to do.
I think that society decides that certain things are wrong and immoral. And if people do things which are wrong and immoral, it is right and moral that they should suffer punishment. I think this is natural law.
And to me, if a society doesn’t think that it has the moral imperative to punish moral crimes, then it is because they don’t really believe that the crimes are immoral. And when society refused to punish crimes, it demonstrates to the public that society does not consider the crime immoral.
Thus, I believe it is absolutely a moral imperative that ???? ?? ???? ???? ??? ????. And when society does not do so, it displays to everyone that it is not that bad to kill people. And that has an effect on society, and makes people more likely to kill.
Is there any tzad l’hachmir for an ashkenazi? I really am enjoying not shaving. How about if say I won’t shave until the next friday?
Maybe one day Hashem will give you CLARITY in this.
i hope not. I don’t want to have to shave yet
American Communist.
Oh. What type of sushi?
I dunno, but probably a simple one like tuna avacado. or salmon avacado.
Then we bough Moose Drool (it’s a beer from Montana)
Sam, Ben,
Re: Rabbi Schachter’s issue. I wasn’t aware he held that. You both say he mixes meat (and would eat say hot dogs) because we check for the miut hamatzui, but I’m not sure why only a miut hamatzui is a problem, and not any rov. Is there some sort of rov in the gemara that even 1/60 cows don’t have any of the other treifos?
But the real issue I was driving at is: Does the gemara say that R’ Yehuda held you can’t mix milk? no. Does it say that we are allowed to because it is less than 1/60? no. It kind of seems like DY’s answer is correct.
And as far as that the cows are known in the dairy which one has stapled stomach, can we discuss that a bit?
The rov of rov beheimos used is a ruba d’leisah kaman, so we aren’t using the lomdus of kol d’parish, rather, the rov is paskening that there is no treifah at all. But if you call up the dairy, you can easily determine that in fact some of them are treifos. So then we’d need your ruba d’isah kaman of kol d’parish (is this kavua?), but, like you say you can’t have a rov there because you know which are which–you can only have a rov once it is parish but by then it is all mixed together. yah, that sounds pretty bad.
But that problem is only for non-CY which has stapled stomachs because then we know some are treif and need the ruba d’isah kaman. But for CY, we can just use the ruba d’leisah kaman, no?
Popa- how about the apples and oranges theory, do you know that one?
Of course. The men are the apples, and the women are the oranges. And why would you think an apple goes together with an orange?
Lemme wonder this, with the caveat that I’m feeling a bit behind the curve here.
So there is a rov that beheimos are not treifos. And that is why we can drink milk usually, and why we don’t need to check if an animal is a treifah in all of the possible ways before we eat it.
But do we ever say that the rov is a super strong 60-1 rov? And if it was, you’d expect some discourse on it with R’ Meir who doesn’t hold of rov except in super majority cases.
So forget that we know about the stomach stapling affecting 14%–how can you drink any milk anyway since there will likely be more than a shishim, if you mix it together with each other? And ??? ????, R’ Yehuda holds ??? ????? ????? ???? ?? ????, so would he hold that if you mix a bunch of cows milks together that you can’t drink it? And how do we mix meat from different cows together, if we only know that they are kosher by rov?
Don’t you kind of need to say like DY referenced above that the rov already paskened and we’re done. Unless you say something like that the milk is never separate since it all goes straight into the tank, but then won’t CY milk have the same problem because of the normal miut treifos?
WIY:
1. I hardly think that calls for that reaction.
2. I don’t see how your version is substantially different in the key parts.
3. I don’t know why you assume with such certainty that the version you read first is the more accurate one.
Oh. What type of deli sandwitch?
They make very nice subs there. I don’t remember what I put on it. I may have gotten sushi also. Yes, I think I did.
I met the guy who runs the high school there, once, when I was shopping at Albertson’s in Seattle. He was a nice enough guy, and we shmoozed for a few minutes. Then I got my sandwich from the deli and ate it all up.
popa_bar_abba: What city and state is your shul located in?
I decline to answer. It is even against the CR rules for you to be asking.
I’m sure you’ll respect that I might have an interest in keeping that private.
Okay, are you making this all up or not?
Not making it up.
Just for the record: Pig Hooves are not kosher; you cannot eat them.
Sorry for looking like a mod, but I had an important point to make.
Confused? You can just ask.
I know, haftara is like my fave part of shul, after kiddush club. That’s part of why I stay for it, and we only meet afterward.
Torah: I have no idea how you can be so confident that there is no Pigs milk. If the fish is mislabeled, and the meat is mislabeled, and nobody even cares–what makes you think milk is different.
Besides, who says pigs aren’t kosher. I saw one and it showed me its cloven hooves.
I’ll allow you to back down from that last post without making too much fun.
And I wouldn’t dodge your question. If I didn’t want to answer, I just wouldn’t.
I believe it’s safe to say there are no neviim in the CR
I dunno about that.
You’re still making assumptions.
Let’s count the assumptions in your last post.
1. The speaker is a rabbi.
2. The speaker is the minyan’s rabbi.
3. The speaker is a frum jew.
4. I purposely want to insult that person.
That’s 4 assumptions, and just in your last post.
Nope.
I said that the whole point is to disrespect the speaker.
You said that if so, I should daven somewhere else.
I said there is no where else.
So unless you know why I want to disrespect the speaker, I’m not sure you have anything worth saying. Unless you think that I should rather daven at home.
In that case, grow up and show some respect.
lol. You have absolutely no idea of anything about the shul or the people who speak. And you have the gall to simplify it to “grow up and show some respect”.
lololol
excellent thread. thanks for choosing this one for your bump. (mazel tov, may you grow old together)
Popa – Sounds like a great club. How do I join?
Move to my community. Become friends with me. Maybe I’ll invite you in, after consulting with the other stakeholders.
There is something mildly disturbing about a 1st grader reading Perfidy
Milk sold in the USA is tested.
I don’t think they are testing it for which animal it comes from.
There is no other shul
Of course. I do it davka to disrespect the speaker.
Like I said, mine meets right after haftara, and runs through the speech. We stay for birchas hachodesh on those weeks though.