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Right, yankel you sound soooo smart
The truth is we can’t change what a collective thinks at all and thinking we can to save ourselves is delusional. So there real question is why is this happening and what is the message
Ujm constantly name calling. Calm down. Saying someone is a nochri just makes you sound imichure. Bring an argument to the table at least to refute points or your own thought out oppinions otherwise you sound mad
Your mixing up indoctrination with knowledge and ignorance with lack of indoctrination.
College isn’t knowledge it’s propagandaYou know what happens when people live in an echo chamber and they deal with no adversity. They become delusional and weak get over it
Again “nochrim” name calling. Do you ever have anything educational to say or just name-calling. Get a life
Ideology is the very thing that got Adam and chava kicked out of the garden. God said “from all the trees you may eat of them but from the tree of _knowledge_ of good and evil you may not eat of”
You listened to the snake who told you that to know good and evil and be self righous will make you like God. But no it does not. It makes you _lose your humanity_
Do you want to be thrown out of eden. Again and again and again? When are you going to learn you lesson? Never?Aren’t we such a kind nation. Such a giving nation
Such a perfect nation.
No. No we are not
We are filled with people with such extreme ideologies they sometimes forget their humanity
Sometimes they even put presentation before their humanity in their day to day interactions.
I think these posts on this website is just a small into the horror and civil horror of our society. Our infantile bickering and name-calling and abject cruelty over a stupid disagreement.
Imagine how cruel we are to each other in the street because of slight differences.
Y’all lauph at me when I keep repeating these lines over and over again cuz here on this very website your prove to me again how right I am about the abject cruelty that brews among us
If we don’t change fast God will change us and he’s showing us everyday how angry He is. Are you going to listen or whatAlso everything is in the hands of G-d if He wants to turn the tables to a specific direction that’s not in our control. The only thing we can control tho is trying to keep biblical law as good as possible. Taking morality and the rules very seriously
Learning real life principles and making sure we aren’t angering God. By treating the poor unfairly, being unjust, or lying in business. You know like real life right and wrongActually your wrong cuz take the olevers YouTube video of Lakewood, another guy did a video of chabad that was extremely positive and everyone thought he was taking about Orthodox….so…they just saved us. Say thank you
College is a scam.
I don’t think we should just be voting on how Vance impacts us we should be voting on whether he is decent and moral which he is. It’s not always about us and our motives as In the past we’d vote Democrat if they promised us whatever we wanted. Which if someone is immoral and stands for immorality but we would vote because he would give us what we want….that’s a little corrupt if you ask me.
Someone with proper morals isn’t just good for “us” we aren’t the only people that exist but it would be good for the safety of humanity wherin we exist. And I think Vance would be great for the world. Not just for ourselvesThe amount of bullying on here by querty and the like. Everyone calm down. People are allowed to state their oppion. What’s with the bashing and dehumanizing and bullying my goodness.
If your a Jewish person act like it. Be decent. Otherwise your a contradiction to your own upbringingARSo cuz chazal had an agenda. A fear based agenda….duh
No offense qwerty I respect your oppinion but your full of contradictions and technicalities.
Yankel berel that’s a little bit of a stretch to say that. Calm. Down
Crying that everyone should be moderated cuz you can’t handle adversity is like a liberal crying cuz he didn’t get his participation trophy. If you don’t have a good comeback for someones statement. Closing your eyes to adversity doesn’t make your oppinion better or more true. You can easily be living in an echo chamber of lies
You guys are againts Vance now? Since when
Maybe chabad teach a much healthier outlook on gehenim. See none of us will know the truth till we get there. It might be time we learn from other factions that control and fear are not healthy. And possibly abusive. For example take a real life scenario if I told you you had to do what I want otherwise you’ll go to hell. Does that um garner respect, faith, trust, love etc etc or does that garne fear, resentment, control, pain, suffering
See what I did here. Fear based thinking stems from a need for control and manipulation. I don’t think G-d is manipulative or controlling. You might want to read the Torah again but this time through the lense of being an all loving entity and not a screaming don’t you dare monsterNo, you got played. Also nobody can garentee the supernatural
Stop threatening people too, “daring hashem to do something”
You have no grasp of reality. Difference of oppion isn’t punished by God. Your allowed to have difference of oppion and different things you agree with that’s called critical thinking and that’s human. If God didn’t want us to have different opinions he wouldn’t have created us with different brains and circumstances. I’m not sure which God you serve but you have no grasp of reality at all. Wakeup“lowlife” “lier” “dummy” wow. Relax. Breathe. He just has a difference of _oppinon_
Wow quarty relax nobody is getting at you. You sound like a brainwashed yeshiva bachur screaming slogans rather then fact.
Yes I see your point but, balance bro.
Your allegiance is to “hashem” and your “ideology” but your human you can have a viewpoint that’s a little more well rounded. ChillAlways ask questions where are you getting your info from.
All of america go to college and now their steeped in debt without a job. College is a scamHow bout we all just use common sense and not arbitrary control rules that don’t always apply to reality.
The Torah and reality live together you saying that right and wrong only exist cuz the Torah states it and the Torah states what reality _is_. The reason I’m saying this is because somebody anybody can come and misintprst reality or the Torah and say something the Torah says that the Torah doesn’t say and the way to see that is to know what reality says as well. The only way to know truth is to know it in real life as well cuz the truth and reality mirror what is written. And what is taken out of context and added will not mirror reality at all hence would be considered false. Because existance mirrors the word exactly. If it doesn’t that means it was taken out of context and therefore not true
Your basicly using sheeple mentality to say right and wrong exist. Do you know what right and wrong _is_? I don’t think so same way you can’t agree that common sense is a real life concept
No demoshe right and wrong exist and the Torah reiterates it so you don’t forget it. Right and wrong are concrete concepts that exist. That means if the Torah didn’t exist right and wrong would still exist they are living breathing concepts that are hardwired into the fabric of creation. They are concepts that exist irregardless of words written on a page, ideologies, or belief systems
That means no matter what a person reads or believes in his head he can use real world discernment to understand what the truth is irregardless of written wordQuerty your getting stuck on the nitty gritty details and justifying yourself. We both have different opinions. And that’s that. You have an opinion about chabad I have an option about litvish. It doesn’t matter what the oppinion is about. Stop making it as if your better because of your oppinion.
Are you also one of those that think right and wrong is dependant on beliefs and culture rather then set standards that exist? Cuz sounds like your coming from that camp
I disagree wholly in survival of the fittest, another brainwash mechanism of the elite….survival of the most moral especially in human relationships wins. Animals are not humans even tho we do mirror certain qualities in certain scenarios….but survival of the most moral is how humans servive. The Torah doesn’t tell us that things are wrong and therefore they are wrong. The Torah writes down reality as it _is_ so we don’t go astray and destroy ourselves.
The Torah doesn’t make it wrong, reality does and the Torah is there to make sure we don’t forget it.I’m going to play devil’s advocate here and mirror the behaviour I get here for having litterlly the exact same oppinion about how litvish people treat each other or the insane materialism that goes on in our community and how cruel certain people can be towards each other cuz of every slight imperfection. but it’s ok for you to look at chabad in a negative light of course and say the exact same things I say about litvish because it’s not you is it.
This is what people say to me when I question litvish people
But I’m going to translate it into chabad speak.
“Sounds like you got hurt by a lot of chabad people”
(That doesn’t refute your opinion about chabad your still allowed to point out what is broken)
“Chabad does alot of chessed so their beyond scrutiny thier beliefs or behaviors can’t be questioned)
Right….
You sound like you just “hate” chabad people and you have a axe to grind so we don’t care about your oppinion
So here the deal it’s ok for you to scrutinize chabad people. Have an opinion about their broken system but it’s not ok for me to do the same to anyon but ele because….. Why?You don’t have to be Dan lekaf zechjs everyone. Some people behaviour is not ok. And if you don’t differentiate reality for what it is you can’t stand on principle. I think this thread is stretching who you have to give the benefit of the doubt to….it’s not realistic to give it to everyone and rightous anger or being annoyed at someone who cuts people off is human and normal. Being abnormal or trying to control your human nature isn’t healthy. Just be real and true to yourself. When someone does something wrong it’s not necessary good for them not to be held accountable and you allowing them to get away with it doesn’t serve them. Just be human and real
For example a Democrat and a Republican. Why do Republicans see the truth and Democrats do not because Democrats have been brainwashed and sheltered from reality their whole lives and they can’t or don’t want to admit the truth or they don’t see the truth. That doesn’t make “their” common sense, “common sense” it means they are brainwashed and cannot see “common sense” for what it is. Common sense isn’t based off whims it’s called self understood principles that should be plainly obvious and self understood by everyone. And if you don’t understand basic abc that doesn’t mean you have your own “common sense” it means you simply don’t understand basic abc ok?
Common sense means known fact or obvious fact about something that _should_ be self understood
Like do not murder
Do not steal
Treat people properly.
Like why are you guys missing the forest for the trees. My goodness. Typical yeshiva brainwashing can’t have a normal conversation about basic abc cuz you guys lose the basics for the complex. Wakeup hello we aren’t talking about anything so deep. Stop taking this so farAlso ai will take many jobs prob like…..data entry….prob bubble will pop soon ish maybe
That’s not a fact lol your making an assumption because your trying to use an extreme example to prove a point that proves you don’t know or use common sense yourself. Honestly. Do you know what common sense is and if you ask the worlds consensus, outside the nazi ideology they would all agree they were fascist and they did great evil. So….what’s your point again?
Why don’t friends just get together, make a class for each neighborhood and pay one teacher
Common sense has a specific definition..so it’s quite easy to figure out whos fallowing common sense and who isn’t. The point is you clearly don’t even know what common sense is. That’s ok
You never asked them so you don’t know and clearly your using extreme examples and missing the point of what common sense is. That’s ok
They were not fallowing common sense they were fallowing extreme ideology, propaganda brainwash and getting cought up in the crowd. Stop making up stories
Hitler believes he was fallowing common sense? What? No he didn’t anyone with a brain knows he wasn’t. Stop conflating common sense with extreme evil. The fact that we are arguing about what common sense is and using insane example to refuse that is literally crazy. Please stop
You don’t have to give everyone the benefit of the doubt stop gaslighting yourself. Being nice isn’t the only emotion
“kefira” is often used by high-control groups and certain religious institutions to silence criticism, suppress questioning of authority, and enforce doctrinal conformity. In such contexts, accusations of “kefira” serve not as genuine moral or theological judgments but as mechanisms of social and psychological control. By labeling dissenting views or critical questions as “kefira” leaders can delegitimize opposition without engaging with its substance.
This tactic aligns with broader patterns seen in authoritarian religious environments where challenging leadership or doctrine is equated with spiritual rebellion or moral corruption.
high-control groups frequently employ thought-terminating clichés — vague, repetitive phrases that shut down critical thinking. When members raise legitimate concerns or ask difficult questions, responses often consist of dogmatic assertions like “kefira” or “we don’t think this way” rather than reasoned dialogue.
Qwerty613
So many underhanded jabs. Must give you more points in heavenAnd difference of oppion?
Living in an echo chamber and trying to control reality doesn’t make your ideals stronger and it doesn’t make you a better person just a more sheltered one.
Adversity and difference of oppion is natural because we all have different lives, experiences and perspectives and you cannot carpamentalize all human beings into one way of thinking.
I do value not exposing a person to morally corrupt behavior or bad things but this extreme need for control is delusional thinking.
If your belief system and your way of life cannot handle even one ounce of adversity that you will walk away cuz you can’t handle something as small as an opinion difference, your not becoming a bette person but trying to force a level of control that isn’t healthy and is impossible.
Your truths should be able to withstand scrutiny
And adversit
Your viewpoints should be able to handle _individuality_
But clearly it cannot. That’s not a yeshiva world problem and it’s not a problem that is coming other then your own extreme dogma and need for control
I understand the value in being sheltered and not exposing yourself to a world of moral decay
But at what cost
And also where is the line of balance
And normalcy“chazal say” “so your point is refuted”
Those are not facts
But just an appeal to authority to claim truth. Please stop the bs.
I speak of things unfolding today not 2000 years ago. And chazal is no longer here to witness it. What they said was thier oppinion not fact unless they were God. Which they are not.
Please the Torah says something very very different.
It says “at this appionted time certain things will unfold”
No conditions
No guilt trip
Just reality.
So chazal can say whatever they want but doesn’t make it true
Please stop being a sheep thanksTo querty
So your using authority to prove your point it doesn’t put a monkey rench in my theory. Sorry. Cuz I still speak the truth. Get over it