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Posted this on the wrong thread: Pachad (Hebrew: ???????) is a Hebrew word used in the Torah to convey _dread_ terror, or fear—often describing a profound sense of alarm, especially in response to divine presence or imminent danger.
Meaning: The term denotes a sudden alarm or overwhelming fear, both as a feeling and as the object of fear. It can refer to:
Divine terror instilled in enemies of IsraelPachad means dread, fear
Yirah means _awe_ reverance
The two are distinct and cannot mean the other sorrySome jew I know…..so anything that’s not in the Torah is assur to talk about. So you control all your thinking and only think in line of what you are told …right that sounds very smart.
Relax real life has a caladascope of oppions and perspectives
You know what’s not in the Torah snow white, Harry Potter. There’s lots of things not in the Torah.
The Torah is not a control book it’s a book of principles morals and a guidebook for life.
It’s not sapposed to make you control everything and only let “certain perspectives, beliefs, feelings in” there’s still a calladascope of oppions, thoughts and things that are still allowed even despite it not being in the “Torah” you need to relax and stop trying to control everything including critical thinkingWords can have deeper layers of understanding but it has to be based off the meaning of the word. You can’t make the whole word mean something completly different then the actual meaning. If that was the case nobody would be able to convey proper messages and or put meaning on any word if it can be taken completly out of context.
Pachad (Hebrew: ???????) is a Hebrew word used in the Torah to convey _dread_ terror, or fear—often describing a profound sense of alarm, especially in response to divine presence or imminent danger.
Meaning: The term denotes a sudden alarm or overwhelming fear, both as a feeling and as the object of fear. It can refer to:
Divine terror instilled in enemies of IsraelPachad means dread, fear
Yirah means _awe_ reverance
The two are distinct and cannot mean the other sorryYirah (???????) is a Hebrew word often translated as “fear” in English, but its deeper meaning encompasses awe, reverence, and worship. It describes a profound sense of wonder and holy respect in the presence of God’s majesty, rather than mere terror or dread.
Awe and Reverence: Yirah involves being overwhelmed by God’s holiness, power, and glory—similar to standing at the edge of the Grand Canyon or witnessing a majestic natural wonder.
Does that sound like “fear” to you..no _pachad_ is fear and it has a completely different frequency and meaning.
Yaakov yosef you can’t translate one word to have two distinct meanings sorry. They have complete different frequencies and they garner two distinct experiences.
Qweurty just because shlomo hamelech said there’s a time for fear doesn’t mean he was translating that to mean to “fear” God. That was a blanket understanding of life.
I personally think yirah and _awe_ is much much more in alignment with connection and relationship with God as that’s how humans naturally serve and feel connected to their creator. Pachad or yirah translated as “fear” is not in alignment with the nature of a relationship humans naturally have with God.What? Ivdu es hashem bisimcha means
Serve God with joy
Ivdu es hashem with yirah
Serve God with awe. These are not hard concepts to understand. And yes translating words correctly for their actual translations matter.Your talking undoctrination speak. Just because you can quote studies doesn’t mean you know how to critically think. Studies are manipulated propaganda from special interests most times and it’s an appeal to authority instead of fact. Observation, real life experience is a much better teacher. Please
You don’t need to know sources and all that to have common sense conversations that’s part of the indoctrination. No offense.
I don’t need to know the original study to know that is collasally false. No offense. Look around you? Do the liberals look like they have a high IQ no they don’t. So please put that “study” in the bin it doesn’t mirror reality. ThanksYour both saying to learn the Torah like they tought at har sinia…..maybe yankel berel is just giving more perspective….
Some jew I know and yankel berel your both saying the same things. Lol
“motzia shem ra on klal yisroel. So tell every navi in the past that came to warn the people that klal yisroel can’t handle anyone who tells them their doing something morally wrong. There is no person on earth that does not err. Including the Jewish people as a whole. So why don’t you go look in the mirror see that your human just like everybody else and think about it when someone tells you what’s lacking in your character, because if we always let others sing our praises and never tell us the truth we will never amount to nothing
How does yirah both mean awe and fear. They are two distinct feelings.
Pachad is fear
Yirah means awe.
Yiras haonesh can still translate to awe of consenquences and it still fits.And again you can keep putting your head in the sand, but as the standards rise, people become disconnected from reality, ideology so strong people can’t critically think anymore, you think peoples humanity won’t be affected? Unfortunately I have horror stories that would put the entire nation to shame.
We present as perfect, it’s all a polite facade but when it comes to real morality….some of us…..and its getting worse….are completely disconnected unfortunelyIf you fit in, you don’t toe the line, you say everything your supposed to of course nobody is going to bother you, but for people who can’t measure up to the impossible standards and can’t make ends meet. Dont have it all. It’s a very different attitude they are dealt. So maybe don’t talk until your there ok?
Yankel berel also you clearly don’t know what sheeple mentality means but I’m glad you like the sound of your own voice
Your trying to refute my point by saying common sense is “relative”
So you prob think right and wrong is relative too. Shows you have no grasp of realityYankel berel common sense is basic principle. It’s not that complicated the fact that all of you are arguing about it shows how out of touch you are “hitler thought he was using common sense”… right….
You sound like how abortionists argue, how extremists argue how alot of out of touch ideologically driven people argue.
Common sense is a basic _concept_It means this: Common sense refers to practical judgment based on experience, shared understanding, and everyday knowledge—such as knowing fire is hot, that you should look both ways before crossing the street, or that sharp objects can cause injury. It’s not about intelligence per se, but about applying basic reasoning and awareness to real-life situations.
Alot of it is propaganda and alot of people are easily led astray by the stupidity that’s in there. Alot of sciences are manipulated, even having normal conversations with college educated people is like talking to indoctrinated out of touch unrealistic sheeple that use things like “straw man” and “watchmakers fallacy”
Missing the forest for the trees. Makes me question if any of it is worthwhile including going into debt before your 20 in order to get a job that might not pan outQuerty everyone has a difference of oppion based off their own circumstances, we are not spouting “nonsense” and “kefirah” we are stating a difference of oppion. But that’s an easy way to shut down a conversation and close your ears so you don’t have to listen to different perspectives. Very mature
And also I don’t like chabad but just because they have a difference of oppion about hell, doesn’t make us right and them wrong.
Nobody knows what happens after we die it’s all assumptions and extrmism but if you look at the world and creation I would assume God is a lot kinder then what we claim he is, because humans don’t work well with fear, and God who created us surely knows that.
So……who’s delusional? Your extreme fear based thinking or chabad.
And you have free will and your using your free will to make yourself afraid for no reason which makes you a collasal fool.Your all wrong. Yirah, doesn’t mean fear it means _awe_ and they have very distinct meanings
Querty I love how you think we think sins are not punishable because chabad might say so. Just because someone has a different thought then you, is wiser then you, isn’t brainwashed like you, doesn’t scream at people like you, doesn’t mean they can’t use critical thinking skills you keep showing everyone how closed minded sheltered and out of touch with reality you are. Keep talking it makes delusion and sheeple speak more obvious every time you open your mouth
Right, yankel you sound soooo smart
Ujm constantly name calling. Calm down. Saying someone is a nochri just makes you sound imichure. Bring an argument to the table at least to refute points or your own thought out oppinions otherwise you sound mad
Your mixing up indoctrination with knowledge and ignorance with lack of indoctrination.
College isn’t knowledge it’s propagandaYou know what happens when people live in an echo chamber and they deal with no adversity. They become delusional and weak get over it
Again “nochrim” name calling. Do you ever have anything educational to say or just name-calling. Get a life
Ideology is the very thing that got Adam and chava kicked out of the garden. God said “from all the trees you may eat of them but from the tree of _knowledge_ of good and evil you may not eat of”
You listened to the snake who told you that to know good and evil and be self righous will make you like God. But no it does not. It makes you _lose your humanity_
Do you want to be thrown out of eden. Again and again and again? When are you going to learn you lesson? Never?Aren’t we such a kind nation. Such a giving nation
Such a perfect nation.
No. No we are not
We are filled with people with such extreme ideologies they sometimes forget their humanity
Sometimes they even put presentation before their humanity in their day to day interactions.
I think these posts on this website is just a small into the horror and civil horror of our society. Our infantile bickering and name-calling and abject cruelty over a stupid disagreement.
Imagine how cruel we are to each other in the street because of slight differences.
Y’all lauph at me when I keep repeating these lines over and over again cuz here on this very website your prove to me again how right I am about the abject cruelty that brews among us
If we don’t change fast God will change us and he’s showing us everyday how angry He is. Are you going to listen or whatCollege is a scam.
The amount of bullying on here by querty and the like. Everyone calm down. People are allowed to state their oppion. What’s with the bashing and dehumanizing and bullying my goodness.
If your a Jewish person act like it. Be decent. Otherwise your a contradiction to your own upbringingI don’t think we should just be voting on how Vance impacts us we should be voting on whether he is decent and moral which he is. It’s not always about us and our motives as In the past we’d vote Democrat if they promised us whatever we wanted. Which if someone is immoral and stands for immorality but we would vote because he would give us what we want….that’s a little corrupt if you ask me.
Someone with proper morals isn’t just good for “us” we aren’t the only people that exist but it would be good for the safety of humanity wherin we exist. And I think Vance would be great for the world. Not just for ourselvesARSo cuz chazal had an agenda. A fear based agenda….duh
No offense qwerty I respect your oppinion but your full of contradictions and technicalities.
Yankel berel that’s a little bit of a stretch to say that. Calm. Down
Crying that everyone should be moderated cuz you can’t handle adversity is like a liberal crying cuz he didn’t get his participation trophy. If you don’t have a good comeback for someones statement. Closing your eyes to adversity doesn’t make your oppinion better or more true. You can easily be living in an echo chamber of lies
You guys are againts Vance now? Since when
Maybe chabad teach a much healthier outlook on gehenim. See none of us will know the truth till we get there. It might be time we learn from other factions that control and fear are not healthy. And possibly abusive. For example take a real life scenario if I told you you had to do what I want otherwise you’ll go to hell. Does that um garner respect, faith, trust, love etc etc or does that garne fear, resentment, control, pain, suffering
See what I did here. Fear based thinking stems from a need for control and manipulation. I don’t think G-d is manipulative or controlling. You might want to read the Torah again but this time through the lense of being an all loving entity and not a screaming don’t you dare monsterNo, you got played. Also nobody can garentee the supernatural
Stop threatening people too, “daring hashem to do something”
You have no grasp of reality. Difference of oppion isn’t punished by God. Your allowed to have difference of oppion and different things you agree with that’s called critical thinking and that’s human. If God didn’t want us to have different opinions he wouldn’t have created us with different brains and circumstances. I’m not sure which God you serve but you have no grasp of reality at all. Wakeup“lowlife” “lier” “dummy” wow. Relax. Breathe. He just has a difference of _oppinon_
Wow quarty relax nobody is getting at you. You sound like a brainwashed yeshiva bachur screaming slogans rather then fact.
Yes I see your point but, balance bro.
Your allegiance is to “hashem” and your “ideology” but your human you can have a viewpoint that’s a little more well rounded. ChillHow bout we all just use common sense and not arbitrary control rules that don’t always apply to reality.
Always ask questions where are you getting your info from.
All of america go to college and now their steeped in debt without a job. College is a scamThe Torah and reality live together you saying that right and wrong only exist cuz the Torah states it and the Torah states what reality _is_. The reason I’m saying this is because somebody anybody can come and misintprst reality or the Torah and say something the Torah says that the Torah doesn’t say and the way to see that is to know what reality says as well. The only way to know truth is to know it in real life as well cuz the truth and reality mirror what is written. And what is taken out of context and added will not mirror reality at all hence would be considered false. Because existance mirrors the word exactly. If it doesn’t that means it was taken out of context and therefore not true
Your basicly using sheeple mentality to say right and wrong exist. Do you know what right and wrong _is_? I don’t think so same way you can’t agree that common sense is a real life concept
No demoshe right and wrong exist and the Torah reiterates it so you don’t forget it. Right and wrong are concrete concepts that exist. That means if the Torah didn’t exist right and wrong would still exist they are living breathing concepts that are hardwired into the fabric of creation. They are concepts that exist irregardless of words written on a page, ideologies, or belief systems
That means no matter what a person reads or believes in his head he can use real world discernment to understand what the truth is irregardless of written wordQuerty your getting stuck on the nitty gritty details and justifying yourself. We both have different opinions. And that’s that. You have an opinion about chabad I have an option about litvish. It doesn’t matter what the oppinion is about. Stop making it as if your better because of your oppinion.
Are you also one of those that think right and wrong is dependant on beliefs and culture rather then set standards that exist? Cuz sounds like your coming from that camp