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I think, learning basic moral principles, might help this issue of extreme conformity
If I learn to have basic principles in my life, like hard work, effort, and spending within my means (these are muscles and habits that we need to learn) like going to the store and keeping a budget, first of all it will give us a stronger sense of security inside and make us stronger people overall and it will also help us combat extreme conformity because we get value from what we do, and pride from our work, instead of trying to find confidence from fitting in
The extreme suffocation of socioty is too much and it takes a strong person to do the right thing by himself in his own life because the crowds streighth is so strong
But going to the store and growing those muscles of self control in the small things
Will help us grow our self esteem in the longer term among our peers.
That’s where right and wrong and moral principles and critical thinking comes in even if you have to “go against the grain”
All great people have to stand strong in the face of adversity and it takes great streighth to go against the grain. Be that person for yourself so you can find and feel about your choices in your own life within

Pekak “the shevatim don’t represent the months of the year” you say it with such conviction it must be true.
I never said they weren’t real people. Hard to have an open mind about differant concepts. Isn’t it

So basicly you don’t believe in law and order. Why don’t you let all the thugs out of jail too if you don’t believe in jailers.
Better example break down your door and let everyone into your home all the burglers. Better yet invite them in, and feed them first before your family….actually how bout you give them your house and move to the slums. Oh better idea how bout you live on the street and give them your house….
Appeal to emotion has a problem
Eventually, the empathy becomes enabling. There needs to be a balance of both justice and consideration but you cannot be considerate without boundaries first

This is why I keep saying conformity is an issue.
Our entire lifestyle _is_ conformity. Maybe it’s time we get to the root of the issue which is
Our society does not allow for individualism and this creates this bottleneck of extreme conformity in all facets of life.
It’s a problem

I think in some form who would protect Israel if not the zionists lol like you think you’d be able to live and learn in Israel without an army. Slow much

Chaim87
I agree with you with a caveat. Not everything we do is to “get closer to hashem”
We are here to live, struggle face adversity, learn lessons, be _human_ learn right and wrong and live like human beings. Through living and the our natural falls and throughout life the hand of God will naturally reveal itself to us and through that we will become closer to God out of appreciation.
But I think balance is necessary.
Gluttony overspending does not make a good person
But selling everything you are to worship something else isn’t the answer either. Balance is key. Extremism is not
If the sole purpous of life is to shed our humanness and cling to God which means lots and lots of self sacrifice and suffering. God would have kept us in heaven without putting us on earth to learn who we are. There needs to be balance
Extreme gluttony to extreme extremism, there’s a middle path

Thw shevatim represent every month of the year. When you were born is which “shevet” you are part of. The shavatim flags represents the constelations of the month of the year
If you look of personality of specific shevatim, or “purpous” you will see peoples months align with their nature.

Zionism was the tool God used to get us into the land of Israel. That’s what I’m saying. There’s a lot of examples of things that look bad but ending being a tool for good.
Not sure how you jumped to the holocaust that’s just pure dramatization and lunacy. I would never say that about the holocaust. Thank you

Somejewiknow
Truth will find you no matter what safe space you look at.
“Antisemitic vitroel”
Wow what a nice way of saying you can’t handle anybody who speaks facts.
Cute keep running away from reality. It suits you.

Somejewiknow
Before you read discern, listen, think about you jump to angry vitroel because you can’t handle anyone with critical thinking skills.
Do you know what cognitive dissonance is. It’s you

Yaakov yosef, they fallow their own crowd and have very strict rules among themsleves. You really need to calm down with jumping down people’s throughts. Just because they don’t fallow the crowd or any other crowd they still have their own extrmism among themsleves. And if you observe them you can see that.

Somejewiknow so your saying no one forms their own oppions about anything and if they do their extremists or out of touch with the “status qoa” got you.
People aren’t desighned to fallow authority all the time they are formed to read, learn and come to their own conclusions about things. That’s not a crime but of course you have to include “rabbi kook” to make it look like critical thinking is a crime cute. Carry on with your delusions

Yaakov yosef I’m not talking about shiener. I was just giving examples of how and why and when spending extravagantly might be morally wrong.
Cuz you said it’s not an avairah. Cuz it doesn’t say it anywhere. You don’t need something to be written to know whether something is right or wrong.
But I wasn’t talking about anyone specific just giving examples

Square root sorry about your experience it’s getting obvious that that happens to everyone no matter what they say on here. Sadly

I see a lot of appeal to authority about zionism. Does anyone have their _own_ oppinion or what they think. We can argue what someone said from today till tommarow we will never fully know their intentions anybody have their own oppion

Neutorei karta a bunch of blind sheeple

I think they are a living example of what happens when you fallow the crowd and don’t think for yourself.
I saw them somewhere and I felt very bad for them
You can see on their faces how much of extreme fallowers they are. How they sell themselves for their ideologies and have no self. It’s sad.

Querty did I hear you say “if you draw a horse to water”
Right, so you can villify someone, make fun of someone humiliate them for having a critical thinking oppion, somehow that’s you “drawing a horse to water” the amount of insufferable delusion you live with. Wow. I wonder what mental gymnastics you have to jump through so you don’t have to face reality. Maybe tell us so we can learn how to live a full life without facing reality we really want to know

I also don’t think proving to me how far away you are from whatever. I don’t care. And this isn’t hatred this is reaction by your own sick twisted behavior on how you treat people. Your an insufferable person. First you insult me, villify me call me names. Degrade me humiliate me all over having a normal oppion, and then you have the audacity to say “if you draw a horse to water you can’t make him drink”
Since when were you talking to me in a decent enough manner that I would want to listen to you. All you’ve done is degrade me over the pettiest thing. Please. The only person who needs to change his disgusting behaviour here is you. Please. Your a sick person honestly. Very sick and very sad. I almost feel bad for you. But no actually I don’t

But I don’t want you to get in trouble so don’t take my word for it. Honestly do what makes sense for you and be willing to live with those consenquences

No it’s not my loss quaurty. It’s my gain. I don’t have time for hot air arguments based in la la land. So actually if I were to listen to your dumb whatever, I’d be wasting my time. But thanks so much for your “kindness”
Maybe one day when you look in the mirror and actually look at your actions clearly maybe then you’ll understand why someone might get slightly frustrated with your asinine way of talking.
It’s called rightous anger.
It’s called for especially with how twisted your logic is and how full of holes you are. It’s surprising you made it this far in life without falling smack on your face

You don’t always need paper to tell you basic facts I think science got lost on me when I was reading about baking soda “science says baking soda is very harsh”
I don’t think science needs to spell out the obvious and for any thinking person science _is_ observation. Our eyes can also observe too and see patterns and come to conclusions without controlled settings and the like. So critically thinking first then use science to prove those points I guess. That’s what I do. Not the other way around. Science can easily be taken out of context and used to push an agenda. Reality is very important to know first so you can filter science correctly.

I write in simple language querty so even someone like you can understand. You know what’s also written in 3 year old language so stupid people can understand it. The Torah.
“And Moses said, say unto the nation” yes simplistic speech is important to get the message across. So you don’t misinterpret things you know what I mean
Somehow tho querty despite your so called higher intelligent writing as you claim you can’t get passed three year old logic which is so funny haha