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Rd tietalbaum
Theresa difference between punishment and consenquence.
When it talks about curses that’s the _consenwunfes_ of said action cuz the world was designed a certain way and when you crossover that desighn there are spiritual levers that are activated that make the world change towards whatever choices you make. And yes we can see in real life that those who are to gods word _become_ cursed because that is what happens when you make that choice.
Like I said _everything_ you think is a punishment you see in the Torah is not a “punishment” in the sense that you understand it but realities reaction to certain choices you make.
You just interpret it as punishment because you don’t fully understand how to translate the scary meaning of the words. It seems like punishment to you but it’s a consequence of your choices

Rd tietalbaum “Dogma is described as corrupting free will when it is perceived as an oppressive set of absolute truths imposed by authority that demands unquestioning obedience, thereby constraining an individual’s ability to think independently or question established beliefs. This dynamic can create a fear-based mindset where individuals feel controlled by the threat of eternal punishment (such as hell) for non-compliance, leading them to suppress their own judgment and surrender their identity to external decrees”

“Loss of Autonomy: Dogma encourages accepting external authority over personal moral reasoning, effectively drowning out one’s inner voice and preventing the development of a flexible moral mind”

Does this sound like a just way to understanding right and wrong and making clear moral choices or does this sound more like control doctrine that forces people to fallow blindly and not be able to determine reality for what it is?

Rd tietalbaum I understand why your saying all that because your operating from a place of blind obedience and you also believe that the Torah asks of us to have blind obedience. But that is not how humans were designed and because they are not designed that way I would think that God who created us, knows that about us and wouldn’t ask us to do so.
The Torah codifies morality. It doesn’t demand obedience
It codifies for us consenquences to our actions
It doesn’t demand obedience
Whatever is written in the Torah is talking about what happens to us when we choose not as “punishment” but as consenquences to actions.
The reason why the Torah cannot demand blind obedience is because _life_ is so complex you cannot have blind obedience in life but you _do_ have to have a very strong grasp of morality, to make moral choices, a strong grasp of principles, of faith, and the multitude of biblical and spiritual principles that it takes to live on the earth. All that is codafied in the Torah it’s just easily misrepresented by agenda driven dogma that can confuse principles for fear based thinking.
You are operating from a doctrine mindset of do or die.
And I am operating from a blue print mindset of clear moral guidance for a complicated world, a guidebook for how to be a clear thinking human being on earth.
With your individuality intact
My question for you is, if dogma and control is the name of the game how do you make real life choices?
How do you know truly what is right and wrong if you cannot think for yourself to understand as such and you have to blindly fallow whatever you are told. The reason why I disagree with your viewpoint is, is because you cannot fully live on the real world that way. The rules of do or die do not allow you to navigate the world properly and because it doesn’t allow for critical thinking it cannot be the true mirror of what the Torah is saying because reality and the Torah are symbiotically connected. The two work hand in hand. One side cannot contradict the other. If it does and does not allow a human being to operate how he was designed and created you are misinterpreting the morals written within. The Torah is supposed to guide you as an intact human being, not to control you and force you to conform yourself to doctrine thinking

“True morality requires true freedom because it is defined not by blind obedience to external doctrines, but by moral self-determination, where an individual freely chooses to act according to reason and universal laws they have understood from their own conscious and life experience and understanding. In this framework, a person acts morally only when they are autonomous (self-governing), meaning their actions stem from an internal recognition of duty rather than external coercion, natural inclinations, or fear of punishment

The Bible is not an external book but an internal one. It teaches us morality as a spiritual guide. It is _not_ a doctrine of control it is a book of principles rules and laws of physics which is written into the fabric of our humanity. It doesn’t control us. Its a guide for our intact individualism
It was never meant to destroy our autonomy but to give us a blueprint of this reality so we can guide our complicated virtues in a complicated world.
Not to make us into complete copy robots of one another and take away our individuality

“It would be awesome tho if we could”
Why would it be so awesome? Besides somewhere inside your soul you wish you had the free will to use your own conscience and critical thinking. That somewhere deep inside your soul if the laws your so attached to didn’t exist it meant you are free to choose what you feel and what you believe….

despite there being right and wrong, a person still has free will to make choices based on his own conscience, because that’s how we were designed, for critical thinking. Not for black and white dogmatic thinking.
right and wrong exist and bypassing those realities come with dire consenquences to self and others but we still have the ability to choose and within that ability there is room to make free will choices. Including not living by dogmatic extrmism which was shown above by one of the commentators.

“Dogmatic thinking leads to bullying and the justification of dehumanization by fostering a rigid belief that one’s worldview represents an absolute truth that cannot be questioned or compromised. This mindset causes individuals to view anyone with differing opinions not merely as mistaken, but as enemies or threats to their moral or ideological coalition, stripping them of their individual humanity.

When people hold dogmatic attitudes, they often exhibit several behaviors that directly facilitate harm:

Inflexibility and Dismissal: Dogmatic individuals are unwilling to seek or accept corrective information, leading them to dismiss counterarguments and ignore the perspectives of others entirely.
Tribalism and “Othering”: The belief in absolute truth encourages a sharp division between “us” and “them,” where those outside the group are dehumanized or labeled as inferior, making hostility toward them seem justified.
Emotional Defense Mechanisms: Driven by fear and anxiety about their place in social hierarchies, dogmatic people may use bullying as a way to assert dominance and protect their ego from the perceived threat of being wrong or inadequate”

Dogmatic thinking doesn’t equal truth. It is fear based and control based. It doesn’t allow for real conversation only humiliation and control of those that don’t step in line.
That’s not truth that’s extremism

R d tietalbaum
I appreciate you want to live in a world where everybody wears a straight jacket and lives in unrealistic state of fear. But I have free will. That means I can think for myself and make choices based off my own thinking and make choices outside any control system _i_ choose cuz that’s a god given right and I refuse, because I think it’s unhealthy and unrealistic to live in extrmism. I respect that what you choose to do and that’s what makes you happy but I cannot live that way and I refuse to do so. I choose to see God as loving and caring and albeit sometimes judgment is necessary but I believe and like to believe that God who created us also lives and works from realistic thinking and he will forgive me for using language properly, which is when I want to convey a message and especially a biblical message so others can understand. Exactly in the way language was designed to be used. Thank you tho I appreciate your time

Square root god punishes people because the world requires “balance” so whatever you put out, especially remorseless cruelty, has a Devine reaction that is like a boomerang so strong it usually hits with consenquences that are sudden and shocking.
It’s deserved. Every person generally gets what they deserve especially cruel people. So yep. Nobody is above the law. Especially Devine law.
So they can keep hangering people humiliating them dehumanizing them but gods hand of justice finds those who deserve it.
Sometimes it comes as an illness
Sometimes it comes as a tragedy
Sometimes it comes as suffering
Sometimes it comes in all different ways. But what you put out you get back lol
These people don’t believe in God. Cuz if they truly did they would understand that this world as free as it seems has living consequences.
Choices matter

Somejewiknow
And this is where the “people use religion to justify cruelty”
Comes from lol. Now I get it. Thanks for revealing your cruel rhetoric to all of us. Glad to know that’s what type of person you are.
Did you say you keep the Torah
The Torah says this “treat others as you treat yourself”.
So that would mean respect others despite your differences. I want to see where in the Torah (since you always have to use the Torah for a yardstick and you can’t think for yourself) does it say to treat others badly because of their belief system

Who you talking too querty cuz when you shout into the abyss only your own echo returns. Prob should stop taking before you reveal who you really are

Querty
So your saying because I defended her againts your bullying, which is wrong lol
For someone who claims to believe in “Torah” it’ says “treat others as you treat yourself” you seem to treat yourself one way and treat others another way so your a living can tradition and also defending someone against ugly behavour doesn’t equal endorsing their beliefs.
You really are special aren’t you?

Dr pepper good point. The system only works for the elites

Somjewiknow
My world view is not crooked. You may not agree with it because it doesn’t fallow your extreme ideology but I’ve showed time and again my voice points are more grounded in reality then yours. You can scream all day they are not but just shows how angry you are when people present basic abc to you. Meaning your an extremists in your views and any kind of basic dissent to your extreme oppion isn’t just a basic disagreement but an affront to your whole lifestyle which shows how dramatic you are. Chill

Also your argument mirrors the way alot of people argue. The technical definition isn’t always _the_ actual definition in reality.
For example feminist will argue that feminism doesn’t mean degredation of men because that’s not the “technical” meaning. But in reality the ideology itself translates in the real world as degredation of men
There’s the technical definition and then how it plays out in reality and those are two different things.
There are countless examples of this when it comes to peoples ideologies.
What is written on paper isn’t always how it translates in reality so when you say I don’t “understand anti semitism” I understand perfectly clearly. Your just getting techinical and refusing to see the reality for what it is

Erm, in biblical times the spoke Hebrew? Should we call them blasphemous too.
All language have words that are negative or derogatory
That’s reality
Knowing Hebrew is actually very important lol it helps you understand the biblical world better
I wouldn’t call that “horrifying” that’s a little dramatic.
Lashon koresh is actually words that mirror the exact frequency of reality.
If what your saying is true we would never be able to talk about anything at all about biblical truth because we may say the worda casually.
Words are casual. Language is casual it’s a way to communicate

taking advantage of a system just because you _can_ is wrong. How many woman sighn up as single moms but are married that’s taking advantage of the system.
How many able bodied men arent working but taking money from the govement. That’s not “anti semitism” that’s people taking advantage of the system and our society is currently getting scrutinized for it.
Reality exists
“Anti semitism”
Is starting to sound like “I don’t believe in accountability” “therefore any scrutiny of my possible _wrong_ action” means people hate me.
Delusion much.

Does that make sense? Complicated to explain