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Baruch lesson if you really think you can stop woman from caring about her appearance just cuz she was married means you don’t understand the fundamentals of human nature
Obviously covering your hair is not for modesty reasons. And it never was. It’s not even deoraysa. So all these rules are a stretch
Nice I thought it said ztarot wallet. Lol sorry!!
Wigs that are 3500 dollars is already overpaying. Shows how disconnected we all are. Seriously
I think honestly and of course y’all are gonna get on my case for this but the fundamental understanding is that humans aren’t fallowers they think for themsleves based on whatever they feel is right. And this shows in the wigs people choose and how they dress. You can’t bring “the rabbanim would never have allowed this” it’s not what rabbanim allow. People simply don’t fallow the rules because they don’t want to and humans are not designed to fallow but to choose for themsleves what is right for them as is clear in the way people are choosing their wigs. If this is the fundamental nature of human beings then pushing “the rabbanim would never have allowed this” is delusional. These people listen to themselves. The best we can do is teach them proper morals when they are young so that they make proper moral choices when they are old or change the entire system to be more based on real life principles so people have a more moral mindset to fallow. Telling people “rabbanim would never let” is bypassing the human way of being that we all at the end of the day fallow whatever we truly feel is right not a bunch of leaders who say things. And don’t get on my case about this because obviously this is human nature judging from what’s going on
Happy new year. It’s not deorysa. It’s derabanan. Sorry. Does it _say_ woman explicitly need to cover their hair after marriage. It’s not a law but an intrepation of sotah that looks to me and many others like it was taken way out of context. And stretched to mean something it doesn’t. “deoraysa” is “keep shabbas” “do not kill” “do not steal” your stretching interpretations over here to create a control narrative which doesn’t exist. Chill
“Uncover her head for a spiritual punishment/ritual”
Doesn’t automatically translate to “I command all married woman to cover their hair”
Please. Stop the drama.Do some halachos not make logical sense. Alot of them don’t. Your allowed to admit that and speak the truth. Do you keep it anyways. Yes but again that’s a personal choice. Cuz you have free will but if you can’t discuss it then your part of a cult and I’r you cannot argue about something and what it means then your basicly saying your not allowed to think at all. That’s mind control.
Morality is law. Torah has been taken out of context no offense. So yes when someone comes and says melachos don’t = rest they are right. You still can use your brain even if your religious. If a+b doesn’t equal c it’s not an avairah to admit it. Your allowed to say the truth
Happy new year. But laws fallow logic also.
If the government made a law that didn’t fallow logic or common sense that was all about control or contradicted itself. Would you fallow. No because God gave you a brain. Stop being a sheep. Things should make senseIf you cannot refute someone else’s opinion with life and common sense and use bullying, shaming, or whatever else to shut someone down. Your not superior. Your practicing censorship because of a need for control and or fear which stems from extreme thinking or ideological control. We can see these habits among liberals that shut everyone down cuz they need to control the narrative. It’s imporant to allow true human dialogue because of your opinion can’t hold up to true scrutiny and you need to shut people down cuz you can’t face yourself. Is that truth? Or control. I think it’s control and you have no right to control others but allow for dialogue to happen to strengthen your own “superior” oppinion
There are oppinions that are right and oppinions that are wrong but as sovereign human beings everyone has a _right_ to have an opinion and as a basic human being a person has no right to censure others and shut them down because of their opinion or get them thrown off chats or act like a police men. If you disagree with an opinion you can argue against it not act like someone needs to be thrown out because of it.
Wow this is sick talk. Love your fellow man. Doesn’t say jew. But ok guys. Believe whatever you want. Get lost in all your narishkiet
Being imperfect keeps us humble. Living within our means helps us understand others. It helps us treat others properly and treat every human being with kindness.
Presentation _is_ important and it’s wonderful that everybody looks good and takes it seriously but not at the expense of being human. And being _normal_ _fallable_ _imperfect_
I think it’s unrealistic to say that you can “stop the madness”
It’s coming more from an extreme level of materialism and perhaps even emptiness cuz presentation has become the main focus not a person’s humaness. We are a presentation based society and the more we become about spending money the more society becomes about appearances and all humanity fades away. We are like the elite of the past with all the social rules and lack of humanity. The problem with such a lifestyle is that we all become ivory tower folks, so disconnected from reality we lose focus of what _is_ important and anyone that doesn’t measure up to our materialistic standards become further and further away from the norm making normal people feel dehumanized by the standards. Looks, prestige, money has even become the yardstick of who we date, and who gets a date and who gets married. It’s a sick rot rotting our bones. Harming the little guy and scorning the people who can’t measure up. It’s an illness. And it’s very sad. I don’t personally think presentation is a bad thing. Dressing up is great always looking good is amazing. But this isn’t just dressing the part this is becoming a sickness of emptiness and scornWhen we stop teaching extreme conformity and start learning basic common sense like, don’t spend more money then you have just to fit in, or your pocket book should dictate what you can afford, not society and thus different colors are allowed and not scorned. Only then will you see people focus on real things not just materialism. Materialism is the cracks showing in our impossible society
Also woman are all about compition and fitting in. Our society lives by impossible materialistic standards and its getting worse and worse as time goes on. Social rules are extreme and therefore people are extreme in their need to fit in. I think extreme segregation has a lot to do with it. Try walking into a grocery store with one hair out of place. People don’t treat others based on being human anymore you have to fit into the impossible standards first before your even treated with one ounce of dignity so that’s also part of the problem
Empty souls turn to materialism cuz they have nothing to hold onto. I think it has to do with social pressure and impossible standards but also lack of true values and heart And don’t scream at me for thinking outside the box
Yaakov yosef. Again your not the police man. Your not the moderator. And also…..be realistic no matter where you go in real life not everyone is going to conform to your way of thinking. Adversity actually is actually necessary to build better arguments. Learn what you really believe and help you build more understanding of right and wrong. Without adversity your no different then a liberal. Or liberal antics of control. Same game different beliefs.
Essentially what your saying which stems from fear and imitutirity (yep you don’t know what being a real adult is)
“You have to think like us otherwise you can’t be part of our group”
Is that really a healthy normal way of thinking or is that “cliquey” and imiture
“You have to dress like us or you can’t be here”
That’s first of all a very rude way to treat people and it’s not realistic.
Please grow upGuess what my opinion is based off my own understanding and viewpoint of what reality is as is your opinion that’s how people form oppinions. Sorry it doesn’t fit your strict narrative but no matter how much you’ll try to stuff my head earned wisdom into your box I will still deep down believe what I believes cuz you can’t control reality
Sacts I hear you but that means your forcing everyone to conform to your way of thinking. “This is how we think” “you can only argue this way” “Orthodox jews think this way”
We are all individuals tho we all have our own experiences and our own thoughts. See how controlling your narrative is?
I literally brought the most basic common sense to the table and you won’t have it cuz it doesn’t conform to the strict box of your beliefs system.
Again nothing I said was “Christian” they are human common sense. Put away your ruler for a second. Put away your controlled thinking. When you live everyday life these concepts apply. They are the foundation of biblical thinking…these are not Christian, or religious. Your using that as an excuse to shut down the conversation.
Let’s say you worked in the damn factory and you needed an instruction manual on how to work in the factory and everybody was compelled disconnected from reality and doing things the wrong way…..I’m talking about living in reality with wisdom. This has nothing to do with religion or “Christianity* or a certain way of thinking..
Please stop censuring me and telling me how to thinkHow do you know which common sense is the right one……common sense means self understood principles that all human beings understand and that is self evident or self understood. Maybe think about it for a bit you’ll figure it out.
Yankel berel your second to last post makes no sense. Is that sheeple speak. Humanity is an essential part of ideology….not sure what you mean by that. I’m saying dont lose your humanity for your ideology. There is a difference between those. I’m talking about conscience and, belief systems. Your beliefs systems are your beliefs. And your conscience is your humanity. First comes your humanity, decency, common sense, wisdom, then maybe comes delusion (ideology)
Another point: Elitism and censorship often intersect when ruling groups, or elites, suppress information to maintain power, control narratives, and define cultural, political, or social norms. Elites, believed to possess superior qualifications, may use censorship to exclude opposing views or alternative perspectives. This suppression can take the form of book bans, media control, or digital restrictions, ultimately limiting free expression and reducing public discourse to authorized viewpoints.
Key Aspects of Elitism and Censorship:
Power Consolidation: Censorship is frequently employed by elites to protect their authority and suppress dissenting voices, particularly in authoritarian regimes.
Cultural and Intellectual Control: Elitism can manifest in determining what constitutes “high” culture or worthy knowledge, leading to the marginalization or suppression of alternative viewpoints.
Information Management: Elites may act as gatekeepers, selecting, altering, or destroying information that contradicts their narrative or interests.
Impact on Society: Censorship enforced by elite structures can hinder critical thinking, limit access to diverse perspectives, and stifle social, political, or artistic expression.Don’t be an elitist and stop censuring everybody. You can’t control the narrative. Everyone is entitled to their own oppion even if it contradicts yours. You cannot learn and grow if only one narrative is allowed. That’s like saying only people with brown hair can exist. Not everyone has brown hair. That doesn’t give you a right to “other” people. Carpamentalize, or censure them. We are talking about human concepts and just like you have a right to speak….so do I.
“Elitism and cruelty often intersect when individuals or groups in positions of power or influence use their status to disregard, belittle, or marginalize others they perceive as inferior. This form of elitism is not merely about superiority in ability or achievement, but about emotional and social cruelty—dismissing others’ experiences, trivializing their struggles, and enforcing social hierarchies through condescension.
Cruelty in elitism manifests in several ways:
Dismissal of struggles: Elitists may trivialize the challenges faced by others, assuming that if they overcame obstacles, so should everyone else—ignoring systemic inequalities and privilege.
Selective association: They often isolate themselves from those outside their perceived “in-group,” excluding others from social, professional, or intellectual circles, which reinforces division and exclusion.
Devaluation of perspectives: Alternative viewpoints are dismissed as uninformed or unworthy, hindering collaboration and innovation. This is especially harmful in public discourse, where media and political elites may claim to represent “truth” while mocking or ridiculing ordinary people.
Ethical elitism: Leaders may believe they are above rules, using their status to justify unethical behavior—such as breaking laws or exploiting others—while ordinary people face harsher consequences for similar actions”
Dont be an elitist.
And don’t be cruelThere’s plenty of “goyish” secular “Jewish”
Again superiority complex at its finest.
Morality and common sense, the concepts that I was literally talking about are not religious concepts they are human concepts. If you need to shut down, carpamentlize and claim that morality is anti “Jewish” and “goyish” your in the wrong religion.*shutting people down
Yaakov yosef. I don’t know who asked you to be the police men. I wasn’t talking anything “anti Jewish” you just don’t like difference of oppion. Which is very rude to shut people down like that everything I said was based on common sense and morality and hard earned real life wisdom. If that’s anti -jewish and you need to shut that down cuz it doesn’t conform to your control _lifestyle_, that’s just wrong. Stop shitting people down even when they speak and have regular conversations we are speaking about morality and human concepts. I didn’t know there’s a rulebook againts all that. Stop being rude
Just to enlighten you further: “People who expect uniform belief and reject critical thinking often exhibit traits of authoritarianism, ideological rigidity, or groupthink. They may view dissent not as a healthy part of discourse but as a personal betrayal or threat to group cohesion. This mindset is commonly seen in closed communities, cult-like environments, or highly polarized social circles where conformity is enforced through social pressure, exclusion, or shaming.
Such individuals often project their own insecurities onto others, interpreting critical thinking as opposition rather than inquiry. As noted in psychological research, this behavior can stem from a defense mechanism known as projection, where people attribute their own flaws or doubts to others. In these cases, criticism is not seen as constructive but as a challenge to the group’s perceived truth or authority.
When someone says “you’re not one of us” for using critical thinking, it signals that the group values uncritical loyalty over independent thought. This creates a false dichotomy: either you fully accept the group’s beliefs without question, or you are cast out. As one Reddit user noted, such people often see themselves as “teachers” with absolute authority, dismissing alternative views as stupidity or moral failure”
Stop censuring people. Thanks
Also, I want to say everything I said are _human_ concepts concepts that transcend ideology. If your not allowed to critically think and only think the narrative you were told your whole life how do you know what real right and wrong is? You don’t
Also I want you to understand when you say that first off your saying Jewish people can’t think for themsleves and have their own opinions that come from their own experiences. Everyone has to think one way. Interesting so we don’t have individual brains, individual lives, individual understanding. So criticL thinking is not allowed. Person viewpoints not allowed. What a straight jacket to live in. Thanks for othering everyone that’s not you and “your” way that mentality is very, carpamentalizing and strict I wonder how you breathe properly if you can only breathe when it fits your box 100 percent do you close your eyes and shut everyone down when they disagree with you. I thought judism is the best religion. The kindest religion the religion you can ask the most “questions” oh oops you can’t think anything other then the status qoa otherwise your not part of the “in” group. See what your doing. Othering people. Not just that your trying to control the narrative. Sounds like another version of “liberalism” just another color with different belief systems. Are you part of a cult or you are but don’t even realize it.
Yaakov yosef you keep proving my point with your superior attitude.
People don’t have to fit your box in order to say something. It’s called critical thinking. Stop controlling the narrative cuz you can’t handle anyone thinking for themslevesYaakove yosef again your so rude. Us versus them. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You clearly like being a sheep.
Maybe we should work on our bain Adam lechavairo and things will subside? Punishment only comes when weve been cruel to all the wrong people. Look inside. Do you fallow morality truly? Have you ever harmed anyone in a bad situation even if you thought you were right. I can think of countless situations and not just situations that make me feel guilty but situations where I thought I was 100 percent right but then it dawned on me that perhaps I was very wrong. Maybe we need to look inward. Not run away
Correlation to Torah or common sense. I don’t confine myself to an ideology but to realistic thinking.
I don’t constrict myself and force myself into a box that someone else believes but what do _i_ believe. The code is already written into our hearts.The point of life is to be true to self. Honor God. Be righous and enjoy the life and fruits that God gives you. We are only here for a short period of time. You can either spend it sacrificing yourself and your families for an ideology (the reason we were taken out of the garden) or you can be genuine kind people who operate from the _true_ self that’s already connected directly to the most high
The connection to God comes from authenticity to self and true moral values. God is within youChava also is the first woman to use her manipulation and voice to manipulate her husband which all woman do. The power of a woman’s voice is intrinsically able to manipulate man. She did the first thing all woman do naturally. Sway her husband towards her own ends.
All woman are capable of that but they are also capable of humbling themselves and fallowing the man. Which is gods guidanceI’m not sure where you thought I don’t believe in right and wrong. And even if I didn’t believe in right and wrong my beliefs don’t change reality. The fabric of reality is morality
You can not break the moral code without consequences
And that doesn’t matter what you think it matters what is.
When chava ate from the tree of knowledge she got information that gave her the illusion of power. But no one is above morality, they only think they are. It’s called delusionYankel berel please. We all think we are better then everyone. Jew/ goy
Whatever this conversation is about in the first place, carpamentalizing people. It all stems from the same place. We have the truth they don’t…we are better. They aren’t. How about instead of this elitist mentality we realize we are all the same, same humans, same needs. We breathe the same air. We may not agree on ideology. But ideology is the tree of knowledge. And knowledge of our grandiosity takes us out of heaven. Heaven is a _mindset_
A mindset of understanding of our sameness of others helps us have empathy of others and brings humanity together.
Knowledge of our superiorty makes us other people and leads to elitist mentality. We need to find our humanness and our sameness cuz we are all ultimately exactly the sameThe rules in the book isn’t for us to separate above others
Everything written in the book is about community humanity kindness and how to treat others properly.
It’s called morality. So when we get lost in the US versus them we lose the foundation of our humanity.
First comes humanity
Then ideologyCardinal sins aren’t about heaven or hell. Cardinal sins break the fabric of reality. Breaks the person themsleves. Each sin impacts reality and the self in extreme forms. Same way if you treat a poor person horribly, karma collectively finds you and you anger G-d. The reason these laws are enshrined into a book so that you realize God is _living_ and he sees who you bully, who you hurt, who you help, who you do wrong and you are held accountable in real time for your actions. So that you won’t take advantage of people, so that you know, that you aren’t free to do whatever you please and even tho it seems so the moral consequences of your behaviour has real time consequences..
And yes there is consequences to cheating. It’s a terrible morally corrupt thing to do not just because a person goes outside their marriages but it _physically_ corrupts a woman on a physical level and harms the entire society cuz she becomes an actual curse among her people and it also impacts her children. Yes there are real consequences to all corrupt action. Everything written in the book is written about the consequences of reality. Everything in there is exactly what happens to a person that makes mistakes and what to do about it. It wasnt a joke when it said do not steal. Do not murder. All these break down a person in terrible ways and also affects society. None of what is written. Is a joke. It is the moral blueprint of reality
V32itas
Your delusional no offense
Sins is universal concept
Moses didnt write down a bunch made up laws. He wrote a book about morality that’s enshrined into the fabric of _realitu_ you can not break cardinal sins without extreme consequences to self or others.
The laws are first off common sense
But second off written down forever so people don’t forget. And a people was separated from the rest of mankind as beacon of morality so no matter how far humanity falls away from _reality_ there will always be a people or a sector of humanity to guide people back to truth.
Yes sin is real but how bout we call it consequence. It’s not a “Christian” concept it’s a human concept. Don’t lose your humanity and common sense getting lost in the US versus them mentality. There’s no us versus them. We are just here to be a beacon of hope for humanity so they never fully go dark in the false ideologies of falsehoods.Common saychel. Wow you must have so much time on your hands counting how many times I post. You remind me of the yenta neighbors sticking thier nose in everyone else life cuz they don’t have their own. Cute
There are side effects to taking vitmens….your freaking out cuz your a fear mongerer and your afraid of anything different. I never said take any vitmens. I said let’s find the root cause of the issue and give the right vitmens at the right dose. But your drama that vintens have side affects. Wow where did you get that from