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all conversation is “psychological manipulation”, so i I don’t understand why you (according to your crooked worldview) would try to gatekeep specific types of psychological manipulation.
beyond that, you – without explanation – disparage hiding things or being afraid of things “being seen”. Yet, there are many things one should not see, nor want others to see, as there are many thoughts one should be afraid of thinking.
@rescue, I know you are a dumb and deeply evil person, I also know you care very little for Judaism and Truth. But, for the sake of other readers – those who want to learn about Judaism and learn from its Torah – let me point out that in Torah we actively shut down dissent and adamantly reject critical thinking as a foundation of learning. We pray for the Divinely justified death of a “masis” or a “madiach” and we daven for Moshiach to restore our ability to personally “death-penalize” those evil people that try to draw us away from simply following what our fathers and rabbis teach us from Sinai.
@rescue, please leave the Jews alone and stop proselytizing your stupid religion on this website.for those who are jewish and care what the Torah teaches us,
The Ramban (parshas ki savo) says the Divine promise of protection for the Jewish people is specifically for the Jews in chitz l’uretz – making Eretz Yisroel the most dangerous place for Jews.
they would only be confused because of zionist antisemitic propaganda as well as the deep inroads that crooked ideology has infected yidden who call themselves “frim”.
If only Iranians knew what the Torah teaches us about the zionist state called “Israel” and the deep evil of its violent soldiers…@damoshe
I would guess kook yimach shemo would be a heretic hero to a zionist like you@yankel-berel
did you die before doing tshiva?in that video, every sign that NK is wearing is explicitly about zionism and israel. There is nothing on their signs critical of any other country or even telling other countries what to do. All other general signage of “stop the war on iran” is clearly from different groups far away in video.
Can you point me to somewhere that you see NK with a Hands off Iran placard? I never saw such a thing and would find it completly shocking and out of character of them. They always – in public protests – focus on the singular true point that Israel does not represent Jews and Judaism is not Zionism.
I am very serious in asking if you can find me such a source. For the above reasons, I don’t believe that you are correct, but I am honest enough to look at any evidence you have.
I never saw NK say anything negative or politically sided to their host country. not in US, UK, or Iran. Can you please point me to ANY protest by anyone in NK against the US or in support of any foreign government over their current location?
you wrote “These people have no connection with the historical NK”. I’m not sure where you get that nonsense. The NK in the USA was led by Rav Moshe Ber Beck ztz”l who was a talmid of Rav Amram Blau ztz”l. Rav Beck was recognized amongst the charedi leadership of EY, USA, and UK as a gaon and gadol b’Torah and was not only the innovator of the modern-day NK activism as non-Jewish rallies, he was in his own life very outspoken about his position of which he wrote and published extensive seforim elaborating the Torah that girds his psak.
@la-boy
I don’t know you, but why are you so upset by the idea that you aren’t part of “klal yisroel”? Maybe you aren’t? Maybe they have a point.you sorry @rescue, but I practice something called “Judaism”. I’m not so familiar with whatever crooked stupidity you are pushing today, nor am I interested in hearing about it.
Please respect my “safe space” here and stop threatening me with your antisemitic dog whistles. If you are looking for peers to vent your anger at Judaism, G-d, or His Torah, there are many “religious zionist” and “messianic” websites where evil people can gather and further kill themselves.I’m not too interested in getting into the root of your confusion. I have always and continue to claim that my only goal is the Torah.
This conversation quickly became about something else, rachmuneh latzlun, when you started talking about “another side” that is NOT in the Torah. Entertaining teachings or musings that are not in the Torah is certainly not “k’dracho shel toyreh”, rather it is an issur of baal tosif and other aveiros.
So, the door is still open for you to provide any Torah sources that I have not addressed. I don’t believe I have done anything in these conversations except point to Torah sources and point to published teaches of torah authorities that explain what those sources mean. I am not adding my personal opinions, chas v’shulem, or other biases.
You, however, haven’t admitted to lying about the Avnei Nezer, claiming he taught something that neither he nor anyone else of stature taught, all in support of your other antisemitic religion.
rushe, merisha.
you’re beginning to sound more and more like @rescue every day!
We learn Torah as taught and understand and accepted across generation, within the framework given by Hashem at Sinai.
Regardless, this is not even the point you are missing. I have asked you multiple times to provide me any “torah and hazal” that does not align with anything I have written, and of course with the caveat that those pesikim and mamarim must be understood as taught by accepted torah authorities.
But, you, @yankel-berel the kofer, have nothing to argue with when I ask you to provide a valid source for your “other side”.
In contrast, I have readily supported everything I write with mekoros when requested (or admit I’m wrong when I am wrong).
just to keep us on track, I am waiting for you to finish and respond to the following unanswered questions:
G] I still have no idea what you are even attempting to talk about or ask here. What is your question?
H] Ill wait for you to check the Avnei Nezer. Its available on Hebrew Books for free. Where does the Avnei Nezer say what you claim?
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i suppose you will just continue your like a true zionist/shatnik/reformer/notzri and avoid admitting you are wrong and you will continue believing concocted nonsense not in our Torah
@pure-yiddishkeit
You’re ignoring the multiple instances of zionist murdering jews around the world the trigger hysteria and more emigration to the zionist slave state.
You’re ignoring that the zionist have happily mass murdered anti-zionist populations like the local arab populace of Palestine, zionists being the innovators ,uch of what we consider moder day terrorism, specifically bringing the terrorist culture to the Middle East, being the first perpetrators of civilian bus hijackings, public market bombing, bus bombings, ramming attacks on civilians, and random knifing of civilians to promote fear in the anti-zionist populations. all this was before the zionist founded their evil state. now they coordinate similar attacks either through “military” or “police” action or by proxy through sponsored terrorist group rivalries and attacks on civilians.remember, the zionists are the greatest beneficiaries of antisemitism.
since I’ve joined this conversation, let me be do the wonderful mitzvoh of being moche the disgusting commentor @rescue and his decrepit words laced with kefira and disgrace.
I appreciate those who are smart enough to ignore him and not answer his antisemitic stupidity
what you write comparing chassidus and missar, like “In general mussar is based on sor mayra and chassidus is based on assay tov.”, is TOTAL nonsense.
both types of seforim deal equivalently with both aspects. Noam Elimelech, probably the most universal teach, influencer, and learned sefer in Chassidus, is fully entrenched in the “sir me’ruh” emphasis. Mesilas Yeshurim, arguably the most learned missar classic sefer today, is fully entrenched in the “aseh tov” emphasis.
The whole distinction is foolish and could only be said by someone who hasn’t learned either seforim. I mean, look at sefer HaTanya, which is well invested in “sir me’ruh”…
you wrote:
> a debate with someone who IN ADVANCE excludes one side is an obvious exercise in fulility.what is the “one side” I am excluding in Torah? I asked you for ANY sources I might have missed.
what in the world are you even talking about?
Do you mean to call any rambling idea “a side” that I have to consider, or do you agree that we Jews must ONLY consider the Torah that we have passed down from Sinai as per our mesorah?
are you okay?
I’ll happily look at any Torah source and view any sugya from all those kosher “sides”. What I won’t do is create, chalila, a side that doesn’t have a source from a major authority.
regarding the sugya at hand, as I said before: there are no two sides. If there is another side, one that has not already been considered and answered by those gedolim, please let me know.
@yankel-berel
> somejew should approach them like real torah judge , genuinely considering both sides ..no, I don’t need to do this. this is NOT the chazon ish’s approach when there is clear teachings/psak from previous gedolim and there is no “two sides”. If there is another side, one that has not already been considered and answered by those gedolim, please let me know. So far, @yankel-berel, you haven’t presented to me anything that is not already answered by people YOU admit are greater than you. As far as I can see, you do not have “another side” available, just foolishness.
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just to keep us on track, I am waiting for you to finish and respond to the following unanswered questions:
G] I still have no idea what you are even attempting to talk about or ask here. What is your question?
H] I’ll wait for you to check the Avnei Nezer. It’s available on Hebrew Books for free. Where does the Avnei Nezer say what you claim?
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> he claims that the medina has to be destroyed because it was made by reshaim .
I never claimed this.> somejew answered that rambam is not talking about a rasha like the tsiyonim
I never answered this> so why can that principle not apply to the medina ?
> they work hard , prepare everything , to be taken over by a tsadiq , like mashiach ?In theory, I don’t have a problem with this. There are specific points in chazal about biyas moshiach that strongly push against what you are implying, but that is a new conversation we haven’t touched here in CR.
The earlier answer I gave to the above points did NOT talk about anything needing be destroyed nor did I mention the Rambam. What I wrote was:
Everything Hashem does is for good, even the koyach He give reshoyim. Nonetheless, we Jews are obligated to resist aveiros and push away evil, all as per the dictates of the Torah.
The zionist state is as much a preparation for moshaich as the nazi camps, and many gedolim have pointed out that they are both activities of amulek one and the same. We Jews continue to pray for the quick speedy downfall of the Evil Nazi Death Cult called zionism, their political state called Israel and its antisemitic violent army called the IDF.
You took the time to write, but have failed to answer the questions, instead scared away from facing Hashem Torah and instead chose another distraction. I”ll answer your new question here:
I don’t understand what the problem is you see in that chazal.
Everything Hashem does is for good, even the koyach He give reshoyim. Nonetheless, we Jews are obligated to resist aveiros and push away evil, all as per the dictates of the Torah.
The zionist state is as much a preparation for moshaich as the nazi camps, and many gedolim have pointed out that they are both activities of amulek one and the same. We Jews continue to pray for the quick speedy downfall of the Evil Nazi Death Cult called zionism, their political state called “Israel” and its antisemitic violent army called the “IDF”.
Moving on, please respond to the outstanding question, admit your mistakes and the Torah you distorted, and stop pushing zionist heresy.
the epithets i delivered are deserved. additionally,i don’t know who debating here is claiming to be innocent If you are indeed ignorant in a matter, don’t start arguing a random position of “sheriris liboi” and then get upset for being called out on that.
In any case, @yankel-berel, it’s now been over 20 days that you have delayed responding to my simple request to apologize for (or defend) your cruel words and baseless accusation.
I stand by my words with Torah and nothing else. When I am wrong, I admit it. That is why I am not a zionist priest like you.
Please stop avoiding the facts of our Holy Torah, do tshiva, and respond to the above questions honestly and maybe you will have a chance to get out of your mess.
I’m still waiting for your response “kedarka shel tora”.
or have you hypocritically choosen to “disappear”?Of course, you are like other “religious zionist” fools and “catholic” fools who don’t care about Torah except to serve their idolatry.
I continue to doubt you will admit you are wrong, instead ignoring my above pointed questions.@square_root
when did I get offended and disappear?I was clear in what I wrote.
@yankel-berel
why would the bad character of people who disagree with me have anything to with me, my humility status, or my midos?I have no idea why you keep attacking me, when I have said nothing controversial for a Torah honest Jew.
I answered all your long list of questions, and I am still waiting for you to admit you were wrong.Now you are introducing more nonsense questions that reflect both insincerity and ignorance, which I can also answer. But, let’s not lose track of finishing up your first list and your consistent mistakes and foolish claims.
I am waiting now more than two weeks for you to simply say “I was wrong”
let me remind you of the “dan lkaf chov” words of yours that got you here:
This seems like an established pattern
A] somejew posts something extreme and objectionable
B] other posters reply and disagree
C] somejew replies and calls them priests , fools , idolaters etc
D] the other posters respond in kind and somejew receives the same vitriol back in his own face
E] somejew gets offended and disappears
F] after a while , somejew gets over it and starts afresh
G] back to A again .
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the only way somejew is able to disprove the above post
is by supplying a point by point, fact and logic based answer , to each and every question
without running away .
what somejew was doing till now , was plain . running away
it s high time somejew is accountable for the shenanigans he is posting
meanwhile you seem to be “too busy” to admit you are wrong. I’ve always been curious, does the erev rav realize they are the erev rav, or do you really think you are jewish? but please, don’t bother answering, i don’t want you to get distracted from answering the above long-delayed response to the above.
@yankel-berel
i don’t compliment reshoyim>Youre making a wrong assumption. Not every Mechallel Shabbos has the status of an Apikorus.
I didn’t say that.
The closest I probably got was:from https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/who-is-a-jew#post-2502092
3. There is a red line of who is part of amecha (am yisroel/klal yisroel), and those basic requirements are 1) keeping most common mitzvos, 2) believing without doubt the 13 ikarim, 3) keeping shabbos publicly. Like any sugya, there is much beautiful Torah iyun in each part of that red line (what means public?, what are the exact terms of the ikarim?, etc) , but the red line exists whether we can identify the minutia of its precise location or not.”just to keep us on track, I am waiting for you to finish and respond to the following unanswered questions:
E] I dont understand your question. Do you know what haluche is? Currently there is much psak haluche vis a vis the zionists, which a zionist kofer would transgress. The avnei nezer DOES say that one is (of course!) obligated to keep the Talmudic teaching we call the Shulosh Sevios, despite them not having been generally established (in his time) psak haluche. It would certainly , according to any koshe Jew and certainly the Avnei Nezer, an aveira to not keep ANY letter of the Torah including the shulosh shevios
F] Sounds like you are conceding the point. You earlier wrote the steipler clearly writes that the mere existence of the medina is not against the shavuot. Now you seem to admit that STEIPLER DID NOT WRITE THAT. Is it true that you were wrong?
ALSO:
YOU have ignored the following:
>> you have never owned up to point that halacha everywhere is not decided by what would , could or should have been only by what is
>I have no idea what you are talking about or asking
G] Have you conceded that what you wrote here is nonsense?>> you have never owned up to the fact that avnei nezer clearly writes that haskamat haumot will negate the shavuot
>Ive never been asked this. where does the Avnei Nezer say this? (please quote exact line, as some of his tshivas are very long)
H] Have you conceded that AVNEI NEZER DID NOT WRITE THAT. Is it true that you were wrong?Once I have your full response, I will happily give my feedback.
@yankel-berel
sorry, you disgusting fool, being limid zchis on yidden is NOT “crooked logic”. you should stop lying about holy men and spreading kefira in their name.
you will seemingly throw anyone or anything holy “under the bus” in order to push your fake anti-torah religion. at least the kofer @rescue is honest about trying to pull his audience, R”L, away from Torah.@qwerty613
I’m supprised your rosh yeshiva was prompting you to be over on chazal’s dictim that we are not allowed to answer to apikorasim like that mother (gemureh avoda zueh).in case you forgot, I’m still waiting for your full response
In what world do you really believe that this is really Iran behind these “agents”? this could easily be the Zionist government as well as it could easily be completely fabricated from top to bottom.
So, I don’t think the argument should be “does this help Iran” as that just follows lockstep with the zionist propaganda that Iran is an enemy of the Jews, when rather they are an enemy of Israel (and the non-Jewish “West”).
The rest of your post is generally on point.
@rescue
lol, this is (supposed to be) a jewish forum. Judaism is (and I’m eyeballing the order of your post) pro- conformity
- alignment of attitudes, beliefs, behaviors with torah observant group
- loss of individuality
- suppressing personal identity, creativity, and perspectives (when not regulated by groupthink)
- fitting in
- loss of confidence (inwrong thought)
- groupthink
- poor decision-making, especially in high-stakes environments
- avoiding challenging the status quo
- avoiding new ideas
- stifling ‘improvements’
- inability to adapt to change
- ideological control around religious beliefs
- shutting down dissent
- echo chambers
that being said, let me emphasize that shutting down dissent is YES our responsibility when confronted with foolishness (like your post). While we don’t (and are not allowed to) choose adversity, don’t worry, we have bad people like you trying to tell us how to be Jewish. Are you going to burn us at the stake like your predecessors, or is this just a “friendly” attack?
Judaism is fully against “critical thinking”, and many seforim have been written explaining why.
We are indeed “responsible for our choices” but trust me that we know what the right thing is without your nonsense. We endorse and promote our Torah echo chamber and manage to do it without the delusions you are somehow so familiar with and wary of.
@always_ask_questions
The difference between Rav Chaim and your crooked “Modern Orthodox” is that the “Modern Orthodox” continue being mechalel shabbos after shabbos long after any chash pekiach nefesh!I can prove the point right now, rushe:
1) What is the nimshal of your “metephoric” chilil shabbos? What are the aveiras that MO has allowed in order to “save lives (sic)”?
2) Take the above answers (to question number 1), are they indeed aveiros?
3) do all MO people stop doing those aveiras once they mature away from their nimshal “pekiach nefesh”? Or, do they wither keep doing the aveira OR do they stop calling themselves MO and instead call themselves kosher Jews?
A] there are three answers to your question: 1) like the Shulchan Aruch in general, this is not an airtight inclusive list of every possible haluchic situation where one gives up their life (see Ramu here), rather the SA was written according to what was commonly applicable and commonly known haluches and their generally common psak. 2) breaking the shulosh shevios is a type of Avoda Zureh, 3) Breaking the shulosh shevios is by definition a “shaas shmaad”.
B] My “wonderful, running away from EY idea” is simply proof that right now there is no pikiach nefesh NOW. If there WAS actually pekiach nefesh in EY, the first reaction from ANY SANE PESON would simply be to run away. this is not controversial!
I’l double down on the absurdity of your false zionist religion: if ANYONE really believed that there is NOW pekiach nefesh, there would be mass ongoing charity campaigns to support and promote jews leaving the zionist state. Instead, those crying “PEKIACH NEFESH!!! are exactly those same people crying that jews should, chalila, mass move to the zionist state from other countries!
Regarding a separate conversation about IF the zionists would disband their evil project. What that THEORETICAL means is that 1) if there would be a plan to correct the wrong of zionism and disband the IDF and the national government AND 2) there was no stable replacement government AND 3) the reaction by zionists or other evil parties would be to threaten lives and create a real pikiach nefesh situation, there SHOULD be the option either before during or after this plan to allow anyone who feels at risk to leave.
C] I’ve been explicit with my words as well as my intent.
D] No, that is not my stance, and certainly nothing I have “repeatedly claimed”. try NOT straw manning my position. If you don’t understand something I wrote, you can ask what I meant.
E] I don’t understand your question. Do you know what “haluche” is? Currently there is much psak haluche vis a vis the zionists, which a zionist kofer would transgress. The avnei nezer DOES say that one is (of course!) obligated to keep the Talmudic teaching we call the “Shulosh Sevios”, despite them not having been generally established (in his time) psak haluche. It would certainly , according to any koshe Jew and certainly the Avnei Nezer, an aveira to not keep ANY letter of the Torah including the “shulosh shevios”
F] Sounds like you are conceding the point. You earlier wrote ” the steipler clearly writes that the mere existence of the medina is not against the shavuot”. Now you seem to admit that STEIPLER DID NOT WRITE THAT. Is it true that you were wrong?
ALSO:
YOU have ignored the following:
>> you have never owned up to point that halacha everywhere is not decided by what would , could or should have been only by what is
>I have no idea what you are talking about or asking
G] Have you conceded that what you wrote here is nonsense?>> you have never owned up to the fact that avnei nezer clearly writes that haskamat haumot will negate the shavuot
>Ive never been asked this. where does the Avnei Nezer say this? (please quote exact line, as some of his tshivas are very long)
H] Have you conceded that AVNEI NEZER DID NOT WRITE THAT. Is it true that you were wrong?@yankel-berel
most of your above “questions” are just ad hominem attacks against me. This is (or at least should be) a Torah conversation, which is the domain I care to discuss exclusively.I don’t want to, nor do I feel obliged to, distill sense out of your nonsense confused “questions”, so I can only ask you to do better at thinking and/or expressing coherent thoughts (I’m not sure where your failure comes from).
As a token of good faith, I’ve attempted to strip your above questions of ad hominem attacks and answer them point by point. since your “questions” are so malformed, I ask you to please continue the conversation by clarifying them as needed If you believe my answers are insufficient.
> you have never proved that your approach fits with sha YD 157
what is “my approach” and how is that approach in conflict with S”A?> you have never proved that your wonderful, running away from EY idea , is going to solve all p/n problems
I never claimed that “running away” will immediately bring moshiach.> you have never owned up to the fact that you insinuated that rav chaim was a zuken mamre chvsh
I adamantly and explicitly did NOT insinuate that. I DID say that if you are foolish enough to call them, chas v’shulem, heretics/notzrim/reform/zionist/jewsforj, THEN one would be forced to say they are “zuken mamre” and would still not be allowed to abandon the Torah.> you have never owned up to point that halacha everywhere is not decided by what would , could or should have been only by what is
I have no idea what you are talking about or asking> you have never owned up to the fact that avnei nezer clearly says that the shavuot are not lehalacha [his language]
yes I did, I address this explicitly in comment: https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/matzav-article-about-golus-and-eretz-yisrael/page/3#post-2439476> you have never owned up to the fact that the steipler clearly writes that the mere existence of the medina is not against the shavuot
I have no idea what you are talking about or asking. The only source I can think of the from the Steipler is about if voting in the Medina (may it be quickly, peacefully destroyed) is forbidden in light of the shevios after the Medina has already been established. So, what is your question?> you have never owned up to the fact that avnei nezer clearly writes that haskamat haumot will negate the shavuot
I’ve never been asked this. where does the Avnei Nezer say this? (please quote exact line, as some of his tshivas are very long)IT’S PIKIACH NEFESH IN ZIONIST ISRAEL!!!
WE MUST ALL “Prepare to Flee To America!”
> both of you miss the point
did you not just fully agree with “both of you” that the claim of “rights” is not a Torah idea and is otherwise a stupid statement of @yankel-berel false zionist religion?
that being said, i appreciate you bringing out the (obvious) point even more explicitly.
all of your hypotheticals of political involvement in dismantling the zionist state or (chsv”sh) fighting in their wars are ALL toldos of zionism, i.e. attempts to take jewish destiny in our own (physical) hands, chas v’shulem.
agudas yisroel fights zionism with zionism, something the Satmar Rebbe was adamantly outspoken against.
[this is, btw, my main kasha on NK, however to their credit they claim to not be at all political, and have no political (read: practical) agenda. instead they seem to be simply leveraging the political activities to vocalize the Torah (to be be moche, amongst other mitvos)]
@always_ask_questions
> I think Israel is not USSR, you can get up and leave
many jews get arrested while trying to leave> you want to live in a country but do not agree with the government? It is a democracy, so you can…
we jews disagree with the democracy version of zionism as well. We do not want to, chalila, improve it, we want to see it destroyed (peacefully)> you want to live in a country but do not want to follow the laws created by that democracy? then, you are a criminal in any normal country.
correct. jews were legal criminals in nazi germany. we are criminals in nazi israel as well.
calling someone a “criminal” is not a moral statement of right or wrong, it is a technical reality vis-a-vis according to who has the guns.
to be clear, many Jews lived here before the evil zionists came and violently took control. those same jews can continue to resist and reject that government. So too can anyone else from wherever they are in the world.> you disagree with the government just because it is run by Jews but not according to halocha? Then, you are a real Zionist
I agree. those are the worst types of zionists. may Hashem quickly destroy all those who rebel against Him and profane His Torah.
@yankel-berel
>every jew has the inherent right to live in EY
that is certainly not a Torah given “right”, so who is declaring such a “right” for all Jews?
We Jews are in gulis, which literally meant that we lost any collective G-d given “right” to live in EY.The rest of your musing are equally foolish. who gives you the “right” to not be coerced by secularist? Are you free to demand that you have no nisyonos?
Where do you get all this foolishness from, notzris? nationalism? mental issues?
@yankel-berel
i still have no idea what you are talking about. did i leave something unanswered? did I abandon some thread too early?
instead of just throwing out a baseless accusation, point out something i did or didn’t say that aligns with your “pattern”.
(I don’t care to repeat the same answers to the same questions over and over, despite your foolish desire to keep asking the exact same questions after they have been answered, such as your inability to read SHA YD 157, with zero acknowledgment on your part to respond either admitting or arguing against those answers)As mentioned, I believe I have been very clear about my position regarding the various threads. I believe I have been very transparent about the mokoros I have learned that support my positions and have been equally responsive in explaining other mekoros that confuse some people.
If I have failed in any of the above three things [1. clarity in position, 2. providing supporting mekoros, 3. explaining seemingly challenging mekoros] please point me to that failure and I will – IY”H – respond.
If your tactic is to just double down on your own stupidity and ignore the Torah, I can’t help you, and I don’t see a point in joining the conversational nonsense circles you build for yourself.
@qwerty613
it’s obvious Rav Miller is talking about tinokos shenibu that are still part of amecha, just like the chazon ish talks about at the beginning of YD.@yankel-berel
when did I “get offended and disappear”?I was clear in what I wrote.
lol. you continue to embarrass your church and your fake god.
if there was no zionism, there WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN an Oct 7!Your silly logic is that despite the clear punishment (as explicit in chazal), you demand MORE ZIONISM! Just like pharaoh (maybe worse!)
Using your logic, you would say such insights like “if not for the nazi guards, can you imagine how much WORSE the germans would have treaded the Jews in Auschwitz?!!”
“Sure”, you say, “they failed to protect 6 million”, but they SAVED the other 12 MILLION!!”Yet your avoda zureh is more precious than the lives of your own children as you keep sending your boys off to die for that fake religion you call “dati leumi”. Those boys die making the greatest chilil Hashem, making religious zionists around the world proud, R”L.
>Sorry for not being clear enough. The Maharal, according to the Vayoel Moshe…
I want to thank you for that explanation. Very well written and to the point.