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good riddance. they lost their mandate long ago.
ain udom eluh yisroel
@damoshe
rambam hilchos maluchim: “ain ben olam hazeh lolam habuh chitz m’shibid guliyos”“self esteem” is what goyim call “yiras shomayim”, since they don’t have a tzelem elokim.
if anyone thinks i am choosing to not reply to these threads, know that it’s not from me
i wish i could reply, i guess the torah is not wanted here
@simcha613
“religious zionist” are kofer in the ikar of moshiach in the ikar of schar v’onesh and the ikar of torah sh’bal’peh.they (you) are farther from yiddishkeit than the notzrim.
The fools that say notrusdik’eh nonsense like they are “machmir in ahavs yisroel” by loving minim and tinukos shenishbu that are not maaminim are being kofer in the haluches of ahavas yisroel and other dinim in the Torah about who is called “yisroel” and who it not.
These fools reject the Torah definitions and instead accept the notzrim who teach “turn the other cheek” as well as who teach that they are only “not a jew” when they are baptized to their god-on-a-stick. L’havdil, the Torah teaches that whenever a yid is mechalel shabbos b’farhesia he is “not a jew”.
Loving evil people is exactly aligned with hating good people, and only with Torah can we have real ahavas yisroel and uproot sinas chinam.
because zionists are more like notzrim and shatznikim, people with a crooked active AGENDA to redefine Judaism and take Jews away from Torah. Whereas secular jews are generally more interested in just not having anything to do with their “Jewish” label.
If you are asking about “non-orthodox” that are also not completely secular in that they claim some sort faux-Judaism, it’s a mute point since they are almost always also zionist. For the few anti-zionist secularist activists, they usually don’t have much of a religious agenda, just political.In short, the zionist “rabbis” (especially the ones who call themselves charedi) are the greatest danger to Yiddishkeit today. It is the most successful version of “Jews for J” in histroy.
@yaakov-yosef-a
RM”D Valle zy”a explains the ashkenazing and sefardim ?(jews) as coming from chochma and bina respectively with the Italians being the middle balance of da’as.
(Sorry for bringing his holy Torah into this kas of kofrim, but I thought you would appreciate it as one of the exceptions)you are inventing “rachmonus” on secular people, something that is forbidden by Torah for anyone who either acts secular (not keeping most mitzvos publicly), doesn’t keep shabbos publicly, or not believing in ikarei eminah.
such a person, regardless of tochucheh, hatrueh, or any o’nes (like tinik shenishbu), it is forbidden to have rachmunos on or to be dan lekaf zchis, rather they are chayev “mordin v’lo maalin”.this is in contrast to the colloquial “tinik shenishbu” of karoyim (todays “modern orthodox”) where their kefira is specifically because of corrupted oral tradition, and exception the Rambam famously made from his otherwise normative red-line of the other 12 of 13 ikarim. Those, one would need to check if their mistaken psak stems from fraudulent “rabbis” that they follow innocently or from an ideology of rejection of Chazal. One checks by simply informing them and seeing if they indeed correct their mistaken ways or if they continue down the path of heresy. If they are the former, they deserve much rachmonus.
@yaakov-yosef-a
that is an incredibly ignorant way to learn the chazon ish. i’ll invite you to contect me directly and we can learn it together, honestly, and you are welcome to publicize anything you want from our conversation.but what you are doing now is with the chazon ish is absurd.
if iam wrong, i’ll own it.
“ain luni sheir eluh haTorah hazois”@always_ask_questions
sefer chazon ish, not shulchan aruchin sefer chazon ish, yoreh deah, siman 2, i think in ss16. to paraphrase him without the sefer infront of me, he saya about those who are “mordin vlo maalin”, reshoyim who must be killed by any jew without warning or eidim etc, the chazon ish says that we were only doing this activly when “Hashem’s hashgacha was revealed in the world” (presumably he means most recently Bais Sheni), but now the vigillante killing of people would push people away, so we are left to be nice to these evil people and be mekariv them because we can’t kill them.
oy l’rushe, oy l’shechaino.
all rav moshe said is that this nebach wouldn’t be mekabel the tochuchuh.
That also would mean that r mintz doesn’t have any arvis towards him and should hate him for being a rushe, he stay away from him so he doesn’t learn from his bad ways, but also be nice to him because, as the chazon ish said, “since we can’t kill ’em, we’re stuck being nice to them”
@gornit
are you claiming that all those parties are turning to the courts instead of taking @qwerty613 to beis din?if that is your claim, are you not worried that they will sue you too for slander?
responding to your points by number:
1. Who ever claimed the criteria is spiritual and not financial? I know some mosdoses that are “spiritual” in motivation, but that usually makes the admissions process even more discerning and difficult.
2. this is simple motzei shem ru. if you suspect this, probably not a mosad you want to send your child to.
3. the Torah puts demands on the individuals, not systems, per se. in other words, a person asks, “what does Hasem want from me” not “what system can I implement that will do what Hashem wants”. Now a person should, of course, consider if a system is aligned with haluche, but that is a very strange as difficult to leverage framing of the “introspective” question.
4. I do not believe you. There are “second rate” yeshivas eager for paying students.
5. from my limited experience, yeshivas are always eager to refer their rejections to “second rate” yeshivas that would be very grateful to take your poorly-parented children.
4.
was this article written 40 years ago, because these suggestions already exist completely. Maybe the author wants to suggest to the gedolim to organize rabbinic boards and trained supervisors to certify kashurs of food items sold as “kosher”, perhaps use a copyrighted symbol on the packaging and call it a “heksher”? Oh, I know, what if we designated both for profit and volunteer askunim who help boys and girls mind their zivig and facilitate the process from their first meeting until the engagement, we can implement a “no single left behind” policy and we can call the askunim “shadchunim”!
I don’t know of any person who does not have an orthodox mosad to send their children to, rather many struggle when the reject the “second-rate” available option for something more to their desired standards. There are “public school” style options in near every Jewish community I know, schools that I don’t support specifically because of the “accept all” policy that damages the student peers as well as usually having other major breaches in ideology, funcing, and curriculum, such as the beis yaakov system in EY as well as the reform movement’s “chinich atzmi”. so too in the tristate are, there are programs like nechumas yisreol and ezer leyeshivos that try to fill their specific needs.
if the author is talking about providing a kosher chinuch, well that would demand a discerning and discriminatory policy to maintain that high standard of insulation, a friction point that by definition has no solution as the friction itself is the feature. any school that would let my kids in easily is not a school I would want to sent to. If you don’t like this mentality, by all means go to the mass market public schools designed for such foolish parents and keep your influence far from the elitists.
@square_root
it seems your request is that the Jews here should not be moche the idolators who pollute this website.for jews, there is no machlokes about notzrus, sha”tz, or zionism. we will continue to daven three times a day for the downfall of the zionist state and their army.
also, to be clear about the haluche, Jews are not allowed to make shulem with reshoyim kofrim like zionists.
those who actively fight zionist heresy, especially fighting against the type called “dati leumi”, along with those who pray for their destruction, the destruction of their state, and the destruction of their soldiers three times a day in shmoneh esrai, are not sinning against each other when they respond to the minim who continue to push jews towards other religions on this website.
@square_root
i would love if no none here would EVER call the zionist state “jewish”, call yashke the moshiah or say the zionist soldiers are saving lives or should be thanked for their aveiras.please, let us all the G-d fearing jews join hand in hand in removing any talk about this heresy from our midsts
no one you mentioned and no kosher rabbinic leader ever said that moving to eretz yisroel is a solution to exile generally or to antisemitism specifically. that heresy i breaks one of the 13 ikkarim, a false moshiach.
@ThinkingCap
The solution to any jew’s problem is tshiva and keeping the Torah, not whatever Zionist nonsense you keep spouting.
Jews reject your false moshiach like we’ve reject so many in the past.Moving to Eretz Yisroel is explicitly taught in Torah as NOT the solution to exile and NOT a solution to antisemitism.
All you are doing is pushing kefira that will not help out anyone.
@Kuvult also sometimes the rabbi’s husband says kaddish, especially if they self-identify as a “yusom” or somewhere else on the mourner-spectrum.
What’s really surprising is that there are other religions, like Judaism, where they keep jewish law and don’t profane “kaddish” with your reform pritzus.
The Ramban says in his peirish on Ki Suvo that Eretz Yisroel is the most dangerous place for Jews during exile, since we only have Divine guarantee not to be – chas v’shulem – destroyed when in Chitz L’Uretz.
This opening post is full of disgusting “koch v’oztem yudi”, highlighting the absurdity of the zionist lust for violent control and military domination, after the failures of the zionist state to protect its citizens on “Oct 7”, fools like the author of this opening post react with “see how much we all need to come and be protected by these heretics!”
“tinik shenishbu” has nothing to do with chilonim today (as mentioned by Shevet Halevi and others). Whatever their reason or background of a fraier, the “ones” of “tinok shenishbu” is only relevant regarding the obligation to kill a mimar with a crooked mesorah, It does nothing for a min, who is still a min as he doesn’t believe in “ikkarei hadaas” (see Rambam on Perek Chelek, Tshivas Mizrachi 57, Radbaz 786, Teviash Shir YD2, Chazon Ish YD2, etc)
It WOULD be relevant for anyone who is a maamin in all “13 ikarim”, keeps Shabbos publicly, and is in the middle of doing tshiva for his own crooked version of “Oral Torah” (such a person, according to the Rambam, would not be a min, rather a choteh b’ones so long as he doesn’t reject anything kosher moving forward). So, a fresh Baal Tshiva or Modern Orthodox person who is “flipping out” would not need to be killed when he steps into a kosher Beis Medrash the first time.
Regardless, It’s a machlokes rishonim if such a person (Baal Tshiva) would be allowed in any case to be accepted into Klal Yisroel because of concerns for mamzeros. We paskin today that we do accept Balei Tshiva into Klal Yisroe (but the minhag of many chinich mosdoses is to not let their kids in anyway)
The Rishonim who disagree with the Rambam’s novelty would say to shecht them at the first opportunity (a solid limid zchis for the aforementioned mosdoses who are forced to take those children in!)
the last section from R’ Chaim Brisker was also Excerpt from Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro’s “The Empty Wagon”
I thought these were all rather well know.
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Excerpt from Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro’s “The Empty Wagon”:Chofetz Chaim said about the Jewish communists, the Yevsektsii:
I am certain they are from the seed of Amalek.
The Yevsektsii were established in 1918 with the goal of helping the communists destroy Yiddishkeit in Russia. They functioned for about ten years, after which they were disbanded because they were no longer needed. R. Elchonon adds that the Chofetz Chaim’s statement about the Yevsektsii being Amalek also applies to the Zionists, the “misyavnim [secularists] in Eretz Yisroel who are the Yevsektsii themselves, for there is no difference between them except that these write in Yiddish jargon and those write and talk in Ivrit – the ‘new Hebrew.’ But regarding both groups, Hashem swore that His name shall not be whole, nor His throne complete, until they are extinguished from the world.” (Kovetz Maamarim, Ikvesa D’Meshicha, p. 261)
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Excerpt from Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro’s “The Empty Wagon”:In October 1977, the Agudah’s monthly magazine, The Jewish Observer, published an address that R. Yitzchok Hutner gave for Torah Umesorah on the question of whether it is appropriate for the yeshivos to institute a curriculum of holocaust studies. In it, Rav Hutner explained what motivated the state of Israel to circulate the notorious canard that the gedolei Yisroel were responsible for the destruction of European Jewry because they told their people to remain in Europe and not to migrate to Eretz Yisroel. Israel did it, the Rav Hutner explained, “to cover its own contribution to the final catastrophic events.”
He described the Mufti’s role in ensuring that the Jews of Europe would never be able to escape to Palestine, and how much Hitler wanted to cooperate with the Mufti:“The extent of the Mufti’s influence upon the Nazi forces may be seen in a crucial decision made by Hitler at the height of the war. Railroad trains were much in demand by the Axis, and Hitler’s troops badly needed reinforcements in Russia. Yet, soon after he landed in Berlin in November , the Mufti demanded that all available resources be used to annihilate Jews. The choice: Juden nach Auschwitz or Soldaten nach Stalingrad [Jews to Auschwitz or soldiers to Stalingrad] was to be resolved his way … Two months later (January 2, 1942) at the Wannsee Conference, the formal decision was made to annihilate all Jews who had survived the ghettos, forced labor, starvation, and disease.
Of course, the Mufti was serving his own perverted fears, which was the influx of millions of Jews into Palestine and the destruction of the Mufti’s personal empire. Yet, there can be no doubt that through their symbiotic relationship, Hitler and the Mufti each helped the other accomplish his own evil goal. Eichmann simply wanted to kill Jews; the Mufti wanted to make sure they never reached Palestine. In the end, the “final solution” was the same … At one point, Eichmann even seemed to blame the Mufti for the entire extermination plan when he declared, “I am a personal friend of the Grand Mufti. We have promised that no European Jew would enter Palestine any more.”
Then Rav Hutner points out something that the Zionists are eerily silent about:
It should be manifest, however, that until the great public pressures for the establishment of a Jewish state, the Mufti had no interest in the Jews of Warsaw, Budapest, or Vilna. Once the Jews of Europe became a threat to the Mufti because of their imminent influx into the Holy Land, the Mufti in turn became for them the Malach Hamaves – the incarnation of the Angel of Death. Years ago, it was still easy to find old residents of Yerushalayim who remembered the cordial relation they had maintained with the Mufti in the years before the impending creation of the Jewish state. Once the looming reality of the state of Israel was before him, the Mufti spared no effort in influencing Hitler to murder as many Jews as possible in the shortest amount of time. This shameful episode, where the founders and early leaders of the State were clearly a factor in the destruction of many Jews, has been completely expunged from the record. Thus it is that our children who study the history of that turbulent era are taught that gedolei Yisroel share responsibility for the destruction of European Jewry and learn nothing of the guilt of others who are now enshrined as heroes.
The Zionists made up a story about the gedolei Yisroel because the best defense is a good offense. Remember: The goal of Zionism was to convince the Jewish people that following the Torah leaders results in death and following the Zionist heretics leads to life, redemption, and renewal. Zionism relies on propaganda, and this little tidbit is a prime example.
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R’ Chaim Brisker- “The Zionists did not want to destroy Judaism in order to create their state; rather, they wanted to create their state in order to destroy Judaism. “
- “Zionism is the most dangerous of all heretical movements that have emerged throughout Jewish history, because the Zionists knew exactly where to shoot their arrows in order to dismantle Judaism. “
- “Usually, the yetzer hara does not have the ability to convince Klal Yisroel as a whole to sin unless it dresses up the aveirah as a mitzvah. But it is beyond even the yetzer hara’s ability to dress up Zionism as a mitzvah, and therefore it is attempting to convince the nation to commit a sin even without portraying it as a mitzvah. R. Boruch Ber Leibowitz explained: Although one might think that the yetzer hara was portraying Zionism as being connected with the mitzvah of yishuv haAretz (settling the land), it was clearly not so. “Imagine,” he said, “if someone would take a mezuzah and use it as a good luck charm, affixing it to the door with that intent. Would anyone think that such an act has any connection to a mitzvah?”
- Someone told R. Chaim that the Jews may yet win the war against Zionism, for it seems that the nations will decide not to give the Zionists a territory. R. Chaim responded that it is too late. The Zionists have already won, because they got the Jews to look at themselves as a nation.
@square_root
there are many kosher jews that lived and died under the german nazi regime as there are that live and die under their partner zionist nazi regime.
@jerusalemr
chufetz chaim, satmar rebbe, brisker ruv, rav yitzchok hutner, and a lot more.we know that “gam zi ‘toiva”, everything is for Hashem’s good. This includes, the Holocaust and Churban Habayis and our Yezter Hurus and the Gulis in general.
BUT that doesn’t mean we daven for the Holocaust to , chv”sh happen, and we don’t cheer when the nazis win a battle. Instead we wish they would stop their evil, regardless of whatever hidden good we know Hashem has in mind. This is the pusik , “Haistaros Lashem…”. We are obligated to be discerning between good and bad and pray for the bad to go away and the actors to be quickly destroyed and punished.
So too, the nazi state called “Israel” (who is as much a “hidden good” for yidden as the death camps) we Jews daven three times a day will be quickly uprooted and destroyed, speedily in our days.
I sense you are asking me sincerely and not playing semantic games. There might be many who call themselves zionists when they are really (otherwise?) kosher jews, especially in haredi circles. I even heard charedim who claim to be the “real zionists because we keep Torah”. But, that is as absurd as claiming we Jews “are the real Notzrim because we’re going to really bring moshiach”, it’s absurd because it’s ignoring the definition of those who founded and continue to claim the title as their own. You can argue that there are differences across the many generation of evil zionists, you can explain the nuance between the secular zionists and the dati leumi, between the labor and the revisionists, just like you can argue about the changes between nazis in WWII and neo-nazi’s today.
But, words have meanings and labels are chosen for a meaning. “Zionism” means something and there is a reason there is a whole religious movement that calls itself “zionist” and makes itself distinct from other groups. I have, above, defined what I understand to be the common thread that defines the common fundamental ideology that specifically mean “zionism” as commonly used.
That common thread is the rejection of what they call “The Galut Jew”, the rejection of the Divine decree that we Jews remain second class citizens in non-Jewish nations, and the rejection of the Torah definition of “Am Yisroel” and replaced by one that includes michalilei shabbos and apikorsim and porikei ol torah and mitzvos.
This “common thread” is exactly the rejection of the Torah prescribe solution to exile which is specifically and exclusively tshiva and instead replaced with a military and guns and wars that demand “Jewish” domination over our own country and our own land.
Previously you asked me and ignored my answer to the question of what is “zionism”:
here https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/the-antizionism-amongst-religious-jews-has-no-legitimate-detractors/page/6#post-2529457To repeat the answer for readers hear about what is Zionism. one i’ve copied from another resource:
What is Zionism
Zionism is a secular anti-Judaism movement started in the 19th century to disconnect the Jewish community from religious Judaism and replace it with a secular new identity, called the “Hebrew” or “Israeli”. Core to Zionism is the belief in “self-determination” vs the Jewish belief in “divine determination” where the success and safety of Jews is directly linked to our adherence to the Torah and keeping the mitzvos.
Practically, zionism today means the state of Israel has a right to exist, which is counter to the Torah which says that Jews do not have the right to have their own state (in any form) as there is a divine decree that we live as citizens amongst the non-Jewish nations.
tldr
Zionism means the State of Israel has a right to exist and that Jews have a right to self determination.
There are simpler, and even more to the point definitions, but they are only accessible if you have already accepted and learnt only Torah sources and rejected zionism.
Now to answer the current question of “what is a zionist?” it would be who believes that the State of Israel has a right to exist and that Jews have a right to self determination.
@mdd1
can you check your reference. is there a mistake or can you quote and explain?I don’t care about opinions. There is a Torah that defines what is kosher.
Regardless, what I wrote was intentional: “anyone who identifies as a kosher jew”.
I am not sure what type of “dati leumi” you are, the one who knows he’s a kofer and the one who doesn’t.
The Torah is not a secret, it’s content is widely accessible and taught around the world.
@simcah613, you asked a reasonable question. If you meant it sincerely, I don’t believe I can do it justice within the confines of CR (as mentioned above) and you should please reach out to me directly.
I’ll try to answer publicly bl”n when i can get to it. but, if you really want to have the conversation necessary for any serious torah answer, I’ve made my email available and would appreciate if you reach out to me directly. unfortunately, CR has two major systemic hurdles to real conversation: the inability to stay on topic within a open-group linear thread and the painfully slow manual comment editorial review process causing sometimes multi-day delays in a single response.
the invitation to my email is for anyone who identifies as a kosher jew.
would you agree that being “anti-yashke” is a “requirement to be considered a Torah Jew”?
i’m not sure how you will answer, so please explain why yes or no (according to your religion). If you say “it’s nuanced”, please explain that nuance specifically.
It’s a shame that you are more interested in attacking the messenger than learning the Torah being taught.
You sound like a reform when asked why don’t keep shabbos and told that breaking shabbos means they are no longer part of klal yisroel. “most jewsteins would find that statement of chazal abhorrent!”
yet you still wonder why the cries of gedolim have always been specifically against the “religious” branding of zionism, now known as “dati leumi” or “dati yashkeee” or “chashmonaiyeee!
unfortunately you’ve drunk the kool-aid of zionism and you sound just like @rescue defending humanism or every secular chazer-fresser defending reform.
the idolatry of zionism has very little to do with the gemara of shulosh shevios, rather that is just one of the many starting points. this is like saying the whole issue of xitianity is about whether yashke was from beis duvid or not.
but, like “jews for j”, your zionist leaders will tell you that all the tears and mesiras nefesh from gedolim of past was simply a machlokes of shitos, and that their criticisms were against the secular, not the religious. Nonetheless, those gedolim where very explicit that this has nothing to do with shitos or machlokes (in Torah) and the focused targets and war those gedolim waged were explicitly against the priests teaching “religious zionism”.
you’re missing the point BECAUSE you are not part of Am Yisroel.
The Torah demands we Jews love every member of klal yisroel and hate every rebel that is out, regardless of their name, “notrzi” “reform” “dati leumi” or whatever.
Fundamental to your zionism is the idea that we are all – chilonim, notrzrim, reformim, mesoratim, and (lehavdil) yiddin – one single group and we just have different lifestyles or a plurality of viewpoints.
But, no. Torah Judaism rejects all other religions, especially the “av ha teema” called “religious zionism”. We are not “one nation”, we fully reject any connection with those who claim that the zionist state is “Jewish”. We pray for their destruction and downfall three times a day, as per the established prayers of anshei kenses hagedola.
We hate those who hate Hashem because the Torah tells us to.
from Kisvei Hagrai Henkin, #116, pp. 232- 233.
Even if someone appears as a hater, nevertheless it is possible to change him into a friend, as experience teaches – for example, the story with Yaakov versus Esav. And it is a criminal sin (avon plili) of those talkative preachers who constantly preach halachah Esav sonei l’Yaakov and that the hatred Esav has is unrelenting.
This is contrary to the truth, contrary to Chazal, and contrary to Tanach. For Esav himself was not always evil [to us] and his hatred was assuaged by the proper response.
And as this was true regarding the first Esav, so too it is with his future generations. Subjugation brings peace. This is what Ben Zoma means by “Who is honored? He who honors others.” It refers also to the nations. When we honor them and say to them, “You are our friend,” they become friends because of this, and the reverse is true as well – if we say, “You hate us,” they will hate us because of that.
Experience confirms this daily.
Translation taken from Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro’s “The Empty Wagon”
You asked;
> I spent 20 years doing my best to fight against Xtian missionaries
> who target Jews for conversion to their religion.
> How many years did UJM or HaKatan do the same?Well, it looks like @HaKatan has been here in CR fighting the Xtianity called “Religious Zionism” for 19 years:
see https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/users/hakatan
“Registered: 19 years ago”and @UJM has been fighting zionist Xitianity here on CR for 18 years:
see https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/users/ujm
“Registered: 18 years, 5 months ago”I don’t know if they have been fighting “these missionaries who target Jews” longer then this online record.
@hakatan
> we are not “commanded to keep far away from hatred of our fellow Jews” if those Jews are not biChlal amisecha.we are, in fact, commanded to hate them more than we hate nazis.
Just like yashke ymach shemo, kook yemach shemo was a liar and kofer in the Torah. His evil teachings were well documented in his life, with numerous gedolim calling him out and putting his decrepit writing in cherem. He himself was forced to admit that he made up a new torah when famously confronted by – lehavdil – the Gerrer Rebbe ztz”l, but despite kook’s promises to retract his egregious corruption of judaism from his printed books, he never did.
Kook was widely mocked by Gedolim in his life, calling him “the fake prophet”. He was called a “rushe gumir” by Rav Elchonon Wasserman ztz”l. And tzadikim since then have continued to say “yimach shemo” when mentioning him and demanding his books be burned or at least thrown in the garbage like any other book of heresy
from wikipedia:
The Mizrachi (Hebrew: ת� ועת �”מ�-ר�–י, romanized: Tnuat HaMizrahi), not to be confused with Mizrahim or Jews of the East, is a religious Zionist organization founded in 1902 in Vilnius at a world conference of religious Zionists called by Rabbi Yitzchak Yaacov Reines. Bnei Akiva, which was founded in 1929, is the youth movement associated with Mizrachi. Both Mizrachi and the Bnei Akiva youth movement continued to function as international movements. Here the word “Mizrahi” is a notarikon (a kind of acronym) for “Merkaz Ruhani” lit. Spiritual centre: מרכ�- רו�–� י, introduced by rabbi Samuel Mohilever.
I agree with the statement, one that is well established in the Torah, that all followers of Mizrachi are idol-worshippers.
I support:
– beliefs as the yardstick of how we treat others
– shaming and degrading and humiliating others based off what they believe
– that no one is entitled to respect for their own opinion and their own beliefs, rather respect comes from aligning with ultimate truth.
– dehumanization of those who reject or are otherwise not aligned with truth.All the above are supported by me specifically under the guidelines as taught in the Jewish Torah.
False beliefs remove a person’s moral worth, mental states, and inherent dignity, justifying violence or abuse (when allowed by Torah law). In contrast, only those who align with Torah deserve respect.
Moral Consideration: Dehumanization strips heretics of the moral consideration typically granted to Jews, making their suffering seem irrelevant, whereas respecting – chas v’shulem – heretics is an explicit endorsement of those false beliefs.
“Us vs. Them” Thinking: Dehumanization relies on “othering” and tribalism to view a group as fundamentally inferior or animal-like, something necessary to protect oneself from the crooked influence of their rebellion against G-d.
all conversation is “psychological manipulation”, so i I don’t understand why you (according to your crooked worldview) would try to gatekeep specific types of psychological manipulation.
beyond that, you – without explanation – disparage hiding things or being afraid of things “being seen”. Yet, there are many things one should not see, nor want others to see, as there are many thoughts one should be afraid of thinking.
@rescue, I know you are a dumb and deeply evil person, I also know you care very little for Judaism and Truth. But, for the sake of other readers – those who want to learn about Judaism and learn from its Torah – let me point out that in Torah we actively shut down dissent and adamantly reject critical thinking as a foundation of learning. We pray for the Divinely justified death of a “masis” or a “madiach” and we daven for Moshiach to restore our ability to personally “death-penalize” those evil people that try to draw us away from simply following what our fathers and rabbis teach us from Sinai.
@rescue, please leave the Jews alone and stop proselytizing your stupid religion on this website.for those who are jewish and care what the Torah teaches us,
The Ramban (parshas ki savo) says the Divine promise of protection for the Jewish people is specifically for the Jews in chitz l’uretz – making Eretz Yisroel the most dangerous place for Jews.