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I can’t believe people are telling their teens to wear coats. Seriously? You think they can’t monitor their own temperature? You think if they choose not to in order to irritate you that asking is a good idea? If I wanted them to listen, I’d probably be a lot more careful about what I was asking.
I defer to the expert, I’ve just never experienced it. I will say that I have now been using Rebbitzen Kanievsky’s recipe (as I mentioned on some other thread somewhere) and I have never had dough so soft and smooth on a consistent basis before. Bli Ayin Hora (incase you had any thoughts of that)
I’ve heard . . .
If that is indeed true, than I take pity on them, but I would harldly consider it a curricular norm based on that report, sorry.
many have to work today and are not going til later. Besides, the hotel probably has wifi.
the dough can rise indefinitely if the flour has elasticity. if it is cracking than I am guessing that it is too stiff to expand. more oil could make it smoother and stretchier.
phew!
Anyone going this year? If so, I will be there as a keynote speaker. of course women don’t speak so I will be going under a different screen name.
i’ve never heard of that happening from too much yeast. Too much flour maybe.
seperate from the other post, so it doesn’t get lost, your suggestion is exactly how it was taught to my kids and the 4 inch rule makes it a LOT easier to shop. If it is 3 inches but still covers the knee, NOBODY CARES, it is just as fine!
GAW – so here’s MY problem. Please understand that I am coming from the SAME place as you and would have made the exact same comment. but that would have been without actually having a clue how they were taught, just assuming all those things you said. Do you really have a daughter in BY who was taught to measure her skirt without being given an explanation? Have you been sitting in with those girls listening to them wonder what 4 inches has anything to do with skirts?
Those are very strong and serious allegations about a whole community, and maybe you really did find this to be true among your BY friends, but I was spouting those EXACT comments most of my life, with the support of my friends, and I found out I was actually TOTALLY incorrect.
those allegations are loads of fun but they are just trash talk. Nobody wants to hear or believe that but most of the crud that each side spews about the other is based on ignorant assumptions, or deciding that if it happened in my community it means the rest of the Jewish world is also doing it, and the damage has been irreparable.
If you don’t like what you see, Thank Gd you aren’t the one doing it. And pray for clarity for your fellow Jew.
interesting how the thread turned a bit into “why its really okay to put down those people because really they deserve it”
I don’t see a huge difference in the put downs from either side, both sides are pretty hurtful (spiteful?) and nothing is ever gained. Every person should work on their own daled amos and not worry about the next guys ‘level’.
is making sure their skirt is long enough offensive to you or is there a different point you were trying to make. What ‘method’ would you prefer girls to use?
they aren’t giving that message, I think their intent is for you to look for a place that is a better fit.
they ask at the bar mitzvah. if he said yes back then, he would be hard-pressed to find a way out now. I know someone who went through that.
I disagree. I don’t think they are trying to soothe their consciences, I think they are putting down the higher level of frumkiet to make sure it doesn’t threaten them into change.
I agree with you 100%. I must say, tho, that I can tell you some equally horrific stories about people who were classmates to children who “should have” been thrown out but weren’t. Though I DO agree with you, it needs to be discussed with the reality of both sides.
there is a part of me that would like to answer this way: I would like to be in Rabbi so-and-so’s office when he is alone, knocking things off shelves, pressing the speaker phone button, writing things on his notepad – scaring the heck out of him in the hopes of making him feel momentarily helpless and dispelling a smidgen of his gaavah.
But I’m working on myself . . .
I would want to be at a really bad crime scene right before it happens so I could either prevent it, or at least make sure the guilty party gets punished.
how nerdy is that!
Random question cuz there are no threads that interest me today in the CR…
I’m with you!
It’s hard to answer because I don’t like the idea of being sneaky or spying. Let me think and get back to you . . .
The research linking autism to vaccines were actually found to be forged data. never was a link. but I don’t think there is any link to age of parents or socialization either.
We believe that HKBH uses doctors to help heal people, not quacks with insane theories that prey on grieving and helpless people
I personally would never claim to have a clue who and what Hashem uses. but either way, I agree with oomis and this is not the time for this. Not at all.
Sam2 – first you said the signatures were meaningless, then you said they are responsible for giving the guy tons of money. And furthermore, do you really think that this guy has the power to give or take a life? Do you really think that if Hashem wants this boy to live be”H, that decision will be affected by choosing this, or any other doctor? Do you really think that Hashem is waiting for that last signature to decide whether or not this beautiful child will recieve the refuah he needs? I am surprised and disappointed in you. So not like your usual posts . . .
Great, cuz Jewel is closed and I thought I was going to have to pick out the chips from a package of store bought cookies to use instead.
I made a quadruple recipe of chocolate chip cookie dough without knowing I’m out of chocolate chips 🙁
you seem to have too much time on your hands, are you off today?
I would have to say that the tiny bit of information I have about punishment after death is a very large part of my decision making on a daily basis.
you rested your case but I am not sure you bought the whole jury 🙂
DY – still makes sense to me in future tense, i put it in past tense to simplify it for *your* understanding 🙂
Sam2 – I believe you are limitiing Hashem and I am not. That is why i dont accept your presentation.
Haleivi – do i sense someone is agreeing with me, or simply helping me out? Thank you. though i wont be anywhere near manhatten on my day off, i like that explanation.
thats just you repeating yourself again. what I am saying is closer to – I am 100% certain you will do x though it was POSSIBLE that you would do y. Your free will takes place in your head. your choice takes place in the physical world. I know what will be, but you still had a choice.
now you will insist again that it is a paradox, and i ill say agan that i see no contradiction so maybe this is beyond pointless.
you can restate it 100 times, i still disagree. i am not misunderstanding your point and in need of clarification, i am disagreeing. they are mutually exclusive.
no,you didn’t show me it does, you TOLD me it does, but it doesn’t.
and its not a paradox just because you say it is.
no, you are connecting two things again that dont connect. I am NOT saying that it is 100% certain that you will do x yet its possible that you will do y. I am saying that my *knowledge* of what you do has NOTHING to do with your decision making process. Period.
no need for breaking it down. I understood it but I don’t agree with the concept. For me, the breakdown is “that means, by definition, that it is not possible that I will do otherwise.” I think you are making a leap that does not exist. If you are telling me that we are told that it is so, I will accept it. But I see it as an illogical conclusion.
I have found a large percentage of the pictures on onlysimchas to be somewhere between disappointing and depressing. Having a simcha site without pictures is a huge draw for me.
I keep hearing that but it makes no sense to me. I still see no contradiction.
so if you want to marry a guy who learns for 3-5 years and then gets a job, but you end up single til 27 and he has already finished those years, does he have to start over again?
but it was never about whether or not Yiddish was the equivalent of English. I agree 100% that Yiddish was the language of the Jews and you can still find a connection to secular Russians by speaking in Yiddish, but that does not give it the same status as lashon hakodesh and does not ‘okay’ it to be used to be called up to the Torah. Rabbi Krohn writes (I did not say paskins) that one should NOT use Yiddish names lichatchila, but that it is okay to name after someone who’s name is Yiddish. He has obviously researched the matter well, and would be a good source of information for you.
My name (on the other hand) is not really a name. It is often used, and it is a character trait of my grandfather, after whom my mother wished to name me. Although it is lashon hakodesh, and is a beautiful name, I would not have made the same choice for my own kids.
Golfer – though I don’t agree at all, can I still have some coffee?
I actually liked Popa’s pizza analogy.
I thought it was stupid
I was told that Yiddish names were given so that the men could have secular names to use for business. Whether that is true or not, giving my kids a yiddish name was not an option.
I read Rabbi Krohn’s Bris Milah book carefully before each bris to guide us. We intended to use only one name for each child but, unfortunately, many of the kids are named after very special neshamos who died young and we needed to add a name.
maybe, but i wouldn’t hesitate to use a non-random shadchan with a low success rate because he is only responsible for the pairing, Hashem decides the rest.
I don’t think it is about success rate, I think it is randomness of the match. I remember being 20 and going to NY to date. I only dated out of towners and said explicitly that I would not consider living in NY. The shadchan fixed me up with a 25 year old who had a prestigious job in Manhattan and owned a condo on the upper west side.
You tell him Goq!
It wasn’t onegoal, it was me.
yitay – no its not
I know choosing candy is not bechira, I was being simplistic.
I didn’t miss the point, I disagreed. They’re not comparable.
No, that wasn’t what I said nor meant. A ball’s course is determined at the outset by the laws of science and nature, and whether or not you know what course it will take depends on your abilities to make the right calculations. I said that if a boy stands in front of a candy counter and is given the option to choose a candy, it is not a predetermined course that can be calculated with any super computers. He is free to choose, and the more you know about him, the better able you are to predict what choice he will make. That is a very different issue.
I wasn’t trying to map out an answer to the questions of the universe, I was just trying to explain why knowing what someone will do does not impede on their ability to make their own choices.
If you watch your young child make a decision, there’s a good chance you will know in advance what he will decide. When you know your spouse really well, there is a good chance you will know some of his/her decisions as well. The better you know someone, the more thoroughly you know them, the better you can know what there choices will be. But this does not affect the decision in any way. Since Hashem knows us inside and out and knows all our motivations, it shouldn’t be too hard for Him to know the paths we will take. But until we take those paths and make those choices, it is US who don’t know and it is WE who need to learn ourselves through taking note of the choices/decisions we make.
I was brought up in a frum, tzioni home. I was very active in Bnai Akiva. We saw the chareidim as very close minded and judgemental, never having a clue why what we learned and observed was ‘inadequate’. Had we not been Shomer Shabbos it might have made sense to us but we didn’t know what their complaints were.
When I hit my late teens I worked in a camp with some kids from BY. They were ‘normal’ and answered a million of my questions. I started making different changes and found my old chevra to be very judgemental and close minded to my changes, so much like what we accused the others of being.
When I became a Bnos leader I listened to the young girls insult and put down people from the more modern schools, but most of what they said was from ignorance. I explained to them how mistaken they were and was also explaining to my old friends how mistaken they were. I too felt I lived with one foot in each door.
As an adult, I have chosen a more chareidi lifestyle, but you know kids, they are either knocking those who are different, or wishing they could join them. They knock people I grew up respecting, and they also knock the hypocrisy of their own daled amos. If only there was more of an understanding of where everyone else was at, there would be less animosity on one hand, and less thinking the grass is greener on the other hand.
But meanwhile I find myself always explaining, always trying to bridge the gap, always thinking that if i just explain the fallacy of their thinking I could make shalom somewhere.
OURtorah – that was so beautifully said. My life was very similar to what you are describing and I have made that same speech so many times. Many times here as well. I hope you are more successful in getting people to see the obvious than I have been.
Keep up the efforts.
maskim, Goq. But I didn’t think the east coasters considered everything west of Pennsylvania west, I thought they just assumed the country ended there.
On a related note, I was at a REALLY fancy Chicago wedding this week, they even had silverware!!!!