🍫Syag Lchochma

(Psst-mazel tov!)

“I think this entire exercise is one which lends itself to someone being insulted.”

without question

But I accept halevi’s mussar.

I actually have to side with Joseph on this one. My kids used to insist I video or take pictures of certain events in their lives and I always ended up feeling like I missed out. Viewing things through a lens is not the same a being there. I am all for taking my own pictures regardlesso of who else is also doing so but viewing events through a lens certainly takes away.

If my neighbors make that kind of noise when they practice for plays the whole building will be happy to see them go.

“If we’re dealing with someone who does have daas, then presumably if he didn’t call right away (or somehow intervene), he didn’t think there was immediate danger, but is concerned about the ongoing situation.”

Or, more likely, he unfortunately suffers from the same cognitive/emotional roadblock that has allowed thousands to suffer abuse right under people’s noses for decades.

“The now edited out word you used was a reference to her appearance” (mod comment you edited out)
exactly, and a very explicitly specific appearance.

Then I apologize about the unfiltered option but I’m on the fence about the imagination, but not your overwhelming hatred for people who may also not be as it appears. This habit of yours, goes against everything our Torah teaches about about how to see, judge and speak about people. You are wrong. Even if she actually is the epitome of evil, your behavior as a learned Jew is unexcusable.

“It’s an Anti-Semitic self-hating Jew traveling together with her Yarmulka wearing boyfriend sitting next to her.”

I love how your version of our religion always involved not just assuming the worst about people, but actually stating it as fact. You should be embarrassed. Even if she is any, or all of what you say, does a crumb of a pintele yid still live somewhere inside of you begging you to at least make a show of judging someone less harshly….if more favorably is just too far beyond your means? c’mon, give it a try.

Maybe try hating less.

oh Joseph, so sweet of you to offer but I don’t think it happens often enough that you should worry about it.
😏

I don’t follow the news enough to know all the details here, but I have followed the news enough to know anyone who still thinks anything they read really happened that way is a bit nuts.
Having said that, as someone who supported trump only because he wasn’t Hilary, I have no problem hearing people complain about him. But the posters here who are spewing against his stupidity and asinine COMMENTS, while extoling/having extolled the virtues of the former administration who LITERALLY FUNDED THE TERRORISTS responsible for the Barcelona attack and kissed terrorist leaders while pretending these car rammings were all random acts of psych ward runaways – you really are missing some serious cognitive pieces. own up or sit this one out. Playing both sides of the fence is just plain dishonest.

“this will be my last post here.”

Nice out. I guess that means you won’t be answering questions either.

mw13 – so you want me to think that you were just popping in to ask a benign old question to calm things down and you just can’t imagine why I would take offense. Assuming you are sincere, here is the answer. You have done this to me several times. You will pop into an argument about something and accuse me of being leftist, modern or Gd knows what because I dare express we don’t jump to conclusions on something. I have told you how offensive I find that and you sometimes apologize, but then return to do it again.

In my mind, nobody who is “sincerely” asking the question would preface it with asking me if I believe there is an issue of mesira. Unless you were asking me if I believe there is an issue of mesira *here*, which is not how I understood it (I thought you were asking me if the issue exists). But then to ask me if I would believe a rumor in a playground, that cannot be taken as anything but a put down. Did you really think you could ask about a scenario that’s so blatantly wrong and expect me to think you were sincere in wanting my opinion? Do I give the impression that I call the police on playground rumors? Do you really think asking someone if they hold that way *isn’t* condescending? Frankly, that *is* pretty silly. Had you asked a straight question, I would have answered. Even though I don’t think it has much to do with the conversation and am not sure why you would even bother targeting my opinion when there are others much more learned than I am.

I hope that gives you some insight into why I see your posts as an attempt to ‘chepper’ for some reason I have yet to understand, and like many in that position i chose not to engage because the impression is that the questioner doesn’t really care.

If I am wrong (this time and all the past times), then I apologize. I will try to ‘read’ you differently but I would ask if you could somehow adjust your questioning as well.
and besides all of that, your questions had already been answered

“not every single thing said to you in this forum is intended as a personal insult.”

Every single thing in this forum? I was talking about your posts specifically, as I noted. If you don’t I tend to insult, you may want to rethink how you ask your “questions”

P.s. https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/calling-cops-on-frum-beighbor/page/2/#post-1337320

CG – I hear ya! I didn’t mean you, I was just describing how I found out that there are some people who can’t see in their minds. I find it so fascinating and went to do a bit of research. Thanks so much for bringing it up.

Not sure what your issue is but that comment doesn’t even fit the situation. These aren’t *my* tragedies, I never claimed purity and I’m sorry you can’t deal with me trying to protect abuse victims from people who want to pretend the tv is on. Are you one of those people? Is that why this bothers you? Perhaps you would consider expressing your view in words instead of popping in and batul-ing me and my opinion.

Whatever.

I have a lot of trouble understanding how you can think it is appropriate to insert those types of responses in these types of conversations. It’s either very poor taste in humor, or batuling a lot of people who really don’t deserve that disrespect.

There is a boy who is OTD who’s mom heard shrieking from the other room but she figured it was his radio. There is a girl in the psych unit (again) who’s aunt heard shrieking from her son’s room but she figured they were doing a play.
There is a girl in the ER (again) for attempted suicide who’s bubbie heard shrieking from the basement but she figured she was just playing house.
There is a boy in rehab who’s brother heard shrieking from the tutor’s study but he was fairly certain it was part of the homework.
There is a boy…well there was a boy….he’s dead now…who’s school secretary heard shrieking from an office but she was sure he was just happy to be talmid hashavua again.

It isn’t the psak of the gedolim that is the problem. It’s people who can’t seem to figure out the difference between allegations and pikuach nefesh.

You insist on submitting names of gedolim who say not to call police but that just adds smoke and mirrors. Nobody says to ignore a psak. When a gadol hador says that in situation A you do A, and in situation B you do B, you cannot keep accusing people of ignoring a psak just because they see situation B as B when you see it as A. You have decided that any situation at all involving a male inflicting pain on another as being ‘no biggie’ (see all corporal punishment etc threads for evidence of this). To you, everything is situation A. The rest of us seem to have a different view of aggression and abuse and are labeling it B. If you see A, then do A. We are seeing B and are doing B. The arguing is primarily on your tolerance level for other people’s pain, not on what the gedolim prescribe.

Having said that, the OP himself said police OR SHOMRIM. getting help from a jewish organization for someone WHO NEEDS IT is not equal to calling 911 and you have to stop calling everyone a moser for wanting to get appropriate help.

it wasn’t a random example. You were answering to the claim that calling police won’t mess up the family if nobody is doing anything wrong. Bringing a non related example wouldn’t make any sense. You were trying to illustrate that with the new law and the lack of proper training calling the police could indeed damage this family even if nobody is guilty. Straying from the point would not be very productive unless your point is to convolute.

If I hear SHREIKING (formerly changed to yelling) next door that causes me to worry about the safety of my neighbor (formerly changed to just a typical interaction) then I should ignore my concern for a fellow Jew possibly in distress or danger and go ask my rov. Because even though Halacha DOES NOT tell us to ignore a Jew in POSSIBLE distress or danger, Joseph prefers it that way.

Limited comprehension but I think I got it.

I don’t disagree with any halachos, ch”v, especially mesira. I disagree with you distorting stories to pretend they are something they aren’t and then distorting Halacha to rile people up. It’s disgusting. And to accuse me of disliking a Halacha is disgusting as well. At least my accusations are backed up by your own comments and behaviors. Calling this mesira is a figment of your imagination. You brought it in to the discussion, not the OP nor the anonymous rov, and you are changing each line of the story to try to imply that it is. If it really was mesira, this would be a different discussion. and not quite as entertaining for you.

mistaken beliefs? its baloney, that’s all. In one breath you say,” requiring that an officer make an arrest during a situation where the officers suspect domestic violence ”

and then you say,”This results in many innocent arrests and unwarranted court and civil and crimson authorities interfering in families lives.”

play both sides of the fence much? If they mandatorily arrest when they suspect violence, then what’s your beef? Face it, you don’t think abuse is wrong and you don’t think it should be stopped and you don’t think abusers should be arrested. So strong is this belief of yours that you are getting bent out of shape about people giving opinions that seem to contradict a rov you never heard of who may even be a reform convert for all you know.

And honestly, I don’t think anyone is complaining about the rav, as much as they are complaining about the fact that the OP thought there might be danger but chose to ask a shaila instead of calling for help.

“However, screaming and yelling does not rise to the level of calling the authorities.”

Agreed, generally. However nobody said screaming and yelling, the word used was shrieking. That’s not the same thing.
(See Joseph, amazing how those little twists change the playing field)