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mothers belong at home with their families. new babies are a difficult enough transition on the other kids, they don’t need their mother to go awol. Don’t teach them that they are something people “need a break from”. bleh
thank you very much for explaining your intent in this. I just wish you would have approached it as a quesiton on the filmmakers or a non-public question. You specifically question the story itself with a not-so-nice tone that is bothersome.
Bli neder, I will ask two friends to check out the dollar bill that was shown. I will not ask for validity on the story, or on the fact that the dollar showed up, I think that would be petty and disrespectful. But I will try to find the answer to the part that is bothering you simply because you are seeking truth.
additionally, i was kind of surprised in the first place that someone like you – as you have presented yourself over the years – could have walked away from THAT story, in THAT venue with THAT thought.
coffee – really? you must be kidding! What business do you have arguing a story that people who know him remember? The Dennis’ live in Florida, I live in Chicago. I went to summer camp with his kids when we were 11, 12 and 13 years old and over the years some of them married chicagaoans and our paths still cross. Why the heck would a 11 year old not telling that story over to his friends at camp be a validation of anything?! I find your questioning that to be pretty offensive. If you have a question about a story that has a name attached to it, either make a phone call to check it out, or keep your thoughts off of the internet.
“allfreindly – i didnt mean it like that. i meant that going to medical school for a single person is HARDER than being married with kids.”
” its MUCH HARDER to go to college than get married and have kids. “
“Meno – thats NOT what i meant. i meant that i think getting married and having kids is easier than medical school just by watching others and seeing what kind of times people have.”
“im guessing that i would be much happier getting married and having kids than going to college and becoming a doctor because its easier.”
We heard you. But nobody agrees with you. And you admit that you don’t even have any facts/experience to back up your claims.
The man was Dr. Joel Dennis. He had 13 children at a time when most people didn’t. He was committed to his children and to the community and he took a year to act as principal to get the school on their feet. He told them he would do it for a dollar.
I’m not sure why it would be difficult to see the importance of such a man and his actions.He had a very successful practice and I don’t know if he took a sabbatical or did both, but not many would be willing to do what he did for the sake of their children’s school. Perhaps the dollar resurfaced the week (day) of his levaya so that people couldn’t question the story. Or so that people wouldn’t forget to tell it over. Either way, I knew many of his children for almost 40 years and never had heard it. I thought it was highly inspiring.
“I don’t believe people should go to secular college.” me
“College has dangers. If one needs to go it should be done with tremendous care and research and support” me
“So only those supportive of college, like herself” Joseph
If you decide to tangent off onto anything else you can find and deny the fact that the Torah demands us to be truthful while this is a lie, outright and indisputable, then your frumkeit cannot possibly be genuine.
And your lies? can lies ever be edited?
Thank you. I appreciate your somewhat limited-as-a-newcomer viewpoint and will consider it in my next post to them/him.
Or perhaps you will jump a bit slower to conclusions.
you are an outright liar. Go back thru my posts and see where I support college. I am very clear in SEVERAL posts that I don’t support college.
You disgust me.
“Any sane person knows that Joseph’s comments are not what put your children at risk.”
Rasha, mah hu omer
You know what, nisht? When you can’t tell the difference between me commenting on your condescending attitude and posts toward individuals which is beyond inappropriate for someone of your level of learning, and makes us “right wingers” look bad, and supporting their views, so much so that you call him one of my favorite posters;
and you can’t tell the difference between me speaking out against Joseph’s MISREPRESENTATION of a dangerous situation with added detail and elaborations that dilute the actual, REAL, HONEST danger that our gedolim are able to express without made up scriptwriting, and supporting college, than answering you is futile.
but the point is that Joseph either went to college himself and is being hypocritical, or he is making dramatic and detailed descriptions about every university accross the country purely from made up scenario’s based on information from very limited sources. Who sits in a dungeon and describes a rain forest? Who sits in a desert and describes what rainstorms look like? He makes this stuff up and everyone nods their heads in agreement while the ones who end up in college find out he was lying.
Joseph, if you had any REAL faith in your rabbaim you wouldn’t need to make up stories and situations, you could just spit out the truth and let it speak for itself. You are putting our children AT RISK!
“No I’m talking about girls whom are already online. If you are already online, why not read some kosher stuff? “
I feel like crying
sure, over breakfast.
You have no idea how much risk you put our children in by pretending that the world is black or white. College has dangers. If one needs to go it should be done with tremendous care and research and support. For you to spout that there is no way to do that, and that the very walls are preaching toeva and evolution is false. And when kids who go see that you made it up, they will, Gd forbid, wonder what else you made up.
This has lost us MANY MANY children. You need to be more careful about what bullets you load your gun with because we are losing youngsters by the hundreds to these overgeneralizations.
apushatayid – I cannot answer your question but I have to say I don’t think it is a question. It is more of a painful reality. If you substitute “chashuve serious bnei torah” with ‘wives of “chashuve serious bnei torah”‘ and ‘smoking’ for ‘wearing tight/short/inappropriate clothing’ you will be asking the question that has plagued me for at least a decade.
Shopping – I really have no idea what you are actually talking about but if you are trying to get teens who don’t use internet or media to join your blogs/websites/writings online I hope you will reconsider.
Unless you were talking about online advertising to girls who aren’t online to tell them about real life stuff.
Wolf – I think it’s in the pasuk right after the one that says smartphones are 100% mutar
lesschumras – tell them to move to Chicago 🙂
who ever said that you even NEED an evolution course. College doesn’t list “1 evolution course” on their prerequisite list. They write, “Bio101″ or Bio103”. The frum places know how to teach them to fulfull the requirement of both Torah and the minor requirement of the colleges. Then they transfer a course that is called Bio101, not “evolution course”
you NEED an evolution
I’m not sure how much research you have done on the issue but I will say that if my school required me to take an evolution course (which I doubt), I would take the equivalent course in a frum place and transfer the credits.
“No courses in evolution or certain sciences or political courses that teach or espouse apikorsus? “
We’ve been down this road before! Why do you insist that everyone has to take evolution courses? or political apikorsus? Many of us who have actually been to college have told you it isn’t a given but you sit on the outside and insist anyway.
Why can’t the truth be good enough for you? Why can’t being true to the Torah be good enough for you? Why do all the peripheral add-ons need to live on whether they actually apply or not?
I don’t believe people should go to secular college. I also don’t believe women should work at all. I also don’t believe children should be raised by anyone other than their moms. But that doesn’t mean all the PERIPHERAL restrictions that existed in the 1920’s 1970’s or 1990’s still exist or apply!
It is causing great confusion to children in this generation to hear non halachik restristrictions presented as truth and law. It is a tremendous disservice to Hashem and His Torah to enforce gobs of restrictions lacking the brilliance He put into the rules He laid out for us. Be thoughtful in your adherence, stick to the Torah that Hashem wrote and not the guidelines your ancestors lived by default.
That said, I don’t see anything wrong with offering folks to buy it and paying them a premium that doesn’t represent the full market value.
And that’s what really upsets me, the fact that I knew you would hold that position. It plays into/validates the negative stereo that I keep praying doesn’t exist. Why would someone who is so overly strict about Torah observance that they recommend beating your wife and keeping her home but when it comes to financial grey areas you suddenly have vision problems.
I can already anticipate your denial, as we have been thru this so many times before, but it is quite a sad reality.
it doesnt bother me at all the fact that you know something about me in the coffeeroom thats the fake me & not the personal me
how blessed i am to have woken up long ago to reality & removed myself from corruption after many years of making honesty my top priority & it still remains today
seriously?
Never mind, they got a flight…….
Thank you all so much.
I am now onto my next geographical challenge and am sure someone out there can help…
Is there kosher food available at JFK, (real food, not snacks) or does anyone near there deliver? This isn’t someone spendthrifty, just in a “pickle”
🙁
Sorry, I didn’t see it, just got the reports and I guess that piece didn’t come up. Also, to me Florida is Florida I don’t really know that difference.
I didn’t realize you were really wondering about the bill itself, just the gadlus of the story – both stories. Are you thinking it didn’t really happen?
hey coffee – remembering where you live(d) I had a feeling that was what you were talking about!!
I was close with a few of Dr Dennis’ children and as soon as the fast ended got calls from other childhood friends about the story. We were so stunned about the bill, and unbelievably impressed by the reason he got it. How many of us put ourselves out there like that for our children and their chinuch.
We were trying to figure out if the ten had been dormant til then somewhere, or circulating around for all those years….
LU-If you read my post you would know that I wasn’t insulted about that comment but was pointing out how insulting it could be to others.
I’m not quite sure why your posts today are so different from what they had been all week but they used to be filled with support and inspiration and today it has been a lot of finger pointing and putting in our place. I genuinely hope there is nothing going on in your life causing you pain to have brought on this change. If there is, I wish you a quick resolution.
well I don’t know if you can answer that objectively. Maybe you can read thru your posts and take some notes.
“you have the same issue with depression like me.”
is it just me or do you seem to have everything that seems to come up in each discussion?
Yup, what he says.
Health – Thank you so much as well! He was worried about missing the bus so he ran to the grocery store to get food! I never would have seen it cuz on google it looks like an out of business building but then there’s a guy in a black hat pushing a shopping cart in the parking lot. I tried to find something looking like an entrance but couldn’t. I never would have sent him over there.
I always find those types of comments very bothersome for reasons I will not waste time on now. I agree that many of the posting is difficult to decipher as well as highly redundant and painful to engage with. For that reason I have increased my posting but I am trying to work around the issue. I can only do so with others joining in.
There are many people missing right now probably for the same reason that you are not missing – because it is bein Hazmanim and many many families are spending time together, thankfully without wifi. For you to decide they “voted with their feet” is highly speculative at best. I would be beyond grateful to you, and whomever else feels similarly, if you would use the displacement theory to change things.
Lamenting is the lazy way, and it isnt fair to the host or those present. It is, if you will, it’s own form of “drama”.
Dash! Thank you SO much! I tried “driving” around using google maps but I went in the opposite direction so it looked kind of barren. Now I followed your directions and found the pizz shop. This will be so great because I can “walk” him thru it from across the country and not worry about him wandering in a foreign land.
Thank you!
thanks golfer for the undeserved compliments!
I know we discussed that issue before, at this time I was really pointing more to the idea that it is not appropriate to make such comments about greying hair any more than about being fat. If you don’t like your grey, then dye it. But don’t call it ugly and give the impression a person might be making the wrong choice if they don’t dye it because that isn’t fair. Some people may not care, some people may have made peace with it and it isn’t necessary to catagorize it as a negative without giving a thought to all the people it may apply to.
I didn’t feel insulted, the rest of my hair was grey long ago and I honestly forgot I even had a grey streak til it came up here a couple times. It isn’t about me, tho. It’s about being sensitive even about things that you don’t think are a problem. Anytime you are going to comment negatively about an appearance, realize there are many others out there who may be swept into the same catagory. If it is universally bad, than fine. But sometimes it isn’t.
hi everyone, so next question.
Once he gets dropped off at the bus terminal in lakewood, are there any places to eat very close by that he can walk to without getting lost? (Not sure if the terminal is still in a frum area.)
and i forget to mention the stupidest part of all is that NOBODY EVEN SEES YOUR HAIR!!
lilmod – are you okay? you don’t seem to be yourself today?
i’m sorry but I need to chime in here. The two people most strongly speaking out against being insulting to others seem to be forgetting to turn the mirror in their own direction.
I had a streak of grey hair from early in my childhood and nobody gave a hoot. Come time to go out and the shadchanim were all over it. I never felt so ugly and degraded. They presented it as “ugly”, “a turn off”, “makes a bad impresion” etc. You know what?! That was MY choice. If they want me to put on a false front then they have their priorities all messed up. And I know some of you have your opinions about that, we’ve already discussed it, but those comments from you both are very cutting and judgemental. And if GD FORBID the person is grey because she is an older single than I believe you have some serious agmos nefesh on your hands.
Thank you for listening.
hiram – I don’t think she means to hate with her labeling. She just seems to perseverate a lot on otd and mo and it kinda comes up in all the conversations. I feel bad for newcomers cuz it sounds kinda insulting but I know that if the mods don’t let the posts thru they get blamed for that too.
that’s really funny. What number represents ice cream?
Abba_S, I wouldn’t say this if you didn’t write the above post so please accept it in that context –
before you comment on her writing you may want to re-read many of your posts. the punctuation, errors etc is very similar, in my opinion. I just assumed english was not your first language. Either way, I find that many posters here may be very articulate face to face but aren’t able to express themselves in writing as they do in thought or language. Unless they are asking for opinions, or harassing other posters you just look past it.
just adding that zdads comment started off with the claim that the Torah is the proper road map. Taking several paths and giving validity to others paths applies within the Torah roadmap.
Puh lease- how are you? I just want you to know that I have been thinking about you and all your struggles on and off during the years since you last posted about them. I think I even tried an email I found on a blog once…
I can’t say I am not sorry that you are not religious, but I am also sorry that we have not found a better way to keep these children who suffer and struggle. Just wanted you to know that someone from “this side” does care and think about you.
sorry,lf, and thanks for explaining. I did not mean it literally so I didn’t connect your comment to what I wrote
VM – you done good! Whether or not it was appreciated you were 100% right and they are making a huge spiritual mistake.
No, Syag. Keep your hair!!
is that supposed to be funny or just rude?
and in two seconds “someone” will feel a need to argue with me becuse they will assume I am chareidi bashing – instead of hearing my point – and will feel obligated to negate it whether it is right or not.
And i hate that too.
this is one of those really bad comments that fans the flames between different hashkafos.
the op (if he wasnt just trying to provoke) was painting a picture that was not a real match to his words. Other people are responding to the picture of boisterous, loud, immodest behavior and those who read the post are hearing it being responded to as it was written.
This happens all the time and makes huge rifts. Case in point, the kugel story.
I hate rifts. i hate hate. i hate people fighting because they will jump on anything someone else says purely because of who said it (not here but in other threads)
***pulling hair out***