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Joseph
Medical professionals wear n95 which are fit tested to each individual.
These do protect the wearer.Yserbius
There was a thread recently asking why people post.
Changing minds was not one of my reasons.I enjoy this thread, if you don’t (and I fully understand why most wouldn’t) feel free not to click it.
Don’t worry you won’t miss much this thread started off absurd and things went downhill from there. You won’t miss a thing.just ignore it
“-theres a difference when something is inside the body and once its expelled out it changes”
source please
“Theres a reason for going to the bathroom. I would not advise putting that stuff back into your system”
I don’t know what “in your system” means. Obviosuly if it ends up where it wasn’t before it can cause problems. If it goes to where it was before obviously it wouldn’t
anyway we are going down some strange rabbit hole where you back up one absurd statement with another built upon a wrong assumption resting on a misconception.
LEts back up this tangent.
You said ” wearing a mask makes you sick by “activating” the virus. ”
How?
Don;t answer mumbo jumbo about CO2 or bacteria.
how does the virus get “activated” by leaving the system ?“Anyway keep inhaling your own carbon dioxide seems to be doing wonders for you”
not just my own., everyone. Ambient air contians mostly nitrogen and O2 some argon , Co2 and water (earlier you said “You breathe in h20.” not much, but more than Co2)Also If you dont have questions for me.
I have a few for you that you havent answered
1) how does the virus get activated by going into a mask?
2) Do you supprot maks use now., in your last post you compared breating in your own brea h to “a runny nose and mucus” Why would you spread your runny nose on mucus on those around you?
3) On Friday the weatherman reported it would snow on Shabbos. It Did!
does that mean he is controlling the weather?thanks
“Thanks for clarifying that doc,”
Absolutly no problem.
” but yes you are inhaling carbon dioxide since its in a confined space between your nose and mask.” The mask is desinged for gas to pass through Carbodn dioxide doesnt get trapped it flows out (I mean sure a few molecules might hang around and get re-inhaled but so what)
” Oh the bacteria you already exhaled? Then what a great idea to inhale it back into your system genius.”
what would the harm be? These are bacteria that were already in your respiratory tract they doidnt pose ham on the first go around, why would exhaling them and re-inhaling the cause harm the second time?
” How about when you clean your runny nose or cough up mucus into a tissue just rub it back into your nose and mouth great idea. After all you it came out of your own system whats the harm in putting it back in?”
Seems gross but I’m not sure what the harm would be.
But I’ll throw this right back at you. How about clean your nose or cough up mucus and rub it on someone else’s nose. Because in the absence of a mask that is EXACTLY what you are suggesting.
“-oh thats right because thats what we were trying to treat with fresh air my mistake”
what?
“Oh so before it was ineffective to wear a mask since there was a shortage”
no.
Wearing a mask does littel to protect the wearer. Before it wasn’t fully appreciated how contagious asymptomatic people are. So given that there were not enough masks. Wearign it to ptotect yourself (when it doesn’t offer much protection) didnt make much sense. Save them for the far more exposed healthcare workers.“masks are nothing new they have been around long enough for there to be enough research on them.”
No the masks arent new. but the virus is.“Thanks doc. ”
You are most welcome.“Would you be so kind as to appear on TV interviews and Youtube”
sure.Please let me know if You have any other questions.
I have one for you though.
On Friday the weatherman reported it would snow on Shabbos. It Did!
does that mean he is controlling the weather? Thanks“What was the outcome, if you know?”
It wasnt a lot of patients. 1 I stopped because it QTc rose a lot. the rest did the same as the patients who didnt get it.
“What was the way they got O2 – mask, intubation or other?”
The few I prescribed were all outpatients none got oxygen“Was it given on or near the onset of the virus, or later on?
probably onset they had mild sx (fever/cough) tested positive so I started it“Was it given with Z-pack or not? ”
noThat said almost all the hospitalized pts I have seen got it. Few did well. But I see a biased sample, as Ive said from the onset I wouldn’t extrapolate from my cohort to others.
“When you have your mask on all day as they “recommend”, you are breathing in your own carbon dioxide and any other bacteria that is piling up inside your mask”
Carbon dioxide doesn’t stick to your mask. and any bacteria is bacteria youve already exhaled
And at nay rate what doe these wrong statments have to do with the question
which was how does the virus get “activated” by wearing a mask.“Did you forget about the old fashioned remedy of just good old air when you are sick to freshen yourself up and kill germs? ”
no never heard of that. Ar you suggesting using “fresh air” to treat those with sepsis?“What happened to opening up the window every now and then or taking a walk for some fresh air?”
Fantastic. Keep doing it nothing happend to that.” How do you do that when you are wearing your muzzle all day long?”
I’m not wearign a muzzle(nor a maks) all day long. Who suggested that?
” Isn’t that a bit counterintuitive? ”
No it isn’t. Though it is nonsensical.“What happened to Fauci’s “do not wear masks! You are depleting the supply for the medical staff”
hospitals are currently well stocked.“it will not prevent you from getting sick it will not do anything””
Recommendations change all the time, as new data/information becomes avilable. That is a good thing not bad . While masks dont do much to prevent you from getting sick (though helps a bit) they do prevent you from infecting others which you can do even if asymptomatic.Ask all your questions. Its ok to be uncertain in these scary times. but get reasonable answers that make sense . We are here for you it will be ok.
do you have any other questions that puzzle you?
“In short, brain death with the lungs being able to breath on their own, does not exist.”
correct. by definition If someone is breathing on his own he isn’t brain dead.
“I thought the resistance to using brain death today, is a fear of hospital bias.”
That is partly true but a very low extent, and easily remedied, (eg. devise better tests, use multiple doctors to assure done correctly etc) . The bigger issue is most poskim hold if the heart is beating (which a brain death patient’s is) the person is alive (or safek alive ) even if the brain isn’t funtioning and even if patient isn’t breathing
“They never dreamed it would play out as bad as they hoped”
trying to keep up with your “logic”
So you think those beind event 201 where behind it because ” See their “predictions” which played out so well by these “prophets”” (your words)
now you are saying “They never dreamed it would play out as bad as they hoped. ”Did it play out exactly as they predicted or not?
Though I lvoe how whichever way you reply it “proves” they were behind it.
I love conspiracy “thinkers” the more facts hat would ruin a normal person’s way of thinking only strengthen your view.Fantastic
Btw
Mikowitz’s video is so full of lies (eg AMA said doctors who prescribe hcq would lose their license. Never happened aaaand AMA isn’t in charge of medical licensure)
And nonsense (eg wearing a mask makes you sick by “activating” the virus. What? How?) That it is safe to dismiss all her statments particularly , as she provided exactly zero evidence to hack them up.
And the ones that can be researched are demonstrably false (eg she claims she was held without charg. This isn’t true the charges are widely available online)“Hospitals are stubbornly not treating the patients with certain drugs such as hydroxychloroquine and zinc, and Remdesivir which have been proven to be effective”
This is a lie.
I’ve rounded at 4 hospitals in the past month all are giving hcq and zinc.How is mitkowitz video available I thought “they” don’t want us to see it. For that matter how is she still alive?
“They never dreamed that it would ACTUALLY play out as bad as this. They hoped it would be worse though.”
Waaait so they’re not behind it? I thought you said the organizers of the event were behind the outbreak?
1) “where “by” is used in the sense of “near”. I’m still not sure about this.”
I think so too.
2) got it!
thanks for persevering
Millhouse
thanks
I really want to get this 2 questions1)
so the phrase “Please stop by my office” is not correct?
you say “you stop by at her home.” So I stopped by her office” is not correct should be “I stopped by at her office” ?2) Webster’s defines “by” as “at or to another’s home” They literally define “by ” as “at”
Am I reading it wrong? Are they wrong?Health
“Everything I post, IMHO, I try to the best of my knowledge is accurate!”so to keep that perception don’t ask “Now why do I have to back up my claim?” If you make a claim back it up.
Again, you don’t have to. but it doesn’t make you sound like your posts are accurate if when asked to back it up you get angry and defensive“How many years did you post that my Court Case was never reviewed by SCOTUS?!?”
See aboveHealth
“I don’t care if they listen. My own family doesn’t listen. They only come to me, at the last minute.”
a. you do care. Yo u take every opportunity to pad yourself as “working in a health field” and putting down others “obviously you arent in healthcare” so that people should view you more as an expert.
A better way to achieve that would be to source your medical claims than to just say “trust me I’m a health care worker”
b. If you dont care then you don’t care thats fine too of course. I’m just answering your question as to why you should provide sources. Though perhaps a disclaimer would be nice. “I dont care if they listen” and ” I dont care if what I say is true”“As a doc are you going to tell the pts. the ideas from the AAPS, even though (acc. to you) they’re a relatively obscure group?”
No of course not. There are literally thousands of “medical associations” I don’t think every proclomation by all of them warrants being shared. Especially if not built on sound data.Again, just to be clear since although Imentioned this over a dozen times on variosu threads, it is a while since I have. I am not opposed to giving HCQ nor zinc nor both. I am SOLELY responding to the OP “Does anyone understand why doctors don’t want to give hydroxychloroquine even though it is working throughout the country ”
I don;t think government regulating agency should stop doctors from giving a treatment that they think will work. nor do I think doctors are bad for not giving a treatment that isnt based on any solid evidence.In fact I have prescribed HCQ yes with zinc
rightwriter
“our neighbor warned you of something that is existent already. How do you compare that to a bunch of “elitists” warning you word for word of what will happen especially a month before it happens!”
Pandemics existed already. They have happened before. And here is the real kicker, it will happen again. I guess you heard it here first. does that mean when (not if) it happens, whether in 5 years, 10, 50 ,100 I was behind it?
As to “word for word” this is literally their job. an engineer can tell you how a building will collapse. a fire inspector can tell you how fire spreads. Epidemiologists and infectious disease experts can tell you how disease will spread. I cannot fathom how you find this befuddling
n0mesora
“My point is, since brain death will never be declared on a breathing patient, (Because if they can breath on their own that proves a functioning brain.) the question became inapplicable.”
Again I’m not sure what you mean. Your first sentence is correct. but not the seocnd People are declared dead via brain dead standard daily. It is not at all inapplicable. As part of the determination, the vent which is ventilating the non-breathing patient s shut off (after pre-oxygenating the patient) and they wait a bit to see if the patient breathes. If he does he is not declared dead. If he doesn’t breathe he is dead. At thsi point the vent is reconnected to potentially allow for organ donation
“That because of brain trauma one can be declared dead even though there is a possibility of the lungs still working on their own”
The lungs don’t “work on their own” each and every breath is directly controlled by the brain (technically brain stem). In the absence of a brain the patient doesnt breathe. Again, NOT becasue there is anything wrong with his lungs (this may have been what you meant) his lungs are perfectly fine (in fact these lungs can potentially be used for someone else by transplanting them). But he is not breathing because the brain isnt “telling” him to.
As a reminder the heart may still be beating, since unlike the lungs, the heart is not controlled by the brain.So the question becomes what is the halachic status of a person with no brain function, who cannot breathe on his own, but whose heart is still beating .
Most poskim say since his heart is beating he is alive period.
R’ Moshe seems to say in his teshuvas (and his son R’ Dovid explicitly said he held this way) says this patient is not alive because he isnt breathing. R’ Ovadiah Yosef held this way as well
(other poskim held he is dead because it is considered as if he is decapitated which mishna in Ohelos says is dead but whtehr this accurately describes a brain dead patient is questionable)righwriter
I was skating on thin ice. A neighbor warned me that the ice was to thin and it would crack, I’d fall in and get wet and really cold.
Now this will blow your mind. But I fell got wet aaaaand was cold! all EXACTLY like he said would happen. This is PROOF that he pushed me in.
I can’t think of any other explanation.
Can you?“Now why do I have to back up my claim?”
you don’t its a free country and a free platform.
however you do often (very often) advertise yourself as some sort of expert, as if your pronouncements carry weight. To be taken seriously you meed to be able to backup your pronouncements. when you say “HCQ is a recommended Tx. for Covid19.” You should be able to (calmly) reply to a simple question as to who recommends it. It is strange that it took you several posts to come up with a relatively obscure group that advised a Governor not to ban the use of HCQ, and to spin that as a “recommendation”
In short you don’t HAVE to back up your claim. but if you want people to listen to you, you should.
Millhouse
Thank you. Though I still don;t fully get it.
Webster dictionary has an entry “stop by ” they give an example “Feel free to stop by anytime.”
Cambridge has a similar entry with example “He stopped by the office to drop off a copy of the contract.”Why would “He stopped by the office…” be acceptable but “He stayed by the office to do some work.” not be.
You wrote “you can certainly stop by at your cousin’s home, ”
so I cannot “Stop by his home” ?
ThanksAnd it isnt just yiddish and German’s I work among Italians and they all say it (though i suppose it is possible they got it from Jews they say schlep, kvetch etc )
Health
thanks for the source. not exactly a recommendation for its use, rather opposing its ban. but for these purposes it’ll suffice. thank you
“Free of Charge:”
unclear why you would charge, for providing a source that sort of backs up your claim.
“I’m Not your instructor. Ask s/o in your facility that is in ID.”
I did they are skeptical that for patients who are not Zinc deficient, zinc was necessary. But say Hey “wjhy not” when you said “Had to be given”
The USC health piece you cite concludes “In short, if coronavirus is like an SUV, zinc lozenges may well be something like an oil change, though we’ll need many more miles to really know for sure.”
This is a far far far cry from ““Zinc has to be given for Covid19…”
I naively assumed (hoped?) you had an actual source and weren’t making stuff up again
I was wrong
again.
It is ok to give your own suggestions, after all your expertise in health is renowned . but please don;t try to pass off your own thoughts and recommendations as established guidelines as inevitably you get caught and it makes you look foolish .
“Another Lie. That’s why I’m antagonistic to you!”
you were antagonistic before that was written“BTW, my post was based on the American Thoracic Society Guideline.”
Fantastic! thank you that was my question. thank you for answering. I’m not sure why you dint say that earlier.Although worth noting they also say “For patients with COVID‐19 who are well‐enough to be managed as outpatients, we make no suggestion either for or against hydroxychloroquine (or chloroquine). ” This thread wasn’t really about hospitalized patients , we are discussing Dr. Z who treated outpatients. Thus far as far as I’m aware there is no guideline or suggestion supporting the use of HCQ for those well enough to be managed as outpt.
“Ya’know you should stick to Nephro & Don’t worry about ID.”
I’m not sure why you are being antagonistic. Its a legitimate question
Obviously Health is Not a Medical Professional!
But then again we all knew that. A medical professional would know the whole body is intertwned, plus for dialysi patients I tend to function as their PMD.anyway. didnt answer my question Iasked “Who recommends using HCQ”
If the answer is a secret guidelines committee or you just say so Please don;t provide links that answer another question.furthermore the second source YOU cite says the opposite.
Here is a quote from the reference.
“However, there are some long-known clinical side-effects and interactions with other medications. It is still premature to conclude the role of chloroquine…”As for the second example I asked for a source to justify your statment ““Zinc has to be given for Covid19 even when they aren’t deficient.”
you provided
“, the consumption of up to 50 mg zinc per day may provide a protective role against the COVID-19 pandemic”Again the opposite of what you are saying. (sure it “may help” I never doubted that. And Its been given out like candy so I’m not opposed to it. I was surprised when you were so sure that it “Has to ” be given)
Please stick to driving ambuletes and stop dispensing medical advice
Kids did teleconference before Pesach. They are so happy with the switch to zoom and without question are doing much better and gaining much more .
The askonim are right
huju
Ive frequently heard that criticism and theory (though IVe heard many non yiddish speakers say “by” in similar sentences though it often can mean near which is of course correct.)
. But is it true?If you look up “by” in online version of Webster’s You will find a l ot of defintions of “by” the second group is “by” as an adverb
Under the 2nd definition of “By” as an adverb you find:
2a “at or to another’s home”with an example “stop by”
So if a definition of “by” is “at another’s home” what is wrong with “I am staying by my cousin..” ?
thanks
Health
“HCQ is a recommended Tx. for Covid19.”
Recommended by whom?
“Zinc has to be given for Covid19 even when they aren’t deficient.”
source please” His inheritance, whatever it was, wouldn’t on its own magically grow hundred-fold, as it has.”
No not by magic see ” Donald Trump Would Be Richer If He’d Have Invested in Index Funds BY CLAIRE GRODEN ”
“The facts are simple: What he said was perfectly sensible and logical,”
Amazing Stuff!
Even Trump says he was being “sarcastic” but his blind followers still bend realityTrump said it best ” I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.” (perhaps his one truthful statement )
“because unless your a genius you cant become a billionaire business man , especially if you dont have an education!!!”
Sure you can Here are a few ways:
1) all you have to do is inherit your money from your father. Make a series of bad deals to turn what should have been 100’s of billions into a “mere” billions.2) Keep your tax records super private breaking with tradition. go to court if you have to to keep them super secret . Hype yourself up so nobody knows what you are actually worth and act like a cartoon hobo’s version of a rich guy would
Ready
Are you opposed to using HCQ now? Half of the sources youve been citing say not to. Fro example the latest source not 15 seconds into the video “Anything that I said is not meant to recommend you take this drug”
and for what its worth. OVer the past weeks hospital where I work started checking Zinc levels on patients almost none have been Zinc deficient. Your statements “The more susceptible patients are deficient in many nutrients, ” and “loss of sense of taste and sense of smell. This indicates a zinc deficiency, as all the zinc in the body has been utilized in fighting coronavirus, ” Do not seem to be based on any evidence (and anecdotally are contradicted) do you have a source for those statements?
“but you are allowed to give a discount for early payment”
I don’t believe this is accurate. My notes aren’t in front of me but I’m pretty sure “early bird discount s” are generally ribbis albeit drabanan.
I once asked Rabbi Reisman about gift cards and iirc he said it wasn’t ribbis because it isn’t a loan. You are buying a coupon that is worth more than you paid.
“There have been talks about this being lab made from day one”
But I first heard it from you.
There have been talks of the risk of pandemic for decades, but becasue YOU never heard it, you suspect that the recent event you heard about it behind it. “while before then we never heard of such a word as pandemic. ” Because YOU never “heard of such a word” made you suspect.
Using your “logic” becasue I never heard anyone say it was from a lab before you, means you run the lab“I think your tin foil hat is blocking your already thick skull from information”
The opposite. To understand your “thought” process better a tin foil hat is criticalDY
lol.
huju
“Maybe it has faded in the last few decades. As I said, there are numerous exceptions”
That’s exactly it. a lot of “rules” aren’t really rules, some that were go into disuse. Words change enough people use “anyways” that arguably it is a word.
DY referenced the “rule” not to start a sentence with the word “but. But of course there is no such rule.
you mention the “rule” “possessive case for things was well-established when I was a high schooler. ” of course there is no such rule as you acknowledge
Today’s rule “Remember to never split infinitives” again not a “rule” as you acknowledged (and earlier you violated as pointed out by Dovidbt)Though
Make no mistake. I agree with DY. I realize my comment sounded like was hooting you down. I definitely find language interesting so keep up with these “rules” discussing them is fun.Though sadly I’ve long given up on improving my writing.
rightwriter
I’m safer in my bubble it prevents to government from using microwaves to steal my thoughts. and yes the world is quite dark for example would you believe a poster on this thread is responsible for releasing covid. and I can prove it: He said it was from a lab before anyone else did. According to my source someone saying something before it happens is proof that they did it.
“and you will see that zinc is indispensable for treating coronavirus.”
Oh wel if Dr. Z says so….
Anyway, as I said “ok so take zinc”
I don’t have time or patience for 22 minutes of him Iv’e heard him before. Anything new in this one? can you summarize?
“Yes, I used “ain’t” as a provocation.”
Maybe people use “anyways” as a provocation ?
rightwriter
We’ve already conclusively proven that you released Covid. you distracting from what we already know only further confirms your guilt
“therefore I take the last few igrus moshe with a grain of salt”
Absolutely no question.
I’d say more than a grain. Though I wouldn’t say “complelty irrelevent”
in this case though we also have earlier teshuvos eg YD 3:176 written in 5736 (1976) published in chelek 6 which I dont think ANYONE has questioned the veracity of. wcich seems to support brain death
Plus R’ Dovid Y”blch supports this understanding of his father’s positionJoseph
“A large percentage of readers will simply not do so and thus disregard the comment and whatever point was trying to be made.”
Oh I agree completely
And I agree completly if you want to persuade people or reach a wider audience the n certainly sloppy grammar and poor syntax is a hinderance.
But in most cases so what Yes my posts are riddled with typos, bad autocorrect and plain errors. Is the world really lacking much if “A large percentage of readers” disregard my comments.
nu nu its their loss. I don;t get the big deal.
Are you saddened that my words of wisdom aren’t reaching as wide an audience as they would with better prrofreading ? 🙂
syag
Well said, though wrong apostrophe use does get me a little antsy (other than for contractions) the other one that gets me especially in advertisements is strange quotation marks.huju
“ain’t, not aint.”I assume this too was a joke?
rational
“I respectfully disagree with ubiquitin. Poor use of any language fails to accurately convey the message”Most of the time it doesn’t, and when it does, I’d be more than happy to rephrase
“their-they’re and others force cause English speakers to pause and spend time “figuring it out”.”
how much time does it take to decipher which is meant , is it really that confusing?
Incidentally what does “…force cause…” mean ? don’t worry it took me less than an instant to realize what you mean
Ubiquitin’s law of the internet strikes yet again.I’m not arguing for ignoring all grammar. and certainly in a halachic pesak or any persuasive writing where clarity is important. But in the coffee room, meh Most of the time the point is clear enough in spite of typos or “non-standard” English. If it isnt clear,ask for clarification if you still can’t make sense of it, its usually no big loss.
Common saychel
It isn’t totally irrelevant, as his grandson was the compiler of the Igeros Moshe so his explanation of an ambiguos teshuva certainyl carries soem weight, and his son in law was the one with whom he discussed medical halacha.
Also I said “His sons (R Dovid can be seen on YouTube supporting this) and son in law…” I can’t help but notice that you left off “Sons” Was that deliberate? why?
Are you saying That R’ Dovid testifying what his father held is “completely irrelevant”?As an aside, I have no problem with you saying R’ Dovid testifying what his father held has no bearing either(though it does sounds strange to me) and all that matters is written teshuva beseder so read the teshuva. Skip that line of mine . I think it matters, but if you don’t, I can live with that. BUT you can’t say talmid x said R” Moshe held qrs. Thats inconsistent
“do you quote R Aurbachs son in law opinion as his? ”
No not as his, but if his son said That R’ shlomo Zalamn held xyz, then of course I ‘d say his son held so. Particularly if R’ Shlomo Zalman Wrote several teshuvos that strongly sounded like xyzhow about Rav JB Soliviackis son in law. ”
Of course! all the time“Do you quote Bar Ilan opinion as the Nitzivs opinion because he was his son?”
Again if he said his father said xyz then I think so. why not?Dovitbt
Lol Ubiquitin’s law of the internet strikes again.
Incidently I don’t get people’s hangup with “proper grammer” especially in an informal setting like the coffee room.
for example “There is no English word “anyways,” ”
Says who? Plenty of people use it, and nobody has any trouble understanding it So why isn’t it a word. All online dictionaries have it as a word (albeit they lable it “informal” or “slang” ) so relax the coffee room isn’t so formal.“If so, how will they protect their vulnerable family members”
I don’t follow the premise of this question. Anti-vaxers never care about their vulnerable family members, why would they suddenly start caring?
” I understood that the heart could be functioning mechanically – not reflexively.”
I have a longer post pending. but if by “mechanically” you mean artificially ie with some mechanical device or machine, but it can’t function on its own. Then no that isn’t correct. In the absence of any brain function, the heart will keep beating and its normal steady rate as before
N0mesorah
The second half of your post sounds right, the first half is confusing.“I understood that the heart could be functioning mechanically – not reflexively”
I am not sure what you mean by either of those terms. The heart can beat independently of the brain. In fact they have done studies where a heart placed in proper solution of glucose, potassium, with oxygen being pumped etc can keep on beating in the absence of any brain activitiy. This is becasue the signal for he heart to beat does not come from the brain, but rather from specialized cells in the heart itself, that “tell” the heart to beat. This is known as the pacemaker cells or the SA node. Of course the brain (and spinal cord) do send signals to the heart to speed up or slow down as needed but in the absence of these signals ie even with complete severance of the brain and spinal cord from the body the heart will keep beating.
The lungs on the other hand are different. EACH breath is DIRECTLY controlled by the brain steam giving a steady signal: Breathe, Breathe, Breathe, etc. In the absence of the brain steam (or if the nerve that conducts this signal is damaged) the patient will stop breathing.
Again: His heart will still keep beating (assuming you provide a steady supply of oxygen obviously) becasue the heart’s signal to Beat, Beat, Beat…. does NOT come from the brain, it comes from the heart itself“Assuming I didn’t, my point was that zero function of brain stem reflexes by itself could never be an actual way to determine death,”
Again, I’m not sure what you mean by “never be an actual way to determine death,” do you mean halachaicly? Most poskim do say that (for varied reasons), however some disagree. If you mean legally ALL states disagree with you.“because if the major (heart or lungs) organs are working, that is proof of some brain activity.”
Again, no the heart can (and has) functioned completely perfectly in the absence of a brain.“The possibility of having life without the major organs is zero, even with a functioning brain stem.”
I’m nost sure what you mean with this sentence. Patients are put on Heart bypasss machines daily for surgery etc. I believe all would consider them alive even though for a period their “major organs:” werent functioning (after R” Yechezkal Roth underwent cardiac surgery there was a rumpr that he was mekadesh his wife again but even if true, this is far from the standard view)“Since the patient is not breathing, the only question is how to view the mechanical heart.”
Correcct.“That is not a question of brain function, as the brain can function (albeit in a meaningless manner) without the heart or lungs.”
I’m not sure what you mean by “meaningless manner” I would think its very meaningfull that a person with an artificial heart and who is ventilated still has his own brain function. In fact according to those who reject brain death, I’m not clear on what basis he is alive There is also the problem of the sheep experiment.
Though IIf I understand your point correctly, I believe R’ Dovid Feinstein made this point when explaining his father’s postition According to R’ Moshe: The brain, in of itself, has no bearing on whether a person is alive or not. If he is breathing independently he is alive, if not not. (note: If a vent is helping him breathe he’d still be alive, if the vent is completely breathing for him then he isn’t) A brain dead patient BY DEFINITION is not breathing on his own your last statment is correct ” If there is medical brain death without apnea, than I am completely wrong.” There is no brain death without apnea, by defintiion. thus according to his teshuvos and family, R’ Moshe held a brain dead person is dead (becasue he isnt breathing not becasue of lack of brain activity per se)Ready now
now you are just making up things. So all those infected with coronovirus should take Zinc? interesting even dr. Z hasn’t claimed that
but ok so take zinc As I said, all the people IVe seen not helped by HCQ took zinc
Nomesora
Your understanding is not at all accurate.
Brain death is accepted as death in all 50 states (though a few allow for a religious exception) and is routinely used in declaring death.Brain death refers to the lack of function of the brain stem. The brain stem controls certain biological functions including breathing . The heart functions independently of the brain, It has its own pacemaker. Thus a brain dead patient, by definition cannot breathe on his own. However he will have a normal heart beat.
Most poskim reject brain death as a definition of death, they hold as long as there is a heartbeat the patient is alive. A few accept brain death either because they view the brain as decapitated, or because if a person can’t breathe then they are dead (even if the heart is still beating).There is some question as to what R’Moshe held. He wrote a few teshuvoas on the subject which sound like he supported brain death. There is one yeshiva that is more explicit, but some have scheduled the authenticity of this teshuva
His sons (R Dovid can be seen on YouTube supporting this) and son in law and grandchildren all say he held brain death is halachic death, but others disagree.n0mesora
your understanding of the issue is incorrect.
Not one of your follow up sentences is correct.ready now
“People are giving HOQ without zinc and that defeats the purpose, it is the zinc that completes the cure in combination with the HOQ”You keep saying that but:
a. Everyone I know is givign it with zinc
b. Most people are not zinc defficnet so even without giving zinc, you already have plenty of zinc on boardAJ
that has way to many stepsMaybe someone can event some sort of electronic system where you can directly send money?
Like from a bank say chase to allow you to quickly pay someone? Or some system where you can pay your pal?
Hopefully some such system will be invented soon