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“I think that the range amongst people I know is more like once every week to at least once a day.”
what can possibly come up once a day? Even once a week I cant imagine?
when Joseph asked me for examples I was struggling to think of more than a handful that arise a year.
(Again we are talking about the average frum person not newcomers. )DM
“CASE CLOSED.”Correct.
Though your posts are lengthy and repetitive, allow me to highlight the key point,to avoid your rambling distractions :You say “Again- I know that there is a heter for a wig…”
Correct. and as you say CASE CLOSED“First of all, if he didn’t acknowledge the other psak as legitimate, he wouldn’t send you there.”
True, then again My Rav recognizes Rabbi Forst as legitimate, and presumably Rabbi Forst recognizes his hotline as legitimate. so I still dont see the difference.
“Second, if the rav would agree with you that you can skip the second rav, why is he telling you to go to him?”
I’m not sure what you mean, Im not skipping the second Rav. my scenario is where my Rav is machmir on Chalv yisroel/Family planning/opening bottles on Shabbos etc. My Rav agrees that there are legitimate poskim that are meikil on these things.
I dont understand the difference between Asking my Rav who I KNOW will tell me go ask so-and-so. and just going ahead and asking so-and-so on my own. I do admit that who the “so-and-so” is matters and that not all 3 of those examples are on equal footing. but at least for SOME of them (eg chalav yisroel) Rabbi Forst, and anyone he deems worthy is a legitamte “so-and-so”“Every bais horaah/hotline is under a big posek, but he’s not answering every shailah – that’s why there’s a bais horaah….And the poskim answering for the batei horaah aren’t as big, otherwise people would be calling them directly.”
forgive me, perhaps I am naive. but Doesn’t the One overseeing the bais horaah, vet those who answer the shalos. And doesn’t that vetting include them knowing what questions are above their “paygrade”
“I’m not saying they don’t serve an important function, but they shouldn’t be for certain types of shailos.”
Agreed. but chalav Yisroel, I think they can handleJoseph
“how can a father not have chinuch questions or know all the answers as to what’s best in such an important and complicated area?”I dont know they havent arisen yet I supppose. I never said I wouldnt discuss those with my Rav.
Also in your view “for the “average frum family” how often does/should a shaila arise?”
“I think you are mixing up two things…”
I’m not mixing them up, Ithink they are analagous. I dont see the difference between a Rav sending for a different pesak when he holds the “actual din” is lechumra and skipping the Rav, when you already jknow what he will say.
I can here the difference and not trying to convince you that you are wrong. If yo udont think that is a valid reason, great! dont call for that reason. There are stil lother reasons why a hotline is useful..“And yes, of course calling a random hotline for a life altering psak is ludicrous.”
They arent complelty “random” as you probably know the Far Rockaway one is under the Rav binyomin Forst’s leadership“in that case, why would you even ask a shailah?”
In what case?I didnt realize this was controversial. You agree there are situations where “x is mutar meikar hadin, but it is better to be machmir.” I assume you agree too (Though you didnt outright say it) that there are situations where we are generally machmir but there are acceptable mekilim.
now even in those cases if there are no acceptable mekilim then (by definition) a frum person wont be meikil. But there are times where situation may be difficult, and a Rav may not feel comfortable “giving a heter” (this isnt neccesarily my #2 above, the Rav may “know the halacha” but doesnt feel comfortable answering such life altering shailas perhaps this is reason #8, though perhaps for such a life altering shaila a phone hotline isnt the best alternative) or he is machmir in those cases so he’ll send to someone else. This happens often with family planning shailos, certainly almost every question involving infertility . For example The Satmer Rov was quite machmir. As you may know, there are several organizations that aid many people including Satmer chsidim who are often sent by their own community to other Dayanim. Again if there is no room to be meikil, then a frum person wont be., but he will ask a sheilah.Back to our friend Reuvein. IF the case involved Neveila, then he wont eat it. He generally doesnt eat Chaalv stam but this is a pressing situation so he wants to know if an exception is appropriate. He also wants to know if he should say hataras nedarim. Of course he would ask a shaila
No
I just dont have questions in those areas, and If I did I’d likely be able to solve them on my own.I dont think “What beracha do you make on an apple” is outside the purview of my Rav either but that doesnt mean I ask him that. (note I didn’t say it was hard to imagine asking any of those questions, merely some namely “Whether to take a vacation? …. Where/whether to move.”)
“So I guess I have my first customer.”
I am definitely not the first. Ive heard this from many rabbeim over the years. Including my own Rav
Joseph
Im not sure if that was adressed to me but with the exception of Tzedaka IVe never asked my Rav any of thsoe and its hard for me to imagine a situation where I’d ask about some of the others. (though he may have some good vacation ideas, I should ask him next time)“Do you accept a Rov’s decision or advice as the final word?”
No, he would think its weird if I did ( I assuem this is regarding the aforementioned questions)“and he’s a member of that kehila,”
who says he is?
He has one shul he davens shacharis another for MAariv Mincha is at a minyan next door to his office . Friday night is another shul. And Shabbos day is a 5th exccept Shabbos mevarchim when he goes to the shul he davens in yet another shul in because they have a chazan .which Kehilla does he belong to?
More importantly , why do you get to decide? He has his Rav (where he davens Maariv during the week, he loves that he gets to ask his 24 shaalas a year after Maariv) Meheche tesi that he HAS to follow every pesak from this Rav?BTW
Even if you disagree, and feel that is not appropriate.
IT is certainly an answer to Joseph’s question “Why would someone call a hotline instead of their own Rov?” Perhaps it is a wrong reason, but it is a reason nonetheless.
So at any rate, Ive still listed provided 4 reasons that we agree are valid. 2 that are debatable. And one that we agree isnt a valid reason.“Of course, but not on demand.”
I have. As mentioned Ive had more than one Rav tell me to ask a specific question to so and so.
For example imagine the following question:
“Reuven was raised in a home where they kept kosher, but weren’t makpid on chalav yisrael. He went to the right in life, choosing a lifestyle that is quite different from his parents. They don’t approve.
Now he is visiting his parents. His parents keep offering to out on movies for the kids, and they keep declining politely. It’s not easy. Now his mother serves the kids breakfast.
The milk is OU D, chalav hacompanies. Should Reuven increase the machlokes in order to be a baal nefesh, or should he rely on the heter? And if his mother went out of her way about bought heimishe milk and cereal, should he push further and insist on plastic keilim?”He knows his Rav holds Chalav Stam is categorically assur. I think it is wholly appropriate to ask someone else (before asking his Rav) in such a situation.
“What would you say are a handful of the typical shailos that are being asked between every two weeks to three months?”
Its averaged. And Im closer to the 4 end of things I cant imagine 24 questions arising a year, but I know people who ask more often. Pesach might raise a few. over the year a kashrus question or 2.
Im also excluding stam “hocking” eg after davening about Indian sheitels, chickens, kosher switches, shabbos fridges etc whcih arguably arent “shailas”And of course this time of year theres my yearly panel that my 4 questions right here:
Can I give out Haloween candy mipnei darkei shalom?
Can I give holiday presents to co-workers?
Can I give chanukah presents to my kids ? (lehavdil, or maybe not in your view)
and of course the only logical question that follows:
Can I decorate my home with lights have a tree in the middle and place the presents in stockings and leave out sufganiya for Hannukah Harry? (Dont ask me how this follows the other 3, some guy on YWN thinks it is the logical outcome of thep previous one)
– I have to ask these every year because although the psak has been long established, there are still people who drei ah kup every yearAnyway what would you say “for the “average frum family” how often does/should a shaila arise?”
“How often does an average frum family consult with their Rov for a shaila or other advice?”
Would be a very interesting study.
OF course there is wide variability.
Im curious though, if you don’t mind, what do you think the answer should be?
Ie for the “average frum family” how often does/should a shaila arise?(If you want my answer for the “average frum family” (ie excluding newcomers and excluding those who may be exceptionally learned) Id say range between twice a month and 4 times a year (other than taharas hamishpacha) Admittedly I have no idea how I came up with this number)
DY
Whats so strange about that?
You’ve never heard a Rav pasken that x is mutar meikar hadin, but it is better to be machmir. Or it is better to avoid doing y but if needed can be someich on mekilim etc..For the “actual din” you dont need a Rav at all. Pretty much all seforim are scanned online. All we need is to design a computer program with general klalei hapesak as to whom to follow when theres machlokes Shach and Taz, Favor Remah for Ashkenazim etc And presto you dont need a Rav at all You will get the “actual din” It might not be able to guide in the actual situation which ,might warrant a kula or chumra but it can certainly tell you the “actual din”
“How is 6 different than 7?”
6 is before asking. Eg he knows his Rav is generally machmir on say hilchos shabbos so he asks these questions to another Rav/hotline (His Rav may even have told him to do this, I know of a Rav who is machmir with “family planning” sheilahs, when someone approaches starting to ask a question he says “go ask so and so” not becasue he doesnt know (reason #2) but because he is generally machmir (reason #6)
This isnt the same as asking and getting a pesak and then asking for another. (reason #7)
“Also, if I didn’t think my rav got it right I would either do enough research to be knowledgeable enough to discuss it with him, or go to a posek I knew to be at least as big, but not to a random posek on the phone.”
oh me too. I was giving possible reasons why someone might use a hotline.“your 5 and 6 sound like rabbi/psak-shopping.”
no thats reason #7 He got a pesak he doesnt like so he is looking for another one. Which I delibratly left off, since I was only listing valid reasons
At any rate I’m glad I was able to provide 4 answers that you are ok with“What kind of shailos do they pasken via telephone?”
I would think any, other than dinei mamamnos which would require hearing both sides. (though IVe never called)
“Why would someone call a hotline instead of their own Rov?”
1) his Rav isnt available and it cant wait
2) His Rav doesnt know and directed him to the hotline
3) It is a question that he feels uncomfortable to ask his rav
4) He doesnt have a Rav (the answer to your other thread is yes there are many such people)
5) It didnt sound like the Rav got it right
6) He knows his Rav is machmir on this issue and he wants a kulais hoping for a kulaIm sure there are dozens of others i’ll add if I think of others
Iaccisrmma
Nobody is saying MAshiv haruach is a tefiallh for rain. Nonetheless Slonimer’s question stands even regarding MAshiv haruach, since Tefillah or not it is clearly tied to the “rainy season” Yet in the Southern Hemisphere it is recited during their summer.
If he has asked why In the Southern hemisphere do they say in pesukei dezimra “Hanosein sheleg katzamer” during their summer. Then your reply thatthis isnt a tefillah for rain/snow would be relevant. As of course it isnt, and we say it year round regardless of season.
This isnt the case for MAshiv haruach, which while not a tefillah for rain is only said during the rainy seasonAgain
My point about NYC not having a rainy season wasnt an additional question
It was an answer to SLonimer namely like limnos said, like yo ubrought from R’ Heber and like the nosei keilim all say.
We dont detemrine when to be mazkir gevuros geshamim nor to be shoel al hageshamim based on each individial locale
Are yo u showing something different (aside from the Rosh who we dont pasken like)?iacrisma
“You are still missing my main point. We are not asking for rain by saying Mashiv Haruach; ”No I got that and I replied:
“1) slonimer also asked regarding “Vesein Tal Umatar ” – in which we do ask for rain and in the Southern Hemisphere they start asking for rain shortly before Summer begins. ie Dec 4/5
2) As you might know Mashiv haruach while not a tefila for rain is only recited during the rainy season (in E”Y) hence Slonimer’s question ” – in which case slonimer’s question remians , as does my point about there not being a rainy seasonDovidBT
not from rain in nyc. Let those who live Ulster county daven for rain.
(Im being partly facetious of course we need rain my point is it isnt literally tied to when we need it ie the idea of a rainy/dry season isnt relevent to us just as it is “backwards” in the southern hemisphere )iacisrmma
Yes that is what I was saying. I was poitning out further that not only in the Southern hemisphere are they saying it basedo n EY’s needs. But in New York as well. Where I dont want rain today nor is there a dry season. We follow E”Y as Limnos points out ” our Homeland.” granted it is a bigger chidush in the southern hemisphere but it is true in nyc as well.GH
I dont get your point A. It doesnt matter what some Jew somewhere needs. We dont daven for rain after PEsach although there is ” somewhere that yidden need” it then. and if you do youd daven over.slonimer
שמא יחזור דבר לקלקולו
Seriously though that isnt how mesora is practiced. We dont dig up what was done 150 years ago and mimic that. We do what our religous parents did. they wore sheitels, their poskim held they were allowed we do the same. why did htis change who knows maybe because 150 years ago there was soem gezeira. And I do find it fascinating to study how customs/practice s change, but on practical halacha this doesnt come into play.As an aside this is why I eat Turkey, my parents were frum and they ate turkey they copied their parents. True at soem point one of my ancestors started eating turkey without a clear mesora, and that is an interesting historical tidbit. MAybe he has to give a din vechesbon on what right he had to eat it. But that doesn’t change today’s practice. (The Netziv says this regarding Turkey)
DM
“All this back and forth comes from a lack of understanding of the purpose of the mitzvah of kisui rosh”
Ok So R’ Moshe didnt understand the purpose of the Mitzva. Nonetheless, as I told you when you used this same argument that a proffessor didnt see the logic, then Baalei Teshuva to whom this doesnt make sense and now it is anybody who points out that you are mistaken (interesting progression btw)
When in fact it is you who are mistaken. That isnt how halacha is decided.
for example when the torah says “לא תקפו פאת ראשכם ולא תשחית את פאת זקנך ” chazal teach us that if not done with a תער/razor it is nt assur. thsi might not be logical to your profesor friend, it might confuse baalei teshuva, and you can argue shaving with sam or scissiors undermines the reason for the issur. You’d of course be wrong.
Again we are not discussing extra-halachic reasons to avoid sheitel (or shaving) whether based on kabbala or extra hiddur. Halachicly sheitels are muttar as has been demonstrated to you repeatedly no matter how illogical you findthe distinctioniacisrmma
while of course true:
1) slonimer also asked regarding “Vesein Tal Umatar ”
2) As you might know Mashiv haruach while not a tefila for rain is only recited during the rainy season (in E”Y) hence Slonimer’s questionZD
Nobody is suggesting that he assume the local shliach will support him forever.
chabad shluchim usually have connections (they always do if they are official shluchim sent by the Shluchim office his is how they survive, wonder no more!) and as you point out many might not have connections but many do. The fact that they may not get a minyan has nothing to do with the subject at hand. they are there to help yidden. This is not the common way they help, but most would be happy to try to connect someone in such an awful situation with someone who might be able top help.
It cant hurt to callZD
“And many of these chabad houses dont have any more local connections than most locals.”Ah, so many do have connections! So it cant hurt to call. fantastic
“Woah, ubiq… you live in San Francisco?!”
nope. NYC
According to the department of the interior the following are average precipitation in NYC in in between 1960-1991
Jan 3.42
Feb 3.27
Mar 4.08
April 4.2
May 4.42
June 3.67
July 4.35
Aug 4.01
Sep 3.89
Oct3.56
nov 4.47
Dec 3.91Your question isnt limited to the southern Hemisphere.
I live in a city. I nor anybody around me wants rain at any time. Sure the farmer who grows my food needs rain but he lives nowhere near me and isnt affected by whether it rains where I live. Furthermore I live in a climate that doesnt have a rainy season and dry season it rains throughout the year sometimes appearing as snow.
Yet we all make this seasonal distitinction, as do they even though it arguably makes less sense for them.What is a shaalah is if rain in their locale was actually harmful. IE they have a dry season during our summer when rain would harm crops and they dont want it.
Isacbalbin
” There is NO posek who permits Chalav Stam”
you are a bit mixed up
Incorrect. R’ Moshe does. He calls it Chalav hacomponies it is what the rest of us call chalav stam, and he says it is muttar (ie halachicly chalav yisroel)Yerushalmi
So even most poskim who require CY still hold that the punctured stomachs arent an issue?
Joseph
“so too many rabbonim today are striving to further raise our level of kedusha to the point where women wear a tichel instead of a sheitel.”Exactly! IE not like DM is falsely saying. Most (not all) of the poskim cited who encourage Tichels today are not because they hold Sheitels are assur. Rather they want to ” raise our level of kedusha” when “raising LEvels of KEdusha” is conflated with mutar/assur you run the risk of losing everything.
Mosih613
“Every woman and man is responsible for himself ”
so stop bothering us please.I don’t really understand this thread.
As some mentioned it obviously depends on why Reuvein avoids cs.
If he considers it assur then obviously Shimon shouldn’t serve him issur (and of course keilim are a problem)If he views it as an easy way to show how frum he is. This is the best opportunity to show off! Of course he should insist Shimon spend extra to accommodate him.
If he views it as muttar but only beshas hadchak or as a way to be closer to the Ribono shel oilam he is machmir. Why would he impose this on someone else? And at the Same time why wouldn’t Shimon make an extra effort to accommodate his friends genuinely held chumra. They should be fighting with Shimon insisting on only serving cy and Reuvein insisting it isn’t necessary.
Maybe that is what the op meant
“How is breaking up a long post into three separate posts helpful?”
while I’m not the one “modding” IT is easier to read shorter chunks of drivel (my own included) than a long screed. I imagine this is particularly they for the mods, since they arent judging based on the content, ie how much sense it makes how logical it is etc.
They just need to screen it to make sure language is appropriate no lashon harah, bizui talmid chachamim etc.
This is certainly easier to do with 3 shorter posts than one long one.DM
“It’s interesting to note how many of my friends who are Baal teshuvas have told me that the concept of today’s wigs never made any sense to them. Why bother covering your own hair with someone else’s nice hair?”Im not sure why that it is interesting. You mentioned the same silly comment about professors. Nu so Baalei teshuva need to be taught about yidishkeit. Whats so interestign baout that.
Halcha isnt determined by what baalei teshuva find interesting nor by what professors find confusing.
“You can continue posting all the sources for the pea nachris- no one could argue with the fact that todays wigs look nothing like the wigs from 400 years ago or even 30 years ago”
nobody is arguing with that fact. Just like nobody argues that today’s pens are different than yesterday’s quills. that doesn’t make them assur
“According to the News in TEXAS, No more gun control would have stopped this Lunatic!”
Yep as the Onion writes after every Mass shooting :
“‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens”“Finally, I would love to hear what a non-American possek will have to say about this as I tend to view the opinions from E”Y as not being tainted by the shmutz of golus. What would R’ Chaim say?”
Assuming he is familiar with the Remah. He would say it is muttar.
Though admittedly the Remah was “tainted by the shmutz of golus” so I guess, who cares what he held?” whether or not a Jew is permitted to give candy seems almost irrelevant to me.”
Then you are on the wrong thread. since that is the entire discussion at hand.
and Halacha should never be “irrelevant” Not ever.“As one professor wrote in a new book that is all about the hair industry:
“The logic of the sheitel is elusive to most people outside the Irthodox milieu and poses complex questions even to people within it. What is the logic of covering hair with hair?”I never realized that halacha is determined buy what professors find elusive. If I find Parah Aduma elusive do we just ignore it?
does the professor find the logic that A warm Kli Rishon is hot enough to cook, but a hot kli sheini is not elusive? If he does I guess we can get rid of “kli sheini eino mevashel”
Does he find the logic that a 32 oz steak is not a kvius ie it is a “snack” regaring kiddush bemokom seuda and sukah, but a few cookies is a “meal” elusive. I really want to start eating cookies out of the sukah, please let me know what the professor paskens.Mammale that is only partially correct
From USPS website
“All postal employees, including carriers, must comply with the Standards of Ethical Conduct for Employees of the Executive Branch. Under these federal regulations, carriers are permitted to accept a gift worth $20 or less from a customer per occasion, such as Christmas. However, cash and cash equivalents, such as checks or gift cards that can be exchanged for cash, must never be accepted in any amount. Furthermore, no employee may accept more than $50 worth of gifts from any one customer in any one calendar year period.”“there’s no halachic or hashkafic difference between giving Halloween candy to your neighbors on Oct. 31 mipnei darkei shalom than giving Christmas presents to your neighbors on Dec. 25 mipnei darkei shalom.”
I still disagree as I provided 2 differences. One based on origin. and the other based on the Remah “אִם אֶפְשָׁר לוֹ יִשְׁלַח לוֹ מִבָּעֶרֶב” which is easily doable with Christmas but not Halloween.
However if in your opinion this is not a distinction, and in fact the mailman insists on getting his gift on Christmas much like they insist on getting their candy on Halloween. In that imaginary scenario, you are right, there is no difference (aside from the other one I mentioned) and both are muttar.
“Does room temperature food feel cold when you eat it because it’s cooler than the inside of your mouth, which is usually somewhere around 98.5 degrees?”
No it feels cold because it cooler than you usually eat it. For example soup (eaten at ~140 degrees) feels cold at 100 degrees though that is well above room temperature. and melted ice cream that has been sitting and is at room temperature out does not feel cold
“In short, there’s no halachic or hashkafic difference between giving Halloween candy to your neighbors for a Happy Halloween or giving Christmas presents to your neighbors for a Merry Christmas.”
Im not sure if you deliberately addedd the phrase “…for a Happy Halloween” but that is not our discussion. that is NOT the reason some here give candy nor is it R’ Yaakov’s reason. The candy is given mishum eiva or mipnei darkei shalom.
Aside from the big difference mentioned earlier here is another perhaps bigger one: Christmas presents dont have to given on Dec 25. The mailman doesnt get upset if a check is given on Dec 24, 23 etc. He doesnt even come by on Dec 25. So if it can be avoided it is better to avoid giving present on the actual day (see the Remah). However if kids come by for halloween candy on October 31 it isnt practical to say come by tomorrow.
““so there is no difference” … “I happen to think there is a difference””
Im sorry if that wasnt clear.
I do think that there is a difference.
and even if there isnt a difference (As you claim you believe) then it is stil ok.“I asked you to please explain what the halachic/hashkafic differences are between giving Christmas presents and giving Halloween candy bo b’yom.”
sure. Christmas celebrates the day they believe their “savior” was born. A person in whose name milions upon milions of our ancestors were killed/tortured over millenia both directly oand indirectly. I think t is inappropriate to in any way commemorate that day, even if technicality muttar beleis breira.
I agree celebrating Halloween is assur
discussion as has been pointed out to you . In spite of the headlinedo you really not see the difference between the two?
Im confused
Nu nu so there is no difference. both are mutar as per the Remah.
I happen to think there is a difference, as I am certain you do . Both in the day Halloween vs christmas (your incorrect silliness regarding all saints day which is the day after Haloween aside) AND between giving presents and candy.
joseph
“please be moichel if my shprach came across as too shtark. ”
The issue isnt your shprach. It is your am haaratzos. Youre not sure if ti is allowed? no problem say that. you know that there are legitimate mekilim but think it is better to be machmir? no problem say that.
Please dont misrepresent halacha, I know “Joseph is Joseph” (though sometinmes I too forget) but not all poters know and it creates a real zilzul. (Perhaps the Joseph is joseph” thread can be put up as a sticky or linked by clicking yoru name to remind everybody that your coments are, well, Joseph.)
“Are you okay with putting the Christmas gifts in red stockings too? After all, that isn’t the “ikkur” of celebrating Christmas either.”
No wh ywould I do that?
” Are you okay with giving your own kids Christmas presents? ”
No why would I do that. Though youve of course accused me of giving christams presents on Chanukah, though that is of course nonsensical)“Or attending a corporate Christmas party? ”
Of corse I do, like many Frum yidden. Thoug they call it a “Holiday party”“Putting up a Christmas tree?”
No why would I do that.“All that, too, have little to do with “celebrating Christmas”, as you put it.”
Um, no that is the exact full celebration of Christmas as performed by most Americans today. you described their ENTIRE celebration. Im not sure what you are talking about. “Are you?
“I’m sure in the following posts we are sure to be about to see all kinds of speculation ”
Lol joseph you are the master of speculation. you whole religion is a giant speculation of everything is assur as long as I dont want to do it.See for example here ” it could well be they weren’t aware of the origins or history of All Hollows Day ….Have you considered the fact that Reb Moshe didn’t hand out candies on Halloween? And that Rav Aharon didn’t either? Nor did the Satmar Rebbe, Rav Gifter, Rav Hutner, Rav Ruderman, Rav Schorr, Rav Birnbaum or Rav Svei. And today candies aren’t distributed on Halloween from the homes of the Novominsker Rebbe, Rav Dovid Feinstein, Rav Shmuel or Rav Aharon Schechter.”
Pure speculation and regarding R’ Dovid, at least you speculated incorrectly.
Joseph
you asked
“Do you give gifts on December 25 to people celebrating Christmas that aren’t religious or even Christian?”As Akuperma said
“I give the atheist bus driver his monetary gift, and the buddhist mailman his bottle of scotch. In their mind, and in my mind, it has nothing to do with the guy supposedly born in a manger with a mezuman of wise men.”The gifts on December 25th have little to do with “celebrating Christmas”
Remah Y”D 148:12
Brings the above mentioend terumas hadeshen as halacha lemaiseh. though I misspoke because he even alows on their holiday if there is no other optionוְכֵן אִם שׁוֹלֵחַ דּוֹרוֹן לְעוֹבֵד כּוֹכָבִים בַּזְּמַן הַזֶּה, בְּיוֹם [ח’ שֶׁאַחַר נִיטֶל שֶׁקוֹרְאִים ניי’ יֹאר] אֶחָד שֶׁיֵּשׁ לָהֶם סִימָן אִם יַגִּיעַ לָהֶם דּוֹרוֹן בֶּחָג הַהוּא, אִם אֶפְשָׁר לוֹ יִשְׁלַח לוֹ מִבָּעֶרֶב; וְאִם לֹא, יִשְׁלַח לוֹ בֶּחָג עַצְמוֹ
Surely the Remah can be relied upon. Yes you are a big tzaddik and cant be bothered with the Remah. But please dont criticize weaker yidden when their actions have support
No. Unless you accept anecdotal stories that were never written or spoken,”
They were both written and spoken.
Rabbi reisman has told the Rav Pam story. I believe the r yaakov anecdote is in his biography cowritten by his son.
As far as holiday gifts there are teshuvos on the subject with many matirrim. As you well know starting with the terumas gadeshen through the modern day.“And even if you do accept all that, as I explained above, there are so many more gedolei yisroel with the opposite opinion (based on the logic used to ascertain these apparent opinions.)”
Unless they turned away children it proves nothing.
“You do whatever you want if you’ve “never heard of any one assuring”, without asking a shaila?”
What. No? I’ve asked many times including to R Dovid who you were motzi Laz about.
“Do you also put up a Christmas tree before or after Dec. 25, so long as it isn’t up on Dec. 25 bo b’yom?”
What? No why would I what are you talking about?
” Can you mark Palm Sunday so long as you don’t do so on the actual Sunday?”
I’m not sure what that means. Yes I shook a palm frond a few weeks ago though if it isn’t palm Sunday it isn’t marking palm Sunday. Your question doesn’t make sense“Why are you afraid of asking a shaila??”
I’ve asked as mentioned. R’ Dovid was incredulous that anybody would think giving candy on Halloween was assure.
You are free to disagree you are not free to say it has no support
“Yes. And it was paskened to not give candies on Halloween and to not give Christmas presents anytime during the “season”.”
Mazel tov
And Are you not aware of legitimate shitos that allow it?And for the record giving candy to kids asking for candy isn’t “celebrating halloween” it is being a normal neighbor.
“candies aren’t distributed on Halloween from the homes of the Novominsker Rebbe, Rav Dovid Feinstein, Rav Shmuel or Rav Aharon Schechter.”
I am moiche against the hotzaos Laz against gedolim. Of course they would give if kids came. As R’ Dovid shlita told me “who wouldn’t?” You don’t have to store the candy in a pumpkin or anything. Just be normal.
It’s embarrassing that the toms river story describing people being normal is a big “kiddush hashem” whats next saying thank yiu is a big kiddush hashem.
(Yes Joseph we know saying thank you is chukas hagoy, chanifa and lo sichanem.)