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Maybe we should say Al Naharos Bavel instead of Shir Hamaalos, I mean that tis where the passuk of Im Eshkacheich is found.
During the Three Weeks on weekdays we do say Al Naharos Bavel instead of Shir Hamaalos.
They’ll have the same end as all idol worshippers.
Har Sinai.
Phil, I’m not going to respond to your angry rantings regardless of your having repeatedly copied and pasted the same outburst about four times already on this thread.
If you have something semi-intelligent to ask, I’d be happy to respond – as I have in the past.
Bump
Gaon,
Rav Vozner is not Chasidish. Everything you just said doesn’t dispute the fact that it is minimally the “minhag” hamakom.
Are you really trying to claim that if a Kiryas Yoel woman or a New Square woman or a woman from one of the many Chareidi (including most non-Chasidish Chareidim in Eretz Yisroel) communities where women do not drive, wants to drive then she can disregard the community and simply drive at will?
Takes2: No one disagrees that it is a machlokes haposkim, with great names on both sides, whether women may drive.
ghdora: The Mechaber didn’t give this Psak “over a thousand years ago.” And Klal Yisroel has accepted the Psakim of the Mechaber given in the S”A as binding. Furthermore, this Psak comes directly from Chazal. And even moreso, no one, that’s right no one – not before the Mechaber and not since the Mechaber, argues against this Psak in S”A (that’s also in the Rambam.)
Phil: Why are you angry at me at what Chazal, the Rambam and the Mechaber pasken is Halacha? All I offered to you before your outburst were maare mekomos.
ChabadShlucha: What does the Lubavitcher Rebbe teach about this?
Our friend just put out a new Purim video for Oorah called Eat4Oorah.
Phil, take a look at Shulchan Aruch EH 73:1 and Rambam Hilchos Ishus 13:11.
What’s being under the microscope have to do with how much time off is needed?
Women drive less than men, so as drivers they’re involved in less accidents and pay less insurance.
If an odom godol suggested this, rather than a commercial outfit, I’d say it’s worth considering.
B’chor, yerusha, pidyon haben, peter rechem, etc.
“The Mishnah Berurah uses that example regarding the issue of covering your head for mentioning Hashem’s name in general, not specifically for bentching or davening. It’s clearly two separate issues.”
How are you separating them? You obviously say Hashem’s name during davening and bentching. If you need it in general for Hashem’s name, kal vachomer for davening/bentching.
Gaon, the basis for his ruling didn’t change subsequent to his Psak.
Rav Shmuel HaLevi Wosner: Shevet HaLevi 4:1.2 and Shevet HaLevi 7:11.
HaRav Yitzchak Zilberstein issued the same Psak, less than two years ago, against women driving. He quotes the kuntres Rachmei HaRav from HaGaon HaRav Shmuel Halevy Wosner ZT”L, in which Rav Wosner writes women should not get a drivers license. He explains that while this is somewhat commonplace today, it is not advised for the actual process of obtaining the license results in compromising her modesty as does actual driving of a vehicle by a woman for this exposes her to sites in the streets and marketplace.
“וליבי אומר לי שהוא אחד הגורמים של האסונות הגדולים שנעשים בדרכים בארץ ישראל המפילים כל כך חללים והרגו כבר טובים וצדיקים וזה מצורף לכל העבירות הנעשים בדרכים שמולידים המחבלים שמסכנים הדרכים”.
“The Mishneh Berurah (91,10) says that using your sleeve over the head is fine.”
You hear that Meno? (Or is this one of those funny things you were talking about?)
I think there are ethical concerns about cloning people.
Imagine if they made many clones of me. All the leftists would go screaming bloody murder!
Gaon, Rav Vozner never changed his position. He maintained it was assur until his recent petira. Please read it inside. I believe I put a translation of his teshuva in an older thread here about women driving.
Gamanit: It isn’t *me* or my issue. Gedolei Poskim have addressed the issue of women driving. And some of them, including written teshuvos from luminaries such as Rav Vozner, ruled against it. As far as what their issue is, I believe it is the driving, not the sitting in the front seat.
Neville, I’m quite familiar with who EN claims supports them. Their claims aren’t accurate. I heard exactly what Rav Shteinman (and Rav Chaim) told them. The videotape is online. A careful listening of exactly what Rav Shteinman told them indicates he did not endorse everything they actually do.
ghdora, why would you or anyone think someone who puts a Talis on his head is (or even thinks he is) more Ehrlich?
ZD, you don’t sound like you’re a big fan of Shabbos.
No, Gaon, davening for the malchus is not equivalent to saying that Yidden and Goyim are equal or that we should daven for them equally or hope for the safety of them both equally.
ZD, just because something is done doesn’t mean it is correct or proper to do.
In any event, as some others have pointed out, Kiryas Yoel and New Square (or in Eretz Yisroel, Meah Shearim and a bunch of other places) would be an even better example. If a female visitor came to one of those places it would be improper for her to drive around. (Especially if she isn’t just passing through, but rather stopping and staying in town.)
Many Gedolim were in favor of not giving bochorim off for Chol Hamoed and, instead, keeping the Yeshiva open. Even if that meant giving them off another time.
Suppose a family conducts a memorial service for their child who was a victim of a mass shooting. Does the family deserve to be criticized for focusing only on their own child? Does that mean they’re being selfish and bigoted for not caring about the other victims?
BINGO! Klal Yisroel is all family.
Nechomah, that exactly illustrates my earlier point about the requirement for two head coverings.
You can send and receive faxes via a web browser or email (not to mention an old fashioned modem), eliminating the need for a physical fax machine even if you still have a need to fax.
BTW regarding women drivers the Rebbe explicitly told people is not our minhag to forbid women from driving but it depends if it’s the minhag hamakom by them. If it is they need to be careful about it there.
There you go, Neville. A Psak that “our women may drive in our community, but if they go to a community where driving is forbidden for women then our women are not permitted to drive there.”
I’m still tickled pink that this thread has become “Team Avi K and Joseph”.
Move to a country of only frum Yidden.
This is getting even more exciting. Now Midwest2 has concluded that not only is Avi K a troll but that I am one too. After first concluding I am, retracting that and saying I am not one but rather Avi K is. Now it’s double or nothing.
And how’d my friend ChabadShlucha come into this picture?
Anyways, Midwest2 has forsworn ever answering again. He’s too busy at the theatre with his non-R rated showbiz.
Gamanit, I don’t understand your question. I understand the technical aspect but not your point. Please explain how what you’re asking is relevant.
Neville, why would you assume that lo tisgodedu is inapplicable?
A Golem?
mdd, which statement of mine are you protesting?
Midwest, if you don’t remember me being here 5-6 years ago then, er, you weren’t really around. In any event, your comment from that period said you were okay with watching Hollywood movies unless it was rated R. (Your reference.)
Has anyone yet marveled that I’m being grouped on this topic with Avi K?
EN *only* operates in BP. Nowhere else.
Is the secrecy to prevent ayin hora?
When she’s the only woman driving in a neighborhood where women never drive. That attracts attention on her, as being out of the norm for a woman.
Neville: There’s still the issue of the tznius woman being an eyesore as that rare woman who is the only driver in the road (in Meah Shearim, Kiryas Yoel, Williamsburg, etc.). I mean you can find opinions that women can wear pants. (Yes, I know unlike here those are left wing rabbis.) Regarding Ezras Noshim, Rav Shteinman and Rav Chaim weren’t mattir. And EN doesn’t operate in Williamsburg in any event.
I’ve also mentioned earlier neighborhoods were virtually 100% of the women do not drive (per the Psak of the kehilos rabbonim.)
Coming from Midwest2, the guy who promotes Yidden watching movies, I’ll take any criticism from him as being a medal of honor.
Are you asking when should you tell your married daughter that your expecting a new sibling for her? What if Mom and daughter are pregnant at the same time?
The Slide to the Left.