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To draw out the blood.

On page 28 it has the breakdown by grade level. It says there are approximately 12000 12th graders and 15000 9th graders. That is a 25% gap.

Since the age gap matches up 12th graders to 9th graders, it follows that 25% of women do not get married.

You call that a catastrophe, Mr. Rechnitz? That’s a calamity!

Teachers are much more likely to be bullies to the kids than the other kids are.

Think of how many teachers you knew who were bullies. Then think of how many kids.

Then compare the number of teachers you knew to the number of kids. Some proportional difference, no?

I’m not sure if I can share the truth about this matter.

Ben Levi Continuation of Discussion on R’ Slifkin and Weiss from Manchester Eiruv Thread

ROB

I have no idea how you understood the Rambam.

The Rambam states quite clearly that he is discussint the three general approaches taken towards Mamorei Chazal. No where does he state in any way that he is only talking about specific cases. Not only that but if he would be discussing specific cases I would think he would mention which ones.

Secondly he states clearly that the problem is that these people feel they know more then Chazal.

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I have no idea how you can possibly come out of this Rambam that it is possible to “question the paremeters” of Chazal when the Rambam is takes great pains to state exactly the opposite.

Furthermore this Rambam is discussed by other’s (the Shelah comes to mind) and no one ever understands it the way you are stating.

As for Slifkin himself, I have read one of his books and afterwords went on his website to confirm his beliefs.

Another core principle of his belief is actual having a “rational” approach, he rejects mysticism, so I have no idea how you can infer this Ramabam as agreeing with his approach, he states quite clearly that in his view Chazal got their knowledge from Pliny afact the Rambam clearly disputes.

And I would add that I have studied these matters and I can pretty confidently state that there is virtually no source that adopts the approach he takes.

An example being would be that he is correct that RSRH does take one aspect of the the view he advocates in a famous letter regarding Aggadita, however the conclusions he takes of of that in his approach towards Mitzvos (what he considers the Rambams approach) is one that RSRH bitterly attacks and belittles in The Nineteen Letters, Letter 18, RSRH writes regarding it that it did more damage to Klal yisroel then Moses Mendelsohn’s teachings!

So in other words Slifkin uses one letter where RSRH endorses one aspect of his views to imply that RSRH is a traditional source” that endorses his philosophy, when in fact RSRH wrote so strongly against it that when the Nineteen Letters was originally translated into Hebrew, the Chazon Ish himself advised the publishers to leave it out for fear that RSRH would be taken out of context in attacking the Rambam in general instead of one understanding of the Moreh Nevuchim specifically.

And the vast majority of the sources that Slifkin qoutes do the exact same thing.

There is virtually no one who endorses his approach or his conclusions. It has been used by Hellenists, By Maskilim, and by the founders of Conservative’s and at every time that it has reared it’s head it has been bitterly and vociferously denounced.

Lost 1970 is a troll. S/he will be blocked if s/he does not stop trolling.

Highly unimpressed by the MO posters here. Their good faith is being undercut by their deleted comments in a big way. You ought to be able to differentiate between your hashkafic machloksim and bare unbridled bizui talmidei chachomim.

Get a spine (as one of you said). Stand up to these 3 people who run the RCA and say: Not in my name. You will not say horrible things about gedolim in my name.

So to summarize, this thread is based on a mistake. The End.

Together with the deleted posts, this thread threatens to be the most machlokes causing thread in recent CR history.

You can all call each other bigots on some other website. Thread closed.

saysme is rite

altho, DY is also rite, and isue mey hav tu b revsted f mssge ws x rcved

And I’ve got one regarding molestation where zdad “truly believe The aguda would have done even less than they are doing now if they were not shamed into at least admitting there was so issue.”

Well then. I suppose zdad’s true belief is a good reason to be malshin the agudah. I suppose so.

Some creep and retard just attempted to post on this thread, “outing” rebdoniel by saying his real name (supposedly), and making threats to his professional relationships and his spiritual life. Of course, he was willing to out rebdoniel, but was afraid to put his own name even into his profile.

These are not the tactics of legitimate causes.

Also, I am laughing my head off, that when push comes to shove, these “enlightened Jews”, return to cherem-like punishments and vague threats about your olam haboh unless you agree with them.

Let me tell you something else about being enlightened, Mr. Creepy. The goyim still won’t like you, so you may as well keep the Torah.

lmho (laughing my head off)

lumiiwsbcactwaidcbilth (laughing until my illegal immigrant workers stop baking challah and come to watch and I don’t care because I’m laughing too hard) (that’s a real internet thing, btw)

Aurora: Thank you for this story. It appears the lunatics have hijacked this thread. I’ll close it for everyone’s good.