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> should learn chitas
with all due respect to the components of chitas, I did not know that proselytizing is allowed here.
Frumguy,
thanks, this should be publicized. Seems so many people pay cash and do not know that it is legal!Now we understand why megilah refers to jews as chachamim yodea itim – because Persians still don’t. They went against a Mishnah, organizing prayers after the crash, after the rasha went to gehinom already. Next time, they should daven before the crash. NK should teach them tefilas haderech
> what do you think of daf yomi?
Hard to think about daf yomi, as when you just start thinking about the daf, you are already on the next one!
There is a lot to criticize about the daf, but here are the positives:
1) covering whole material, rather than someone’s favorite pages. You get a feeling for breadth of the material and amoraic interests and expertise.
2) You see how ethical behavior is naturally embedded in halachic thinking
3) you see how involved Rabonim were in minute details of donkey rental (current page). You will not misquote siyum of Kiddushin claiming that the only possible occupation is learning after you read about what businesses Rab bis were involved in – and how a Talmid Chacham needs to be more careful in business (like not doing something that looks like ribis that is allowed for others)
4) If you are trying to memorize all halachic discussions, you are probably not doing it right. BUT, various logical arguments, halachic, ethical positions are stated multiple times. Not only you can remember them, you will understand them better when you see similar ideas in different context.
5) You don’t need to think hard what to learn the next day, the page turns by itself.
This is easy to test – look at your posts 216 days ago and see if you are thinking better now.
ironically, lapis specularis was mined in Spain (Hispania) and sold in Rome in 1st cent CE and was forgotten after that when regular glass was invented. So, it was forgotten during Rambam times and found again by archeologists in 1700s … So, this might give us a good time frame for the word – 1st century CE.
jackk > Is it called humbleness when all I have learned is to never bet against Trump?
you are even humble about your humbleness!
> I do not play the market.
Of course, you won’t admit it now!
Avira > their presence and their dress might serve as examples for these kids that you could be super religious and fit their twisted political agendas that they were indoctrinated with in school, which could be a stepping stone to yiddishkeit.
More likely 90% of sane kids on campus will get turned off with such “yiddishkeit”, then they’ll search online and see that some “frum” people keep similar views in CR and H’V will never look again, unless some Chabadnik meets them.
Avira > if crazy people tell others to play in traffic, they’re just nuts; they’re not apikorsim.
There are so many halochos violated by suich behavior, they may not be apikoirisim, but they would not be “observant” peple either
How do vouchers work out for the community? Do they fully cover tuition or in part? Do schools need to certify that they are teaching yinglish? does it change variety of schools and power relationship between parents and school principals?
yankel > Dina de malhuta dina in EY nowadays is a mahloket – NOT like katan wants you to believe.
You have a good point. We have Talmidei Chachomim in our times having very divergent views on the topic. It is fine, I think, for us to discuss strength of competing views but it is not possible to declare any of the acceptable views as A’Z and similar, implying that some observant and learned Jews are guilty, H’V, of A’Z. The mods here are pretty good at flagging inappropriate attitudes towards some T’Ch, but not towards all of them. I was not aware that halochos of LH and similar depends on whether a T’Ch in yeshivish/chasiddish/modern/torah-moddaic/dati leumi, etc.
coffee> people that voted for Biden couldn’t have known that he would backstab Israel
Biden’s propensity to take wrong positions on international politics is well documented. True, one could not guess where he would go wrong – on Israel, Afghanistan, Russia, China or Iran. The perfect 5 out of 5 score that he has so far may not have been fully predictable, but at least 2 or 3 out of 5 was obvious. Whoever excused himself to roll this dice has no excuse.
jackk, your loss in shorting the shares is worth your gain in humbleness
HaKatan, kings of Israel (as opposite of Yehuda) were self-appointed, starting with a Reaganesque revolt against high taxes by an unpopular King.
Maybe there is some common ground between the sides here: Chachomim could use lashon used in their times in Greek culture to express their position. It may be agreeing with something, or using the Greek form but changing context to the Jewish one.
In this particular case, Diogenes Laertius records a 4th-hand story: Hermippus in his Lives refers to Thales the story which is told by some of Socrates, namely, that he used to say there were three blessings for which he was grateful ….
Right after that, DL quotes a story about Thales that might be of use for many: It is said that once, when he was taken out of doors by an old woman in order that he might observe the stars, he fell into a ditch, and his cry for help drew from the old woman the retort, “How can you expect to know all about the heavens, Thales, when you cannot even see what is just before your feet?”
R Meir lived 50-100 years before Diogenes Laertius
and probably Baraita’s attribution to R Meir is more accurate than Diogenes Laertius attribution to Socrates unless there are other sources. Also, see reverse order. Greeks start w/ ignoramusGadolHadofi> stop trying to confuse Joseph with the facts.
Thanks for your concern for the maeha, but I don’t think I am overwhelming him. He has koyach to stand up and ignore any adverse facts.
> Moshe Rabbeinu wore a shtreimel.
Jews have no problem changing their clothes. Just look at sephardi youth in Lakewood and other towns – they wear black cylinders and fully abandoned their traditional turbans and kefyiahs (which may be a good decision in current political environment). Why are they so quick to abandon their traditions? And why are their Ashkenazi bruders not telling them to keep their indigenous traditions? An Iraqi dresssing up as a Litvish is as funny as a Yekke dressing up as a Ungarishe.
Pls keep reform out of this discussion, this is a misdirection. Many charedi takanot that protect people from improper influences have good social reasons behind them, but this is not we are talking about.
I’ve seen lots of photos of observant Jews from Lithuania to Iraq. Most of them dressed similarly to their gentile neighbors. In some cases, they are dressed more on respectable side. Sephardi “gedolim” sometimes dressed more extravagant, but these were individuals. Most of people worked in whatever jobs they were able to obtain under restrictions imposed on us. Volozhin yeshiva had 400 students. Most Yidden did not expect other Yidden to pay for their learning and did not collect from non-Jewish welfare funds.
Charedim didn’t live under Ottomans, Jews did. None of them dressed like modern Charedim. And they were supported by other jews who volunteered to support them. They worked when they were allowed to. Newcomers charedim started demanding money from the government and are now endangering good relationships with the malchus that was indeed established over centuries.
With this attitude, whether you are right or wrong, you should simply try to distance yourself from those you do not want to be brothers with.
If you don’t like to live under Zionist regime, you are free to move to Islamic enclaves where you can live your dream-life as a dhimmi, who are not required to serve in the Muslim army. If you prefer not to move for whatever reason, you should similarly accept dina d’malchusa with whatever laws they make. If you prefer to be in prison, fine. Although if many will do it, they might be simply shipped out to PA, so you may as well do it on your own.Rocky,
it is perfectly legit and reasonable to first articulate what is an ideal halachik position, and then consider compromises with others (imperfect phrasing, as compromising with others should be done under halachik guidelines too, of course). So, presume majority of knesset members are shomer shabbat and baalei halakha – what should they do?If they decide that talmidei chachamim need to be excluded, I would think they’ll define criteria (and maybe timeframes). I doubt these criteria will be based on headwear, or who your zeidi was. Rabbi in Bava Basra asks poor people what they learned to give them food during a drought (and his students refuses to answer). It would probably be a higher bar to get this privilege. So, maybe a monthly test on what you learned?
Kuvult, so maybe as a public service, we should post here which matzos were whole and good. Like mentioned above, I found Ukrainian matzos under R Kamenetsky hashgoha pretty good and almost all whole. On thinner and overdone side.
there is a trade-off here: you can easily make matza thick and hard as cement and totally unbreakable – and inedible!
Maybe, having fragile tasty matzah with some chance of breakage is worth it.> bringing to the gentiles the Torah’s indisputable message that Zionism is not Judaism
This sounds like a fourth oath, not included in the first three, like the 5th department in the tefilin.
Jackk can’t go to the protests as police might arrest him.. Trump media is going after alleged illegal short selling of djt.
Hopefully Jack will be able to point to the ywn posts to prove that he did it out of sinat hinam with no financial goals. Djt $48+
ujm zogt twice> I don’t know who he is or, better, who he is to disagree with Chazal.
He wrote Torah once – and in a better shape than all Torahs written by his teacher R Huna .. He can also be found in Kiddushin 29 in support of argument between chachamim who thinks a person’s learning has precedence over his son and R Yehudah who thinks a son with an active mind (zariz) and whose Torah will endure has precedence. His story proves that the father should not work overtime to pay tuition for his less sharp children. So, sharpness and endurance are confirmed as factors in learning precedence. And of course, none of them suggested for both father & son to go learn and get supported by a combination of taxes and miracles.
As to your list of Bnei Torah, I am very happy to see anyone sitting and learning as long as he figured out how to do it in an ehrliche way – whether use his inheritance, or to eat and drink less, or to have a willing shver or eshes chail or an Issachar. If US government announces tomorrow that they will support all Torah learners should be paid life-long fellowships and this system is accepted by population, I might sit and learn full time myself. I would probably convince the sponsors that research in AI is an extension is included as an extension of Gemora sevora so that I continue doing some of my research also 🙂
If you zoche, you will get 3 whole matzas.
If you understand the value of mitzvos and hiddur thereof, you will buy enough boxes to ensure having 4-5 whole matzos.
If you swift as a tzvi you will buy them in tishri and have enough time to return
If you are smart as a fox, you will buy them on amazon and return for frei.If you are an erliche yid, you will do business with other ehriche yidden whose inside of the box is the same as the picture on the outside (3 whole matzas).
To quote Chacham Henrich Heine: it is impossible to live a life without trusting anyone, but you can live a reasonable life if you don’t let the same person to cheat you twice.> isn’t limited to abilities.
R Aha b Yaakov, I think, had a different opinion. He sent his son to learn for a year, then tested him, and left the son to work the fields, and he went himself …
You are also hijacking the word “Limud Torah” and same in English “learning” to become a synonym for “not working”. Shuls used to have groups doing tehilim/learning mishna/learning gemora, you choose the one you fit in. In our times, one can work and afford ArtScroll or simply use sefaria and YWN to learn after work. With work from home, you can take 15 minutes out of each hour to work and learn for 16 hours and have 20 hours a week job.
Are you saying that anyone who is willing to sit in beis medrash or thereabout whole day without much effect on the learning and middos is deserving community support, army exemption, etc? I would agree, provided full agreement by the providers. Possibly parents or in-laws could do that, and it is great, but I don’t think Israeli taxpayers do.
Doing, great description of learning.. I wish we had a way to Quantify that description. Some sort of a standardized test that measures the learning itself or even effect of the learning on the cognitive abilities in general. This would be a great thing to demonstrate to others and also of help to the learners themselves. For example, you can do a practice sat test and see evaluation in different skills
Lernt, it looks like a lot of people agree that it was a nes and we should acknowledge it. There might be disagreement between different groups with each claiming that it was their zechus of learning/chesed/army … As they say success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan.
Following this line, there might be a change in our zechuyos after Simchas Torah… Maybe we can compare the list of those who claim nes is due to them with a list of those who said that Simchas Torah was due to their aveiros and did teshuva. There were indeed people who showed more achdus than before, and so we should double down on that. I don’t want to start guessing specific examples, as I am sure someone will get offended and the opposite will be achieved.
> I know none.
Kuvult, there is actually a chassidishe niggun with either russian or ukrainian words, not sure, “there is none, none” but then continues “except Hashem Ehad” … “I am not afraid of no one and believe in no one ” …. “except Hashem ehad”. Maybe the pause was to full the commissar spies?DJT 58% up from 2 days ago. Jackkk is so smart not shorting. I admire the high quality of his indecision. This investing policy is a classic shev velotaaseh.
Channeling my inner Jackkkk: DJT is up 45% in the last day. Still difficult to short?
CS, there is no iron curtain around NYS, take a bus west if you are not happy.
Rocky, why not modify it to show ahavas for the other Yidden and go out and support them? _if_ the mitzva of talmud torah does not apply during bein hazmanim, why not do other mitzvos at that time.
> Why do you think that citing an open Chazal
because I asked what are opinions and you are quoting one, even as presumably you know more. I don’t know why someone will talk like that. Why not mention judges who are strict in applying halocha (Bava Metzia) or Gittin or Nedorim or kohanim fighting in Tosefta?
For those who do not want Zionist military to be the source of the nissim, note that US also used several amti-missile weapons that were never deployed before and were also successful. So, you can attribute the nissim to general zechus of EY. You can ask the USS Carney personnel where exactly the missile was aiming to figure out whether it is zechus of a particular yeshiva, whether charedi or hesder.
Gadol, I am not playing the market. Trying to live off honest parnosa and average US small-cap growth. Why is it difficult to short?
A really missed opportunity was the moment it became 90% clear that DJT wins the election. The market went down, I think for several hours, and then way up and up. It was 100% clear to me what was happening – analysts in their hubris and personal bias did not bother to prepare a market scenario based on DJT win. So, in panic, they withdrew the money, spend a couple of hours analyzing DJT policies and invested accordingly. Unfortunately, it would take me same number of hours to learn how to find appropriate instruments to invest …
To make sure I am fair, people should also not call themselves modern, denying tremendous innovations that chasidim, chabad, yeshiva movement introduced in response to modernity.
Trying to be positive, but it is hard to read when someone uses, as they say now, “exclusionary language”. Maybe you should copyright “Torah world” to make sure it does not apply to others. Use Rabbi Yannai as your copyright attorney.
>> How is putting Tefilin on random people
Haleivi >> our generation is faced with a scenario that was not around previously. Lubavitch aren’t the only ones involved in Kiruv.
I agree that our generation, and several last generations, encountered, and continues, encountering, changes larger than in most other times and we need to figure out a response and it is a hard challenge Hashem is giving us. And we need to give credit where it is due – to those Chabadniks who terelessly stand ask “excuse me are you Jewish” and do a lot of less visible activity than putting a tefilin in the street. … and s indeed many others are now involved with ‘Kiruv”, Chabad started it way earlier, with higher intensity and never used this questionable word that assumes that you are closer to Hashem than the other guy just because you learnt a little more. And maybe some of the undeniable problems the movement has is a side effect of their outreach. As R Miller says: if you put your hand into a fire to save a child, it is the right thing to do, but expect your hand to have burns.
They also made themselves very visible, so everyone has a kashya on Tanya or on their minhagim. A lot of other movements are way more insular. We see that when their views get exposed and debated here, many other groups are also not able to easily defend their views.
Gadol, how much did you earn? Maybe between your and jackk new found wealth, you could make a donation for a bonus to mods and a better posting interface.
>> Gemorah says one of the reasons
Preposterous to quote chazal’s “one of the reasons”. R Eliezer said about some people that they should not be taught Gemora so that they do not use it for shtuyos.
> there’s just a fundamental difference in the chinuch you and i received,
Avira, I apologize for being nosy, but I understood from your self-descriptions that you were disappointed with Mod-O chinuch you received and switched to a different derech.
I also recommend against keeping your rice, and your dishes, and your chometz in the same closet. As the current owner of the chometz might come and munch on his hometz, you don’t want him to use your pots & pans and also drink your Sake. That is if you actually have actual chometz for Pesach to my disappointment in your lack of chinuch, I am finishing my bourbon as we speak, seriously.
Mdd, Ukraine has lots of great systems by now, just not enough of them for the territory it has. Maybe if Ukrainians abandon their villages and bunch all together in an area size of Israel, they’ll be able to protect themselves. But as it is, at least Israel (and partners) downing all these projectiles over the heads of Arab countries is the most economical way to get rid of them. If Parsiim would not send them towards ISrael, they’ll sell them to Russkies and get something even more dangerous in exchange. So, gam zu l’tova, however horrifying it is.
When R Grozdensky was asked in 1940 Vilna who should use Sugihara visas – older T’Ch who would be first targets of upcoming occupation or younger ones whose children will be taken to anti-religious schools, he suggested – older ones because (1) they’ll be more useful to American Jews (2) they’ll be in a better position to help politically to those who remain. He did not suggest to simply sit down and learn better.
Avira, what did chazal say are reasons for BM2 churban?!
CS, I thought you are in NYS, but not in NYC? I thought the subway does not extend under the Hudson like Hamas or Nork tunnels?
And if you are inside – pick yourself up from that island and move to the American continent. Most ppl in NYC already followed the Rambam that Chazon Ish liked to quote and left it for greener deserts. There are probably >100 mln people who arrived to NYC from the alter velt and only maybe 20% of those are still hanging around.
That article about R Kamenetsky does not have an exact citation and the article author is niftar, but here is maybe a related reference :
. Yaakov Kamenetsky (Emet le-Yaakov, Shemot 12:2) who explains several curious aspects of Second Temple religious life based on the notion that the Sages recognized that the purpose of Bayit Shenit was to strengthen themselves for the coming exile.jackk, mazal tov on your first million shorting DJT stock?