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ujm, are you by any chance a gilgul of Robespierre?
Previous discussions here convinced me that there is some basis for height due to current exceptional (Baruch Hashem) growth of the community and age differences. Numbers add up. The “fault” is, of course, on those same parents who have so many children – so they have themselves to blame 🙂 Also, modern public health and medicine that enables those babies to survive – and Medinos of Israel and other artzos that partially support those babies and keep sholom in the world so that boys are not drafted into dangerous wars…
There are though differences as birth rates and age differences are different at different sub-communities, so “modern” crisis may be 10%, while Neturei Karta 30%.
I also wonder whether drifts between and out of communities differ by gender? I presume girls are more conservative (and have less time by being younger) to change the community, so this can also contribute. For example, if some charedi boys decide to go work and start feeling second-class among their own and move into more modern circles, this will decrease modern crisis, but increase charedi.
Mod, you decide whether this should be a public or private post.
I noticed on Russia-related front page posts several posters provide in-your-face pro-Russian defences are posting 1st or 2nd time and were registered recently. This is a classic example of Russian paid activists that are active on web and social media all over the world. I wonder whether you or your provider provides any screening for such things (repeated IP and other simanim) to make your life easier. Possibly, you already rejected 1,000 of them and we see only a couple.
If this stays private, I’ll send specific links
If you send names we’ll delete them if they show up on this side
I suggest testing protocol for Covid and middos.
All these tuna-eating yidden, do you know whose daas Torah were they following?
Gadol, Gemora discusses that some would stay at the lecture and delay going to urinate leading to later problems. I don’t think it mentions what aspect is the problem. Modern medicine seems to be of the same opinion. I’ll spare you multitude of references not to delay your trip to the bathroomMay 18, 2022 8:19 pm at 8:19 pm in reply to: Should we try to encourage Mashichists and Elokists to return to the fold? #2088294
When L Rebbe was paralyzed and moschihism was igniting, a local Rav called Rebbe’s secretariat and asked them how he can be of help in these difficult times. They asked him to publicize that this craziness is not coming from them. So, the Rav said it publicly. So, while this is not a direct testimony of what the Rebbe himself would think about it, but as close as it gets.
In our days, while Rashbi were quarantining in his cave, would be probably giving divrei Torah over zoom to the Meron hadlakah. Of course, he would be using Tor (sic!) to hide his location from Roman commissars.
Clearly, multiple wives exist on halakha, but what about real life?
Tosefta Ketubot 5:1 : R Tarfon engaged 300 women eat terumah during hunger. (on this note, one of my relatives engaged or faked marriages with several women to take them to the safer side of the war front during WW1)
Tosefta Yevamot – saus 2 families of cohanim come from tzaros
Yerushalmi Tevamot mentions R Yehuda HaNasi telling one brother to do yibum to 12 sisters-in-law
Raban Gamliel II (through yibum)
Archeology: found a ~ 440 BCE ketubah saying that the husband agrees not to take 2nd wife
source: Goldfeder, Mark. “The story of Jewish polygamy.” Columbia Journal of Gender and Law, vol. 26, no. 2, 22 Oct. 2013,
second wife is discussed a lot as a (difficult) concept in Gemorah, true. We know a lot of personal information about amoraim. There are those who had happy and unhappy marriages; those who married early or late, or even did not. We have a daughter of rosh yeshiva who marries two best students (not at the same time). Are there any named yidden with two wives in Gemorah? Even Ahshverosh was happy with one Vashti.
MRS. SEMINARY GIRL
How do say oxymoron in Yiddish?
You never know even from direct testimony. One of the amoraim lost ability to have children from r Hunas long lectures without bathroom access, but maintained publicly that he already fulfilled the mitzvah.May 17, 2022 12:04 pm at 12:04 pm in reply to: Boy lost intl. chemistry competition for refusing to compete on Shabbos #2087620
Somehow I agree with syag when she chastised someone else 🙂 the lesson learned is that everyone fills in the blanks with assumptions. In this case, it was a simple fact, other cases might be more subtle and stay undetected, reinforcing biases even further. I was also confused by lack of a location, so suspended judgment until I saw the references.
I don’t suggest the boy to break shabbat at all. My first idea is to make it public by just coming there. Separate suggestion to do experiments that might be allowed might be wrong in this case when Muslims did not change the rules, so this became an issue of principle rather than pure melocha
For example, op presumes that one needs socks
You can’t patent this solution. A matrona tested it at the beginning of sotah and it didn’t work well. But it maybe not so much the precision of match needs to be relaxed, but what the features you are matching on. Some suggested here that tie for Mincha is a good siman, another rosh kollel told me that he had only one question – are mehutonim honest in business. Maybe rosh kollel takes tie for Mincha and being in business as obvious, and maybe your rav presumes that honesty is there and only the tie needs to be checked.
Moishe, could you try comparing death rates in USA v comparable countries during both presidents? That will tell you effect of each of them, if any. Same for vaccination rates.May 17, 2022 12:17 am at 12:17 am in reply to: Boy lost intl. chemistry competition for refusing to compete on Shabbos #2087361
Great kid. I wonder whether he could have gone there and just told them what to do so they felt bad about it. I guess it would be easier with questions rather than labs. Any chemistry would be mutar? Heating using a blech? Mix into food and drink? Might have worked for some experiments… Or just say there learning Mishna as a protest, maybe other kids would support him
Next we will have daf yomi at a stadium, has vesholom
Those who admire Rashbi and aspire to emulate him in avoiding derech eretz, should recall whether they were able to stay in quarantine for two weeks eating just carob
Akuperma the way I read this interaction, Chazon Ish was explaining his community building approach, referring to the rambam’s suggestion to move to the midbar if there’s no decent town to live in. There was nothing about caves, you are taking it too far.
Avira, my knowledge of rogochover is from several secondary sources over the years. I am told that someone tried to bring every sefer quoted in one of his teshuvos but stopped when there was no more place on the table, so I didn’t try yet. So feel free to correct my misconceptions.
You seem to be triggered and defensive the: rationalism v maskilim. I think we should not. It is as silly as being defensive about learning chumash just because another religion quotes it also. Rational approach to things is not a chiddush.
You mention an interesting thing about moreh nevuchim. Rogachever seems to treat on par with Mishna Torah and sees it as organically Jewish as you say, while many others even as they respect rambam in general, treat this book with caution. It will be interesting to see inside how Rogachever integrated things others as foreign.
Also. If I recall correctly he coexisted well with Ohr Sameach despite chabad v litvishe tensions in general
> if you are first a big person in learning, politics will not affect your halachik jurisprudence.
politics was never easy and there were places/times to stand tall or compromise. For example, R Yohanan b Zakkai successfully asked Vespasian for what could have been saved – and dreaded later in life whether he made a mistake and could have asked for more … Chofetz chaim successfully ran away from Soviet Russia and later regretted that he, and other Rabbis, abandoned remaining Russian Jews
what are world classics that we think Jewish kids should/could read and which ones they should not?
keep in mind not just what is talked about in current America – as a lot of classics (such as Mark Twain) is already banned in USA.
this approach of first having gov mess things up and then use the crisis to blame others and take more power is not unique to baby formula. for example, Obama switched student loans from private to federal programs “to save money”. Now, the government has power to “forgive” those loans on our behalf.
you can make 8-minute daf into 16 or 4 minute if you play it at different speeds. Playing at 1.5x speed seems to work better for my mind for a normal speaker, as I have less time to go into other thoughts.
If you don’t know whether to trust the producer, take a topic that you know well and listen on that topic and see how he stands against what you already know. If you are concerned about political slant, take a topic that you know that touches on that item. There is a story about I don’t remember who, who was asked whether a certain sefer on Chumash is kosher. He opened it briefly in 3 places and said – no it is not. How did he know? He opened in places where Chumash hints to Olam Habo (Yaakov buried, etc). In all places, the author chose not to discuss the issue, so he does not believe in it (a typical type of kefira at the time)
jackk, missing facts seem to be: FDA blames manufacturer, manufacturer does not see their fault, nothing was found. Investigation was going for 3 months. FDA did not see to realize or warn superiors what it means to close a major plants for 3 months.
Bigger issue – states issue discounted one-supplier contracts leading to industry consolidation, so that one plant closure is catastrophic.
I also hear an interesting argument repeated by the libs, up to Pelosi – historically SC ignored previous decisions “to expand liberties” and this is somehow part of the founders’ wisdom. But ignoring it to “decrease liberties” is unheard of! In other words, we can do it, but you can’t. A very entertaining idea.
Avira, looks like my position is slightly different from the Rav you are quoting. I simply think we should not get involved into controversial topics where our stakes are low and controversy is high. For example, fighting Nazis was somewhat controversial in US but was important for us and also very clear morally. Advocating for Soviet Jews was important for us, clear morally, and while opposed by some commies, did not really intrude on most Americans. Supporting civil rights in the 60s was reasonable morally, but ventured into controversy and while satisfying some, lead to mixed results (as I heard from people who participated). In this case, this is a very peripheral issue for our community (possibly affecting an Alabama Chabad House), very controversial, and with somewhat mixed morality. So, I would simply stay away. I do admit that other positions are possible (except rabid defense of abortion for the sake of liberal dogma which is disgusting).
jackk> They will have to rule on the legality of cases coming from all 50 states.
I did not study this close at all, as I feel that the issue is so controversial and not germane to our role in society – that Jews should stay away from this in politics. But it seems to me that the Supremes are moving towards decreasing federal role in these cases. So, they are not going to rule on legality, but simply defer to states. In modern Us, some issues, like slavery and discrimination, see so outrageous that the country is not willing to tolerate individual states having separate policies. But on abortion, the country seems to be far from agreement … So, after we will have states fully developing their positions, then it will be possible to see viability and morality of those positions and, hopefully, there will be some conversion of positions across states over time – something Roe prevented. It may actually be good for liberals that conservatives will be less motivated to get to elections and vote in order to approve conservative Supremes.
Do any kids read any of world classics, whether at school or not? And if yes, what is your secret?!
Avira, it is possible to not want to impose halakha in US politics, and respect constitutional restrictions and federal/state issues. I am not sure where the boundary is. On some issues, I feel like we should try to improve the world, on others to stay away. Maybe different people feel differently about specific issues.
jackk, reposting gov propaganda without critical reading makes us suspect that you are posting from North Korea. WSJ is already writing that the case involves some heavy-handed gov regulation. I am not convinced everything they mention is true, but you may want to read that before posting and somehow integrate the information.
In my humble industry experience, every D- administration unleashes all kind of auditors and regulators swarming around businesses, trying to claw back money here and there, generally behaving like Chinese commissars that businesses need to apologize to them for doing something at all and thank them personally for the favor. During early Obama times, it was so ridiculous, that Congress got involved and slashed funds for some of those regulators and suddenly you start getting occasional email from a far away office instead of menacing visits from a local one (that got downsized). So, without knowing exactly who drank the formula, I would suspect gov first nd business second.
Shakespeare lived in the period when Jews were not allowed in England (1280s-1650s), so Jews were probably just a theoretical concept for him and his audience.
Syag, all it was in my suggestion that if someone chooses to cut into the traffic (and I was tempted) that one will probably think about not looking Jewish. Someone will not. I thought of a black hat as a visible sign of a driver. If someone says a sticker “darchei Torah noam”, they might think of taking that down too. On that note, yes, I was a couple of times embarrassed when I looked at a driver who cut me off, and he had the hat on. Bu this would be, as you say, unfair – I am sure I was 1000 times cut off by someone else and did not pay attention. I guess the question for the kahal here would be – when you know that people see you as Jewish, does it affect your behavior in some way? Would you not drive in front of someone, or grab something because of that? I am sure there are people who will behave properly anonymously, and there are those who do not anyway, being so used to their levush and not thinking how the world sees them.
common, you are right, I am more interested in improving our behaviors than bashing grandchildren of Nazis. I am with you on maintaining behaviors as we are always looked at and represent am Isroel and Hashem and his Torah. Looks like those with less contact with the world and less aware of these issues. Maybe you can help educate the kahal more.
Syag, I am only complaining about my lack of middos and asking for an advice. I did not say this was in Monsey!
ujm, you probably using circular logic here: you call “frum” those who live in your community and non-frum those who are not. Then, by your definition, frum move towards your communities. My impression was that the impressive growth of the communities was mostly due to childbirth, not immigration from Deep South and Midwest, but I may be mistaken. In the OOT communities, there is definite in- and out-flows, as everywhere in USA, but I see more, as Avira says, arrivals from the “in towns” into teaching, kollels, colleges, jobs. Those who leave into “in towns” usually have previous connections to those places, or go for learning or Jewish colleges. Others leave to other communities or EY.
Gadol, Litivishe v Yakkish, look it up on the map. Not my words.
jackk> If anything, overruling Roe would expand court involvement by inviting action in state courts, testing the scope of what is protected under state constitutions.
pls, do not mix up federal and state courts. It is legitimate for state courts to resolve state issues. States are, at least as originally envisioned, full-fledged decision makers, they are not limited as federal government is/was to specific issues. And, as you mention later, some issues will probably come back to the federal courts, but it will not be such a problematic issue as forcing decisions for the whole country when different states hold vastly different opinions.
This is not my taste. I don’t like people that much.
ujm, how are Jewish pattern different here? Are you claiming that Jews lives among Indian tribes first!?
During most migration, most Jews arrived to NY and other big NE ports. There were minor periods when there was migration to small NE towns, and eary on Reformim sponsored Eastern European plebeians to go to Texas not to embarrass them in from of the society. Then, they started moving out of big cities to suburbs and to the rest of America just like the goyim. True, Jews go to NYC for yeshivos and colleges, pick up cheap(er) kosher food, and on the way to EY, but this does not deny the main thread that they (or their parents) previously left the cities. This is _way_ different from Jews in Ukraine Pale who are moving to a big city.
Here is a really tough case I encountered lately in a long commute that is really difficult from the point of view of middos, your advice is appreciated:
two lanes narrow into one into a turn to another highway. 90% of cars organize into one lane long before the turn and move slowly for 5-15 minutes. 10% of cars speed by and then merge in right before the turn. Of course, more than 10% ends up merging in, significantly delaying the rest.
What are the options?
1) Ignore them and stay in the slow lane, observing this injustice and cheated of time, getting agitated and higher blood pressure
2) Accept suffering as punishment for other avonos
3) count how many Jews fly by
4) spend time in traffic to complain about it in CR
5) Get into fast lane and cheat others. Maybe use a Sombrero instead of a black hat to pretend to avoid hillul Hashem
6) block slowly in the fast lane, showing them how to behave and praying that those drivers are not armed
7) drive a different route with extra 10 minutes to avoid seeing this ugliness
which one would you choose or any better suggestions?
Avram, great advice on timing! It is actually better works other way – first, you organize your trips well, then you look forward to time when you can enjoy your learning, coffee time, or with your kids or spouse, or friend – and then it is easier to leave 30 minutes earlier. Positive motivation. For example, I actually found that elementary school kids interact well with parents when confined to car seats, so morning was great time to teach them something important before school injects their priorities.
common, a funny misconception, and I can explain why. One Rosh Yeshiva describes Lakewood after maybe 1960s as exactly that: “Litvishe Rabbis teaching Hungarian students” … So, maybe that is what you see now. This is not to deny existence of Litvakim with yichus, but there are too many pretenders.
Communist revolution will not work in USA. People will immediately rebel when bread lines will grow and Amazon will not deliver in one hour.
Democratic mis-management is the answer! By gradual mis-management and destroying the market, Dems create minor problems, turn around and blame markets for those problems and propose “solutions”. Meanwhile, population get used to the “new normal”.
Simplest to understand: discourage oil & gas investment but without fully killing existing production; insult all potential oil producers; then any disruption will raise the prices and there is no capacity to add; blame producers for gauging, introduce price controls, extra regulation; fully destroy industry.
Probably same with baby formula – high gas prices, regulations lead to increase in delivery prices. Bad labor policies lead to lack of qualified workers. Maybe bad regulation and supervision leads to the major factory contamination.
Hashem sent this traffic to make you better! Slow down, learn Mishna by heart, listen to a tape, talk to the kids in your car, call your mother, let a couple of people in front of you, drink coffee slowly, review LSAT, meditate, solve Fermat theorem. All provided you can do it safely, of course. I notice that when I am doing something productive, I am a safer and better driver as I am not in a hurry to get somewhere, I am OK to let others go before me – I would even break on yellow (not a minhag in my area) just to finish the sugya!
Gadol > we are now seeing the consequences of medical conditions that might have otherwise been treatable .
I agree with the rest you are saying, but I would be curious to see statistics by condition. Would not be surprised that for some conditions, there will no or positive effect. For example, there is always speculation that early detection of some (not all) tumors causes extra biopsies, surgeries, without effect on survival. Also, there is famous research that mortality of heart surgeries decreases on the week when all senior surgeons are away for major annual conference.
Gadol > Find a guy who was a ski-instructor out West
Indeed. Note that historically most people lived on farms and then moved to “town”. But, in modern America, immigrants mostly arrive to big cities with the ethnic communities and then graduate to suburbs or out West. So, Avira’s assumptions that most people in small towns are country bumpkins who wait for towners to teach them or accumulate funds to buy a bus ticket to NYC is incorrect. It was in-towners who were accumulating funds to pay tolls and gas to cross the bridge from the island into America. I am not saying that one way is better or another, just general direction of movement.
Same is still true: big NE cities grow by immigration. while previous residents move to NJ or FL or TX.
Kalev does not count, he was a Zionist