Forum Replies Created
Does anyone else have Minhag not so say “goodnight” on Shabbos but only Gut Shabbos?
Ah, I see. Most definitely true. See rambam Hilchos Yom Tov I think 19:21
Apushtayid – sorry, you’ve lost me. What point where you making?
It is the father’s job to speak. That said, it must be done “Derech Shayloh U’teshuva” so children questions are not only required, they are crucial. See Griz in Stencil. See also Sifsei Chaim on this – cant remember which ma’amar.
As an aside, the Rambam is mefurash that the Mitzvoh is to be doresh on the Pessukim from Aromi Oveid Ovi. Therefore the bits before are nice, but only a prelude to the main act.
See Rav Brevda (cant remember name of sefer off hand) who brings a beautiful mehalech through the whole haggodoh showing how it mamash is maschil begunus and mesayem bshvach.
There is also a well-known debate between Reb Chaim Brisker (I think)and Reb Chatzkel as to whether the ikkar is emunoh or hakoros hatov. See Rav Brevda again – talmid of Reb Chatzkel so goes with his mehalech.
Personally, I try and make it interactive for a bit, then serious, then interactive, just to keep my kids awake.
The main point – as MB brings- make sure you anser your kids question – why is this night different!
Hi Nechomah – I hope it won’t embarrass you or sound patronising (you can put a Z in there if you want) but that’s really amazing of you to go and do all the research.
Your husband is correct, the Gemoro there (see Tosfos) is talking about Besar Shlomim. That said, tell him to see tur and Beis Yosef who shtell Tzu to Bossor on Shabbos which is a really interesting Tzu Shtell since Lechora they are two totally different Mitzvos (Taynug vs. Simchoh).
In Rambam shteit that “Ein Simchoh Eloh B’Bossor V’EIN SIMCHOH ELOH b’yAYIN” and the Nosei keilim go to town on what Pshat is. See Binyan tzion and Prishoh.
L’maaseh it seems the Halocho is not klohr though as you bring from the MB, people should be drinking a reviis Yayin even on Chol hamoed. maybe one can be melamud Zechus that for someone who drinking would damage, its lo goruah from any other Mitzvos assay where one doesn’t need to injure oneself to be mekayem (except 4 Kosos – see Gemoro).
Anyway, sorry, I wasn’t having a go – this is just a pet topic of mine! People quote it like you did where I am from as well and it always brings out the pedant in me.
Nechomoh – “As far as the meals, it says “ain simcha ela basar v’yayin” “
Do you have a Mekor for those exact words? (please note the pedantry in the question). Rishonim, early Achronim or well known Poskim only please.
I’m currently voting in. Never really thought I’d say that as I quite passionately hate the EU and its stupid rules (and not being voted for and etc. etc. ) but I’m scared of the interesting bed fellows that Brexit is creating.
Please people, not another thread on this topic. Bitochon is a nearly impossible sugya to understand.
Mik5 – perhaps a good Tzu shteel is the Rashi (Gemoro)about saying you want to eat chaser… No one says you have to like Matzah and I don’t think tis bizoyondik to say you don’t like it. We do it for a Mitzvah.
Geordie613 – I’m guessing you don’t want people to know who you are. May I humbly suggest that if so, perhaps you may want to consider not giving hints…
Bigboy – Thanks. I believe I do know the halochos quite well and would be grateful for a Mekor in Shas, Rishonim or Achronim for davka giving to people you are not friendly with. As it happens, sevoro says fakert. Being marbeh reiyus (I think that’s more the pronunciation), is mashmah there is already a reiyus between you which you are being marbeh (loshon ribui = more, you cant have more if there isn’t anything there already).
It sounds to me an urban myth…….
So, source please.
apushatayayid & copymachine – source please for it being better to give to someone you are not on good terms with.February 29, 2016 2:42 pm at 2:42 pm in reply to: If there is 1 thing i should bring to seminary, what should it be? #1149539
RebYid23 – laughed out loud. I LOVE that book
Don’t forget Toras Moshe
It is time for truth – while I come from the same beis hamedrash as you do, you must realise others come from a different viewpoint – no?
Joseph – regretfully, your question appears to lack an appreciation of my own question.
Halochos exist because they are the halocho (i.e. We will work with Orthodox theory that hashem, for whatever reason, desires X, Y and indeed, Z actions – these then became halochos – though I’m sure someone will throw in here about the difference between halochos and Mitzvos – lets skip that).
So….. Why do you presume a spirit of Halocho exists which, according to you, binds people outside the letter of halocho? If you refer to Chassidus ( a la the Mishna in ovos) perhaps that is also defined? We find in different areas of halocho that something is called Midas Chasidus, or Lifnim Mi’shuras hadin, yet it is brought in Halocho.
Very topical for Purim – See Ohr Gedalyohu – think its first piece on Purim but might be about Parshas Zochor.
Bitochon is major Machlokes, from gemoros to Rishonim to Achronim to whatever we call ourselves.
We all have to ask ourselves lots of questions to work out where we are holding.
A part of Yiddishkeit where there is, by definition, not one rule for everyone.
Joseph – who says there is a spirit of the law?
MA – Grateful for the suggestion. B”H I’ve been learning long enough and have sufficient yedios in the sugyas to have my own opinion.February 25, 2016 12:33 pm at 12:33 pm in reply to: Should Yeshiva's (all of them) say Mishberach for Israel soldiers on Shabbos? #1139766
Popa – I was arguing L’shitoscha.
You cannot argue that someone who doesn’t see Chazal as binding should show their gratitude through Chazals version of gratitude. I believe you. You believe it. They don’t.February 24, 2016 5:58 pm at 5:58 pm in reply to: Should Yeshiva's (all of them) say Mishberach for Israel soldiers on Shabbos? #1139727
Joseph – so frum – I was appreciating DY’s comment – the specific was irrelevant.February 24, 2016 5:26 pm at 5:26 pm in reply to: Should Yeshiva's (all of them) say Mishberach for Israel soldiers on Shabbos? #1139723
Popa – Davenning and Hakoras hatov are an interesting link. I am sure many would argue they feel grateful and that is enough. if you disagree, are you not guilty of your own first point?
DaasYochid – beautiful
Scares them stiff and white?
Old Man – I did – but I’ve been through the system
Mashiach Agent – a philosophical question – should I try to convince myself of something JUST because it will make me happy?
I recall once discussing (different thread I know) the question of eating at young couples with my maggid Shiur. he was surprised by my right-wing views on it and asked where I got the Shitta from. I explained, in all innocence, that I just couldn’t understand why it was Ossur to talk to a call yesterday, but now she is married it’s Muttur?
My point being that individuals are different. What makes sense to one person makes little sense to another. Life just isn’t that straight forward. Life isn’t always about “Vos shteit.”February 24, 2016 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm in reply to: Should Yeshiva's (all of them) say Mishberach for Israel soldiers on Shabbos? #1139718
I am not sure why you point out there are religious Jews as well as irreligious? You imply you would understand those of us (myself included) that don’t say such a prayer if it was just irreligious Jews in the army?
I got a sub-title!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Geordie613 – Same in the capital (shout out for Hagers)
TakahMamash – he doesn’t. He is saying that of that type which etc. Don’t be so low self-confidence.
Flatbusher – I agree. I said that an MO may not “Get” the problem, meaning that they might not understand. lets be fair, its strange to hear that while you have “platonic” girlfriends, others wont even eat at people’s houses where men and ladies might talk. But of course, we (of the yeshivishe velt) consider this an issue.
I remember when I was a Bochur in EY I had rules about who I would eat at. Never young marrieds. Just so wrong on so many levels.
Benzion – I use intimate in the sense or tete-a-tete. Where there are only four people at a table (unless its a really long table!) it will be intimate. A reualr Shabbos meal obvosuly depends on myriad circumsatnces. if I start to delineate some of those, any I leave out will be questioned.
Listen, cant we all agree that since we have such various backgrounds that its nearly impossible to agree? An MO who grew up on Bnei Akiva will not get whats wrong with talking to his freidns wife. A yeshivish gu from out of town will not get whats wrong with having friends over even if they don’t talk. A shpitz yeshivish guy from Lakewood will not understand etc.
Yehudayona – As I understand it, everything is about what one can do. If one is a doctor, one cant really can one? If one is in learning, one doesn’t need to talk to women…
Just to start a fight…. This shows why people in Kollel are reasonable (not saying I agree, just saying I hear the sevoroh) in not wanting their children in class with people that work. The father will L’maaseh, have different sensitivies to inyonei kedusha. (No, before some joker points it out, I’m not saying all working people are doctors, work out the Tzu shtell yourselves).
Utterly hilarious. All of them. I’m not sure if its because they are b’etzem funny or because I get a good feeling that I understand them!
I once took my car to a yeshivishe mechanic and he said the air in the tires was a bit low, but I shouldn’t worry about it. Why not, I asked. Because he said, BitLow Mevutal.
Sam2 – whilst loath to defend Joseph, surely you appreciate that various different people have different approaches. One of these differences is whether a person looks to try and keep Shulchan Oruch purely based on “Vos shteit” or alternatively they want to go beyond the letter of the law. I must stress that I actually find both options to be valid and to have extremely logical reasons for them.
My personal preference is to work with what I have. When I work in Goyish palces, I use first names. Yiddishe places, Mrs etc. Of course its all fake because we’re creating false fences but we value that. Of coruse, that’s my personal preference.
I would suggest that it all depends on you. If you are sensitive to matters of Kedusha, then an intimate meal with another couple may indeed not be the best idea.
Your Friend – I’m sure it is. Wow, you’re fortunate to learn so much.
Homer – shush… don’t shout it so loudly… you know the Novardok joke….February 9, 2016 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm in reply to: The Root Behind The Palestinian/Israeli Conflict Really Just Has To Do WithI #1136785
147 – are you aware you posted “Eisov Sonei es Yaakov” on a post about islam?
yourfriend – 8 hours a day halocho? What do you mean? Do you mean the Sugya through from Shas to Poskim?
I did say it was borderline Chassidish 🙂
But, that said, the gemoro does say the Avodah Zoro inside a person is the Yetzer Hora. But yes, halachically, learn Sanhedrin and the definitions are there.
However, most people commenting here are also talking Mussar – like teachers saying etc.
But (again) point well made 🙂
Ohr gedalyohu explains the Machlokes rambam and ramban about the reason for Korbonos based on gemoro (cant remember source as I’m at work) which says – Eizehu Avodah Zoro She’B’Odom, Havei Omer, Zu Yetser Hora. Basically, the Ohr Gedalyohu learns this as being the ego (lots of maarei mekomos for this), so what the Rambam means is that a Korban is supposed to distance oneself from the Avodah Zoro of “I,” the ego – this answers why Odom ha’Rishon brought a Korbon even though there was no Ovodah Zoro then. When he did the Aveiroh he felt an “I” inside himself and immediately wanted to draw that closer to Hashem. (I’m not doing justice to one of the most brilliant pieces in the Sefer – go look inside). As such, everything that involves putting, “I” above Hashem is Avodah Zoro. But this is borderline Chassidishe Torah 🙂
Whilst loath to bring torah to a forum, I must suggest something to those who say there is no Mekor for an anniversary. those involved in the “Seforim” will know that each day has its hashpo’o Milmaalah (see Berditcherver on I think Chanukah about why certain Nissim are celebrated and others not, see Maharal about Roch Chodesh Nissan, See Ohr gedalyohu on the same). Now, while it may be arguable that these hashpo’os always existed and our anniversaries do not affect this, I would say (only guessing but based on knowledge of above) that an anniversaries are a prime time to relate to the hashpo’o that existed on one’s wedding day and reunite under the Chuppah.
Bit flowery I know 🙂
you see Joseph, one can know a little Torah and still be happy 🙂
I’m sorry that you feel you have to prove you love Torah more than your wife. Those of us who learnt in Yeshivah should (as should everyone) appreciate and understand the beauty and value of both.
Joseph – sad, very sad.
For anniversaries my wife and I enjoy going to places we went while we dating so many years ago.
Brings back memories of the good times 😉
I’ve followed these rooms on and off for many years and its funny what makes me actually eventually post (though i think I did along time ago and I’ve lost that email address and password).
Anyway…. Joseph…. what’s up with you? Are you some flaming BT or something? Just chill.
My wife and I are very frum, even very yeshivish, but we celebrate both – so we can get two sets of presents from parents 🙂