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CTL, in the Dred Scott decision involved someone who was already property whereas the Kleppe decision involved wild burros. The Federal government cannot declare property ownerless but it can declare that something which is not owned can be, in effect, Federal property.

MrSarah, I can’t find the post.

Shopping, yes but they are obviously keeping quiet about it. Or the press is not reporting their opinions.

MrSarahLevine613 (just out of curiosity, are you a Mr or a Mrs?), I do not know what the OTD percentages are for different sectors. I do know that in the RZ sector an effort is made to keep them in the community even if they are personally observant in order to limit damage and hopefully bring them or their children back. In the Chareidi community children who do not tow the line 100% are often kicked out or move to the RZ sector. There is also a very serious problem of OTD kids hanging around in Chareidi communities and getting into various levels of trouble. I myself, when I lived in Bene Beraq (in a mixed RZ-secular area) once went for a stroll on Shabbat night and had t run away from a certain corner because of a rumble between the shabbab Charieid, as they are called, and the tzeniut patrol. The next day posters went up warning people to stay away from that corner.

Actually the new regs will not force anybody to do anything. They simply say that if the schools do not provide a certain number of hours of secular studies they will not receive state money for textbooks (why bother if they are not using them?), transportation, etc. The yeshivot can elect to pass on the money and either raise tuitions, look for private donors or look for community support or any combination of the above,

AY, I have news for you. They are already abandoning it. More and more young Chareidim are joining the IDF, getting secular educations and going out into the general job market. The fact of the matter is that the Chareidi innovation was only a horaat sha’ah for two generations from the get-go.
As for Rav Kanievsky, his grandson controls who sees him and what he hears. He himself wrote that he signs any proclamation his rabbis (courtiers) tell him to sign.

Neville, Rav Kook said that we should not use either as those words prevent teshuva. People with the label “secular” think that as a religious term it does not apply to them whereas those with the label “frum” think that they do not need to do teshuva. <National Review recently ran an article blasting liberals for excusing black antisemites like Alice Walker. It seems to me that certain people excuse “frum” fraudsters and even those who do much more serious crimes.

Alles,
1. The story about Chevron is a fake story. Actually te Zionists sent emissaries to the rabbanim offering armed protection. the rabbanim said that it would inflame the Arabs and that they had good relations with local arab leaders who would prevent a pogrom.
2. The story about The CI and BG is also a fake story. Actually, the CI said “Our camel carries a greater load so it should go first”. BG said “Ours also carries a heavy load”. BTW, the CI also said that someone who is not really learning full-time should be reported to the IDF authorities.

Horrified, does your shul say the “misheberach” for the soldiers?

Neville, Sarah wrote either an apology or an acknowledgement of the soldiers’ contribution. Considering the treatment Chareidi soldiers receive in Chareidi neighborhoods with no one protesting shows a complete lack of hakkarat tova. Do these alleged “bnei Torah” learn at all? If so they should stop immediately and completely. The Gra says in Even Sheleima 1:11 that Torah is compared to rain because it makes everything grow. Someone with innate bad middot who learns will become even worse. Rav Aviner adds that he will even find
“Torah “rationalizations for his actions thus magnifying the chillul Hashem.

Shoppin, who says? If so, then the yeshiva boys should be the first ones drafted.

NYer,
1. Rav Ovadia said that without the army there would be no yeshivot.
2. Actually unity is the key. None of Achav’s soldiers were killed in battle because they were united. Unfortunately, part of the Chareidi world has formed its own separate nation. It does not take part in Am Yisrael’s celebration (Yom haAtzmaut) or sorrow (Yom haZicharon). Rambam says that such a person has no place in the next world even if he has Torah and good deeds.

Jakob, “hatzlacha” means “don’t expect any help from me”.

CA, what had gravity was the libels.
1. Ford “could not remember” where or exactly when. She also claimed that she drove to the house herself even though she was only 15 and that afterwards she called a friend on a cell phone that did not exist.
2. Ramirez also had memory problems but admitted hat she was very drunk.
3. Swetnick is a serial liar represented by the same woman who sued Trump – and not only lost but was ordered to pay his legal expenses.
4. The fourth woman is completely anonymous. Anybody can write an anonymous letter. “She” might not even be a woman.

While we are on the subject, what about a drunken, adulterous (according to common American parlance) murderer lecturing the Senate on morality during the Bork hearing?

Ubiquitin, the GOP platform does not mention it and Trump implied that he does not believe in it. I personally do not think that Netanyahu, or anyone else outside the fever swamps of liberalism really does. For some reason they think that they have to pay lip service. Even Abbas does not want it, IMHO. He keeps threatening to declare a state but never does.

Participant, what about Pence/Haley for 2024?

CTL, who says that J. Levine Co. is acting properly? There was also a company that printed siddurim on Shabbat.

Ubitquin, anybody who really believes in the so-called two-state solution (there are already three states: Israel, Jordan and Gaza) is living in a fool’s paradise. The Fakestinians will never declare peace with Israel. Moreover, Abbas is 83, in poor health and has no successor. Guess what is going to happen after he goes the way of all flesh.

Ubiquitin, I looked. More of the same economic illiteracy. More regs and higher taxes to strangle business. Just to give one example, raising the minimum wage creates unemployment (you can google this statement and get several articles) by pricing people who productivity is less out of the market. When NYC raised it, just to give one example, fast-food restaurants automated.

Ubiquitin, what about forcing people to change their religious beliefs (in particular to support toeva “weddings”), shutting up anybody who offends them (= anybody tro their right), appeasing Iran and other terrorists (in particular the Fakestinians) and bashing Israel?

Regarding your hilarious list:
1-2. How, pray tello? By fiat?
3. What are “fundamental rights”? Not being fired no matter what they do?
4. What does that mean? With whose money?
5-6. See #1-2
7. It’s already headed towards bankruptcy. They want to speed up the process?
8. What is dignified? I am retired and I think that my dignity requires me to live in a mansion with servants and have a private jet. LOL
9. The best thing to do is to let it die with dignity so that private industry can take over.

1. The Netziv closed the yeshiva because the Russian government wanted to severely limit Talmud studies.

2. The Gras aid that what one lacks in secular knowledge he will lack one hundred fold in Torah.

3. Home schooling requires an approved curriculum.

4. So be like the Amish. Don’t use electricity. Don’t drive cars. Farm using a horse.

Joseph, on the other hand talmidim in Pressburg earned an external baccalaureate in return for exemption from the draft as theological students. This stood the Orthodox in Hungary in good stead when a Pressburger was appointed Chief Rabbi. He spoke to Franz Josef in German whereas the head of the Neolog (Reform) spoke literary Hungarian, which annoyed the Emperor, who hated the Hungarian language he had to use there as part of the Dual Monarchy compromise. Rav Hirsch also insisted on a full program of secular studies (Torah im Derech Eretz). Both Rabbenu Bachya and the Gra say that one cannot be considered wise if he is not knowledgeable of the seven secular areas of wisdom (Logic, Mathematics, Ethics, Natural Science, Astronomy, Music, Theology). In order to function in a modern democracy one also needs a knowledge of the country’s history and political institutions. It goes without saying that one must be fluent in the language of the country (the Netziv, BTW, expressed regret at never having learned Russian and Rav Soloveitchik’s mother taught him Russian literature).

Takes, sorry, I didn’t catch your tone.

Takes, you seem to think that we are still living in the age of autonomous kehillot. There is no bet din outside of Israel that has the power or resources to make a full investigation. The experience of secular colleges shows that the best course is for those authorities who do have the power and resources and are bound by due process rules to handle the investigation. Of course, it would be even better if Torah Jews would join prosecution offices both to handle investigations themselves and to educate investigators and prosecutors regarding relevant Jewish cultural norms so that they do not confuse normal displays of affection for harassment.

I agree. Jewish journalism should be on a higher level. I am also sick of over-moderation. Disclosure: yesterday I posted a song about anti-vaxxers to the tune of “Dreidel, dreidel” and it was deleted.

Laskern,

1. The Behag paskens that the Torah requires us say Hallel on a day when the deliverance occurred but the other observances are rabbinic. If Jews in Chul do not observe an extra day of Rosh Chodesh, which is completely d’Oraita, they certainly will not in the future (if there are Jews in Chul after Mashiach comes). Actually even the second day of Yom Tov is actually a minhag being that we have a fixed calendar (Beitza 4b).

2. a. Who says it only applies if it comes later? b. Actually it was never a safek as the shlichim certainly reached Bavel by the 25th.

What about the Romaniote Jews? When a Sephardic Jew in Solonika was mistakenly included in their kehilla for tax purposes he wrote in his protest letter “יוונים נקבצו עלי”. They were so incensed they wanted to have him put in cherem but were told to lighten up.

BTW, there is also a group called Conservatives International.

Getting back to the O.P.’s question here are Russell Kirk’s Ten Conservative Principles:

First, the conservative believes that there exists an enduring moral order.
Second, the conservative adheres to custom, convention, and continuity.
Third, conservatives believe in what may be called the principle of prescription.
Fourth, conservatives are guided by their principle of prudence.
Fifth, conservatives pay attention to the principle of variety.
Sixth, conservatives are chastened by their principle of imperfectability.
Seventh, conservatives are persuaded that freedom and property are closely linked.
Eighth, conservatives uphold voluntary community, quite as they oppose involuntary collectivism.
Ninth, the conservative perceives the need for prudent restraints upon power and upon human passions.
Tenth, the thinking conservative understands that permanence and change must be recognized and reconciled in a vigorous society.