Ben Levi

I am sorry for what I stated about goyishe stores not accepting returns on sale items,I meant to write clearence items.

As for clearence what Wolfish states is basically correct, I have a relative who has a store and takes credit card on everything but not sale items since it cuts into increases the loss by to much.

Incidentally, I would posit that if more Jews would be makpid to purhase from Jewish stores then the profits would go up allowing stores to increase their profits and institute better return policies.

I personally have heard from Rav Yisroel BElsky shlita they are ossur and I believe that the Lakewood Poskim put out a Kol Koreh along those lines.

By the way the opinion of Rav Moshe zt’l on shabbos clocks is not “Mipi HaShmua”rather is written in Igros Moshe.

CharlieHall,

Would you bother giving a decent explanation as to how the constitutional clause allowing the Federal Government to regulate interstate commerce allows the Federal Government to force people to purchase insurance that is not allowed to be sold over state lines?

Don’t worry so far 13 Attorney Generals (including A DEM) it’s unconstitutional.

Hereorthere,

I do agree with you that it is impossible to be liberal and and a Torah Jew.

Many of the “problems” the liberals set out to do are made greater by them.

Example: Education

Those who believe in G-d understand that children are A gift from G-d and therefore must be raised properly.

For Torah Jews that means a Torah education.

Liberals decided to care for everyone and creat a “public school” something that is impossible for us to allow our children to attend.

However we must fund it.

What doeqa that mean we pay thousands of dollars in taxes and fight to get a drop back.

Cut the public school system free up the thousands of dollars, allow parents to raise their children. People will be able to pay tuition, Rabbeim will get decenent salaries and be able to affor HC ect..

In other words the interest of the modern day liberal democratic party are squarley at odds with those of G-d fearing Jews.

Charliehall,

If conservative governments enact liberal policies they remain liberal policies,

The duplicity of GOldman Sachs was simply that they allowed Greece to borrow money they did not enact the policy’s that required borrowing money.

France’s unemployment rate is low artificially because of the public sector, the public sector is unaffected at times of recession (as we see in the USA) as such the unemployment caused by the recession has less of an effect.

A better judge would be the acknowledgement that in good times France had an 8.5 % unemployment rate (roughly) when the USA was at 4% roughly.

As per Norway’s gross domestic product. I fully agree as I wrote before I wish the dem’s would allow us to use our Natural Resources as does Norway.

I would add congratulation to Obama on fulfilling his campaign promise to bring more Bipartisanship to Washington.

Look how admirably he’s pursued that goal.

HE created a Bipartisan coalition against the centerpieace of his agenda. Why even Massachusetts elected a Republican.

Welcome back Charlie,

FIrst off about the CBO score Congressman Paul Ryan is not calling the CBO “liars” he is simply stating the facts CBO must score bills based on what is put before them.

Hence we have the CBO scoring a bill which states that Medicare comp will be cut by an excess of 20%.

Reality?

COngress has already stated they will pass a seperate “DOc FIx” to eliminate those cuts (as they should or no Doctor will treat MEdicare patients).

The CBO is asked to score a bill based on Congress ebactings taxes years in the future. Will COngress do that? Fat chance considering the fact it does’tn take a rocket scientist to figure out what a 3% payroll tax will do for Jobs.

The Cbo is asked to score a bill based on 500 Billion dollars in fraud and waste being cut from Medicare.

Will it be cut?

Good Questiion, if it can why was’nt it till now?

Hence you arrive at the conclusion the former head of the CBO stated openly (NYT op-ed I believe) The CBO is the best at what they do neaning they score what you give them give trhem a fraudelent bill and you get a fraudelent result.

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I could not agree more, and guess what?

I just don’t do it the extra savings help pay tuition.

Please see the Gemara Brochos Daf Hey, Amed Aleph, concerning your question as it states openly that everything was given on Har Sinai.

There is some question as to what form it was given it whether it was the actual words or the Clalim (rules and principals) as seems to be the case from the Medrash in Shmos Rabbah.

The reason why these things are not taught in more specificity in school is probably because of the complexity as there many Gemora’s and Medroshim on the subject and it is something that does not allow for mistakes as a mistake can lead to Kefira please see the yud gimeel ikrim.

Jothar first off you forgot the Rambam from your list of “mainstream” Poskim as well as the fact the Aruch HaShulchan seems to understand that the Shulchan Aruch learns Lmase that one must get drunk ( Aruch HaShulchan Siman Tuf Reish TZadik Hey Siman Hey.

Regarding Chayei Adom, until the Mishna Berura came out chayei adom was cosidered the “Da’as Achron” the reason the Mishna Berura took its place is because it was more comprehensive as well as the indisputed status of the Chofetz Chaim as the Gadol HaDor.

As to what my Rabbeim held, Exactly what they did , One is required to get Drunk to the point of complete inebriation.

As an interesting aside it is noteworthy that the name of one of the senior Roshei Yeshivos in America is missing from the Kol Korei against drinkig beer, upon ivestigating the matter I was told that he held because in many Yeshivos including when he was a Bochur by Rav Aaron Bochrim drank whisky it was established as a Minhag Yeshivos “Kol Midi D’mishaker” ( in theory I would think the origins is of this would be because of the simple fact that in Europe they did not have wine, just speculating)consequently He did not feel Himself to be of a stature to sign against a minhag.

I questioned a close Chaver of this Rosh Yeshiva (and Odam Gadol in his own right) as to whether it was true and he told me I did not see it as I don;t read the papers and did not ask him but I could’ve told you he would not sign such a staatement The Frediker Gedolim saw many of us drinking whisky on Purim to be mekayim the Mitzva and never said anything he will not open his mouth where hi Rabbeim did’nt.

Again to say that Gedolai Oilam did not hold of getting Drunk is ridiculas to say that other Gedolei Olam did not hold of it is ridiculas as well.

Each person must follow his Mesorah, his rabbeim and again I would highly recommend Rabbi Yossi Rosenbergs article in this weeks Yated to all those who think drinking was never a part of Purim and the act initself is a Chilul Hashem.

I unfortunatley do not have the patience to write a detailed rebuttal of the “list” of “mainstream” Poskim quoted earlier. however I would suggest that one looks up the actual Sfas Emes instead of relying on the Piskei Teshuvos’s quote of it (as recomended in numerous haskomos on the Piskei Teshuvos, secondly I would point out that the interpetation of the Maharsha to the Gemora in bava Metzia clearly implies a chiyuv shikrus to the extent we need a gemora that is matir a tzurva m’rabanun to claim he was mekayim this shiur even though he did not. Thirdly I would reiterate what I have already mentioned before The shita of Rabeinu Ephraim is questioned by numerous achronim amoong them the Pri Chadosh and perhaps that is why it was never accepted.

Lastly I would reiterate specifically because there most definiteley were Gedolim who held not to get shikur each person must follow his mesorah. I chose to folllow that of the Gedolim and Rabbanim I followed all of whom got drunk to the point of “ad di lo yudah”, One specifically happens to be makpid only to drink from a becher on Purim since he is being mekayim a mitzva.

Jphone; Am i missing something I thought you wrote some members of that group were not Jewish I would assume if thats the case it was not “simchas purim” they had in mind as for the Jews if they were going around with non-jews i don’t think they had Simchas Purim in mind either.

Or you can hold with the Seder Hayom who writes one should bring himself to the point where he is rolling on the floor throwing up.

By the way I believe we pasken that if someone does not fulfill a mitzva then he there is a chilul Hashem involved. Meaning in everything there is potential chilul or kiddush Hashem just the degrees vary.

That is why there are shittos that if one does one of the gimmel chamuros b’ones he is only over chilul hashem but not the actual aveira, it is the tremendous chilul hashem that causes the chiyuv mesiras nefesh.

Basically my point is volvie is write.

I would add in my view it is an even greater Kiddush Hashem to drink nowadays and show that not all Jews views are dictated by outside influences.