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The part of underages not drinking on Purim is intewresting.
I would like to know if the age limit is lowered to 15 (as many propose) would it then be permitted Also is it permitted for those in countries with a lower age limit allowed to drink.
Taalmid lo Chacham,
The question on the Beis Ephraim is that if the Mas’e of zKum Rabah V’Shochtei L”rav Zeira was brought down to disprove the chiyuv of Ad Di Lo Yodah then why would is it the story ends off that the following year Rav Zeira stated he would not have the seuda with Rabah because of “lav Kol Yomah Israchish Nisah” he would not have needed a Nes since based upon the previos years events there was no lomger a chiyuv to Drink.
The Stiras in Rav Akiva Eiger you quoted could be ansewered simply that the mitzva on Purim is not neccassarily to get drink rather it is to get drunk hence Rav Akiva Eiger question if it is not a mitzva to Drink (i.e Simcha) then why only wine anythige that brings about shikrus should be used.
As an asided the Rambam seems to hold there is no chiyuv to get drunk at all rather the Gemora is saying that when one gets drunk they are potur from Drinking further.
I would add that There is a well known Senior Rosh Yeshiva who refused sign the letter against drinking beer on Purim because he stated that when he was a bochur the minhag in Yeshivos was that you can fulfill the mitzva with anything that gets one drunk and he is not big enough to sign against a minhag.
Howevr I do know that Rav Shmuel Berenbaum zt’l held that since beer is dangerous one should only drink wine.
I don’t have a gemora in front of me so forgive me if I mix up some the names of some shito but to the best of my knowledge the shita that says one should not get drunk is based on the Bais Ephraim which states the reason why the Gemora brings down the ma’ase of “Kum Rabah V’Shuchtei Lrav Zeira” after the psak of Adeh Lo Yudah is precisley to teach us the dangers of drinking and therefore Chazal retracted the Psak.
The obvios difficulty with the Bais Ephraim is that if so how come the year after the maseh of Rabuah and Rav Zeira Raboh wished to have a seuda again and Rav Zeira replied “Lav kul Yoma Israchish Nisa” according to the Beis Ephraim that states the purpose of that Aggadita was to show us that Ad Di Lo Yudah is not literal then there should have been no need for a Nes?
If I remember correctly the Pri Chodosh asks this on the Shitas Beis Ephraim.
Also Otzer Midrashim brings a fascinating Medrash recounting a story abour Rav Meir who gor drunk Purim Night (Rav Chaim Kanievsky in his Hagpoes on Otzer Midrashim states that it’s Rav Meir Gaon in that Medrash not Rav Meir the Tanna) from the wording of that Medrash it seems it was standard practice not just to drink on Purim Day rather on Purim Night as well.
A halachic basis for this would probably revolve depend on whether one holds that Drinking is a mitzva onto itself or rather it is a part of the seuda the Mashmoes of the Rambam is that it is a seperate mitzva and if so perhaps it would apply ny night as well but if one would hold it is a part of the seuda then it should only apply by day since there is no chiyuv seuda at night.
lakewoodwife – never tasted lachmagine…don’t even know how to pronounce it, but I’ve been looking for good freezable recipes, so I gave it a try. Definately interesting to my ashkenazic tastebuds, but my husband likes sfardi food, and he says they’re very good! thanks! Can you post some more easy recipes?
Mrs. Ben Levi
Thanks Mod-80 but it appears my comp is not salvagable.
Sorry haifagirl, I haven’t a clue about your issue!
When I turn on my desktop I get the following message.
Windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt:
Please re-install a copy of the above file.
Does anyone know what this is about, if I run the recovery cd’s will that solve the issue, and have I already lost all my data?
are the recipes in Aromas of Aleppo complicated?
Mrs. Ben Levi
Thanks for the ideas.
Smart Cookie I’m looking for both. Cabbage and noodles sounds good.
anonwriter – can you give recipes for quiche and ratatouille / zucchini and stuffed cabbage?
haifagirl – I currently freeze chicken soup, know any specific soup recipes that freeze well? When I tried mushroom barley, the mushrooms got all rubbery. Now I blend it first.
Also, any muffin recipes for breakfast on the go that freeze well?
How about the fact that out-of-town frum yidden are able to purchase affordable tzniusdike clothing only on the web. I don’t think that Wal-Mart carries snoods.
1) Look in Rashi, Rashi is specifically talking about other tragedy’s “Cach He Darko Shel Hakodosh Boruch Hu”
2)I do not know how explaining what to ansewer a Haitian child has anything to do with the Torah Hashkofa on this.
3)Actually I would not particularly care what a Cristian preacher says is the cause of the Holocaust.And whether I like it or not it is Rashi (as well as the Ran in Droshos) who stated the Torah Hashkofa to this event. It is not somethingone can ignorebecause”i would’nt like if a Cristian would say it”
4) Can you please explain which part of the Chazal that I need to understand better?
5) As for Hashems Teffilin, it’s actually a Gemora in Brochos and Hashems Teffilin are not the same as ours and I fail to see how you explain death (all death comes throught the Malach Hamuves)
6) Your statement about talking in shul was actually given as a cause for the Cossack MAssacres we have a specific Mi Sheberach recited in shul to this day specifically as a result of that.
7) Regarding the Holocaust far be it for me to make a statement about that. What I can say is that Rav Shmuel Berenbaum zt’l The Rosh Yeshiva Of Mirrer Yeshiva in Brooklyn who lost his entire extended family in the Holocaust told me personally. ” it was obvious to everyone it was a oinesh for the haskala, Germany is where the Haskala came from, We have a Tochecha we don’t think it’s real Hashem warned us what would happen” (the original statement was made in Yiddish and was part of an hours long discussion mostly about pre-war Europe)
8) As for your understanding of “Am Hanivchor” I would suggest you learn through Derech Hashem as the Ramchal explains it in detail. A hint would be if you would look at Tosfes in Kesubos Daf Gimmel amud Beis. “Afkeireh Rachmona L’zarei D’Mitzri”. Also llok up why a ger is considered “k’kuton shenolad
Vadim, There are 7.0 quakes that have very few casualties, wasn’t there just one of that type in California? It just so happened that this one took place in a desperatley poor country with no real building codes in place which led to thousands of buildings collapsing as a result.
I once heard from a Rosh Yeshiva that the real danger of newspapers is their ability to make everything “rational” hundreds of thousands of people die because of the laws of geology. One need not take a lesson from it it was just a “natural occurence”.
Rashi and other Rishonim may have taught us that when Hashem brings tragedy upon the nations it is expressly so that we should get the message. But with our enlighted indset our vast knowledge of geology and gravity(the source of which is unknown and purely speculated upon) are able to “explain” these events as mere natural occurances.
We complain when disaster strikes. We ask why it happened, what did we do to deserve it?
Do we ever stop and think?
The Mesilas Yeshorim writes that those who do not posses the ability to contemplate bring tragedy upon themselves. First Hashem sends a small message those who are wise get it. Those who are not then need a slightly stronger one and it goes on and on.
Perhaps if we wanted to end such tragedys we would do the obvious. Perhaps it is time to say we don’t need any more wake up calls.
After September 11th a prominent Rav said in public. “I am not a navi I can not say specifically what brought about this tragedy, However I do know that we need to learn from it and each of us needs to make a Cheshbon HaNefesh. We each need to figure out what each of us as individuals must improve upon”
Perhaps a Tragedy of such magnitutde requires that those of us who are Mavir Sedra with Rashi need to be mekabel “Yishmuo V’Yiruo” as Rashi in this very week writes and understand that tetonic plates only move when Hashem tells them to and if these particular ones did not move for over 200 years till now it is for a reason and it’s time we stopped kidding ourselves about it.
Perhaps one could add that those who think that no one would have felt bad if such a thing had happened in Nazi Germany don’t really know thier history. The American Airlift to save the quote on quote “innocent people” of Berlin from starvation right after the war is still considered to be one of the greatest “humanatarian” acts of the last century by non-jewish sources.
Look it up.
No Problem Mod, In fact thanks.
And yochi, The rabbis speech is pretty eloquent and heartfelt yet he doesn’t adress Rashi which also happens to be in this weeks Parsha.
As for the speech’s substance the comparison Hashem made to the Avos Hakedoshim was actually about Moshe Rabbeinu’s request “what is the name I should tell them” (paraphrasing). I would actually suggest that any one who would like to know More on that particular matter should learn through the end of last weeks Medrash Rabba and beginning of this weeks it’s actually quite interesting. Especially since Chazal do state why Hashem made the shibud worse at the end.
In brief it was in order to cause all the mitzrim to partake in the Jews suffering so that they could not claim “collective punishment” later on. Again learn through Medrash Rabba the end of Shmos.
i would just like to clarify when I wrote it is quite “appropo” I was refering to the question not the tragedy.
Dear Pashuteh Yid,
I presume from the context of your coment that when you describe your views on Religion you are including “Judaisim” in it. Therefore I must correct you. The Ramchal in Derech Hashem explains in great detail the purpose of Judaisim and it is not what you wrote.
Furthermore according to one pshat in Chazal in Mesechta Brochos it is impossible for humankind to ever truly know why the “good” suffer.
In answer to your question of Haiti, that question is actually quite appropo as Rashi in this weeks Parsha (Perek Zayin Pasuk Gimel) states quite clearly that the derech of Hakodosh Boruch Hu is ” Mavie Poruneus al HaUmos K’DeiSheyishmuo YisroelV’Yiruo.
As such it would seem that from a tragedy of such immense proportions Klal Yisroel sould indeed shudder and make a true Cheshbon Hanefesh.
The main difference in Halacha between Libo gas Bo and no loibo Gas Bo is the Heter of Baloh Bir.
Normally if a womans husband is in the same city as her and can arrive home at any time there is no issur yichud with her, however if a man is “libo Gas Bo” with her then the issur Yichud would apply.
In addition according to many Poskin including the Beis Shmuel and Chelkas Mechokek if in a case of Libo Gas Bo there is no heter of “pesah Pasuach L’reshus Harabim” a door open towards a public area.
Please be aware that what I have written above is only a very brief synopsis of some very pertinent halachos for any women working in an office or any one with a cleaning lady and other common cases. In any particular situation one must consult a Rav who is versed in Hilchos Yichud.
As for group setting that is a very complex topic and the halachos for ashkenazim and sephardim would differ somewhat and is truly beyond the scope of this forum.
Just-a-Guy, halachically two first cousins are permitted to marry each other, hence they have all the regular Dinei Rrvah and then some. Even HaEzer Siman chuf-beis states that relatives have the din of “Libo Gas Bo”, meaning there are some hateiri of Yichud that while applicable in most cases are not applicable in theirs.
However the Rashbam in bava Basra states that if one passes a place of pritzus even if he looks away he still is considered a rasha.
Miminumwage and child labor laws are great.
You have an epidemic of juvenile crime with youngsters who are not of the “book learning” type.
Instead of them being able to work and gain a valubale sense of self worth, contribute to their families finances, gain valubuable carrer expierience,they roa the streets and commit crime?
What happens after they get caught.
Their sent to juvenile prisons where they are rehabilited through work and job training which are largely useless because they have already gotten used to a life of crime.
Charliehall it’s interesting that you sign off without really addressing any issues.
To require all to pay for everyone is actually immoral, the way the mishna in Avos describes it is “One who says yours is mine and mine is yours is an am haaretz” (from memory but I think it’s accurate. To explain the Mishna is beyond the scope of this post.
You state that Medicare funds everybody that Insurance is not willing to.
Let e get that we will add thirty million to a system pay for more treatments then everyone who currently has insurance pays for and still cut costs massivley.
I think Walter Mondale said it best, When he left politics he bought a motel which subsequently went bankrupt upon which he said “if I had know then what I know now about buisness I would have voted differently”.
To cap it all off you seem to wax eloquent about Medicaid (A government Health Insurance) yet state this Bill is not about Government Health Insurance. Is so why bring up Medicaid.
Sorry, I did not reply earlier but I was by the Dentist, No I do not have Dental.
CharlieHall, to address your statement on health care.
You assert that it is mathamatically impossible to insure all Americans privatley.If that is so how can the Government do it
Well youwill assert by cutting costs?
Well which costs? Cutting comensation to Doctors so the best and brightest do not decide to enter the field?
Perhaps not,Perhaps it’sby cuttin 500 billion from Medicare wich will somehow be done without affecting the quality of care.
As to the point about Sodom.
In actuality the issue with Sodom was that one size fits all they cut shory people and long people to all fit one sized bed.
Sounds a lot like One Size fits all Socialism to me.
“Some people are dying due to lack of access to health care”
Actually as has been pointed out numerous timesemergency rooms are obligated to treat all people immiedietly upon arrival.
I would assert that many people would die if Government Health Care is implemented.
Regarding your point of needing Health Care.
First of all whether ot not it is needed it is constitutianally questionable if the government has the write to force someone to do anything. (Don’y bring in Car Insurance because it is precisley for that reason the govvernment can only require Liabilty and not Collision).
In addition teenagers and young adults often do nbot need health care period.
Welcome Back I look forward to reading your response.
In regard to Dr. Tendlers shiur on health care, in the shiur you posted he uses the same chiyuv of hashavas aveida to justify a halachic basis for health insurance. I suggest you read it again if you are unaware of that. (I might add that it is an assertion that is patently ridiculus).
Regarding Meziza B’Peh. Tosuggest I would consider abolishing it because of Dr. Tendlers writing is to suggest the absurd. To suggest it puts childrens lives at risk when it is done to thousands upon thousands of children each year with no adverse side effects is even more absurd.
Let me be clear Meziza B;Peh has been demonstated to be an itrinsic part of the Bris milah ceremony by those who are far more knowledgebale then me those include Rav Yisroel Belsky shlita, Rav Feivel Cohen shlita, Rav Hillel David shlita, and Rav Lazer Ginsburg shlita any of these eminent Rabbonim and Poskim (Rav Feivel Cohen Badei HaShulchan is one of the basic texts used by those studying for semmicha today, Rav Lazer Ginsburg has written a Two Volume magnum Opus on Bris Milah entiteled LBris Habate)would take issue with your assertian regarding Dr. Tendler.
CharlieHall, Where did you go?
charliehall, one is not required to be a talmid chochom nor a rabbi to understand that it is a strin at best to try and say that the mitzva of Hshovas Aveida require Government Helth care.
As to why No one replied to Dr. Tendler, well in many Halachic circles he is not taken seriously especially since he tried to abolish metzizah bpeh.
Also CharlieHall, I would appreciate if you would ddress the points I made about the need to enble responsible lawsuits to be brought.
First off charliehall. the Company may be real but have you ever tried getting the Car Insurance quote you recieved in the mail? The quote is not the same as the policy you recieve in actuality after giving them all the variables involved.
As to the fact that people going into medicine are doing it for the wrong reasons. What do I care? All I want is that the most talented and qualified physician possible is the one treating me when I need it. That is something that seldom happens in countries with government run health care.
As for the fact the same hospitals in Mexico are treating Mexicans andd Tourists. Yes it’s true but the dedication to the tourists and qulity of care they recieve is vstly different.
By the way regarding the original comment you made about Rbbi Tendler’s view of the obligtion for government run health care. On a different thread you already posted the entire lecture and I gave a point by point rebuttal to the entire thing you hve yet to respond.
I would also appreciate if you would explin if there exists such a chiyuv perhaps you would explin why when the Jewish Ntion was under there own sovergeinty a period of well over a thousand yers and expieriencing incredible wealth (at times) there was no such system put in place.
Regarding the issue of malpraactice read my post again, I clearly stated that they have to be controlled however in countries which have socilized medicine so in effect the Doctors are government employees they are not just controlled bu effectivley eliminated (as you rightly stated)leading to the vast amount of under qualified Doctors that exist in those countries.
Charliehall I have verified the fact that yes the OBGYN’s were telling me the truth.
As for the matter of specialties the reason why so many Doctors go into specialties is because it is much more lucrative (as it should be due to the more intense schooling)
It’sinteresting to note that you completley sidestepped the point I wrote about Mexico that being the medical treatment that tourists recieve there is by and large not availible for the general population, if you want to read over my point in greater detail you are welcometo go back and read my original post.
CharlieHall the number quoted by me was the actual number told to me by OBGYn, I would assume one of the differences is there practices (as in most cases) had multiple physicians resulting in increased patient capacity and increased risk btring up the cost.
In addition even if the number you quoted would be correct add rent, workplace insurance, cost of a secratary, physician assistant, and taxes and you can easily see why health care is so expensive.
As to Medical Care, the care that those in Texas recieve in Mexico is unavailible to the vast majority of Mexico citizens they are private not public doctors(this might be one of the reasons why the Mexican population is gradually relocating to the U.S)
As to malpractice why should it be impossible to sue a doctor? If one cannot sue there is nothing to weed out bad Doctors from the system, which is precisley the problem in Canada and other country’s with socilized medicine the amount of “bad doctors” is staggering.
Of course if the Government pays the bills since they write the laws as well they will limit lawsuits (again one of the problems with socilized medicine)
What does make sense is that lawsuits should be capped and there should be protections in place for honest to goodness mistakes that occurred through no fault of the Doctor.
With all due respect you left out some facts, It is true that a growing number of Americans go overeas for medical care.
The cost of treatment in America is prohibitive so it is becoming well worth it for insurance companies to pay someones travel expenses to have an operation overseas rather then here.
It is also becoming well worth it for Doctors to operate overseas where they can charge less money and take home more then here.
The cost of doing buisness for a Doctor in the U.S is enormous a typical OBGYN in N>Y must pay out 1 MILLION dollars a year in malpractice insurance!
Hence an increasing number of good doctors are choosing to operate overseas and treat American patients there.
CharlieHall when I know of countless Jewish organazation that are dedicated to ensuring that not just money but also lack of knowledge never stand in the way aspersons health.
If such organizations do not exist in the secular world then perhaps all those clamoring to destroy the current system should dedicate themselves to starting such organazations for the betterment of mankind?
Regarding current rationing, It is currently not illegal for someone to be provided with proper healthcare even if they are nintey years old it may be expensive bur it is possible. Those of us who have the proper appreciation of life can ensure healthcare is provided for one and all.
If the government takes over health care that will no longer be the case 9ex. England)which is real Pikuach Nefesh.
As for the quality of care, some of the brightest people went into medicine because it assured them of a comfortable living turning them into another government buracract will ensure they join Wall Street.
What about those of us that follow shitas HaGra and have the mezuza straight?
CharleieHall are you serious?
Practically every country that has “socialized medicine” does prctice rationing this is a fact not an opinion. The end-of-life issues that rise up in countries such as England are frequent and troublesome ask any English Posek who deals with such issues.
When one bears in mind that many of those who are running the medical agenda for the Democrats have spoken openly about rationing car (i.e Tom Daschle’s book) it takes an incredible amount of willing denial to not realize the dangers of placing matters of Pikauach Nefesh in the hands of those whose very belief in G-d is questionable.
Charliehall, it’s not to see that that you still stick to your guns in supporting the health care bil. However you still have failed to address the many problems of the bill including but not limited to end-of life care and health rationing.
It is critical to that one realizes that this bill potentialy opens the door to severe halachic issues many involving issues of Pikuach Nefesh.
what does David Pelcovits mean “it may not be observence in completley the way we like to think about it”, the last I checked there is only one type of “observence’.
Also those who would like to compare David Pelcovits remarks with the letter by Rav Aaron Feldman shlita are urged to obtain a copy of Rav Feldman’s book Eye of the Storm in which states his views on the matter.
Feif Un, I live in Lakewood and to the best of my knowledge the majority of Rabbonim called for the oilam to vote for Cristie this includes but is not limited to Rav Shmuel Meir Katz, Rav Forsheimer, Rav Osher Chaim Lieberman,Rav Aaron Zuckerman and Rav Simcha Bunim Chohen. While there were organizations that endorsed Corzine it is noteworthy that the Igud HaMosdos endored Cristie I was told this was a result of a conference call they had with Rav Yosef Rosenblum shlita.
Those who ask that we give sympathy to those who wish to legitimize Toeiva are dur to the fact that its a nisoyon are invited to look once again at the story of Dina and Shechem.
Rashi says clearly that what magnified the tragedy of Shechem was the simple fact that from the time of the mabul there had never beeen such a thing done.
In the history of Mankind there has been the nusoyon of Toeiva the biggest proof of this is the fact that there is an issur to engage in such behavior if there had been no nisoyon there would be know issur (alternativley the fact it is assur would create a nisoyon) yet at no time has there ever been a public discussion of it.
(Those who say there has been are asked to kindly state there sources)
It does not take a rocket scientist to understand why some things are kept hidden, publicizing something inherently legitimzes it.
Publicizing Toeiva gives a legitimacy on whatever level to the sole thing the Torah saw fit to call an abomination, it would seem obvious then that those who see fit to publicize it would ask Da’as Torah if it is permitted, if the gains they claim would come from such “discussions” outway the losses,
I would ask if those who had such a gathering did so L’shem Shomayim, if in truth they recognize the severity of what they have done then can they produce the Da’as Torah that allowed it? Can they produce the Da’as Torah that stated it is necessaty to do that which we have no mesorah for what so ever?
If the ansewer is they cannot produce the Da’as Torah then it shows they in fact do not comprehen the severity of what they discuss.It shows they have not done what they did as L’Shem Shomayim rather it was done because that is what pshycologists feel should be done.
Woe is to us who would toplerate turning our backs on the Torah in favor of a science brought to the fore by complete Kofrim (fread and co) Rav Gifter’s words remain relevant years later.
Bomb maniac did you mean to say “no reason” have you forgotten Monsey?
It seems to me that Rav Mordechai Gifter has been proven right once again
omis1105 beutifully said, however I would like to correct one small point.
The general rule is that a toeiva partnership cannot properly raise a child this is a fact. For numerous reasons it is crucial to a childs development that he have the combination of a mother and father, not two mothers or two fathers.
And to ansewer the obvious question , No a man cannot properly asssume the role of a women just as a women cannot assume the role of a man (incidentally this is one of the grave errors in the feminist movement and is a leading cause of the breakdown of the modern family unit, but thats a different topic).
Yes of course I am sure there are isolated exceptions just as there are exceptions to every rule.
The thing we must realize is that the Torah is the blueprint of the world, the world is created from the words of the Torah (as explained by Rashi in Parshas Bereshis) and therefore the world can only run normally as long as it follows the laws of the Torah.
Of course its amazing, that’s why it’s so dangerous
It seems to me that we are constantly hearing from people on the left that we must “get with the time”. How in this age it is impossible to shield ourselves from the culture surrounding us.
In fact we have heard that attempting to hield our homes may not be good instead we should teach our children about the world around them and how to deal with it.
Well if that the case then do we really want to raise our children in a society that condones toeiva and teaches that those who are against it are racist?
If we understand that we must raise our children in the environment around us then we must understand that we have an obligation to fight to preserve that environment in any way we can.
If we do not have the moral clarity now to understand what is wrong with allowing such an open toeva to go on in our midst, then how will we have the moral clarity to teach our children the eternal truth of the Torah?
Dear Best Bubby,
If you really want to be the best bubby, take the St. Moritz and get rid of it!December 15, 2009 3:04 am at 3:04 am in reply to: Children and Prizes–Hindering Intrinsic Self Worth #669850
Bombmaniac you have indeed made yourself clear however you’ve neglected to define what exactly self-esteem is.
Yes, the balance you have spoken of is necassary and if you define self worth the way I originally defined it then you have that balance.
Self worth means that one realizes his immense capabilities and the fact that he was created for a purpose, a purpose that that individual alone can fulfill. If someone has that realization he automatically is intrinsically aware that he is not worthless, far be it he is in a sense “invaluable” for there is no one like him.
At the same time one who is equipped with a proper sense of self worth cannot possibly think that he is perfect for he is only to well aware of the immense responsibilities that lie upon him, for he must do what no one else can.
It is this concept of self worth that is embodied in the words “Bshvili N’Vra H’Aolam” and one who fully understands this concept can begin to understand the immense value that a Jew places on human life.
On the other hand self esteem teaches one that his individual value is not connected to anything whatsoever and as such inherently teaches one that he has the right to be conceieted for by his very nature he is perfect or close to it.
From my understanding it is for this reason that we Rav wolbe was so forceful in his denounciation of “Bitachon Atzmi”.
In light of this I would beg to ask that instead of speaking in generalities perhaps you can define specifically in your mind what is self-esteem, why is it important and where in Chazal is there a source for it?December 14, 2009 11:42 pm at 11:42 pm in reply to: Children and Prizes–Hindering Intrinsic Self Worth #669848
Bombmaniac, thanks for the clarification,
The self-esteem that you speak of is it dependent upon one’s actions?
Meaning if one does no good what so ever should he have the same self- esteem as one who does do what’s right?
If your answer is that it is linked to one’s actions that the quastion is if one who does no good should have no self esteem, how will he ever get out of the rut so to speak? According to what youve written there is no way for a person with a lack of self esteem will have no reason to do good.
On the other hand if someone who does no good should still have a healthy level of “self esteem” then considering the fact that you define self esteem as healthy level of respect for oneself then why should he ever do good, he respects himself, and therefore finds himself worthy of respect regardless?December 14, 2009 9:43 pm at 9:43 pm in reply to: Children and Prizes–Hindering Intrinsic Self Worth #669846
You stated that self-esteem is a felling of “pride” in yourself but did not explain pride for what,
Yo stated that self worth gives you a feeling that you can gain respect from others without detailing how,
Lastly you stated that self esteem without self worth leads to one feeling conceited without explaining why.
You stated that without self esteem you will never feel worthy of someone elses respet even though you stated it is self-worth which gives you an understanding that you can get other peoples respect and failed to explain how that makes sense.December 14, 2009 8:15 pm at 8:15 pm in reply to: Children and Prizes–Hindering Intrinsic Self Worth #669844
Bombmaniac I fail to understand how you anwered the specific issues I raised perhaps you can attempt to answer them directly.
And positivenayim I fail to understand where you picked up the notion that self-esteem is interwined with emunah, especially considering the fact that when Rav Shlomo Wolbe discusses the concept of self esteem he points out that the only intrinsic “bitachon” (the hebrew word for self esteem is “bitachon atzmi”) he knows of with a source in the Torah is bitachon in Hakodosh Boruch Hu.
Again I would urge all those interested in this issue to take a look at Rav Wolbe’s lenthly letter on the topic which is printed in the kuntrus of his letters published in honor of his shloshim.
Anon it is quite different to have issues when the hospital in truth must treat a person which is now the case, as to end-of-life issues when the hospital is legally prohibited from treating a person, which may very well be the case if the government is in charge of health care.December 14, 2009 3:45 pm at 3:45 pm in reply to: Children and Prizes–Hindering Intrinsic Self Worth #669839
Bombmaniac, you ask not to bash self esteem and self worth but fail to define any distinctions between the two.
In addition I raised specific concerns with “self esteem” the question is if you disagree with what I wrote why will you noy address the specific charges.