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For Orthodox Jew the Trump Presidency will go down in History as one of the most beneficial.
– He appointed hundreds of Judges who are sympathetic to causes of religious freedom.
– He aggressively pursued policies in support of private schools.
– He brought about peace agreements in the Mideast that changed the regional dynamic, saving much Jewish blood.Whether or not he runs again I would hope and pray the Republican party continues in his path.
It is my humble opinion that a close reading of Jewish History shows that we have usually tried to keep a veneer of impartiality in domestic politics in whatever our host country in Golus happens to be.
However I find it difficult to see how that continues in the United States. The modern day Democrat party has made clear it vies religion as the enemy and people who attempt to live their lives according to their religion as backward.
This would not be so terrible if they would adhere to the time honored American tradition of “live and let live” however they have made clear that they wish to use the Political & Judicial system to attempt to enforce their War on G-D upon us.
-They continue to obligate a typical Jewish family to pay thousands upon thousands of dollars in “taxes” that they can ill afford to support a school system that teaches children beliefs that are the antithesis of the Torah, then under the guise of separation of church and religion they are attempting to ensure that Jewish Private schools have no access to the government money that is a result of taxation of the Jewish population unless we are willing to teach curriculum that is incompatible with a Torah life.
-They continue to attempt to ensure that only those who follow the Moses Mendelssohn & Abraham Geiger model of being a Jew at home and non-jew outside model are allowed to earn a living. In order to have a catering business, bakery, florist or other legitimate business they are attempting to force one to provide services that the Torah outright forbids.
– Whether or not one is a Zionist ( I personally am vehemently not) the facts are the that millions of Acheinu Bnei Yisroel live in Israel and their lives are put at risk by the foreign policy decisions that increasingly becoming in vogue in the Democratic party.
Based on the above it remains to be seen if the Orthodox Jewish community can attempt to remain with a veneer of neutrality in American politics or we will be forced to become political activists to fight for our ability to maintain a Torah life in Golus America.
@emes nisht sheker
I am unsure why I am required to produce evidence nor why you feel it should be presented to you.Last I checked, there are several lawsuits currently being litigated. The President has lost several already, he has also won.
Should the courts decide he has no legal recourse he has indicated he will follow the court decisions.
As a matter of “emes nisht sheker”, until the election is certified Biden did not legally “win”.
That is a simple fact.
( I will admit I personally feel that Biden will be the eventual winner, however I am growing more and more suspicious of the election primarily by the increasing hysteria from the left wing towards anything that even comes close to actual scrutiny of how the votes were tabulated. The more the left protests any attempts at transparency, the more suspicions I get that they are afraid of that transparency)
CTLAWyer
I am glad that I was able to clarify things for you.
Regarding Turley.
He was not saying no allegations “will” be made he was saying what they are currently alleging.
At the proper stage of the process, they can be made.
Actually from all the options out there it seems as Max Rose is a pretty good one.
Honestly
I do not think Trump is going to win in Court.The issue is pretty simple even if there was fraud, it has to be provable in a Court of Law.
Many types of fraud are simply un-provable.
If say 25,000 ballots came marked only for BIden it may seem suspicious.
Does it prove fraud.
But I really do not get why the Dems are all in a tizzy.
If all the lawsuits are so meritless.
Then let Trump run out the process.
Whats the big deal?
It can only help.
the facts are millions of American rightly or wrongly believe this election was stolen from them.
So lay out the allegations in Public. In full view of everyone. If they are wrong the Judges will rule accordingly and millions of peoples confidence in the election process will be restored.
Actually CTL
You did misconstrue what I posted.Of course the lawsuits are not about media projections of the winner.
The media projections mean absolutely zero.
Until the States certify the results there is no legally projected winner.
I think you would acknowledge Jonathan Turley as being knowledgeable in law?
He is also a Democrat, but he actually is evenhanded.
And he explained in detail that of course there is no direct allegation of fraud. They are first alleging that the ballots were incorrectly accepted and they could not see them.
As for the networks projecting wrongly.
If the Projection was based on a total that included illegal votes (enough to make a difference) then it is a wrong projection.
The person with the most legal votes is the legal winner of the election.
No one is suing to “overturn” the results of the election.
They are suing to determine the accurate legal results in a legal court of law.
Can we get basic facts clear?
Right now Joe Biden is simply the projected winner by the big corporate networks.
Legally he has not been certified as such.
That is Fact 1
In addition Trump is contesting the election in court, if he wins he is not “overturning” any results. Rather the courts are ruling that the networks projected the wrong results based on fraudulent ballots.
The above are facts.
Somehow the mainstream media has decided that it is undermining democracy to pursue a case in Court.
Curiously when Hilary Clinton advised Joe Biden to do precisely that in the event he was the projected loser the mainstream media was silent.
If only the Dems would have shown that same grace towards Trump.
Actually the way the system was designed to work is that very little power was concentrated in the Federal Government.
Most was concentrated in the States as such the Federal Government was purposely designed in way that a degree of consensus between minority & majority had to be agreed upon for a NATIONAL law to be passed.
If there was no consensus the individual State governed as they please.
For example purposes take abortion.
The conservative “argument” is not that the Federal government should ban it.
Originalists agree there is no part of the US Constitution that does so.
They argue that there is equally nothing that allows the Federal government to force States to allow it as such let the States decide.
So California which believes it’s correct can permit it.
Oklahoma which believes it’s wrong can ban it.
And we all get along because we do not force any one State to live according to another.
Just as an aside
You can say “Crazy Rudy” from today till tomorrow.
However when it comes to lawyers there are few that have the credentials of Rudy Giuliani.
He is widely considered to have been the driving force behind the take down of organized crime in New York.
He is considered one of the most effective Federal Prosecutors of his era.
GD
You are factually incorrect.
Pure Democracy is a relativity recent invention and it is not common place throughout the world.In addition the United States of America is not a pure democracy rather it a Republic of States.
The reason being was the Founders of this country feared what they called the “tyranny of the majority”.In other words they feared that the majority would seek to force the minority to live on their terms.
As such the prescribed limited government where the true power lies not with the Federal Government rather with the states.
It’s mind-boggling to me.
How Frum Jews look at a two non-jewish people.Both are confirmed liars.
Both are have documented problems with taavos nushim
One is pro-morality that explictly rejects G-d.
The other embraces G-d
And because the NYT run by assimilated Jews decides that the who who is explicitly anti morality is more “moral”, decide the NYT is correct.
Personally I have a rule of thumb.
One the ethicist of CNN & the NYT declare something is “morally” superior it means than it is usually morally repugnant.
Reb Eliezer
it’s interesting how you think anti-lockdown policies contribute to poverty.The WHO actually thinks lockdowns are the cuase of poverty so we have Reb Eliezer vs the WHO.
If we had an option where one candidate had a sterling character while another was good on policy I could understand the relevance of the question.
However we have two candidates lacking in character.
Trump brags to much, has issues with women, and stretches the truth.
Biden is a serial liar throughout his career, has documented issues with women, has seemingly, according to a series of emails whose authenticity he has not even tried to deny, been willing to sell out his country for money, and promotes policies that destroy any semblance of morality.
So we have one candidate with a terrible character and equally terrible policies backed by terrible policymakers (Sanders, Pelosi, Shumer, etcc.)
Another with a bad personal character who has good policies.
Whats the question?
I strive to be a Jew whose moral outlook on life is shaped by the Torah.
As such I view Biden who is openly and proudly of the opinion that the morality of the Torah is immoral ch”v and would seek to implement policies encouraging people to live a life in contrary to the Torah as a candidate who is deeply immoral.
So I have voted Trump.
Red Eliezer
Dr. Risch has given numerous interviews laying out the proof.If you wish you can find them and listen to them as I have.
CharlieHall
Please stop being a science denier.Dr Risch of Yale University an epidemiologist states that it the proof it works is the most definitive he has ever seen.
According to Charlie the following is true
Unless you vote for a canidate that
is
a) Pro-choice
b) Pro placing judges on the bench who would force a Jewish owned caterer to cater a function whose sole purpose is the celebration of ceremonies opposed to the Torah.
c) Who has threatened Israel by stating that unless they do what the USA wants then all aid is cut off.
You are an assimilated Jew without Torah Values.
But if you vote for the candidate the assimilated Jews of the NY Times endorse then you are being pro Torah values, not ch’v pro NY TIMES values.
(Amazing how NY Times liberal values line up with authentic Torah values)
Charlie
Please refrain from engaging in the same top of lies as Biden.
The very next things out of Trumps mouths were “I am not talking about the KKK or white supremacists, they should be condemned totally”.
It is interesting that you choose to engage in something that is a blatant lie and yet accuse Trump if being the liar.
I am just curious about something,
CharlieHall.
You claim to be an objective scientist.You claim to put saving lives ahead of politics
Dr. Harvey Risch has a M.D from UC San Diego & a Ph.D. from U of Chicago.
He is a Professor of epidemiology at Yale University.
He is a n unquestioned expert in his field and anyone who holds that post at Yale is considered to be at the top of their field.
He claims that Hydroxy works.
He disputes Fauci.
He claims that Fauci & the disinformation campaign against Hydroxy has killed thousands.
Dr. Risch claims that the science that the Zelenko protocol helps high risk patients if given early is “one sided and the strongest he has ever seen” and government scientists & media are deliberately pushing studies that study hospitalized patients ot low risk which no one is claiming Hydroxy helps.
Is Dr. Risch also wrong and dangerous?
To say HCQ proved a complete bust is a complete untruth.
Most of the studies that did not show any effects were in cases where proponents of HCQ had already stated it was no longer effective.
As as scientist yourself I would think you have the intellectual honesty to admit that at best you can say results are inconclusive and most objective scientists state there is a need for further study ( I point you to an article in Nature Magazine on July 8 co-authored by Dr. Erwei Sun, Dr. Yufing Shi, Dr. Ernesto Carofoli, Dr Gerry Melino, Arnold Rabson, Patrizia Agostonis, Ying Wang, Xing Li)
Actually Charlie,
He banned all travel from China,
What he allowed was repatriation and US Citizens.
Banning US Citizens or Permanent Residents from returning home would have been near impossible.But here we have an action which virtually everyone agrees saved thousands of lives and yet you call it xenophobic.
Regarding Kuldorffs qualifications
Martin Kulldorff, PhD, weighs in. Dr. Kulldorff also presents a balanced picture of where Sweden made mistakes in their response.From ContagionLive
Kulldorff is a biostatistician in the Division of Pharmacoepidemiology and Pharmacoeconomics at the Brigham and Women’s Hospital + Harvard Medical School. He has long been working in infectious disease outbreaks, detection of new disease outbreaks, and developing novel epidemiological methods.
He has developed new sequential statistical methods for near real-time post-market drug and vaccine safety surveillance, where the purpose is to use weekly, monthly or other frequent data feeds to find potential safety problems as soon as possible.
Regarding Sweden
According to that bastion of Conservatisim know as the NY TIMES in an article back on the Sep 29
The following was stated
a) The Death Rate in Sweden without a lockdown was comparable to the United States with a lockdown.b) The new cases run in the middle of the pack.
And I Qoute
“Today, all of the European countries are more or less following the Swedish model, combined with the testing, tracing and quarantine procedures the Germans have introduced, but none will admit it,” said Antoine Flahault, director of the Institute of Global Health, in Geneva. “Instead, they made a caricature out of the Swedish strategy. Almost everyone has called it inhumane and a failure.”
CharlieHall
There are 3 major names you qoute and disagree with one.
There are over 2000 public health scientists and medical practitioners who agree.
How does publicizing it in the NY POST make it any less true?
No
What I said was I hop that Trump has learnt to question Fauci’s views
And I may disagree with them now since he will disagree with them in a month.That is not the same as refusing to take advice.
Advice means you question, you hear, and you consider that persons view/opinion on any given subject.
Taking it means you agree with it.
Ex.
When Trump was considering a travel Ban on China he sought out advice from many people.Fauci gave the advice not to do it. He thought it was to early.
Trump listened to his advice but decided to reject it and placed a Ban either way.
In hindsight Fauci has stated Trump saved thousands of lives.
se2015
I see that you seem to have misunderstood what I wrote.
The entire Medrash that you quote is found in Pirkei D’Rabi Eliezer Perek Yud Beis (Chapter Twelve) towards the beginning.
It states the following ( I am translating to the best of my abilities)
“And G-d took the man and placed him in Eden L’uvda U’lshamra, To work and to watch it, And what work was there in the Garden that it states To work and to keep?
Perhaps you will say he had to plow the fields or tend the vines or cut?
But we know all the plants sprouted by themselves!
Perhaps you will say that there was work in the Garden of Eden to water the garden?
But was there not a river that went out of Eden, as it says And a river went from Eden?
Only what does it mean To toil in Torah and to watch the Derech Eitz Chaim “The way of the Living Tree” and there is no living tree other than Torah as it says “A living Tree for those that Grasp on to it”.
So you it is not a “commentator”, the very Medrash that you quote continues on to state categorically that it is impossible to mean what you are saying it means.
You are welcome to look up the original source your self
CharlieHall
I ask you again
a) Dr. Sunetra Gupta, an epidemiologist at Oxford University
b) Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University
c) Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, a physician and epidemiologist at Stanford University
in a detailed public letter co-sgned with 2000 Public health scientists & health practitioners.state that the data proves
“Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short- and long-term public health”“Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed”.
In other words the current lockdowns
are literally killing people.as such allowing them to be implemented is a matter of Pikuach Nefesh.
Why are you not protesting Cuomo literally endangering lives.
Why are you not protesting De Blasio putting in place policies that some of the most pre-eminent names in their field say are dangerous?
Reb Eliezer,
When exactly did I say I do not advice from Fauci?And if I do not take advice from Fauci, Why does that mean I take advice from Trump?
I actually have Doctors, In my case becuase of ongoing monitoring that I am required to hav I actually have several Doctors.
None of whom agree with lockdowns.
Again what these thousand of Doctos & Scientists are saying is that the Data has proven lockdown are not simply bad policy.
They Are Dangerous.
They Are Killing people.
They Are harming people.
So Coumo, De Blasio, Whitmer Murphy and Other Dem politicians are forcing policies that are proven killers.
CharlieHall
a) So you are taking the position that the Democrat party is pro same gender marriage but against that act?
b) Again Trump is a non-Jew, but if for arguments sake you would treat him as a Jew. There is no Conclusive evidence in the form of witnesses who have testified in front of a Court of law and been verified. In addition he has gone to great lengths to keep his business affairs private. As such Believing them is a form of accepting is accepting Motzi Shem Ra and spreading them constitutes spreading Motzi Shem Ra.
(Again this is as opposed to Clinton who actually admitted to his wrongdoing in Court)
c) The Republican Stance is that Federal Courts have no right to decide these matters, it is for the States.
How exactly is that problematic for Jews?
I do not really know your point
Correct, Any Yeshiva Bochur knows that because it’s quoted in half the shmuessen on Bereshis, and Chazal explain that as going on Torah & Mitzvos.As for picking and choosing Chazal.
You are aware that a pretty big difference between Orthodox Judaism & other streams?
If that is the way good scientits work then here goes
On Oct. 4, 2020, three preeminent experts — Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University; Dr. Sunetra Gupta, an epidemiologist at Oxford University; and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, a physician and epidemiologist at Stanford University
They state the followinga) Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short- and long-term public health.
b) Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.
c) Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young, low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.
The entire article was published in the NYPOSt a postscript states
Since the declaration was published, more than 2,000 public-health scientists and more than 2,000 medical practitioners have signed it,
Since this article has been published I am eager for the bashing of Dem for keeping lockdowns in place to begin.
Regarding deductions.
You obviously have zero idea of how business finances & taxes work.
And regarding “dubious expenses”
Again I understand you are a salaried employee, again do you have any idea how a business works?
Reb Eliezer,
I understand that you some how have this feeling that Trump can “protect you” from being infected.
I do not and never did.
I take normal sane measures of hishtadlus and trust in Hashem.
Years back I was a young father with no pre-existing conditions and I came down with one of the most rare illnesses there are.
Doctors actually gave up on me to a degree.
I recovered B”h.
And the Doctors admitted that the way I recovered happens at times even though it’s still taught as medically impossible.
I blamed no one then for me getting sick and Thanked Hashem for giving me a second chance.
I feel bad that you somehow think “trump” can stop you from being infected.
Charliehall.
a) Sorry to disapoint but the dinim of motzi shem ra hardly apply to Clinton according to any way of looking at it.
b) What he did with Lewinsky is considered by many to be assualt.
Clinton was President of the United States, she was a 22 year old girl who worked for him.I should hope that Trump has learned to question Fauci’s views.
Fauci first said that the virus is not that bad.
Then he said to no band travel from China.
The he co-wrote a study in the New England Journal of Medicine saying that even though the virus is statistically more deadly then the flu, it is probably only because we do not test enough however proper testing may show the mortality rate is the same as a severe flu season ( If you do not believe me look it up the New England Journal of Medicine is available).
The he said do not wear masks before he said to wear them.
Since he seemingly disagrees with himself every month or so as “new data” becomes available, I guess I will just disagree with him now, thank you very much.
You are aware that Chazal all over the place say that refers to Torah and Mitzvos.
In fact Chazal are pretty specific it cannot mean literally since Adam did not need to do physical labor before the Aveira.
SEANRNMSPH
You are aware that it makes no difference how extreme AMC “pro life” position is?
The conservative legal theory against Roe vs Wade is simply that it is not something that can constitutionally be decided by the Federal Judiciary.
It can either be decided by the voters or by State courts.
So even if AMC would vote to overturn Roe vs Wade all that would happen is the individual States would be left to decide the laws.
Regarding the Covid test,
I have repeatedly asked whether Trump is also responsible for the 800,000 Deaths in other countries as well and no one seems to want to answer.
Oh well.
Regarding Race wars.
It’s cute the first Republican President of the modern era to make a serious effort to reach out to minority communities is accused of promoting race wars?
Regarding failure to pay taxes.
How about you volunteer to work, build a business then pay 100 million dollars to the US Government that you do not owe them.
Better yet make it 200 million.
Reb Eliezer,
Are you trying to make a joke?I actually watched the entire clip of that exchange.
There was no one within 6 feet.
Trump simply asked for the common courtesy of the reporter taking off the mask while asking the question.
If reporters can take off the mask several minutes after the Press Conference is over, provided they think the video camera is not rolling ( there are several clip circulating showing just that) it seems reasonable they can do it while asking a question of the President with no one around them.
So let’s just get everything straight.
Stating that voting for the President of the United States is at least as important as buying a beer and if one must show ID for buying a beer to ensure they are actually who they say they are then the same should be required for voting.
That is “voter suppression”
But changing the polling locations a month out of the elections in what seems to be pre-dominantly Republican areas.
Thats no big deal.
Yup
Listen Liberal Democrats have the same pattern of behaviour no matter the forum
Biden can get up on a debate stage and spend 90 minutes insulting the PResident of the United States including calling him a “clown” but somehow Trump is at fault for interrupting him.
Someone can state that people who are forced to take a nuanced position on things and not swallow the Liberal line on this virus are “murdering their grandparents”
Yet we are not “Civil”
Jackk
I am kind of curiousAccording to the official stats over 800,000 people died in coutries where Trump was not President
Did he kill them also?
Many countries are now getting what they call a second wave they include Isreal, France, & england.
Is Trump the reason for that also?
As for Joe Biden.
There is a famous exchange he had back in 1982 with Menachem Begin.
He told Begin either do what the USA wants or aid will be cut off.
Begin replied. “I am not a shtetl Jew, and in the Camps no one helped us, and build our land was done with no ones help and now we will protect ourselves with or without your help”.
I guess you can say Biden tried to pull a “Burisma” on him.
Yet some some are arguing that Trump “emboldens” anti-semites.
( I do not endorse Begins words in any way for Hashkafic reasons, however The Satmar Rebbe’s words about the difference between a Jew opposed to the State and a non-Jew seemingly apply here)
Reb Eliezer,
He asked a reported to remove a mask when he was Socially distant from everyone and was asking a question from far away.There was zero reason for the reporter to be wearing one.
And the White House is where he lives.
You are proving his point that yes when medically it makes sense he wears them.
Not for political theater.
Actually according to Joe Biden he is the Democrat Party”
So he shouldn’t at least call members of the party he leads and sets policy for to tell them anything?First off regarding Clinton per se.
He was accused by numerous women of actual assault. He was proven to have had an affair with an intern working for him when he was President of the United States , that is considered abuse by any standards.
Trump actually has had zero “well founded charges” of assault against him.
Regarding the hypocritical charge.
I am sorry but morals are defined by the Torah.
The Torah defines same gender marriage as an abomination.
The pro-abortion stand of the Democrat party is nothing less then being pro-murder.
The stance on looting and other matters taken by a large swath of the party “property damage is ok” is akin to condoning outright theft.
Yes President Trump has issues with personal morality.
I, for one regard most politicians as liars until proven otherwise.
In this case we have two men who are proven to be comprimised morally runnign against each other.
In fact Joe Biden picked a VP, Kamalal Harris, who admitted to having an affair with her boss, which her boss the noted tight winger Willie Brown, confirmed played a role in her advancementHowever while Presidents Trumps personal morals are suspect he is not trying to take take the country down with him, in fact he has a track record of appointing Judges who are respectful of G-d.
Biden on the other hand…..
While I admit to not having read the Green New Deal or caring much about it ( I tend to hold the view that the Orthodox Judaism is pretty specific about why the world was created and what our purpose here is and nothing that I have learnt yet includes environmentalism).
However what has been quoted is concerning to me.
Economic Security- Define that.Affordable,Safe, & Adequate houses- Define That.
High Quality Health Care-Define That.