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August 2, 2018 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm in reply to: If you vote Democrat you should just move to Mexico #1568753
Jackk, I also called that a troll, above.
Regulations started before Obama. The healthcare system was broken way before Obama thanks to intrusive government. I don’t think the answer to Hospital A charging $60 for aspirins is to add more regulation, which helped caused the lunacy to begin with. The answer is Hospital B down the street from Hospital A that charges $5 for an aspirin, thereby soaking up all the business from Hospital A and causing it to lower its fees. As a general rule, everything the government touches goes to gehenom. Get the government out of healthcare. I also don’t think all employers should have an obligation to provide health insurance – that’s not fair to employers that can’t afford it, and it stifles the economy and growth of small-to-medium sized business that operate in a start-up environment and try to compete with big corporate behemoths.August 2, 2018 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm in reply to: If you vote Democrat you should just move to Mexico #1568641
Ubiquitin- When I referenced high costs for routine procedures, I meant things like charging $60 for an aspirin, or $500 for a 10 minute checkup & diagnosis. Maybe “routine” wasn’t the right word to use.
With regards to pre-existing conditions being covered. As an example, if costs were lowered from the level of insanity that they’re at now, insurance companies might be able to hedge their risk of a small number of people with pre-existing conditions in a large group policy. Say a company with 500 employees has 45 employees with pre-existing conditions. Insurance companies are more likely to calculate that it’s worth the added revenue of 500 monthly premiums to take on the added treatment costs of 45 patients, once the treatment costs go down dramatically. I’m not an actuary so I can’t speak to that with certainty.
dbrim- Thanks! 😀
Since we have all these great minds together, I’ve been trying to come up with a way to make anti-gravity. Or a space-time fabric stretcher. Same thing. How do we stretch the fabric of space-time? Antimatter? Dark matter? Superconductors?
I was wrong. I was not in 12th grade.
I’m bringing this throwback thread back in response to ‘i run with scissors’s post on “do you guys remember me” . it’s one of my earlier posts. I stand corrected. I’ve not been posting since 12th grade, but it appears I used to be really funny!!
So many ancient user names here!
Joseph, I’ve been posting since 12th grade, but that was definitely more than 6 years ago. Unless my memory is just failing me in my old age.
The legendary Popa bar abba!!! I remember most of you from when I was a teen. I didn’t post as often as most of you, but i do remember so many names here. Syag, shopping613, oom, joseph, takahmamash, rebbyid23, DY,golfer, mdg, running with scissors, toi, mammele, Y2mod29, and my favorite childhood superhero, Poppa bar abba… what happened Sam? He knew everything.August 1, 2018 10:30 pm at 10:30 pm in reply to: If you vote Democrat you should just move to Mexico #1568215
The story about VP Pence being against contraceptives in policy is fake news propaganda. It has long been debunked. He is against abortion, but that isn’t a contraceptive. I don’t need to address false misinformation.August 1, 2018 4:08 pm at 4:08 pm in reply to: If you vote Democrat you should just move to Mexico #1568043
The OP was just me having some fun trolling Democrats.
As for healthcare – I agree that you don’t always have a choice with healthcare, just like you don’t always have a choice with tow truck companies, or utility providers, but most healthcare service visits are not emergency situations. The customer usually has a choice. The problem is that prices aren’t published like they are for every other industry, so choices aren’t as informed, and the free market isn’t leveraged. That being said, I do believe in limited regulations meant to ensure safety and quality care.
The whole health insurance industry is one giant, steaming, government doped scam. If healthcare costs are reduced by the free market to create realistic care costs, insurance will not need to be so expensive – even for pre-existing conditions. Insurance sometimes pays hundreds if not thousands of dollars for routine procedures. This drives the costs up for everybody. The system is broken, but the answer is not to break it even more.August 1, 2018 1:18 pm at 1:18 pm in reply to: If you vote Democrat you should just move to Mexico #1567978
Sorry Mods 🙂 I’ve got too much to say on these topics. Believe it or not, I do try to be brief.
Amil Zola – You don’t have to respond point by point. Those were all points that you brought up, and I did address every single one of them for you. Since you didn’t respond to even one point, I can assume you don’t have a response, which is totally fine. I don’t want to convince everyone to think exactly what I think, but I do encourage people, especially Jews, to use facts not emotions or misinformation, when forming opinions about political topics. I would say that I am vested in rational thinking, and I see zero logic in the Democratic leftist platform, it’s all based on short sighted emotions, in opinion.August 1, 2018 8:00 am at 8:00 am in reply to: If you vote Democrat you should just move to Mexico #1567779
Amil Zola: You hit a lot of points there. I’ll try to run through them all. For the most part the philosophical difference between conservatism and leftism can be distilled down to that conservatives believe in the limited role of government while leftists believe in a bigger, more involved government. But let’s look at what you brought up:
Realistic immigration policies –
The left wants ICE abolished, amnesty for all illegals, implemented an ineffective catch & release policy, want to admit supposed “refugees” that are impossible to vet from hostile regions of the world, and refuse to fund a border wall. You might feel these are good policies, but I think we can both agree these policies are far from “common sense.”
Regulation of health care-
Health care is already heavily regulated, which is why it’s so expensive. What we really need is to get government out of healthcare, and let the free market act to create competition to lower costs, like it does in every other sector. Limited government oversight such as parts the FDA should stay intact to ensure safety standards are up to par, but only taking a watchdog role.
Workers rights –
I would argue that the free market with limited anti-trust laws is the biggest boon to workers’ rights. Nobody wants to work for a ruthless dictator of a boss.
Maternal wellness, access to contraceptives –
Again, it’s not the governments’ role to provide healthcare. It’s not anywhere in the Constitution, and private business is always better and more efficient at these kinds of services than wasteful, bloated government task forces. Also, contraceptives are dirt cheap and available for free on most college campuses. People aren’t getting accidentally pregnant because they can’t afford a $2 contraceptive, it’s because they’re irresponsible, and it’s not the government’s job to be a nanny.
tax breaks that are fare (sic) to working Americans-
Leftists want to raise your taxes to pay for more gov’t funded programs, conservatives want to lower taxes. Trump passed a huge tax break this year.
just pathways to citizenship via military service-
Conservatives agree we should have immigration law reform, but doesn’t it makes sense to get control of the borders first, before implementing any large immigration reform that may offer perks which will attract more trespassing illegal aliens?
asylum for the victims of domestic and political abues (sic)-
We already have that. Conservatives aren’t against that. They’re only against doing it in a way that creates safety concerns in cases where you can’t vet the people coming in. Just look what happened to Europe over the last 5 years.
Is this like the IDW of the coffee room?July 31, 2018 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm in reply to: If you vote Democrat you should just move to Mexico #1567605
Nobody said anything about shipping any citizen off anywhere. It was simply a recommendation to make Democrats’ lives easier and help them achieve their nefarious goals in a way that’s more pleasant for everyone else.July 31, 2018 12:35 am at 12:35 am in reply to: If you vote Democrat you should just move to Mexico #1567290
CTLAWYER: Oooooh boy! Where do I even start?
–Not my screen name. (Is he talking to me?)
“Your ignorance and bias is amazing.”
–Pleasant evening to you too, good Sir.
“You paint all who vote for candidates of one party as being the same.”
–Gross generalization, I admit.
“I am a Democrat.”
“i vote for individuals. not party. I detest the fool who is leading our country backwards.”
–Name one example, please. Unemployment rates, foreign policy, trade deficits, GDP growth, NATO contributions by allies, and Israel’s defense by the USA in the UN are all at an all time (or long time) best.
“The orange haired, serial adulterer”
–Adulterous women have a thing for rich, fat, married, Hollywood real estate moguls with orange hair, I guess…???
“who enriches his friends and family and hurts our economy.”
–You’re conjuring up thoughts of the pay-to-play scandal by the Clintons. Also,the family’s net worth dropped around a reported $1 Billion since he took office. Ivanka just shut down her business. He isn’t getting rich from this.
“I will pay more than $20,0000 in additional federal tax this year under his new tax structure, money that used go to Tzedaka.”
— Well, it’s a good thing everybody else will be getting fatter paychecks to add to their tzedaka isn’t it? Isn’t that what Democrats preach? Take from the rich upper middle class and give everyone else free college tuition, Obamacare, Obamaphones, more government benefits, etc? You should really not have a problem with this considering it’s the platform your representatives support. Also Mr. Trump has donated his $400,000 presidential salary to charity to offset your $20,0000, which is not a real number.
“I don’t want non-citizens to vote, despite your FALSE claim.”
–Hey! We agree on one thing! There’s hope for you, yet!
“I don’t want open borders, but those arriving and seeking asylum should not be turned away.”
–What about the overwhelming majority who sneak across our borders for economic opportunities and cut ahead of actual vetted asylum seekers who are fleeing actual conflicts from actual war zones and are courteous enough to follow our laws and submit a proper application? I’m pretty sure the application is available en español. Not to mention all the women and children victims of rampant human trafficking that occurs because the Democrats won’t support securing the border. If you care about them, seal the border already!
“Must I remind you of the fate of the passengers on the MS St. Louis back in 1939.”
“Trump is a hateful,”
–Can you give me an “O”?! (bama)
–Can you give me an “H”?! (illary)
“I’d rather have a family of hard working central American immigrants here”
— That’s a gross generalization.
” and him and his family on the other side of a prison wall.”
–Is it because of the orange hair? Why do you want to lock Jews up?July 31, 2018 12:33 am at 12:33 am in reply to: If you vote Democrat you should just move to Mexico #1567293
Arielski- When you have millions more illegals coming in because you invited them with arms wide open as Emperor Obama did, you’ll end up deporting more people. Also, Obama had 8 years, Trump had a year and a half. You have to look at the percentages.
Noyb – Amram was not doing any of the above, yet his daughter Miriam used the same analogy. That’s not to say they all don’t stuff kids into walls or bathe in the blood of kids who don’t get accepted. I’ve heard some pretty vicious things about some cheder schools. 😉 The parents being slaves part is vaday true for almost all the schools.
Syag, I have never heard a seamstress complain about her wages, but if what you say is true, you should boycott them by doing the work yourselves, or just not buy any clothing. That’s what some of the posters here would recommend.
Takes 2- Who will feed the family if the parents have to stay home to teach their kids or go back to school?
No nonsense. We need more teachers like you. The quality teachers/rebbes who work as hard as you do deserve raises and commendations. You’ve convinced me. I guess that settles it. Thanks for answering my initial question with menchlechkeit. Hatzlacha to you!
RebbYidd. Yes. Unless it is a co-ed school, in which case it begs the question, should a couple have kids if their only option is to put them through co-ed school?
Syag, how do you know I’m the same author as the one on the other thread? Maybe I’m the scarred, cynical sibling of the other post’s author?
Making a burger flipper worth $15 means his job is now just as lucrative as a kindergarten teachers’ assistant’s job. Now the KTA realizes she doesn’t need to put up with stinky whiney kids all day, if she can just flip burgers for a few hours instead. Therefore, nobody wants to be a KTA, and the kindergarten has to raise wages on the position to $18/hr in order to fill it. Then the kindergarten teacher realizes she can just be an assistant and not have to work as hard for the same money, and the cycle continues ad infinitum. Meanwhile the school has to up the tuition costs for all parents in order to to employ the same staff. All you end up doing is devaluating the dollar and creating artificial inflation. Raising the minimum wage is political scheme invented by the Democrats to manipulate ignorant low-income voters and feed off their raw emotions in order to generate votes – par for the course for the left.
For all those people using their offended feelings as opposed to facts as a response to my initial question, please be advised I am not condemning teachers at large.
My initial $50k example was in reference to teachers whose full-time job consists of teaching 1 or 2 classes a day and who take 3 months off every year. I’m not saying we should pay actual full-time teachers who work 8-9 hours a day less than $50k, or trying to create a wage scale for teachers nationally. That would be silly, considering wages shift by geography, experience, education, school, etc.. All I’m saying is that I think teachers undervalue the amount of time off that they get when/if they complain about their salaries – and there’s no question that some teachers like to complain about their salaries.
That being said, I think everyone should fight to earn as much as they can. But from the perspective of a potential future tuition payer, I also have a right to question the exorbitantly high tuitions in Jewish schools and seek a fair distribution of that which I will have to contribute to.
Thanks for the concise summary. I agree with your statements.
It seems you are the one disparaging others here.
You assume a malicious intent behind the opinions presented here and continue to guilt and demean people who hold those opinions. You are shutting down conversation in a manipulative way because you disagree with the opinions of others by using character attacks instead of reasoning skills. That is just simple bullying and doesn’t strengthen your side of the argument.
Syag, I am not condemning anyone. All I’m saying is that I think teachers undervalue the time they have off and the flexibility of their schedules when they assess their wages, and that those who complain about it should either get a different job, or stop whining about it.
Also, while I do value your virtue of sympathy, I really have no need for it. This is not something that has bothered me at all for well over a decade. Someone here suggested I have no right to an opinion since I don’t currently have kids in school. So, despite my belief that present irrelevance does not preclude an opinion, I presented the relevance to my life as an anecdote. If I have any virtue at all, it’s knowing and being comfortable with my own subconscious negias. I am not some scarred individual walking through life all pathetic-like and begging for pity. If anything, I still have a strong kesher with the rabbeim in my story. And, despite my offense at their prior comments, I appreciate that they showed me the harsh realities of being underemployed, which steered me away from being a marbitz Torah and motivated me to get a higher education in a STEM field, so I can help support their yeshiva, BS”D.
Syag – I don’t believe that not being part of a demographic invalidates my opinion about matters related to a demographic. Just because I’m not pregnant, doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion about abortion. Just because I’m not a fatherless, black inner-city kid, doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion about fatherlessness in the black community. Just because I don’t have child in a Jewish school, doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion about Jewish school teachers’ well known attitudes regarding their salaries.
And again, I’ve never said $50k/annually is too high. I think teachers ignore the perk that they get to go home early every y and only work 3/4 of the year when they complain – and many teachers do complain. The only valid answer I’ve heard so far is that they have take-home work, but I’m not convinced most teachers do. A lot of schools have established curriculums and the teachers repeat the same material every year, so after the first couple years it gets easier.
Syag – Perhaps it bothers me so much as an adult to hear teachers whine about their pay because back when I was in school, a few of my rabbeim would jokingly complain on a regular basis about their low $40k-50k salary. It was a running self-deprecating joke by the rabbeim that they do not make any money – hardy har har. This seemed particularly cruel to me since at the time I was growing up in a home with 2 immigrant parents who, despite working multiple jobs, only earned about $35k annually, combined. My parents didn’t have a choice – they didn’t speak English. These rabbeim had a choice. Don’t make a decision and then whine about the consequences.
CTLawyer – I’m familiar with both words, thank you very much. It was a careless mistake. Pardon me if I don’t rough draft, revise, edit, and peer-review my Coffee Room opinions before posting. If you’d like, I can go through all your posts and check for errors before giving you an English lesson, and then presume your educational background before deriding it. But that wouldn’t be very nice or helpful.
With regards to your first post: You are comparing the salary of one of the top earners in the NBA, a selection of the best athletes in the world, to the salary of an average citizen. That’s not how basic economics work in a capitalist society. Maybe in the Communist USSR.
I don’t disagree with you for the most part. With regard to point 3 – why do teachers become teachers if don’t think it’s worth it and then complain about supposedly getting underpaid?
A) They really think it is worth it when considering all the added perks associated with the job.
B) They are guilted into it or feel they don’t have a choice.
C) They think it’s their calling/tafkid and do it for altruistic reasons, but then get into the job, realize they need more money to afford their lifestyle, refuse to work during summers, and start complaining.
If it’s A, don’t complain. If it’s B, don’t be a teacher, (because you’ll probably not be a very good one with that kind of attitude). If it’s C, exercise some responsibility for your life choices and work a summer job.
Make a point – I’ve never screamed that. I don’t even have children. It should not be the parents’ business what teachers do in their free time, as long as it isn’t illegal, unethical, or morally reprehensible. Parents shouldn’t have a say in how teachers make ends meet to pay their bills. That still doesn’t mean teachers are underpaid for their time. You’re saying they just feel they need 3+ months to recuperate from the stress of their job. Maybe we just need a week of mandatory resilience training and therapy for teachers?
DY – Nobody is “bashing” anything. It’s a frank question, but not intended to demean the importance of quality teachers – the quality part being lacking.
Athletes – again, supply and demand. If you want a quality quarterback who can compete in the NFL you need to find natural talent, good genetics, and extreme athleticism. Also, they spend thousands of hours doing intense training the other half of the year in order to perform successfully, and you have hundreds of thousands of people paying tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars to watch a team of a handful of players. Supply and demand.
By the way, it is completely halachically assur for rabbeim to charge money for the teaching of Torah. Torah knowledge cannot be monetized, halachically. The payment afforded to rabbeim is only muttar because of the necessary loophole of schar hefsed. Which means that you are essentially paying them for lost wages of the job they would otherwise be doing if they were not teaching Torah. Therefore, the payment is commiserate with the value of what would be deemed an average compensation, not with the value of the Torah learning, because then you’d be right – טוב לי תורת פיך מאלפי זהב וכסף.
To your last point – Good! They should be taking summer jobs to balance out their yearly wages. I think that’s fair. I just don’t think they should complain for having to do that. How many social workers deal with traumatizing situations all year round for about the same or less than a teacher’s annual salary and don’t get 3 months off?
Supply and demand. How many hours a day do teachers work on average?July 26, 2018 9:20 am at 9:20 am in reply to: Yeshiva Tuition – question for executive directors #1565308
Takahmamash – I’m not trolling. I don’t really agree with your argument, lots of professions have to take their work home with them and deal with rude customers and difficult situations. If it was easy, it wouldn’t be called “work”. Even if teachers work 45 hours a week, every week (I doubt it), they still get to take a good quarter of the year off. The typical median full time US salary is $51k x 75% = $38.25k. That makes teachers salaries seem not so far fetched. In fact, if you look at the wages per hour that public school teachers make per the US Dept. of Labor, it is beyond regular white collar administrators, and almost as high as the category of engineers.
There’s a prohibition in deriving benefit from any melacha that’s initiated on shabbos, even by a non-Jew, if that melacha is done specifically for the Jew. Even if you didn’t ask for it to be done, if you’re deriving benefit from it, it’s assur. You also run into issues of turning on lights when you open the doors and having to give destination instructions to the computer. Let’s assume the melacha is not done just for you, but that you are tagging along for a ride with a non-Jew who opens all the doors and directs the car to it’s final destination. You still have the problem with your weight increasing the load on the motor, and thus making it work harder for you. If it’s an internal combustion engine that means higher RPMs needed to achieve the same acceleration as if you weren’t there. For a 4-cylinder engine that could be thousands of additional melachas per minute due to your weight. If it’s 100% electric, it’s a machlokes, but still not muttar. You also move the car when you get in and out of it, so it would be a violation of muktzah. It’s also definitely not in the spirit of shabbos.July 26, 2018 1:02 am at 1:02 am in reply to: Yeshiva Tuition – question for executive directors #1565216
Rebbies and teachers complain about not making large salaries. I don’t get it. They only work, say, 5 hours a day and get two months off in the summer plus several weeks off for Jewish holidays during the year. What profession pays their employees a large salary and lets them vacation 1/4 of the year and go home at 3:00?July 6, 2018 8:30 am at 8:30 am in reply to: Why does the Yeshiva World constantly post anti Trump articles #1553511
Avram in MD: “Since when is it a crime to request asylum?”
The way you phrase this question shows complete intellectual dishonesty and twisting of the truth. There is a big difference between “requesting asylum” and illegally sneaking across the border. One is a crime the other is not. Let’s not pretend anyone is saying we should no longer accept legitimate asylum seekers who don’t try to skip the line ahead of everyone else who is trying to go through it the legal way. Oh and by the way, most of the illegals who sneak in do it for money not for asylum.June 30, 2018 11:41 pm at 11:41 pm in reply to: Why does the Yeshiva World constantly post anti Trump articles #1549637
Are you being serious right now? You DO realize that if you, as a citizen, commit a crime punishable by jail and you happen to tote your kids with you that your children will be taken away, right? Would you rather the kids be put in jail with the supposed “parents”
(who most likely are really just human traffickers), or would you rather just the police let people use the presence of a child as a get-out-of-jail-free card?June 10, 2018 8:10 am at 8:10 am in reply to: Would you have learned differently in yeshiva/kollel in hindsight #1536484
I went to a yeshiva that focused on teaching talmidim “how to learn,” but it seems most people who go into the working world don’t have the time or the peace of mind to actually learn to that depth after leaving yeshiva. It does shift to a bekiyus type of learning. It’s not a bad thing that you focus on depth in yeshiva, because you still use those critical thinking skills once you leave, you just don’t dwell on the pilpul for so long. I don’t think any yeshiva advocates talmidim should limit themselves to the handful of “yeshivishe masechtas” and neglect tanach and the rest of Shas.
I don’t enough time to educate you on all these issues. If you sincerely care to listen to the opposing point of view go listen to conservative thinkers like Ben Shapiro. My point was you can debate this issue from a religious perspective and from a democratic perspective, but you shouldn’t conflate the two arguments.
Then there is a machlokes in daas Torah since ALL the LORs I have consulted support gun ownership as proper hishtadlus.
Ubiq – If you don’t believe people die at the exact moment they were supposed to, regardless of whether a gun was the cause, then nothing anyone says will help you.
Also, Americans can argue that the Jewish traditions and way of life (shchita, milah, etc) is stupid and dangerous. You can’t just waltz in and say, “it’s a stupid way of life, get rid of it!” as you do above. This is also ignoring the fact that the anti-gun lobby has yet to prove the harms of firearms outweigh the benefits, both in terms of safety and with respect to the idea of an armed society keeping its government from straying towards tyranny, which was the whole initial premise of the 2nd Amendment according to many. It also ignores that the vast majority of legal gun owners never shoot anyone and are significantly less likely to commit crime.
Lumping suicide by gun into statistics as the anti-gun lobby does when arguing the severity of gun violence is disingenuous since most suicide is not committed with firearms. Therefore a logical premise is that those who are suicidal enough to kill themselves would just as easily intentionally overdose or throw a toaster in their bathtub; instead of saying that if only guns were outlawed there would be no guns, and if there would be no guns, there would be no option for suicide for these people.
Hishtadlus towards your self protection by carrying a defensive weapon is VERY different than saying that your hishtadlus to get the government to ban a particular type of weapon will save anyone’s life. If you don’t believe me go ask your LOR (Emphasis on the “O”.) If you don’t want to ask your LOR, you are also being disingenuous.
Arguing about gun legislation is a moot point when you consider the deaths in this country by vehicular accidents and medical malpractice far FAR exceed the number of deaths by firearms, even if you consider suicide by firearm which is the largest chunk in the pie of gun related deaths. All you do by arguing for gun control is further harp on a highly divisive issue of culture and tradition for Americans and further divide the country. You can save MANY more innocent lives by enacting safety regulations for transportation and medicine. Beating the gun control issue is appealing to the average American who views mass homicide without the lens of hashgacha, thinking that “if only” guns were banned their child wouldn’t be dead. While it should be treated as a sensitive subject due to the emotions of those affected, in reality it doesn’t fit into Jewish hashkafa of hashgacha. Banning guns. Won’t save people. In terms of hishtadlus, focusing on the more prolific killers such as vehicular accidents, mental health, and medical malpractice is more significant.
“You” are your neshama. Hashem gives you your body which is just a levush. I take it for granted that your body’s DNA and all the ramifications of your genetic make-up are simply part of the body that Hashem gives you – again “you” being the neshama. By creating a living clone body one is still not able to determine the neshama inside of it. Thus a clone is a different person that the source.
Part of any proper self defense education is conflict avoidance and de-escalation, but what if you find the bum in your bedroom at 3:00 AM?October 7, 2017 7:50 pm at 7:50 pm in reply to: Vegas Massacre: 59 Good Reasons to Outlaw Automatic Weapons #1378659
If there was a magic button that rid the planet of weapons, i would push it, but there isn’t – we need Mashiach for that. There are more guns than Americans in this country, and there is no way, at this point in time, to confiscate all arms Without starting a second civil war. The sad truth is that there are weapons smuggled into this country every day, and needless to say, they are not sold to the type of people who have the ability to pass FBI background checks and purchase guns legally. Ironically, the same people who constantly try to take away the rights of Americans to own firearms are also the ones who fight against securing the borders, through which illegal arms are smuggled across and into the hands of criminals in the US. That being the case, the constitution protects the rights of citizens to defend themselves. Disarming the good guys doesn’t prevent the bad guys from obtaining illegal weapons and using them against us. If this psychopath was not able to obtain his weapons legally, he could have done it just as well in an illegal form, or just used a different kind of weapon like a homemade dirty bomb. That’s why it can’t be prevented.
Additionally, reports said it took 72 minutes for police to reach the madman in Vegas from the moment of the first emergency phone call. Granted, there was no armed civilian in the hotel (a “gun-free zone”) that was able to be proactive and stop the guy, but my point is, the police are not always there to defend you when C”V evil attacks. The right to self-defence is God-given and the Second Amendment is there to protect it. For these reasons, disarming the good guys is viewed as a bad decision by much of the country. To specifically use a tragedy as a tool to push a political position that is known to be controversial and is especially aggravating to much of the country is insensitive and divisive at a time during which national unity is needed more than anything else.
Gaon, who in their right mind was advocating for kids to pack heat as a fashion accessory?! Where in the conversation did this become “the issue at hand”?October 3, 2017 12:59 pm at 12:59 pm in reply to: Vegas Massacre: 59 Good Reasons to Outlaw Automatic Weapons #1377854
Since automatic weapons are already outlawed, perhaps a better alternative would be to require highrise buildings to have cheap sensors installed to detect broken windows, so that their security teams can more quickly locate a shooter or jumper. Also, maybe a better job can be done for organizing the evacuations of mass gatherings. This could be requested by municipalities when someone tries to pull a permit to hold a large gathering. The gun is simply the tool. The same or more carnage could have been accomplished much more simply with a pickup truck and a few bags of fertilizer turned into a big IED. The sad truth is that there was no good way to stop this attack. The perp had no criminal or psychiatric history. He wasn’t even on the radar screen. Those turning this into a gun issue are just standing on the graves of the victims to try and push their agenda down other Americans’ throats.October 3, 2017 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm in reply to: Vegas Massacre: 59 Good Reasons to Outlaw Automatic Weapons #1377937
DovidBT. Have you seen the videos? No flash. And have you ever fired a rifle at a target 500 yards away? Have you ever fired an automatic weapon at night at a target 500 yards away without hitting anything around it that shouldn’t be hit? To say this is “easy” shows your only experience in the matter comes from video games. Shooting back towards the hotel would just create more collateral losses. I hope you’re just making a bad joke.
“Gaon” there is a big difference between wearing a dagger/sword for ornament as many Arabian citizens still do, and carrying a tool for self defense.
As someone who has been around guns for his entire adult life, I can’t understand the “in-town” frum crowd’s phobia of guns. Perhaps it’s a result of growing up in the hyper-liberal, anti-gun New York. Wouldn’t you rather your kids learn to have a healthy respect for guns and learn how to treat them responsibly & safely from someone truly knowledgeable, as opposed to learning about them from Hollywood and pop culture, which frequently glorify violence and spread lots of potentially dangerous myths and false information about firearms? I’m not saying frum families MUST own firearms, but it’s ignorant to stick your head in the sand and assume that a child who encounters one in a an unfortunate scenario when an adult isn’t present will know how to react safely. You (hopefully) teach your children how to react to strangers, how to cross the street, and what to do if they find a sharp object, don’t you? What is the taboo with firearms that makes many frum people hush hush about the topic around their kids? It’s almost as if recognizing the existence of guns will turn children intro murderous thugs… It won’t.