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A man’s upper body is not considered erva like a woman’s. However, tznius would dictate that you should remain modest and not go about undressed where it is inappropriate to do so. Thus, many rabbeim say that you should remain dressed as you would normally, unless engaging in activity that calls upon a particular type of dress that you would normally not don. For example, wearing shorts to play sports and exercise is acceptable, and so is being shirtless when bathing for pleasure.
There’s a different inyan for a person who is a talmid chacham. Kavod haTorah may require such a person to avoid appearing in front of others undressed. This would mean a rebbe should avoid being at a public mikveh when his talmidim are there. I’m pretty positive it’s muttar for a talmid chacham to go to a public mikveh, and appear undressed in front of other men, so you would think that being shirtless while swimming is muttar for a TC when not in front of others. Also, a father shouldn’t appear totally undressed in front of his son at a mikveh, even if the father is not a talmid chacham. However, even when at the mikveh, one should never walk around undressed, just to quickly get in and out of the water.
I don’t know if it’s mandatory or just lifnim meshuras hadin, but my high school rabbeim were makpid to wear long pants and shirts when engaging in water activities with their talmidim such as swimming or rafting. I don’t have the mekoros for all of this, it’s what I was taught by my roshei yeshivahs.
Ohr Chodosh, I’ve personally seen plenty of chaz”al out there that discuss the huge z’chus that is being a benefactor of Torah. Some darshen the pasuk of “Eitz chayim hee lamachazikim bah”: It doesn’t say “lelomdeyha” (those who learn her) or “leyodeyha” (those who know her), but rather, “those who hold her” – which chazal say means financial support.
We don’t show the same kavod to a guy who knows one ten thousandth of what a Gadol knows, as we do to the Gadol, even if it was twenty thousand times more difficult for this guy to learn what he learnt. The same goes for financial support. While anyone who supports Torah deserves kavod, especially someone for whom it is difficult, be’olam hazeh we are not equipped with the knowledge to judge the levels of people’s nisyonos. Therefore we go according to how much someone knows & lives Torah and how much someone supports Torah, but NOT how hard it was for them. Be’olam haba it is a different case, and that’s where we say “olam hafooch raiti”.
Goq – Arrogant “popular” kids, don’t always stay that way, and often gain perspective when they get older. I personally know at least 2 or 3 such people. You should forgive ppl.
In response to commonsense, I vote for what Goq said at the beginning.
Yes, he should. This is a prime example of how misguided this man is. He thinks being president means being a pop-culture icon. It’s disgusting.
I am not so well versed in hilchos grama and psik reisha, but from what I understand: if you cause something to happen, but it wasn’t your intention for it to happen, and it wasn’t a guaranteed direct result of your action then it’s not a problem. Perhaps other people can elaborate… In your case, you had no intention to influence the AC, you were just intending to open the door. Also, the AC isn’t guaranteed to turn on by your opening the door, it may have turned on regardless, or it may not even turn on at all because not enough hot air entered the room.
I hope this comment isn’t taken offensively, but when girls wear tights with short tight skirts… That look is definitely something you would expect on a “street corner girl”, Not on a bas Yisroel. It’s a shame that some girls look for excuses to dress that way instead of celebrating their own tznius. I don’t think we need a source for why tight clothes are less tznius than loose clothes, even if they’re completely opaque. It’s kind of common sense, but not to say their isn’t a source.
On the ball – didn’t know that, but in my defense many of them who partake in the toeiva parade aren’t Jews. They’re Europeans who fly in to Israel just to spread their filth.
I strongly disagree with “pcoz”. That sounds like lip service to me.
First of all, you must understand what you are saying.
As far as enjoyment. I usually only enjoy davening when I get there 10-15 minutes early and say korbanos, ketoret, or other pre-davening things to get my mind in the right place. Also, it makes me feel like davening is not so much of a burden when I do this. Ironic, but it works. Also, being the first person there is a special feeling.
My CR name….Wouldn’t you like to know?
ItcheSr- oops, I misread your comment. My mistake, I thought you were saying something else.
Caracas Chick – umm….No. I do not “know for a fact.” That’s why I used the words, “I wouldn’t assume.”
My Rebbe once visited a wealthy member of a reform shul while fundraising for his Yeshiva, and the subject of tfillin came up. The man asked my Rebbe if he could teach him how to put on tfillin because he asked his rabbi, “but she didn’t know how.”
If you’re looking for a guarantee that there won’t be heavy civilian casualties in Israel, you aren’t going to get one. It’s a cruddy situation, but it’s not a catch 22. One option is much less risky than the other.
Because it doesn’t get any more deadly than nuclear weapons, or dirty bombs.
I bought it in Israel from a large clothing store that is owned by, and employs frum people. Also the tallis had a hechsher tag on it, but now that I look at it, it says the hechsher covers only the tzitzis strands themselves (which are labelled 65% polyester 35% cotton) and the tying of the knots which is done by “avreichim yarei shomayim”. I’m not Ashkenaz, so I don’t hold like R’ Feinstein, perhaps the shti v’erev is good enough to make it a garment. Have you ever seen those “fishnet” tzitzis? It’s see through and very breathable in the summer, that’s why I bought them.
dd – The fact that your opinion is what it is, is the strongest reason why the “pride” filth is opposed so strongly. Desensitization. The fact that you don’t view it as disgusting to the point of not wanting to think about it reveals how society has taken its toll on your sensitivity for right and wrong. Saying those who are against it the most have psychological netias towards it is a pathetic idea used by the baalei toeivas themselves and their supporters to suppress those who oppose them. You should really rethink your position.
Englishman, because as of right now, Israel has the only nukes in the showdown. If it starts getting too hot, they WILL drop the bombs. That should do enough to stop any country from functioning, let alone retaliate in full strength, much like the US did to Japan in WWII. The alternative is to let Iran have the bomb, let them smuggle it through terrorist proxies, and then blow it up in Israel C”V. In that case it may be too late for a counter attack, and also Israel will also not have the international support of counter-nuking Iran because Iran didn’t attack Israel directly and they can shift the blame elsewhere. It’s a chess game, and what you are proposing is to let Iran have the queen, when that’s your only current advantage. It’s suicide.
GoldenPupik – I take back what I said in your other thread about you learning. It seems to me from all of your comments that I’ve read that you are fooling yourself if you think you are learning just to help your husband and your relationship. I’m getting VERY strong feminist vibes from you. I hope you don’t take this as an insult. I’m just trying to help you get in touch with yourself by giving you an unbiased opinion. Someone who deep down feels inferior always needs to look for reasons why they are superior, while those who are comfortable being who they are do not bother with such things. I’m not a psychologist, but your statements speak volumes.
A bas Yisroel should accept that her place is not in the beis medrash. It’s not because a woman is lesser, but because a woman has a different role to play than a man. You should be careful lest your children suffer of gender role confusion. Please don’t be offended by my comment, I’m bring 100% serious, and I’m praying that you’re just trolling as some have suggested.
Golden – whatever helps you sleep at night….
Yytz they’re having a toeiva parade in Jerusalem right now. Yimach shemum v’zichrum, Amen!
I don’t think we publicize such a thing, even if you do learn for the right reasons (shalom bayis, not battelling your husband, etc). It’s just not traditional in the orthodox world to do this and we are very cautious of it becoming a trend and having women learning for the wrong reasons, like femenism, “equality”, “proving” themselves, or seeking recognition. These reasons are very much in line with Reform Judaism, and that’s why, especially today, we seek to distance ourselves from that slippery slope. I suggest that if you do do it, (obviously with a heter from a reliable posek) that you are not mefarsem it to your friends and family. But this is just my personal take on it.
Because Iran provides arms, training, information, equipment, funding, and soldiers to terrorist organizations that murder Jews and other denominations in Israel and around the world. There is much probable cause to believe that once they attain nuclear weapons, they will be smuggled to terrorists who will use them against Israeli and Western populations. An attack on Iran may beget a retaliation, but at least it won’t be nuclear war.
Caracas Chick – what did we say that’s insulting? We’re discussing halacha.
Sam2 – I doubt you would be allowed to say over their tfillah next to something unclean, like excrement and the like. It has Hashem’s name in it, various psukim, and they read the Torah (even if it’s done in a pasul manner). So they might not be yotzei the way that Chazal intended, but chazal say Hashem listens to all who pray to him.
Dash, then why are they wearing scarf talleisim? Lol!
So does anyone know how synthetic fiber tzitzis can be kosher? Like polyester “fishnet” tzitzis? I wear those in the summer cus it’s like 110 degrees here…
RebRy- see above: Curiosity, Dibur Hamaschil “Sam2 – Actually”
They definitely say the Shma… Probably after saying a hatikva… But Krias Shma is deoraysah, and at the very least it’s a pasuk from the Torah, so there has to be some kedusha there. No?
Sam2…lol… T’was for naught!
Sam2 – There’s a halacha that something that’s mechubar to itself can’t be used to cover itself. That’s why you can’t place your hand on your own head as a yarmulka, but you can use someone else’s hand. Lechorah a book is considered one unit because it’s mechubar through the binding, and therefore the front pages aren’t considered covering the back pages. Even without this though, what you are saying would mean a book can’t have a cover, title page, copyright/publisher page, blank pages, or introductions in front. No disrespect, but that’s a boich chumra. I’m sure those that argued with the Aruch Hashulchan didn’t tear out title pages from chumashim.
Sam2 – Actually, now that I think of it, I would say even a small reformed Tallis might be assur to take into a bathroom. A tallis is not an object of kedusha like WolfishMusing says. It’s only assur to bring into the bathroom because it’s designated specifically for davening, and it’s disrespectful to wear an article that is meyuchad for davening into the bathroom. BTW, that’s why a tallis kattan is muttar to take into the bathroom. Thus, even if it’s not yotzei in terms of being a garment for the sake of tzitzis, it’s still nonetheless an article of clothing that’s meyuchad for davening. And even though their davening is totally messed up, and not what the Knesset Yisrael originally designed, they’re still davening in their own way to Hashem.
What do you think?
Yup. Israel has a war roughly every five or six years. We’re overdue. And yes. People go day to day largely ignoring all of these significant world events that have happened the past few years. The world just barely avoided a nuclear holocaust during the Cold War, and all signs indicate that a similar situation will occur very soon. The reason there’s not as much national panic now as there was back then is because today everyone has their heads in the sand. Ironically, that makes it much more likely that it won’t be just a “close call” this time around.
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The name and address was a joke
Sam2 – Thanks. I wonder how the Ran would learn the sugyas where Chazal have to matir twisting the truth when he holds lying isn’t assur in the first place. Do you know?
Just me – First of all, I don’t think it’s fair to pin our hashkafa vs. the Chofetz Chaim’s because it’s not really our hashkafa – it’s the hashkafa of various gedolim and roshei yeshivas; some of whom were talmidim of the Chofetz Chaim (ie: HaRav Dovid Leibowitz Ztz”l). Secondly, it’s not our tafkid to make pages of gemara dance. We’re supposed to learn Torah, not skim through it. Third,(and least relevant,) maybe the Chofetz Chaim was just making the best of a bad situation, like the chacham in the gemara who commented on the dead dog’s white teeth. Not that daf yomi is a dead dog, lol…
SIDI – “Us” was going back on “Jewish societies”, not on “women”. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
WolfishMusings – I wasn’t trying to insult anyone. I know that when reform people sometimes come to our shul on Yom Kippur, I’ve seen plenty that are ignorant enough to wear their “tallis” in the bathroom. And just in case you were referring to my use of the word “Temple” – that’s what the reform folks call their place of worship in our city. Maybe the reformed people in your town are frummer than the ones in mine.
..guess not. How about, “I was framed by the dog.” lol
A wife isn’t her husband’s “property” per se, but the way you make a kiddushin on a woman is much like that of an “acquisition” of property (kinyan – “isha nikneis”). However, she obviously can’t be sold, traded, or neglected like personal property. On the other hand, they are “our women”, just like we are “their men”. Maybe before Rabbeinu Gershom we weren’t “their men” as much as they were “our women”.
For most of history Jewish societies were the most liberal, where women were treated with much more respect and dignity than they were in other societies. Today, ironically, the West sees us as being outdated and sexist.
I wouldn’t assume they say brachos. Farkert, I would say most don’t say brachos, don’t check their tzitzis strands, and probably wear them into the bathroom when going to temple. It’s probably better that they use something like that as to avoid all sorts of aveiras.
haha this is a fun topic..Hmm.. I’m thinking,
“Not a cat person.”
for me 🙂
Nomtw – for the coffee room members who’ve read this discussion, yes, to some extent, there should be less stigma. Though mw13 raises a good point that I haven’t really considered. You don’t know the extent of someone’s problems and the extent to which they’ve been resolved by therapy. So, if you only know that someone has been to therapy, without knowing the details, you could be taking a risk. That’s not a guaranteed risk because it could have been a minor issue, and even if it was a big issue it could have been resolved. But it’s a risk nonetheless.
ItcheSrulik, that’s not really a raya. The reason you don’t put stuff on kisvei kodesh is for fear of disrespecting them. We cover a sefer Torah between aliyos for the sake of respecting it.
Itchesrulik – why then are there kosher tzitzit made of polyester?
Sam2. I’m not using you to matir music. Just to matir the wine+music combo. I know of gedolim who enjoyed classical music, and that’s plenty heter for me.
Chavrusa- I hope that wasn’t directed at me… Unless the Baal Haturim says it, waxing homoletics just don’t do anything for me. Thanks for the effort though!
Gabbais stop giving out long misheberachs during shabbos davening!
Thank you Sam2. I’ll stay classy then.
Mistama towels and blankets aren’t considered a begged, even if “worn” as a pretend begged for a minimal amount of time. I assume if you turned it into a begged where it was no longer a towel or blanket then it would be a different shaila. I always had the kasha regarding those square, hooded, one-size-fits-all rain ponchos. I was told by a rabbi that since it’s made of plastic and isn’t shti v’erev that it doesn’t need tzitzis, but I haven’t confirmed it anywhere else. I’m not sure if barber robes are made the same way.