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Yytz they’re having a toeiva parade in Jerusalem right now. Yimach shemum v’zichrum, Amen!
I don’t think we publicize such a thing, even if you do learn for the right reasons (shalom bayis, not battelling your husband, etc). It’s just not traditional in the orthodox world to do this and we are very cautious of it becoming a trend and having women learning for the wrong reasons, like femenism, “equality”, “proving” themselves, or seeking recognition. These reasons are very much in line with Reform Judaism, and that’s why, especially today, we seek to distance ourselves from that slippery slope. I suggest that if you do do it, (obviously with a heter from a reliable posek) that you are not mefarsem it to your friends and family. But this is just my personal take on it.
Because Iran provides arms, training, information, equipment, funding, and soldiers to terrorist organizations that murder Jews and other denominations in Israel and around the world. There is much probable cause to believe that once they attain nuclear weapons, they will be smuggled to terrorists who will use them against Israeli and Western populations. An attack on Iran may beget a retaliation, but at least it won’t be nuclear war.
Caracas Chick – what did we say that’s insulting? We’re discussing halacha.
Sam2 – I doubt you would be allowed to say over their tfillah next to something unclean, like excrement and the like. It has Hashem’s name in it, various psukim, and they read the Torah (even if it’s done in a pasul manner). So they might not be yotzei the way that Chazal intended, but chazal say Hashem listens to all who pray to him.
Dash, then why are they wearing scarf talleisim? Lol!
So does anyone know how synthetic fiber tzitzis can be kosher? Like polyester “fishnet” tzitzis? I wear those in the summer cus it’s like 110 degrees here…
RebRy- see above: Curiosity, Dibur Hamaschil “Sam2 – Actually”
They definitely say the Shma… Probably after saying a hatikva… But Krias Shma is deoraysah, and at the very least it’s a pasuk from the Torah, so there has to be some kedusha there. No?
Sam2…lol… T’was for naught!
Sam2 – There’s a halacha that something that’s mechubar to itself can’t be used to cover itself. That’s why you can’t place your hand on your own head as a yarmulka, but you can use someone else’s hand. Lechorah a book is considered one unit because it’s mechubar through the binding, and therefore the front pages aren’t considered covering the back pages. Even without this though, what you are saying would mean a book can’t have a cover, title page, copyright/publisher page, blank pages, or introductions in front. No disrespect, but that’s a boich chumra. I’m sure those that argued with the Aruch Hashulchan didn’t tear out title pages from chumashim.
Sam2 – Actually, now that I think of it, I would say even a small reformed Tallis might be assur to take into a bathroom. A tallis is not an object of kedusha like WolfishMusing says. It’s only assur to bring into the bathroom because it’s designated specifically for davening, and it’s disrespectful to wear an article that is meyuchad for davening into the bathroom. BTW, that’s why a tallis kattan is muttar to take into the bathroom. Thus, even if it’s not yotzei in terms of being a garment for the sake of tzitzis, it’s still nonetheless an article of clothing that’s meyuchad for davening. And even though their davening is totally messed up, and not what the Knesset Yisrael originally designed, they’re still davening in their own way to Hashem.
What do you think?
Yup. Israel has a war roughly every five or six years. We’re overdue. And yes. People go day to day largely ignoring all of these significant world events that have happened the past few years. The world just barely avoided a nuclear holocaust during the Cold War, and all signs indicate that a similar situation will occur very soon. The reason there’s not as much national panic now as there was back then is because today everyone has their heads in the sand. Ironically, that makes it much more likely that it won’t be just a “close call” this time around.
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Sam2 – Thanks. I wonder how the Ran would learn the sugyas where Chazal have to matir twisting the truth when he holds lying isn’t assur in the first place. Do you know?
Just me – First of all, I don’t think it’s fair to pin our hashkafa vs. the Chofetz Chaim’s because it’s not really our hashkafa – it’s the hashkafa of various gedolim and roshei yeshivas; some of whom were talmidim of the Chofetz Chaim (ie: HaRav Dovid Leibowitz Ztz”l). Secondly, it’s not our tafkid to make pages of gemara dance. We’re supposed to learn Torah, not skim through it. Third,(and least relevant,) maybe the Chofetz Chaim was just making the best of a bad situation, like the chacham in the gemara who commented on the dead dog’s white teeth. Not that daf yomi is a dead dog, lol…
SIDI – “Us” was going back on “Jewish societies”, not on “women”. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
WolfishMusings – I wasn’t trying to insult anyone. I know that when reform people sometimes come to our shul on Yom Kippur, I’ve seen plenty that are ignorant enough to wear their “tallis” in the bathroom. And just in case you were referring to my use of the word “Temple” – that’s what the reform folks call their place of worship in our city. Maybe the reformed people in your town are frummer than the ones in mine.
..guess not. How about, “I was framed by the dog.” lol
A wife isn’t her husband’s “property” per se, but the way you make a kiddushin on a woman is much like that of an “acquisition” of property (kinyan – “isha nikneis”). However, she obviously can’t be sold, traded, or neglected like personal property. On the other hand, they are “our women”, just like we are “their men”. Maybe before Rabbeinu Gershom we weren’t “their men” as much as they were “our women”.
For most of history Jewish societies were the most liberal, where women were treated with much more respect and dignity than they were in other societies. Today, ironically, the West sees us as being outdated and sexist.
I wouldn’t assume they say brachos. Farkert, I would say most don’t say brachos, don’t check their tzitzis strands, and probably wear them into the bathroom when going to temple. It’s probably better that they use something like that as to avoid all sorts of aveiras.
haha this is a fun topic..Hmm.. I’m thinking,
“Not a cat person.”
for me 🙂
Nomtw – for the coffee room members who’ve read this discussion, yes, to some extent, there should be less stigma. Though mw13 raises a good point that I haven’t really considered. You don’t know the extent of someone’s problems and the extent to which they’ve been resolved by therapy. So, if you only know that someone has been to therapy, without knowing the details, you could be taking a risk. That’s not a guaranteed risk because it could have been a minor issue, and even if it was a big issue it could have been resolved. But it’s a risk nonetheless.
ItcheSrulik, that’s not really a raya. The reason you don’t put stuff on kisvei kodesh is for fear of disrespecting them. We cover a sefer Torah between aliyos for the sake of respecting it.
Itchesrulik – why then are there kosher tzitzit made of polyester?August 1, 2012 4:41 pm at 4:41 pm in reply to: Correction about Halacha of listening to music during meal #889279
Sam2. I’m not using you to matir music. Just to matir the wine+music combo. I know of gedolim who enjoyed classical music, and that’s plenty heter for me.
Chavrusa- I hope that wasn’t directed at me… Unless the Baal Haturim says it, waxing homoletics just don’t do anything for me. Thanks for the effort though!
Gabbais stop giving out long misheberachs during shabbos davening!August 1, 2012 1:55 am at 1:55 am in reply to: Correction about Halacha of listening to music during meal #889274
Thank you Sam2. I’ll stay classy then.
Mistama towels and blankets aren’t considered a begged, even if “worn” as a pretend begged for a minimal amount of time. I assume if you turned it into a begged where it was no longer a towel or blanket then it would be a different shaila. I always had the kasha regarding those square, hooded, one-size-fits-all rain ponchos. I was told by a rabbi that since it’s made of plastic and isn’t shti v’erev that it doesn’t need tzitzis, but I haven’t confirmed it anywhere else. I’m not sure if barber robes are made the same way.
Sam2 – I don’t have that gemara available with all the necessary rishonim where I am currently. Can you please remind me what they say? I remember hearing a shiur once about this sugya, and how midvar sheker tirchak is only for a specific situation according to Beis Hillel (dayonim, was it?). What source does it come down to lemaskana? Is it from veahavta lereeacha kamocha? I’ve forgotten the shiur, but I would be delighted if you could re-teach the hakk to me. Sam2, I enjoy butting heads with you. I get to relearn much hashkafa and Torah that I’ve forgotten from our back and forths… Like that Yaakov was the one who stole the brachos, not Yitzchak 😉 Hahahah! Joking about that specific one, but thanks!
Good night.August 1, 2012 12:02 am at 12:02 am in reply to: Correction about Halacha of listening to music during meal #889270
I know this topic wasn’t addressed to me, but does this mean I can no longer sit down in my burgundy robe, with tobacco pipe in hand, in front of the hearth on a brisk winter afternoon and sip on a glass of fine White Zinfandel while listening to my Tchaikovsky record?
And I responded in kind 🙂
ItcheSrulik – lol on the word “circa”. I know it means “around”, and shares roots with “circle”. And I know it’s colloquially used to refer to a year date and not to a length of time. However, it was too tempting, and I couldn’t to avoid the inserting of some old school tongue in there.
Sam2 – That’s not really true. Egyptologists have to dig to uncover ruins in similar desert environments all the time. And they’re often in the middle of the abandoned desert, not in urban areas. Courtesy of the Discovery Channel. Yes, I grew up with a TV in the house, oy vey! Now that I think of it, many of these Egyptian ruins are less ancient than the story of Sdom, and even they got buried…. Kal vechomer baby!
… I think he was joking dude :/
Zahavasdad, there’s a difference. The certificate is a kavod offered to people with (alleged) knowledge of Torah, and names on a wall is kavod offered to people for financially supporting the learning of Torah. Either way, you get more schar if you avoid all kavod. You would think the first group would now be knowledgeable enough to know to refuse or avoid showing brandishing such a certificate, while there’s no reason to have this blanket assumption for the second group.
Dear workingharder, let’s please not lose our cool. Nobody claimed there’s no schar in learning daf yomi. The tainuh that many gedolim have against daf yomi is that it has cheapened the quality of limud haTorah in kllal Yisroel, and replaced it with hype, shtick, and superficial learning.
If you are someone who already knows how to learn then there’s no reason to spend your precious learning time skimming through a whole daf of Gemara. You should learn it properly, slowly, like a mensch, without skipping the havana and iyun- which is the ikar in learning.
Ela mai, you might be someone who isn’t well trained, and doesn’t know how to learn… Well instead of taking that little time you have out of your business day to go to a shiur that blows through a daf in an hour (which is the average daf shiur time), with little understanding, for the sake of “finishing Shas”, you should be going to a real shiur that trains you how to learn, and teaches you proper techniques in learning.
It’s not that there’s no schar in daf. There IS schar in daf, but you shouldn’t do daf for the same reason that yeshivah guys don’t have a seder for Tehillim recitations.
apushatayid – one of the only things that get me to lose my cool is when stupid people make stupid arguments. I just don’t have the patience for stupidity. I guess that’s plenty reason to avoid discussions… As fun as it may be to embarrass them.
I’ve always had trouble understanding this halacha in context with today’s technology. It’s a d’Rabanon so it has to make some sense. I understood the reason the Rabbis assurred it is because it would make us lose our focus on the aveilus, and that’s it’s not a chore that an avel wouldn’t do. So, I understand how back in the day, laundry wouldn’t be a weekly thing. You had to make your own detergent, or find money and go to the market and buy some. Then, it would be a shlep out to the river where you had to find a nice boulder to slam your clothes against for hours on end. Then, you would have to shlep back, this time, with heavy soaking wet clothes. Not to mention hanging them out to dry one by one, and then taking them down. It was a serious chore that took almost a day to complete.
Today, however, it’s a matter of pushing a few buttons and takes about 15-45 minutes of total work. Where’s the hessech hadaas from the aveilus? Answering a telephone call could take twice as long for some people, and yet that remains permissible. Could anyone please help me see this from a different perspective? I know we are not mevatel a gzeira d’rabanon just because the cause no longer applies, but it seems like we are ignoring the cause (ie: hesech daas from the aveilus, which applies to new things like phone calls and the like) and continuing on like lemmings with an irrelevant example of the central idea of the halacha. Not trying to be disrespectful, just trying to understand.
Lol.. Oops… brain slip. Thanks! As embarrassing as that mistake is, my point still stands.
Sam2- the Gemara is circa 2000 years old. Just bc it existed then, doesn’t mean it exists now. Also, look at all 2000 year old archaeology – it’s almost always covered by 10+ feet of earth. Things under 6 feet tall get buried very quickly.
Rabbi Mechanic is the man. Heard him speak a couple times in person. Fascinating.
Kozov – I wasn’t aware of that Gemara, thanks for informing me. I wonder if there are any mefarshim that hock on that halacha regarding sofek brachos. Still though, why would we assume that just because it was around 2,000 years ago, that it’s still around today?
Sam2, that’s not really the point. You can ask your local orthodox geologist about the necessary preconditions required to instantly fossilize large salt formations to withstand thousands of years of erosion (not to mention the fallout from an entire city being blown up right nearby). The point is; why assume it still exists?
Also, and again, I’m by no means a scientist, but I would assume salt formations that form slowly, over thousands of years, one grain at a time, are more likely to fossilize and harden than something that instantaneously turns into salt. I always imagined a consistency not unlike a chunk of salt that you sometimes get in table salt containers. But this second paragraph is all just my assumptions.
“????? ?? ??? ?????? ???? ???????? ???? ???? ????? ???? ?? ?????” That pasuk, and Shir HaShirim – although these aren’t tefillahs per se…
What if I don’t want a welcome? Is it mandatory? Do we have to go around the circle and introduce ourselves? I hate circles!
Thou shalt ignore the number “10”, in the title of this thread.
Sam2, don’t you find that a bomb kasha? Chazal matir a chamur issur such as lying, which they barely even sorta, kinda, almost allowed for shalom bayis (you’re supposed to try to twist the truth – not straight up lie), and all for the purpose of not answering one specific question. And yet, you would still find it permissible to ignore that unprecedented heter and answer the question? Even Yitzchak when going to get the brachos from Avraham didn’t straight up lie, he twisted the words… FOR THE BRACHOS!!!.. but it’s still okay to lie to avoid telling someone you learned shas, and you say that you don’t have to avoid the question?
Am I totally missing something?
I named mine Jeffery.
There’s one basic flawed assumption that everyone always makes when discussing this topic…
There’s nowhere in the Torah that says that the pillar of salt didn’t disintegrate immediately after Lot saw it. I don’t think it’s derech hatevah for woman-sized pillars of very brittle rock such as salt to last for thousands of years against the elements, and there’s no specific mention (that I’m aware of) that this one is the exception.
Sorry to burst everyone’s collective bubble.