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42, maybe that depends where you daven.
Hopefully, you daven in places where it’s uncommon to learn or daven from a phone, so it’ll be maris ayin (or at least an inyan of vihiyisem nikiim).
Kansas City, MO.
CTLAWYER’s Yankees defeated the Royals to get to the World Series three years in a row decades ago.
There are more ads for wines and wine stores.
TLIK, don’t forget about bechirah.
GM, who says he doesn’t? I wouldn’t expect anyone to post a list of their own shortcomings on the CR, but that doesn’t mean someone thinks they’re perfect and has nothing to be worked on.
I think it’s a very good thing to take a stand against dishonesty, even if there are differences of opinion as to what specific things fall into that category.
ZD, that’s partially because you can’t keep halachah if you violate technicalities, but you can keep dina d’malchusa if you violate laws which are on the books but not enforced.
CTL, you got it. 🙂
I think I do understand, I think you are equating halachah with dina d’malchusa.
Technically one who purchases something from out of state has to report it and pay sales tax, even if the seller is not required to pay.
This is rarely, if ever, enforced, but I’ve seen the forms to report purchase (use) tax. I think this is what NDG is referring to.
From the tax.ny.gov site:
Use Tax for Individuals (including Estates and Trusts)
Tax Bulletin ST-913 (TB-ST-913)
Printer-Friendly Version (PDF)
Issue Date: Updated February 19, 2016
Introduction
New York State and local sales taxes are imposed on taxable property and services purchased or delivered to you in New York State. In most instances, when you purchase a taxable item or service in the state, or if it is delivered to you in the state, the seller will collect sales tax from you. The seller then pays the tax over to the Tax Department.
Use tax is a tax imposed on taxable items or services used in New York when the sales tax has not been paid. If a sales tax has not been collected by the seller on a taxable sale, or when taxable items or services are used in New York and the New York sales tax has not been collected, you must report and pay tax directly to the Tax Department. This bulletin discusses the circumstances when a resident of New York State would be required to pay tax on these sales and uses. There is a distinction between sales tax that should have been paid and use tax. However, for purposes of simplicity, the tax required to be paid is referred to in this bulletin as use tax.
The following are common situations in which a New York State resident may owe use tax:
purchases of taxable property or services made outside of New York State;
purchases of taxable property or services made over the Internet, from catalogs, or by phone from businesses that are located outside of New York State;
purchases of taxable property or services on an Indian reservation;
purchases where the taxable property or services are used in a different local taxing jurisdiction in the state from where they were purchased or where they were delivered.
Gavra: I agree. Particularly with your last sentence.
Queen, either that, or the Dodgers moved.
I was wondering what ever happened to Constantinople.
Los Angeles, CA
Was once Brooklyn.
My understanding is that the bank needed the invoices for their paperwork, but knew what sales and expenses really were.
Again, on several levels, he shouldn’t have done it, but it wasn’t the outright deceipt and theft which would normally warrant such a draconian sentence.
No need for rudeness.
1. The halachah does not treat dina d’malchusa the same as our own halachah. It certainly doesn’t treat it any more literally than the government itself does.
2. Yes. I’m not sure what point you are trying to bring out; an issur based on a safek is still an issur.
The point I am trying to bring out is that halachah treats all technical issurim as issurim, but the government does not treat all technical violations as violations. They got Rubashkin (from what I’m told) on what is fairly normal business practice (the bank was not deceived in any way) because they wanted to get him.
You are nitpicking my example (wrongly, because in halachah we are machmir, while secular law is lenient), but my point is correct nonetheless.
If halachah and, l’havdil, secular law are treated the same in your eyes, I have no answer for you.
Do you similarly consider going 56 in a 55 zone the same as doing melachah one minute after shkiah on Friday evening?
He didn’t really defraud the bank, except perhaps on a technical level.
I was not thinking about (nor do I know) the specific wording used in a plea bargain.
If your concern is the wording, where do we draw the line? We often use wording which doesn’t reflect reality. A rhetorically sarcastic comment, a story, a joke, a quote, etc., sometimes do not reflect reality in their words, but in context, are often used in a completely non deceitful way. How many people click “I have read and accept the Terms and Conditions” for a program installation or online credit card application without actually having read it?
There are things mentioned here and in other discussions which I have specifically discussed with my posek, who said they are fine. I don’t think the implication that someone who doesn’t follow one particular mehalach is not a yashar is correct.
What do you consider “heavily”?
The things one says in court are not meant to represent truth, and therefore its like playing poker – would one need to represent the truth there?
Who’s, that’s taking things way too far. Of course you need to be truthful in court, despite the sad fact that lying in court is all too common.
You are right about a plea being a procedural issue, though. Nobody thinks you are actually admitting to anything.
CTLAWYER, we know the real reason you disinvited popa is because you’re afraid of how he’ll act, but trust me, I know popa better than you. He’s kidding; he’ll behave himself.
It’s not proof, true; your point about l’chatchilah vs. sha’as had’chak is a fair one, but the point is still true.
Plea bargaining means accepting punishment A for crime B (or for the accusation). It does not mean admitting to crime A.
When someone responds to a specific point, it doesn’t mean they have not heard other points. It only means they didn’t respond to it.
I brought up Rubashkin here only because the other thread was closed, and wanted to dispel possible motzi shem ra. Don’t use that against me; that’s unfair.
ZD, not necessarily. There could be huge amounts of money involved, yet the law is subject to interpretation, or, like your example of 56 in a 55 zone, mere technicality not usually enforced.
Thanks for bringing this up; I wanted to respond to lesschumras on Rubashkin, which according to my understanding falls into this category. The bank knew what the business was making, and was not defrauded, except on a technical level.
He still shouldn’t have done it, but they were out to get him.
Please bargaining is not sheker; it’s striking a deal which benefits both sides. Nobody actually thinks you’re really admitting to that lesser crime. I heard of one case where R’ Chaim Kanievsky advised someone (who I think he assumed innocent) to accept a plea bargain to minimize the chillul Hashem which would have come out of a trial.
I was once pulled over for a violation, and the cop wrote three summonses for one violation.
It wasn’t near my home, but I was able to plead guilty by mail on one if they would drop the other. It’s doubtful that mine was a unique case, it seems to be standard procedure to trump up charges in order to get a guilty plea.
We mentioned that one must declare his intention. Even though one feels that his chances for ferreting out the type of information he is seeking might be compromised by this declaration, he is obligated to announce his intentions.
The reasons for this are twofold:
1. Correct Intent:
2. What to Say, What Not to Say:
Another reason for specifying the intent of your question is so that the person who answers will know how to phrase his answer so that it meets the requirements of speaking for a constructive purpose.
Do you need to be a political genius to be able to take too much power? Or can you be a narcissistic egomaniac who knows how to rile up a crowd? Because that much we know about him.
My understanding is that what he did was accepted in the business world, and they got him on a technicality.
Apushatayid, unless he is shomer Torah umitzvos, I don’t think dan l’kaf z’chus applies.
You can call the police and have the car towed
Do you really think the car will be gone in an hour? You need to first get the police to come give a ticket, then after the car is ticketed, call the tow truck company.
Been there, done that. Not successfully.
BTW, halachah probably allows you to do that as well. Ask your Choshen Mishpat posek.
There’s no secular recourse in that case either.
there is no Halacha punishment for blocking my car in my driveway with his car
There is halachic recourse.
Asking Questions for a Shidduch
Since each and every one of us may be called upon to divulge information about someone for the purpose of a shidduch, it is crucial for us all to become familiar with the relevant halachos.
Oomis, the problem with saying “ask a rov” for this is that when you get a call, if you push it off, it may give off a negative impression. Better to have a decent working knowledge of the relevant halachos in advance, to avoid that when possible.
I don’t know if anything like that is happening.
I also don’t know that it isn’t, which is why I can’t vote for him.
Can you please link to that article?
When one is asked for information regarding a shidduch, one must be sensitive to the power wielded by every detail conveyed. Your words could easily be the sole cause of the shidduch being abandoned. Alternately, withholding crucial information could allow a shidduch to proceed, which might trigger great pain for all concerned.
The Chofetz Chaim Heritage Foundation has a Shidduch Guide, and they have been sending out portions in their daily email. I thought it might be beneficial to paste here. I’ll bl”n post each email as a separate post.
This article was written by Rabbi Moshe Mordechai Lowy, Rav of Agudath Yisrael of Toronto and the posek in Toronto for halachic inquiries concerning Shmiras Haloshon. This article was approved for halachic accuracy by HaRav Hillel Zaks, Shlita.
A Guide to Getting and Giving Information
Since each and every one of us may be called upon at any time to divulge information about an individual or a family in regard to a shidduch, it is obligatory for us to become acquainted with the halachos of what is permissible for us to say and what is not. Furthermore, it is essential to know how to properly transmit those details deemed halachicly appropriate and how to obtain critical information ourselves when the need arises. Finally, it is imperative to know when to convey information. What is permissible to relay in the early stages of the shidduch process may actually be prohibited further along in the procedure without permission from a rav.
Yeah, for example, I’m offended that he invited popa and not me.
Goq, don’t do this to us!
Popa was invited?
Rhode Island, USA
Surrounded by water
Geordie, you responded to the wrong post.
Who can be drunk?
That’s in Alaska, BTW.
I think popa’s post put them over the top.
London, England
London Fog was founded in the 1920’s but didn’t start selling raincoats in the UK until the 90’s.
Lancaster, PA
One of the oldest inland towns in the United States
CopyMachine, you should give a brief tidbit about LOL.
Which is worse, Canada or New Square?
If the formula changes and it is truly a dairy product and one erroneously thinks it is DE is in my opinion a bigger problem
That can actually happen if someone decides that something is really just DE without asking.
I am staring at a box of Cheerios which is 100% pareve but has a plain OU. I think it is the company’s choice.
Actually, I think there should be a DE, I just don’t think we can kill them on that one.
I think their position on English Muffins doesn’t make sense; I have written about this before. Maybe it’s because they’re zionists.
Why do I need to know her name? If it works out, she’s going to change it anyhow.
How about ping-pong?