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Golfer, the real truth is that your title is more befitting Syag’s post.
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England, home of milchig bread with nooks and crannies.
And if you put the butter on earlier, you could solve the problem.
And if you didn’t keep the butter in the freezer, it would melt faster.
That depends on how you define the shidduch crisis.
It should – lo plug. If it’s all used the day it’s baked, it’s okay, though.
That’s the English Muffin theory of the shidduch crisis – that the age gap theory has too many nooks and crannies in it.
I eat the frozen with a hechsher (I forgot which one – I haven’t in a while), blende, or fresh, if washed properly AND blended into a smoothie or peeled. That’s also not common for me.
Fiber One makes parve English Muffins. There are pas Yisroel ones with a special sticker.
If you are a communist, how can you not vote for Bernie Sanders?
If you like the sound of fingernails on a chalkboard, how can you not vote for Hilary Clinton?
If you want to nuke China, how can you not vote for Donald Trump?
Does it say sour cream in the ingredients?
I’m not talking about repeating – I think whether or not the OU should use DE, and the reasons for each position, is not where this thread was.
I think the concern is not intentionally mixing it up. The OU’s job isn’t to force people to keep kosher against their will.
I think their concern is that people will think DE needs only be treated as milchig as a chumra, or that the only problem is actually cooking it with meat.
I would guess that they changed that policy because of cases that people were nichshol, not b’meizid, but b’shogeig.
You can’t anticipate and prevent every possible mishap, but I guess that within reason, they try to do what they can.
Okay, I see your objection. I never took the word criminal in this discussion to be literal. See the last paragraph in this post: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/divorce-is-worse-than-a-difficult-marriage/page/3#post-604145.
I think (and have unfortunately seen close-up how) it devastates the children, and with enough effort from both spouses, most marriages probably could be salvaged, so the word criminal, used rhetorically, makes sense.
I am not saying his percentages are correct, I was just asking you how you knew they were incorrect.
How is it not preventing accidental transgression?
They would want plain OUD so that they don’t need to print new labels if they switch. My question is if they should have a say. If not, there’s a risk they’ll go without OU.
Also, even if they brought back DE, what if Nabico wanted to put plain OUD on it?
bring back DE
Then people will eat it with fleishig.
And one person will eat it with fleishig and then start a thread in the CR saying how unreliable they are.
They can’t win.
Some of Rav Miller’s views are indeed not considered normative, e.g. his views on voting.
That being said, calling usecof the word “get” apikosus is clearly rhetorical, not literal.
NC, what do you want the OU to do? Do you want them to refuse to give a hechsher to creamer which says Non-Dairy on it? Should they not allow Oreos to have a D on it? Should they not disclose that the only issue is equipment?
CM, aren’t Oreos already a dairy allergy sensitive product?
Of course, but these types of arguments are used all the time – not ready to decide who to go out with = not ready to get married, not ready to date without a shadchan = not ready to get married, etc., and they’re not true. The question is only if they’re ready to get married, and nothing else.
every person is differnt,
True, some people feel that as soon as kids are old enough to ride a bike without training wheels, they’re old enough to get married.
I disagree with long courtships/engagement not being a tznius issue (taharas hamishpachah is a very bad analogy), and I disagree with this having any shaychus whatsoever with the divorce rate.
I’m not going to quibble about whether there should be six, eight, or ten dates, but I think it is something decided on an individual basis and there shouldn’t be preconceived notions – not that you need ten, and not that a decision must be made after six. At a certain point, though, there is no benefit, and only risk.
I think if there’s a good shadchan, the longer they stay involved, the better chance the shidduch has to succeed.
Oh, and I despise artificial analogies about age. As far as I’m concerned, if you’re old enough to drive, you’re old enough to get married. Or maybe, if you’re not old enough to receive social security, you’re not old enough to get married – I forget which.
OURtorah and writersoul: Dating for a year isn’t going to fix the problem. Goyim actually move in with each other to ‘try it out’ and many of them end up divorcing anyway after they marry.
The path to a happy and healthy marriage is happy and healthy people. Not how long you date.
Maskim. Whatever anecdotal evidence there might be would, if anything, indicate a correlation between higher divorce rates and longer dating.
about a third were the mutual fault of both parties and a third were the fault of the husband and a third the wife.
Didn’t Rav Avigdor Miller zt”l say that 99% of the time, it’s the woman’s fault?
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…and 90% of the time, it’s the man’s fault?
Maybe we were a lot more okay seven years ago.
I’m so glad I guessed right and was able to help.
Mazel Tov, may you be zochah to build a bayis ne’eman.
How about Eishes Chayil from New York School of Jewish Song Volume 2?
That is correct.
Had she really felt that leaving him was necessary even if there were no hope she would ever remarry, he would not have made his point.
The implication is that had she felt that way, she would have done more to salvage the marriage.
They should post on this thread, but that’s not my point of contention with you.
You have not disagreed with me that their faults notwithstanding, one can still rely on them to purchase a product or eat in a restaurant, so your thread is mislabeled.
I think if the label actually said pareve, or if it wasn’t a product which consumers normally associate with being milchig, they would have made a recall.
Even if you disagree with their method of dealing with the mistake, your title is misleading (l’shitascha) because it implies that you think people should not eat OU products. Correct me if I’m wrong, but it doesn’t seem to me that you actually think that, just that you think the OU should change their policies.
Oh, and restaurants.
I would add that in a genuine case of abuse, it may not be the fault of the abused, but it certainly is the fault of the abuser, and the term criminal becomes much closer to, if not actually, literal.
Of course there are differences. If labeling is the issue, an alert consumer can catch it. Also, as I mentioned, restaurants and catering would be a nafka mina.
This, by the way, would be the perfect thread to admit that you were wrong (not about Dirty Chips, about Jolly Ranchers).
There are different types of unreliable. Mislabeling (for whatever reason) ? mistakes in halachah or poor supervision.
Do you eat in OU restaurants? According to your misleading title (l’shitascha), you shouldn’t.
Popa=OU.
I was going to post the following thread:
Popa is just as unreliable as the OU
See, he blames the OU for people stupidly carelessly skimming labels, but his thread essentially did the same thing! He titled his thread: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/ou-kashrus-is-not-reliable, and if you actually read what he wrote, he is is not claiming the standards of halachah or supervision are subpar, rather he is taking them to task for labeling and information dissemination issues.
Sure enough, people stupidly read only the title and accused popa of defaming the OU’s actual level of kashrus.
He should work for the OU.
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I didn’t post it, though, because I really do believe in Hashem and right and wrong.
But I still want you to know how clever I am. So I posted it here.
Again, here is the link to the article:
Dating Questions Posed to Rav Chaim Kanievsky Shlita and Rav Aron Leib Shteinman Shlita
Here are the key words:
– Rav Shteinman
The clear meaning seems to be that the reason she wanted a divorce wasn’t to find a better husband, but to escape a bad marriage. However, rather than try to make the best of it and try to fix the marriage, she figured she’d get divorced and remarried, and now regrets that she didn’t stay in the marriage and try to work on it.
The obvious lesson R’ Shteinman is trying to impart is that one should do their utmost to fix a an unpleasant marriage rather than leave, and wouldn’t likely be telling the story if he didn’t feel it was a common occurrence.
The word criminal (which R’ Shteinman is not quoted as using) is obviously an exaggeration, but the negative effect on children is known, and in cases (whatever the percentages may be) where parents took what they thought was the easier way out when they could have fixed the marriage through hard work, they do bear responsibility.
SDD, nothing. Those two posts are entirely consistent. I think calling it a rip-off is an exaggeration.
It’s annoying, infuriating, greedy, and likely will drive away business.
If you know the deal in advance, it’s not technically a rip off, although I understand why people feel that way. What I don’t get, though, is how it’s antisemitic. Was that tongue in cheek?
Also, will throwing a bag over it mess it up? 😉
Golfer, it’s 97.3%.
I guess I was surprised that Wolf wasn’t in the 2.7%.
Yichusdik, you still haven’t explained how you know it’s wrong.
Mazel Tov, may you be zocheh to build a bayis ne’eman, and may He heal all wounds.
What’s the rip off?
Wolf,
Your situation was exceptional. You can’t build a rule from it.
I’m also surprised that you haven’t taken yichusdik to task for his ad hominem attack, which seems to be a third of his argument.
Yichusdik, #1 is irrelevant to the actual discussion. Credibility is an issue only when you need to take his word for it.
#2, Second, he made the false, absurd, and infuriating assertion that almost every divorce is criminal.
I don’t know how you know it’s false and absurd. If both parties would work hard, it’s very possible (although I honestly don’t know for sure) that the majority could be salvaged. It’s infuriating to divorced people because it seems to implicate them, but, a) they may be in the 5% b) it might be that they were not to blame, only the other spouse c) the point isn’t supposed to be laying blame, but motivating both parties to do their best to work things out for the kids’ benefit.
#3, I disagree, it could just be carelessness, and spouses/parents need to know how damaging it is.
Your answer, though, is only partial. You didn’t (and certainly don’t need to if you don’t want to) explain the inspiration for the name wherever you used it first.
Joseph, do you actually think that Rav Steinman was talking about an abusive husband?
Yichusdik, I have no idea what you are railing against, other than the name Joseph.
R’ Steinman is simply telling people that they need to try working on their marriages, not just blame the other, and they’ll be happier for it. What is remotely controversial about that?
Of course second marriages have a higher divorce rate than first marriages.
They’re mostly populated by people who already had a failed marriage.
Trains cause global warming.
So today, I was popa.
I sat on a chair and it collapsed.
It was nice to see that there was something else in the room with a screw loose.
I like cholent.