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When it makes sense to lay blame like here, not when it doesn’t, like in any ridiculous example you choose to use.
And see my point to Sam above (which should be obvious and and I think I’ve been saying all along).
Charlie, the word “familia” is the same word we normally pronounce “pamalya” (see http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/two-groaners) and is often found referring to the Heavenly Court, called “pamalya shel ma’alah”, and appears in the famous song “Kad Yasvun” attributed to the Vilna Gaon.
ZD, yes, he’s referring to Old French when he says “???”?”.
Veltz, you spelled it wrong. If you had studied Latin, you’d know it was “Familia” Delay.
I would like to posit that studying additional Torah for tens of thousands of hours would probably also lead to figuring out at least one minor detail.
For example, were he learning Talmud Yerushshalmi Sotah, and he came across the word “familia” and wasn’t sure if it included non family members of the household or not, he could spend hours studying Latin to figure it out, or hours learning Gemara, and having come across gemaras in Chullin and Sanhedrin using the same term, also figured it out.
Charlie, where is that gemara?
Whats with the title of the thread?
That would be a whole different deal
Why is it so different?
Do you know that’s the halacha, or are you theorizing how you would make the halacha if you were Hashem?
HKB”H didn’t lie to Avraham for sholom, he merely didn’t repeat everything.
When Yaakov misled Yitchok about his identity, he said it in a way which was not an outright lie, but had two connotations.
So we do, in fact find that even where it’s muttar to lie, it’s best to minimize.
Avi, see above.
Well, it wouldn’t because it would defeat the purpose
Precisely. It’s about weighing the benefits vs. the risk/loss, and the same holds true for locking ourselves up or disguising ourselves.
Walking up to the temple mount is not the same as someone yelling in a religious ferver kill the jews
Indeed it is not. The cleric has a great deal more culpability, but the terrorist being guilty does not absolve him. Nor does it absolve the one who goes to HH”B of his (lesser) culpability.
Sam, I disagree. Secular knowledge can be useful to understand Torah, but the Torah itself must remain unadulterated.
You are not merely tasting the bagel, you are tasting the cream cheese.
Sam, the words of Torah are ?????? ???? ????? ????? on their own.
an altah bochur who… would tell his wife
That guy is such an oxy-moron.
Just curious, all those who say that since it’s the terrorists’ fault, there’s no culpability for incitement: do you hold the muslim clerics who get up in public, waving a knife screaming to kill the Jews, responsible, or are they entirely blameless if they do no actual stabbing?
ZD, no I’m not. This is at least the third time here you have expressed a different view in my name than I actually hold.
Popa, not smart if you’re going to get caught. Far smarter to not do the offensive thing to begin with so you don’t have to lie.
Sam, so you would have us all kill ourselves?
If someone knowingly does something which is likely to lead to harm to others, of course they take some blame and culpability when it happens.
Avi, while you’re correct that not telling her technically will avoid shalom bayis issues in the short term, long term, it’s a recipe for disaster.
Also, a piece of kugel is not the same as another woman.
Also, Goq’s first point about the slippery slope stands.
Kolmevasser drove a chashuv’ah rebbitzen who was decades older. That’s a huge factor. Apparently the rebbitzen a”h had a fine sense of humor.
Not all of us are gvirim and can afford the five cents.
I went to a wedding on Sunday and the music was too loud. I decided to come on YWN and complain. So take that.
You’re not the first to do that.
AIY, or, more simply tell her, “sorry, my rav says it’s an issue”.
This is about sholom bayis, but it is also about a common sense (which is unfortunately not common enough) geder which would be irresponsible and dangerous to not keep, even if there were no objections.
Ubiquitin, where’s you double blind control study for that?
I don’t think anyone claims that the terrorists are not responsible, but someone who incites also bears some responsibility, obviously not nearly as much.
Haga atzmicha – if there were double blind control studies demonstrating the increase in violence due to ascension to HH”B, would it be okay since the blame is anyhow solely on the terrorists?
IN this type of scenario (which both are expected to be in specific places at specific times) that is not a Chashash.
I don’t think anyone would notice if they were once five minutes late.
I almost totally agree with popa. I don’t have a problem with a one time situation, if an honest assessment is made that they can remain completely professional. I also think that some people would say not do it even once, and I think that’s also okay.
On a regular basis? You’re asking for trouble.
Kids have played in traffic without being killed – fact
People have been killed without playing in traffic – fact
Of course halachah defines sakanah, and your example in no way disproves that.
I don’t need to consult Shulchan Aruch to know that I need to eat a k’zayis of matzah on Pesach, but the shiur achilah is still defined by halachah.
I suppose that if you don’t know the difference between self-defense and provocation, my approach is inconsistent.
Can we at least agree that MO Rabbonim definitely are following/teaching a very valid derech?
Not necessarily, it depends on how you define valid, and it probably depends on how you define “MO Rabbonim” (e.g. do you include Avi Weiss, Ari Hart, etc.).
The fact that you’re guessing completely wrong should indicate how faulty your thinking is.
That’s actually what I originally said, but it seems that bleeding is inherently bad, so unless there’s a tikkun, it’s mekalkel. That nafka mina is that even according to the shittah that ???”? is chayav, mekalkel is pattur.
You only took issue with that? I took bigger issue with the notion that anyone here doesn’t think it’s important to feel joy.
I’m thinking now that it might indeed be d’Oraisa. The practitioner needs to see blood return to know that the vein has been properly accessed, so even though you don’t actually need the blood, you need to see the bleeding, so it’s a tikkun.
Of course. Hakazas dam is the intentional loss of blood for a tikkun, and while the IV itself is certainly a tikkun, the inevitable loss of blood is of no benefit and is in fact a kilkul.
I have never seen a MO family NOT give all their children Hebrew names.
I think the point being made is about what they’re called.
It is asur to do so. If someone is shomer Shabat they are trusted in kashrut.
Of course it isn’t. Firstly, the din of eid echad ne’eman b’issurim doesn’t make it assur to ask. More importantly, trustworthiness only goes as far as that person’s standards, but he is not automatically trusted to keep the standards of his guest, particularly if he is not familiar with them.
That is actually why MO numbers have not been growing.
That’s part, not all, of the reason.
However, she is anything but shomer negiah as she is a doctor!
Chas v’chalilah! Would you call a Hatzolah member not shomer Shabbos?
The broader heter is tarud b’umnaso, otherwise it would be limited to life threatening situations.
many poskim (even modern ones) forbid or question women dancing with sifrei torah.
Who, and on what basis other than tampering with minhagim?
If a study conclusively showed that ruba d’ruba, rov, or miut hamatzui of modern orthodox people did these things, then I’d agree that the movement as a whole can be thoroughly criticized, and any individual can be muchzak to do those things.
Why? Why can’t individuals be judged on their own merits?
Of course you won’t eat from or count for a minyan someone who isn’t shomer Shabbos.
I’m talking about people who are shomer Shabbos, but aren’t shomer other things.
The din probably is that if they’re not mechallel b’farhesia, they can be counted, and can be trusted. My point is that Sam was wrong that people who aren’t fully shomer mitzvos aren’t trusted.
I think the thread title and your post are two different questions. I don’t know if there’s an answer to which is “best”; I’m sure they all have their maalos and perhaps chesronos, and which is best for your son is impossible for anyone to answer without knowing your son.
Discuss it with his rebbeim.
I think it’s relatively not that often (certain mesechtos are worse regarding girsaos) and yes, we assume there was a flaw in the transmission.
No. That’s ridiculous.
I don’t think that’s generally true. I think they will eat in their houses, count them for a minyan, etc.
I would.
This isn’t hakazas dam.
Double vision is also a problem.
Double vision is also a problem.