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LU, I think the two threads are very similar, and that listing a bunch of posters in a positive way (want to meet, praise, etc.) is likely to cause hurt feelings.
Shopping, I’m not saying I agree with the thinking behind posting the video and complaining, I’m trying to help you understand the possibile mindset.
Of course it’s not abusive. Throwing the word abuse around for a situation such as this belittles genuine abuse; it’s like the leberals do with the word racism.
Ubiquitin, interesting that you agreed with #2, yet added to #1 that there’s confusion about chumra vs. halachah. If the standards in a certain place are a certain way, going below those standards becomes a violation of halachah.
I’m not saying that’s necessarily the case here, but neither do we know that this was presented as halachah.
I think there’s no question that how someone wears their hair can be tzniusdik or untzniusdik (aside from the chiyuv for married women to cover it), and despite the fact that there’s no specific halachah addressing it, it can be a violation of tznius to wear the hair a certain way, depending on the minhag hamakom.
Someone may feel that a specific number is arbitrary, but there has to be a line somewhere.
DY says (tongue in cheek?) that the cause is whatever your pet peeve is.
I’m pretty sure nobody blames OTD on things being done the way they want it to.
LB, if indeed you are referring to what GH wrote, the issue is that some refrain from benefitting from electricity powered devices, even if turned on before Shabbos, where there’s a concern that a Jew did melacha on Shabbos to maintain the power supply.
“Kosher” electricity would be, as GH described, electricity free of this concern.
1. Several reasons, including insecurity about their own frumkeit, genuine concern for the girls, anger at authority, and I’m sure others.
2. Rabbi Yair Hoffman. If you have a list of sources, please post them.
The truth is, that in areas regarding tznius, there is a lot which is based on perception and context. I would guess that a good percentage of posters in the CR (or family members) have certain sensitivities in tznius which are not found in Shulchan Aruch, but as soon as it’s a certain amount beyond what someone is used to, it becomes a silly chumra.
3. I’m sure it’s not comfortable, and people like to exaggerate.
4. It’s not easy to get into schools in Lakewood. Also, if in fact the girls were humiliated (which I’m not accepting based on what I’ve seen), the fact that there may be other choices isn’t an excuse.
5. I don’t think people expect the principals to read YWN, they just want to vent.
6. Some people don’t know the school, and others are too cowardly.
7. OTD has been proven to be caused by whatever happens to be your pet peeves. Same with the shidduch crisis.The reason musicians turn up the volume is because the bochurim like it that way, and they’re trying to get some to book them for their chasunas.
Please explain kosher electricity in layman’s terms.
It’s electricity without wires or current. For example, a piece of challah, or gefilte fish, or a sefer.
It is muttar to eat challah and gefilte fish on Shabbos, or to look at a sefer.
Coffee I can’t believe you have a kid that old!
I wonder how old, but don’t want to put CA on the spot. In younger grades, it’s not usually departmentalized. (unrelated point) I believe studies have shown no benefit to homework in younger grades.
My kids have gone to schools with a system in place for all that.
I’m curious as to what system that is. I thought of two approaches, but don’t know how feasible they are in reality; either a principal can see all assignments and tell teachers to adjust as necessary, or each teacher can be allotted a cerain amount of time (e.g 3-5 minutes).
By negative reaction, it is referring to someone speaking badly about the person. This halacha is brought from Klal 9, seif 2. If you look it up, you will see that the Chofetz Chaim writes is that it’s a problem if someone might speak about him negatively.
If someone does post a negative response, but the moderators don’t let it through, is that included?
Is the shidduch crisis a hoax?
That depends how to define “the shidduch crisis”.
Ubiquitin: Well said. That’s what I was thinking; you explained it well.
Also, don’t feel bad. Had I made my list, I definitely would have considered putting you on it. 😉
(I would have to first price a bullet proof vest….)Only part of Klal Yisroel’s chachomim forbid it.
Punkt the segment of Klal Yisroel which has the disparity issue.
The present chachomim don’t want to rescind the ban to “solve” the shidduch crisis only to make a much worse sholom bayis crisis.
LU, have you changed your mind?
there’s a very good chance that this is a very bad idea.
There’s a very good chance that that’s a very good point.
Hashem allows Klal Yisroel to marry two (or more) wives. That’s Hashem’s solution to the shidduch crisis.
He also said we need to follow our chachomim. Since they forbid it, that’s obviously not Hashem’s solution.
Haimy, how are you defining “the shidduch crisis”?
The title is a totally different question than the OP.
@DY If there is a decent argument, feel free to make it.
Done. As far as being obligatory, we pasken not, but it’s a big sugya, and in fact, though not requiring it, the Mishnah Berurah praises the practice if it doesn’t interfere with keeping the zmanim. (See below.)
There’s also a very widespread practice to toivel before the Yomim Noraim and Yomim Tovim.
(I know showering might be 9 kavin, but it isn’t usually, and still, mikveh is preferred, so the reasoning still applies).
Midwesterner, it makes no difference why men are toiveling. Whatever the reason is, a shower doesn’t do the job. So the chashash that someone will replace tevilah with a shower is relevant in any case a mikvah is required, whether it be tumah, tevilas Ezra, Kabbalah reasons, anashim or nashim.
Iacisrmma, yes, and I know it’s based on the gemara you mentioned.
Midwesterner: But I would say that a much more significant number of boys get engaged in the first one or two girls, than girls do.
Because there are so fewer of them…
I think you’re right that there’s a further imbalance caused by the fact that it’s so much easier to look for a top boy than to be one (I think that’s the same phenomenon you described).
But that’s clearly not the only issue, there is also a demographic issue, and the fact that the demographic disparity is exacerbated by other factors is only more of a reason to try and address it, not less of a reason.
The cause is one and only one thing – a difference of numbers entering the pool.
Nonsense. Don’t be so narrow as to be blinded to other factors which, in conjunction with age gap, contribute to the problem.
For someone who complained earlier that nobody answers you without insulting you, you certainly come across as pretty insulting yourself – not just to me, but to all of yeshiva society.
Since, despite your years of trolling the internet fighting and debasing gedolim on this issue, you claim not to want to get sucked into a mindless debate, I won’t respond point by point, I’ll just reassert that I did answer your questions, just not on your terms.
That’s fine, I’m sure you’re used to people not changing their minds based on internet dialogue.
3. You wrote that you didn’t make it up, so what is your source?
It’s brought in several places, offhand Rashi on the first Mishnah in sixth perek in Avos, that a tzaddik is one who keeps the letter of the law, and a chossid is one who goes beyond it.
Translation, please?
Whatever
This thread is WWIII
No, WWIV. WWIII was Harvey.
He said maaseh soton, not mamash soton.
And I also agree. It’s hard to find a better example of a slippery slope.
This is a film produced by and primarily for secular people, and even if the content is 100% appropriate (I don’t know if it is or isn’t, and I don’t usually take the word of someone willing to expose themselves to the unknown), I wouldn’t want to cross that line.
Good points, but for the record, flip phones often do have internet access.
The gedolim, by and large, do NOT support this theory, and even more so, they emphatically do NOT support the solution offered.
Some do, and some don’t, support some of the proposed solutions, but I find it hard to believe that many don’t “support the theory”. You acknowledge that the starting point in shidduchim is four years apart. Is there any evidence to suggest that the actual gap id significantly less? Almost all available evidence (anecdotal and otherwise) suggests that there are indeed many more girls than boys. It’s silly to pretend otherwise.
Right now, the only ads I’m seeing are suggesting that boys consider going out earlier, and shadchanim redting to them earlier, if their parents and rebbeim feel they’re ready. What’s the harm? Are you against them following their rebbeim? If their rebbeim are against it, it’ll be as it has been, with the difference perhaps being that the boys are more open minded to girls closer to their age or even older. Again, what’s the harm? Nobody is forcing anything on anyone.
See ש”ך at the end of ר”א. There’s a decent argument to be made that it would apply to today’s men’s טבילה.
ChanieE, I was referring to price gouging in general, then mentioned that Best Buy in particular wasn’t necessarily engaging in price gouging.
Best Buy’s explanation is plausible. They don’t sell water by the case, so there was no case price, just a per bottle price.
ChanieE, there are two issues; ethics and PR.
Ethically, some say it’s fine to charge what you can, and some say it’s unethical to take advantage of a disaster this way.
I think even the second group would agree that if the higher prices are due to higher cost of obtaining the goods, not just because they can get it, that’s ethical.
PR wise, that may or may not fly, depending on how it’s presented to the customers.
Whatever
You are stuck on the idea that the gedolim are supporting this theory.
It happens to be true, whether I’ve satisfactorily proven it to you or not, but regardless, “the gizeira of the situation the singles are presently finding themselves in. For all the various reasons they are in it” doesn’t make sense from someone who claims there’s no shidduch crisis.
So says you.
The talmidei chachomim advising those involved disagree.
No they won’t. Why would they thank me for spending a ton of money to buy an iPhone only to throw it out as soon as it arrives? Maybe if I would sell one on ebay for a profit and buy them something they’d appreciate it.
If you’re one of those mothers (I’m not saying you are) who diverts attention you would otherwise spend on your kids on your phone, they certainly will. They probably won’t express it as such, though.
I (and mechanchim I’ve spoken to) see it as one of our greatest displays of a lacking of emunah and awareness of Gd among torah true yidden.
Really now? Was R’ Shmuel Berenbaum zt”l (there was a meeting in his house…), R’ Chaim Stein zt”l (he referred to this as a terrible gezeirah), and other gedolim and mechanchim from katnei emunah ch”v?
Being concerned about, and especially taking achrayus for an issue that affects the tzibur, is not a chisaron in emunah.
They don’t have to learn, they just have to smoke.
I did point out Ma’ase Avos Siman L’Banim – we’re supposed to learn from the actions of the Avos how to act; all the Avos married girls younger then they were – not older. Yosef married a girl younger than himself, as did Moshe, Aharon – I can go on and on, straight through Tanach. We’re any of Dovid’s 18 wives older than him? Do you know of a Tana or Amorah that married an older girl – how about from the Geonim or Rishonim?
Chazal also say shemoneh esreh l’chupah. Do you advocate that as well?
and we’ll work on finding people to fix our friends up with.
Did someone say or imply not to?
I just can’t help my desire to carve people’s initials into the trunk of my neighbor’s tree.
Then you’re weird, and shouldn’t hold a knife.
Otherwise social media would be full of “What the ***??? I went to fill up my tank and the attendant was just like ‘sorry, 5 gallons per customer’. I am never shopping at XXXX again”
Meh, not worse then the outrage if they would price gouge, or even if they would run out.
It shouldn’t be too hard to explain rationing when there’s a shortage.
Meno, could it be they just weren’t offering the case price, just the per bottle price?
How, pray tell?
Limit per customer, like they have on some sale items.
The only reason they would limit someone’s purchase would be out of the goodness of their heart
In states without a law preventing it, the only motivation for a store not to price gouge would be because it’s bad PR. Similarly, it would be good PR to limit the amount per customer, to look like good citizens.
You can ration without price gouging.
they have already caused massive cultural changes; affecting the way people interact with others, how they ingest and consume information, and how they raise children.
Yes, and TLIK seems to neglect the point that filtering inappropriate content doesn’t really address that.
DY- dangers also exist with knives and cars. we need education how to use phones not a ban.
Yes, but it’s not the same yetzer hora.