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coffee addict – I am in Eretz Yisroel and I am NOT in galus.
People feel guilty ignoring a very central part of Torah so they make up all kinds of hashkafos that make all lands equal.
They think we’re so dumb – they think that making a frumkeit out of staying their comfort zone is going to get them Tzaddik status.What are you trying to prove?
That there is no longer a Mitzva of Yishuv Eretz Yisroel?
That America and Israel are the same?
If so, think you need to revise your siddur.Thank you Bayit Beitar.
I’m so sick of hearing ” Oy we’re in golus….were in golus!
Its such a mockery.
Its because the golus is so sweet and fun and lucrative and people have a hard time leaving it and then sometimes things in thier sweet haven go haywire and they cry out golus golus!! lets get real. Eretz Yisrael is geographically NOT golus. So if you are here you are NOT in golus. The Geula is on its way and we are in the throes of labor pains – as Rav Shtrenbuch said – and many others. Golus is being in Europe during WW2 and having no where to go! Thats golus! But throwing a tantrum because you discovered that your goldene medina is only gold plated and the plating is rubbing off and then crying wolf will get you no sympathy! If its so rough in “golus” then come home. But no, no way. At “home” there is this problem and that problem and “imposters ” are squatting in my home (secular zionists) and rockers are flying and its scary – so I’m not going there. Well, you guys in “golus” may be in for a very unpleasant surprise! You expect to come “home” after its completely “renovated”??? Well it doesnt work like that. Mom & Pop (Hashem – who is also zachar and also Nekaiva) is sending us messages thru out neighbors that we need your help with the “renovations” – to build strong Torah Communities in EY but we are systematically totally ignoring those messages so they are getting louder . Like NYED – so you fight that and win so Hashem sends Mamdani and you all move to Florida but fail to read the handwrtiing on the wall. Bottom line – The story about the little boy who cried golus didnt end very well. Come home and take your part in the return to Tzion. Send representatives to build elementary schools, high schools, bais Yaakovs, Mesivtas, proper employment oppurtunities, housing etc. All of the foundations are in place- you just need to come and do it! People mamash by the toil of their brow have opened beautiful mosdos that far surpas your mosdos in your delusional golus and you just need to copy. They ve done all the hard work – fought thru the red tape etc. And all the shtusim about Zionist Avodah Zara is so funny it hurts. כל הפוסל בממומו פוסל chazal explicity have taught us that a person who resides out side of EY is af if he is an idolater so pleas ecut the ridiculousness. At least admit the truth – ITs hard to leave the comfortable golus and Hashem will help!!Yasher koach for opening this issue.
Its high time we stopped sweeping the elephant in the room under the carpet.
The example of the goyim’s reaction is the best proof that this has gotten out of hand.
They arent Nogaya Badavar.
Maybe the hat/tichel over sheitel can be a good compromise.
I guess depending on the sheitel underneath the hat.so then Americans shouldnt choose their president. They are נוגע בדבר
No democracy should allow their citizens to vote, they are all נוגע בדבר
there should be no parents’ board in schools because they are נוגע בדבר
etc etc etc.Beautiful Malbim. Thanks for sharing!
Yaakov Yosef A – thats exactly it! Anti- zionists no longer exist in EY because those people are no longer zionists. There has been a huge shift in ideology in the left. If there used to be “ideology” they are mamash רחמנא לצלן on their last leg, on their way out and they are screaming louder than ever before their demise (ideologic demise). Its a huge rachmanus on them.
If you don’t live in EY, you have no idea whats going on. Like YYA mentioned the many layers of society and there are real true tzadikim in every group.
You are also missing out seeing EY develop in leaps and bounds! Its unbelievable! We are under existential threat from all sides and within EY neighborhoods are blooming, developing and blossoming!!Rav Chaim Kanievsky TZ”L was telling people for years to come live in EY.
American jews can do a lot to bridge the gaps in Israeli society. They can be very successful in kiruv because the standard Isreali sees the Americans as different and are more willing to hear from them.
As was written in different thread, the name Zionists was hijacked, true identity theft!
The word zionist needs to be redefined and brought back home into the fold.
A zionist is someone who loves Tzion, someone who cares about what happens in EY and tries to improve whatever needs to be improved. And why should people care? seriously, we were zoche to get an amazing golus in America. because אוהב ה, ציון מכל משכנות יעקב We love Tzion because Hashem chose Tzion – any other reason is just perks.Rachmanus on people who think America is the end all and be all. You are missing the largest scale unfolding drama on Earth….Hashem is returning to Tzion!! It cant be easy, nothing done for kedusha is easy. there are always מניעות. Fellow jews in the diaspora Open your Eyes!! be part of something much bigger!
On that note I would like to wish Mazel Tov to the Ribbono Shel olam!
mazel tov! mazel Tov! mazel Tov!
After 2000 years your children have returned to daven at the Srid beis Mikdasheynu.
Soemthing that was but a dream not so long ago is a fact of life for Jews all over the world (and non-jews as well)
A person living in Yerushalayim and has to make the decision in the morning, Do I have enough time to daven Shachris at the Kotel ( = Kosel, for those of you who don’t know what the Kotel is) this morning? Tell that to our Bubbas and Zaydes a 100 years ago. They wouldn’t have believed it!
How can we take this for granted? How can we be nonchalant and be totally unaware of the enormity of today!
I want to bench the Ribbono Shel Olam on his Yom Tov. May You see all your children coming back to live near you bikorov and may they come bisimchah, Kommimiyus כספת וזהבם איתם) May they come because they want to be near their great Father (and not because they WOKE up.) May they fulfill all the Mitzvos Bsimchah! And may you shower upon them all your infinite love bimhairah biyomeinu!The chinuch issue can be solved in a few months.
People have to shift gears and WANT to solve that issue.
As I wrote above – Its a matter of earmarking funds to building up the proper Institutions that will service the Chareidi Anglo community in EY
There are already many excellent such mosdos in EY but there would be a need for many more when US Jewry Makes Aliyah en masse , hopefully מרצון.
I absolutely cant understand all these new buildings for mosdos that are going up in the US.
Why are people putting their money on קרך הצבי.?
Look into Rav Shapira of Lublin – the one thing he regretted about bldg his yeshiva was that he didn’t do it in EY.
I cant understand why ehrliche Yidden are blowing so much money, time and effort for advocacy etc etc. Lawsuits etc etc.
Take that money and invest it in mosdos in EY.
US Jewry can change the political, cultural, and religious balance in EY – Please rise to the occasion!square root.
You’ve come to the practical level of Aliyah. Contact “its shayech” – the chareidi department of Nefesh bnefesh.
Health Insurance and Tuition are much cheaper in Israel.
And In Israel we have fewer “needs”
and less place to put all that “stuff”!Hakatan – Please stay in America.
The last thing we need is to import looney bins who obviously haven’t learned too much Torahj in their lives.akuperma, The israeli govt is what it is because you and your fellow American jews choose to stay in the fat oozing comfortable golus instead of answering the call of Hashem to return to Tzion. If 100,000 frum US jews would make aliyah That would knock the political balance off its feet! Israel would be a different place. If you compare life in US to Isreal then your going in the wrong direction. Its like a kid comparing his house to his friend’s house and actually moving into his friends house. After a while the family will want to get rid of him because he is not a natural part of the household and he actually does have a real home. I hope that US FRUM JEWS have finally WOKE UP.
Finally someone WOKE up. Maybe thats why its called “woke” because people wake up when its too late!
Come to EY because its a mitzva, not because you are running away. That way you’ll get much more שכר.We are surrounded by enemies and live with constant ניסים. We have the amud onon that protects us from missiles and all the other shtusim that they throw at us. (Thats why they are called missiles – In EY they almost always miss – Thanks to Hashem who protects us at every moment)
Dont you think that’s its totally inappropriate that people live in palaces in chool and Hashem’s house is swarming with מלאכי חבלה in the form of humans? I totally don’t understand why very chosheve Frum Organizations waste their time trying to prolong the galus (advocating and begging the goyim not to hate us. What do they honestly think? that if I win a lawsuit then all of a sudden he goyim will love us?) instead of sending Ehrliche Yidden to start Yeshivos, Mesivtos and Bais Yaakov high schools that are fitting for Americans and then people can Make aliyah in a much easier way???????
Need I say more?
Its very painful!! Building up the golus instead of investing in Netzach!Best excuse for staying in the Golus and fattening your bank accounts.
Dismantle Isreal so that you don’t feel guilty siting in Lakewood or Brooklyn or Money etc.
No Israel. No guilt.
Sounds like middle ages jewphobia.
More sinister than our worst enemies!I dont have patience to read every detail of this back and forth but one thing I’m certain of – If America stops being such a financial and otherwise Gan Eden then all of you nay sayers will become the world’s biggest zionists. Alot of this Anti – zionism is justification to not have to deal with the so huge Mitzva of Living in Israel. You write off the whole issue by turning your dwelling out of Eretz Yisroel into a frumkeit! and then you’re covered. You have the perfect excuse to sojourn in the Goldene medina, go on exotic vacations, wear all of the goyishe designers shtusim and leave the struggle of returning to Tzion to the “tzionistim” – and the Chareidim in EY who don’t shirk their national historical responsibility and do all they can to help EY prosper = whether its Learning Torah in EY or fighting at the fronts or just living here and thereby enriching life here. Americans and Chutznikim have received many gifts in their land of origin… not to live off the fat of the land but to put it to good use. To take what they;ve learned and received and use it to enhance Hashem’s land. Every Ehrlich Jew who comes here has a Hashpaa!!! This is the true ציפית לישועה.
I suggest that ujm make Aliyah before making suggestions of how to dismantle the Jewish Homeland granted to us by Hashem himself.
Then we can first dismantle his house and turn it into UN headquarters in the middle East.After UJM makes Aliyah he can discuss dismanteling the state.
We can start with his house.
It can become the new UNWRA headquarters.I dont understand the question.
My question is – Should men have the right to vote.
Women are much less political and much more truthfulness oriented…..usually….Kamala is an exception.
The whole question is extremelly chauvenistic. I really feel bad for your wife.Maybe America should offer the yimach shemam Hizzbollah a refuge after they will be driven out of Lebanon.
The first Makah happened yesterday.
Exploding pagers…only Hashem can do that via the Jews in israel.
He’s protecting us here. so obvious!!
Come home and join the fun!
התייצבו וראו ישועת ה!I hope you are joking!
The question is should Israel offer American Jews a safe haven……..
ובהר ציון תהיה פליטה – והיה קדוש.
That is what the Chofetz Chaim said to his son in law when asked about Yimach shemo’s plan to kill Jews.
We in Israel are experiencing labor pains.
America is experiencing the pain of destruction from within…
Open your eyes before its too late!
Hashem Yerachem!This conversation is Hilarious! (really not, all of Am Yisrael worldwide is in סכנה) Instead of worrying about the Zionist dream, maybe you should be concerned about the American dream. You may be in worse situation than us here in E”Y. Like jacoby 211 says, you may end up here faster than you think under not such great conditions since you didnt prepare yourselves. When there is a crisis in the US all these dumb hashkafos go down the drain and all you medina bashers will be the first ones to run to the tzionishe medina.
I think it says בהר ציון תהיה פליטה. Actually, I’m sure.
I would suggest that you stay in Israel because its a mitzva and not because US in unsafe. Then you get the זכות of the mitzva! In Tehillim it says הפך ליבו לשנוא עמו That Hashem is causing all this hate.
A wake up call to come HOME! I mamash Have rachmonus on an organization that is calling jews to call and send emails to their representatives in congress. Mamash Rachmanus! It wont help! Take what you have and run!! Apparently Galus America’s time is up. Dont be there when evreything caves in. COME HOME!It says מקבץ “נדחי” ישראל What is a nidach? Someone who can come but chooses not to is NOT a nidach. So before you include yourself on the list, make sure you fit the requirements.
I love when people wait for everything to be perfect before coming to live in Israel. Do you wait for your house to be prepared for Pesach or do you clean, scrub, shop, buy and buy more… EY aint gonna be developed if we dont do the work. We arent of such a high madrega that we can expect everything to be supernatural. peopl esit back and wait for perfection and are surprised when it doesnt happen. Well then take initiative. How many Americans have opened mosdos chinuch businesses, drs and dentists offices etc. They all contribute to the fabric of society. Some people dont like the mentality in EY. Well, the mentality is a result of who lives there. If Arabs live here it will be an arab mentality if Americans will come , it will be more American. You decide.
And why are you so sure that you will make it here when Moshiach comes? There is a medrash that says that the whole world will be like the mabul and EY will be like Teivas Noach.We really cant know but I would say that maybe Hashem wants to say that in his eyes all his children are the same. Regardless of which type of jew they are. Maybe a message for achdus.
Those 2 hotels are in an excellent location. Right near Ganei geula and Romema, sorotzkin. Centrally located at the entrance to Yerushlayim. You can get anywhere from there easily.
Th lobby is nice, I havent seen the rooms.
Enjoy the Holyland!Avira, you keep on proving my point! If Jews are not allowed to come to EY en masse then why are you so annoyed at the zionists that didn’t bring the Jews of Europe to the safe shores of Israel during the war. The zionists helped the frum jews not to defy the 3 oaths by coming en masse.
Chait hameraglim is kochi votzem yadi is a great one!!! How did you dream that one up? The sin was rejecting EY, Hashem’s gift for us. How are you different than them? Just spouting hate against others.
And why do you compare yourself to others?
AAQ is right! You are stuck in the past! suffering the ostrich syndrome!
Why is Hashem sending anti – semitism? I don’t know but maybe it’s time to pack your bags and come HOME.Reb Eliezer is 100%correct! The most difficult Mitzav for Jews who live in comfort in the “galus” is going on Aliyah. Hence all this hate and enumeration of the sins of the zionists and everything else negative that they have to say about the state. This is their “cover” for remaining in The US or Europe!
The חטא of the meraglim is alive and well!Avira, I’m so glad that you mentioned the Ramban. When he made Aliya, he couldn’t even find a minyan of men to daven with. I think there were 2 other Jews in all of Yerushalayim. Do you think the Ramban felt the same way in EY as in Galus? ie: Chul. He probably felt much worse! Since when are our feelings determining factors for kiyum mitzvos. Certainly not by Briskers like yourself. Your GALINU MARTZENU pshat deserves the booby prize! You would make a terrible lawyer! MOST of Am Yisrael was led into the diaspora. So according to your pshat what does GALINU MARTZAYNU mean? And why is it relevant why the state of Israel supports Torah? It’s a fact!
CS. I don’t get it. What does 1948 have to do with anything? Eretz Yisroel is geographically NOT GALUS! The time period may be golus but the PLACE IS NOT! And AVIRA nothing that you said disproves my point. You actually have just given a good defense for the fact that EY is NOT GEOGRAPHICALLY GOLUS no matter what’s happening here! And by the way, why are the chareidim so upset with the current Israeli gov’t? One big reason, no more funds for Yeshivas and child care. What’s the maskunu? That until now, the ZIONIST STATE HAS BEEN FINANCING MOST OF THE TORAH LEARNING IN THIS COUNTRY! You really got me confused there? It seems to me that when Moshiach comes, as far as you are concerned, you’re staying in Lakewood. Is that correct?
Sorry Common Saychel, In Efrat and the Old City and all of Eretz Yisroel we are NOT in golus!!! We are geographically HOME! We are in a TIME of golus but there is a HUGE difference between the golus of Boro Park, Monsey and London and non- golus of Eretz Yisroel. I love when people call Eretz Yisroel galus. It’s such a cop-out! Hashem is here waiting for you all to come home but you guys are just too comfortable in your ‘golus’ to see straight!
Definetly!
Do you want to wait until their married and settled there and then you’ll come here all alone?????Good Morning America!! Hashem is waiting, working overtime preparing everything so that His children will come home!! Jump in Nachshon!! Plan, Prepare, and Daven! This is the Holyland! Throw away your rule book! Here the rules are all different because this is Hashem’s land! Now’s the time!! Comeon Aliyah from love of Hashem and His Mitzvos. Don’t wait to be thrown out!!
yes, sure. Sounds very interesting!
It’s good for Anglos to stick together. An Anglo ghetto is fine