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2cents, what I say has no substance TO YOU. If you don’t understand the simple things I’m saying it doesn’t mean my words have no substance, you just simply do not understand what I’m saying.
You gloss over the fact that you do not have proof to back you claim that a majority of doctors and scientists globally say that the so-called vaccines are safe and effective so your attempts to disprove my words are mere fluff and actually stupid. Why would I believe in your “majority” when there’s no proof of any majority. That is so incredibly stupid and on top of that, the majority of people where not always in the right, you should learn from history, there are plenty instances of that. But that’s beside the point, the main point is that you can’t even prove that the majority of doctors and scientists are pro covid-19 shots yet you keep on insisting that I cannot have an opinion that is different than the “majority”. Now go ahead and prove the “majority” of doctors and scientists worldwide think that the shot has been proven safe and effective in stopping the virus from spreading.
It seems like you don’t understand what the word “hypocrisy” means. Again, I never asked AAQ for his sources and neither do I care what his sources are. But since he was the one who started this by saying that we anti-covid-19-shot individuals get our info from websites and we don’t post our sources, I was simply pointing out that it’s hypocritical of him to say that when he does the same. Since you seem incapable of comprehending this simple little fact, it won’t help if you call me hypocritical, it is simply showing that you can’t follow conversations.
2cents, the way I communicate, whether you like it or not, has nothing to do with the topic at hand. And talking about substance, I find your posts lacking of any EVIDENCE proving my position wrong. All you do is try to shtech and point fingers in my direction, but there’s absolutely nothing of substance, no scientific proof nor peer reviewed studies proving the vaccine effective at preventing people from getting covid and preventing the virus from spreading.
If you get your info from other sources than mainstream news media and official political channels then you’d know that there’s no such thing as the “majority of doctors” supporting the so-called vaccine. I am definitely dismissing the non-fact that the majority of scientists and doctors are not in agreement with my position that the so-called vaccines cannot be mandated. Regarding whether they think that the so-called vaccine is effective or not or the if the risks of the vaccines outweighs the benefits, doctors and scientists have different positions on that however there’s no way to prove that the majority of hundreds of thousands doctors and scientists worldwide believe that taking the vaccine is effective and safe, especially when doctors cannot freely voice their opinions on this issue.
About cherry picking I say the same about you. I don’t know where you get your data from but it seems to me that you do not have ANY data at all only parroting what you have heard. I have read many scientific articles and listened to many scientists and doctors. I have also heard from doctors in the mainstream media and have come to the conclusion of who truly presented more scientific knowledge and evidence backing their words and who are shills for the pharmaceutical companies. If that’s called cherry picking in your book it’s simply because of WHAT conclusion I’ve arrived to which doesn’t sit well with you…
2cents, I did not ask for a list of scientists from AAQ. In fact, I said that I don’t care whom he listens to. I said that beferish. What I did say is that AAQ accuses the anti-covid shot posters of listening to “channels and websites” and that we don’t bring their sources or write whom we take our info from while AAQ does not do that either and also takes his info off the websites. Who doesn’t do that nowadays? (No one reads science journals that come in the mail…) That is hypocritical and that is what I said, he doesn’t talk who his sources are while denigrating the fact that we do not state who our sources are. That is totally hypocritical. I have never demanded to know his sources are and neither do I care to know.
And what makes you choose which scientist and doctors you listen to? CNN the NYT or some other liberal news agency? Do you listen to the mass murderer Fauci? What makes you the authority whom I can and should listen to? And I have absolutely not seen that a majority of doctors should be pro the poison shot, the vast majority are quiet, they are not willing to risk the backlash they would have if they were to publicly speak out against the shot. In any case, it’s a free country, or should be a free country, and I will listen to whom I think is saying the truth, not the majority and not those who toe the political line, the same political line who encourages kids to explore their “gender identity” in public schools and the same political line that has other boxes people can check off on official documents other than male or female.
I have no clue whether Dr. Malone thinks of himself as the pioneer or not but the fact is that HE developed the concept of the mRNA vaccine first ( Researchers worked on his first experiments and perfected it further, adding lipids for mRNA transfer). He was always refered to as such however since his anti-mandatory covid-19 shot stance and his bringing up issues about the shot is causing many to discredit his work in being the FIRST to design, experiment and develop the beginning of the mRNA vaccine technology.
He is not only contracted by the army. He has held numerous prestigious jobs in the field of virology. And he is not the only virologist speaking out against the as of now experimental “vaccine”. Their are many prestigious doctors, scientists and virologists speaking out against it. However it seems as the only ones you listen to are those who speak on the liberal mainstream media news or through political channels.
Ash, there is a money incentive, not for the average doctor, but for higher ups. I didn’t say your healthcare is rubbish, I said it is not the best.
The death rate in the US is only slightly higher than the UK, not much higher. And the reason for this is simple. The UK has been more honest and transparent regarding the reporting of covid-19 data. The doctors and hospitals do not get $ for reporting patients as dying from covid-19 while here in the US the government actually pays $ if a patient who died is classified as dying from covid and therefore very often, even if the patient died due to other factors, if they tested positive for covid the cause of death will be classified as covid-19.
In general, covid-19 in the UK is not as politicized here as in the US. The covid-19 shots are also not as politicized. I believe that it is still the UK government’s policy not to give the shots for those under 18 years of age unlike the pushing it on the youth here in the US.
The majority of doctors absolutely do not recommend the shot. The majority of doctors are simply quiet about it, they don’t make waves because they don’t want to be bullied for speaking up. Bull Gates is certainly involved in the covid-19 garbage shot. First of all he funds half of the budget of NIH and is buddy-buddy with Fauci. He has profited from the shot , but more importantly it is part of his ideoligy. You are very naive. Bill Gates funds approximately 50% of NIH and has worked together with the mass murderer, Dr. Fauci on many projects. Are you going to defend Fauci too and tell me that I’m a conspiracist for calling Fauci a mass murder for being involved and funding gain of function research of the coronavirus which had absolutely no benefit to humanity ( just like with the puppies that were part of the monster Fauci’s experiments where they were eaten alive by fleas and the only people who benefitted from this were Fauci and his colleagues who made $ fleecing the US government for their disgusting “scientific programs”.) Just the opposite, the man-made virus only bought death and destruction and Fauci knew that the side effects of this virus. The fact is that both, Fauci and Bill Gates benefitted from this entire covid-19 production and “lab leak”, ideologically and financially by being involved in the creation of this virus and the non-vaccine vaccine for it. Call me a conspiracist, it doesn’t change the facts not the reality of who Bill Gates is and how he was and still is involved.
AAQ, you never mention which articles you read and by which doctors they are written. And I honestly don’t care. First of all, doctors and scientists can have different ways that they view the same subject matter, they are not clones of each other. And many things, not only objectivity influences the results of research. I am assuming the articles you read are online on websites as well so what’s the point of saying we see things on websites, so do you.
Regarding Dr. Robert Malone’s LinkedIn account, I find it really funny that you would judge a person by their LinkedIn account. Many people open accounts and don’t end up posting much, including me. I opened an account years ago, put up a bit of info and then dropped the entire thing despite working in my chosen career,; I did not find LinkedIn to be of any value. But you can find many, but not all, of Dr. Malone’s accomplishments on his Wikipedia page. Unfortunately not all that he has accomplished in the world of science and virology is still listed there, his work as THE pioneer of mRNA vaccines has been scrubbed due to his current stance which goes against those in power. Currently, Dr. Malone is in contract with the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases. And until 2020 he was the cheif medical officer at Alchem Laboratories. Obviously, his work in science and virology is highly valued and he’s not simply a “one man consultant for the last 20 years”.
Im not really interested in dropping more names of doctors and scientists who are totally against these shots, or at least against he mandates, but I will mention one person, the Nobel prize virologist Dr. Luc Montagnier who also has a Wikipedia page which of course was edited to say say that he’s a “promoter of conspiracy theory…” regarding the covid-19 origin which has ultimately been accepted as the most likely scenerio of the origin of covid-19, and yet this “very important” line depicting him as a conspiracies is still up on his page. They are seeking to discredit him due his belief that the virus was created in a lab, which at the time he said it the liberals didn’t want to acknowledge that, and regarding the covid-19 shots, he saidbthat it will not stop the virus, which has absolutely been proven to be true, and that the shots cause many covid-19 varients to spread, which is most likely true as well.
There are many, many prominent virologists and doctors who are against the so-called vaccines. Again, I’m not interested in listing all of them or even a few of them. They are there I’d you are interested in finding them.
Health, I agree with you. But more importantly Dr. Malone agrees with you. Dr. Malone is the inventor of the mRNA vaccine who is currently working in the US army. He has been maligned since going against the establishment (even though he did take the so-called covid vaccine which he says gave him many side effects). But he does not talk against adults getting the shot, he is only against mandating it because he says the data is not our for people to make informative decisions and he is against teens and kids under 18 years getting the shot because the side effects are worse than them getting covid. I heard him giving a talk about the corruption in the FDA and why they didn’t want to repurpose medications which he championed for as a scientist and virologist employed by the army. But not only wasn’t he listened to, he was told to be quiet and was critisized in the media and his Wikipedia page was “updated* to reflect his spreading of “misinformation” regarding the treatment of covid-19 with repurposed medicines.
Ash, you are being overly optimistic about the healthcare in your country when many of your fellow citizens who are medical patients travel all over the world for treatment, with a great many to the US ( not talking about covid-19) because the healthcare in the UK is not the best to say the least …and that includes the treatment of covid-19. Why would doctors go against official guidelines which exclude proven therapies to treat covid-19 when they have no incentive to do so and every reason to go along with those in charge who are only banking on these so-called “vaccines”. Those in charge are raking in millions with these so-called vaccines.
The coronavirus death rate is very similar between the UK with a death rate of 216 verses the us with a death rate of 235. There can be many reasons for this including how these deaths are recorded, it does not mean that the UK actually has a (slightly) lower number of covid deaths.
AaQ, you have chutzpah. There are hundreds of high profile doctors and scientists speaking out against the shot and tens of thousands of others are bullied into compliance. Many, many have suffered because they spoke against the wishes of the establishment and you deny all that because you choose to close your eyes to it all so that you can continue living in your fantasy world. You have the chutzpah to say that people who are against the shot listen to “channels” and “websites”. Well so do you get your info from websites these days. If you get it from newspapers then good for you, but likely you get it from websites or perhaps a doctor. But who is on these websites you get your info from? And we get our info from a plethota of high profile doctors and you have one or two doctors telling you to get the shot ( if any at all). My info comes from doctors, virologists and scientists with major groundbreaking acheivments in the field with many peer reviews studies and breakthroughs.
But not only do you choose to close your eyes over the information that is against the so-called vaccine , which is in your full right to do so, but you don’t have a right to lie about those who speak against this shot like they don’t exist and we only have info from some “website” insulating that we believe any “conspiracy” from weirdos running “some websites and channels” . That is being incredibly dishonest.
DaasYochid, you never know….they have inspirational songs about our hands being clean from stealing and many other interesting choice of topics for songs, why not about ?? ????? ??? ????? ?
Ujm, of course one bracha is not more inspiring than another. Therefore I believe it is actually a chiyuv for you to release a shello asuni Isha song that will inspire us all. I will purchase the song the minute I know that it’s available.
Ujm, what about you creating a “shelloy usani isha” song that will inspire the tens of thousands of frum men (and women as well). We are all waiting for your song. Please post here as soon as you know the date of the song’s release to the public so that we can get it as soon as it’s available.
Bored teen, you are so right
Akuperma, you are right as well. Although technically a person bored of a Jewish mother is an halachik Jew, there are laws how we relate to non-frum people similar to non-Jews and for the record that doesn’t mean being rude or disrespectful.
commonsaychel, I totally agree with you.
YO, you are very predictable, you always have the same line. No one is “worried” about levish that frum men wear. It’s just a discussion.
Avirah, I never said Yidden didn’t wear payos. I said they didn’t wear LONG payos. The OP was talking about “long peyos”. I guess “long peyos” is subjective and long peyos likely means a different length to me as a Chassidishe than what it means to you. I have seen many paintings of gedolim and often their hair is longer together with their peyos but still not as long as some Chassidishe wear their payos today.
Everything I’ve said is based on EASILY verifiable facts. If you don’t know how to or are not interested in FACT CHECKING and rely on “fact checkers” then you are just being deliberately naive. Go on being a sheep if you want to, it doesn’t change the reality.
2cents, that’s your assumption. Whatever I said is based on verifiable facts.
The singer stated that he wasn’t aware of the mixed dancing yet had videos on his page of it.
For years there was mixed seating, called “family seating” at concerts here in the US. I think it’s wrong halachically however there was no dancing ever. So what changed ? The music is goyish, period. It brings light headedness, goyishkeit, holelos and tztilustkeit.
I don’t think historically Jews had long peyos. Look at the painting and photos of gedolim in Europe from pre-Holocaust eras. Often the hair from the entire head was longer (but much shorter than shoulder length) peyos included. But certainly, long (curly) payos and shaven heads were not the norm. It was bought in by the Chassidim in the later years, I’m not even sure if they went like that in Europe bechlal. I know Galicianer wore long peyos in the early 1900 but I don’t know if they shaved their head, there were no shavers then in any case, they probably wore their hair very short.
Also in Taimoni wore long curly payos but most don’t do so now only those who drei zich in to he Chassidishe world.
AAQ, of course. Mesorah always had a starting point.
Zaphod, I would appreciate if you can tell me which program you use to produce the music. I would love to create digital music.
Yeserbius, tens of thousands of doctors and scientists are advising not to take the shot and thousands more are keeping quiet abou their personal opinons regarding the shot.
Here are the reasons why:
Many anti-covis shot doctors were terminated from their jobs after speaking out against the covid shots. Sometimes it was only one tweet and they they were terminated. The average doctor going through years of medical school, oftentimes racking up very high student loan debt, and then more years of residency, and finally being employed as a doctor, is not seeking to be terminated and will avoid it at all costs. Not only do these doctors shut up, they are forced to be vaccinated against their wishes if they want to keep their jobs.2. The mainstream media, social media and medical media outlets seek to suppress doctors, scientists and their info and studies if they are critical of the covid-19 shots. Anti covid shots and anti mask and anti lockdown info is treated as “misinformation” by the government and media.
3. Many prestigious scientists and doctors had their careers wrecked and characters destroyed after speaking out against the shots. Many famous scientists had their Wikipedia page changed to reflect their supposed spread of”misinformation” regarding covid-19. They were negatively written about in the media. Most often those who speak out are older, advanced in their career or retired but their treatment shut up those who are younger because they would risk even more by revealing what they really feel regarding these shots.
AAQ, if you think I’m going to quote word for word from all the talks I’ve heard from scientists and doctors, sometimes over an hour long, sorry I’m not doing that. I can’t even remember all the names of the doctors and scientists I’ve heard talking about covid and the so-called vaccine. I’m certainly not interested in quoting anyone, it’s all out there for anyone to hear and see. You just have to search a bit because Google suppresses this info which they ( the non-doctors and non-scientists) decide is “misinformation”.
I’m not interested in changing anyone’s mind, I can’t change anyone’s mind. I’m just responding because…I don’t know why tbh, because why not.
AAQ, there have been no peer reviewed, long-term studies on the negative side effects of the covid-19 “vaccine. That’s a fact.
Many honest doctors and scientists, those who are not hesitant to tell the truth despite to the negative repercussions the have to put up with for saying what they feel regarding the so-called vaccine, either due to its side effect or inability to provide adequate efficacy, are totally against these “vaccines”. That’s a fact.
The politicians and politically motivated and/or financially motivated “scientists” are pushing for mandatory vaccinations and at the same time pushing for masks to be worn due to many studies showing that those who got the vaccine still can get covid-19 AND spread the viral load equally to those who did not get these shots. That’s a fact.
I gave read many studies and listened to many virologists and top doctors and scientists speaking about the vaccine. Your trying to make me unknowledgeable on this topic does not change the facts, the reality on the ground.
(no)mesorah, government employed scientists ARE beraucrats.There are a great many scientists and doctors who have come out against the so-called covid-19 vaccines, against the wearing of masks and against lockdowns, but for the most part, they are not government employed. Fauci, the highest paid government employed mad scientist is a mass murderer who intentionally funded gain of function which he knew has the potential to kill millions and he is the last person I listen to. It’s actually these political pseudo, fraudster scientists employed by the government who advise the governors and president that experimental shots and boosters need to be given and at the same time masks still need to be worn so what makes you defend blame the politicians when they work in tandem with these politically biased scientists.
Mesorah, you are wrong, period. Judaism IS based on mesorah. Judaism is halacha AND mesorah. Our great Rabbis were the ones who gave over mesorah when teaching us Torah and halachas. That’s why Sephardim have their mesorah, Italian Jews have their own mesorah, Mountain and Caucasian Jews have their own mesorah, Mizrachim have their own mesorah, Taimena have their own mesorah and Ashkenazim have their own mesorahS.
“Kashrus” reforms leave an open door to anyone proclaiming to be a Rabbi, despite not even being frum but they’ll call themselves a Reform Rabbi, to be able to become a “mashgiach” and give heshsheirim. Now there may be more to this, but that’s the overall idea. Basically, the mashgichim won’t need to be Orthodox so if the Rabbanut hechsher which was kosher till now, it will be completely treif.
bored_teen, I hear you. But what would you call someone who worships/is infatuated by another human because they can act well/play baseball well/ sing well, etc.? I personally think that being a fan of “celebrities” is jerky kind of behavior. Non-frum “celebrities”, (who despite being called Jewish are often non-halachic “Jews”) are most often narcissist and empty and it is really immature to admire such empty shells. And not only are most of them empty shells, most “Jewish celebrities” are liberals who contaminate and spread immoral garbage within the world. These people should be condemned, the last thing that they should be is “celebrated”.
Halachically there is no difference between Sephardim, Ashkenazim and Mizrachim however in DNA testing there’s a seperate catogory for Ashkenazim and Sephardim. I’m not sure how accurate these categories are since there were many Sephardim that never left Europe since the Spanish and Portuguese expulsions and there are Ashkenazim who lived in EY for centuries so I can’t imagine it is all black and white. Also, the expulsion of the Sefardim Jews did not happen too long ago in terms of affecting genetics IMO.
But, l’maasoh, there are different categories when DNA is tested.
coffee addict, thank you for clearing that up.
I find dishonest and misleading writinga of posters abhorrent.
YO, there were lace shaitlech with natural flowing hair down to a woman’s waist in di alte heim?
There’s no such thing as “dynasties” of rich Jews.
AAQ, an anonymous poster on the internet criticizing Ashkenazim is not considered “toichacha”. And he had no valid point at all. “Trauma” is the code word that all phsychos (pshycotherapists, psychologists, etc.) slap on everyone these days. It’s incredibly stup. I would not take “toichacha” from Sephardic in any case. Not because I don’t like them, they have their problems and we have ours. They have their strengths and we have ours.
Besides, Sephardic, Mizrachi and Ashkenazim, in particular Ashkenazim, are so varied, it is stupid to lump everyone into one group and give “toichacha”…
Shimon Model, I realized that.
Ejmrbro, I agree that post was racist.
n0mesorah, lol to your response as well. Seems like you have nothing of substance to say thats proves that government officials actually believe that the non-working “vaccine” works. Lol, lol, lol, lol ?
HaLeivi, the topic is still going strong and will likely never die in the secular world and in Israel…we need stay relevent ?
I’m surprised covid mandates and regulations are not on the “most controversial topics” list.
I was in Manhattan recently and on the doors of all the stores and buildings there were signs that said that even those who are fully vaccinated need to wear masks…lol, lol, lol, lol, lol! I cannot make enough lol’s here. It’s all about making powerful people richer! Vaccinations are supposed to VACCINATE people against the disease they are given for! But now people have actually changed the definition of “vaccine”. Now vaccine means “take the experimental, non-working, dangerous side effects causing vaccine because you are commanded to do so by those who have the power and shut up or you’ll lose your job, you won’t be able travel, and you can’t eat in restaurants!”
I agree with huju here and I don’t think he/she is bitter because of that true statement.
To me there’s no such thing as “celebrities”. There were some entertainers that used to be enjoyable to watch or listen to but today “entertainers” are all “celebrity jerks” for the jerks who worship them.
Why is Israel bringing Ethiopian Christians to Israel? It’s makes a lot of $$$$$$$ for many Israelis who are involved.
AAQ, I never said that the Beta Israel, ( I never heard of the term Judaic Beta Israel…) didn’t come first to Israel. In fact, I said the opposite, the Mura Falash decided that they were Jewish AFTER the Beta Israel migrated to Israel. The Falash ARE practicing Christians.
As for Russian immigrants in Israel, there are hundreds of thousands who are not even Jewish, never mind not religious. No one claimed that they are practicing Christians as the majority of Russians became secular under communism so most are not practicing Christians. But a very big percentage of Russians are non-Jews. They are creating a spiritual churban in Israel right now.
Rav Ovadia Yosef zt”l paskened that they are Jewish according to the Radbaz who said that they are Jewish but Karaites. If we go according to Rav Ovadia Yosef who based his teshuva on the Radbaz then they are Karaites. In fact, the Beta Israel practice what in Israel is refered to as “Haymanot” which is not Rabbincal Judaism which in that case would be the religion of the Karaites.
The Ethiopian Beta Israel who converted to Christianity (most, bit not all, were forced conversions) in the 19th and 20th centuries and their descendants are called the Falash Mura. At this time the Falash are the majority of Ethiopians who came to Israel and they are still, for the most part, practicing Christians. Rav Ovadia Yosef also considered them Jews, but I wonder if the Radbaz would pasken the same as he did to the Beta Yisroel who did not practice Christianity at the time. In fact, the Falash Mura themselves did not consider themselves to be Jewish until after the Beta Israel’s first wave of immigration to Israel.
AAQ, not sure what you mean by that…
Anyway, I stand by what I said. Most Ethiopians who came to Israel are practicing Christians although many of their children are secular.
benignman, most Falashim in Ethiopians in Israel are practicing Christians. They have many huge Christian institutions in Israel. I am not familiar about Ethiopian Christians being shunned by other Ethiopian groups. Do you mean the Beta Israel shunned the Falashim? I’m not sure about that, just an assumption but the Falashim are practicing Christians claiming to be Jews.
benignman, if so many Ethiopians refused to be forcibly converted to Christianity then why are most Ethiopians claiming to be Jews and emigrating to Israel practicing Christians?
ZSK, ok sorry for the misunderstanding.
ZSK, I am allowed to bring the Radbaz’s rulings and the majority of our contemporary gedolim’s rulings am I not? Or do you you have a problem with that because I didn’t write what you want to hear?
apukerma, I am not saying that there were no gentile European converts but having blond hair and blue eyes does not indicate anything regarding ancestry. Regions have a profound effect on physical appearance that is why people from Africa are black, people the Middle East ( excluding the Levant) are darker, people from Europe are generally lighter. Ashkenazi Jews have lived in Europe for over 1500 years so it definitely will have an effect on the physical appearance of Ashkenazi Jews.
Physical appearance does not get affected by living in a region for one or two generations, but certainly over a millennium it will have an effect on the physical appearance of a people.
Before coming to Israel they didn”t read Hebrew, have Hebrew names, have a Torah, follow halacha, etc. The vast majority of Ethiopians who came to Israel are practicing Christiana. There are a minority sincere Ethiopian converts; the few converts I met I found to be wonderful, very refined in chacter.
Rav Ovadia Yosef zt”l relied on Radbaz ruling on the Falashas, however the Radbaz clearly rules that they are Karaites. And this was 500 years ago. They subsequently likely assimilated into the Abyssinian population according to many contemporary gedolim who ruled that the Ethiopian Falashim who are Karaites accepted gentiles and were not converted according to halacha and therefore they are Safek Akum and their identity as a Jew is in doubt.
The Ethiopians are not Jewish, they are Safek Akum and definitely Karaites. There is a community of Karuim in Ukraine, will they be considered full Jews as well by the “Jewish state”?
Rightwriter, of course Reform and Conservative have achdus. They accept non-Jews which make up a large persentage of their membership, perhaps even the majority of all members today are non-Jews. They are accept liberal LGTBQs which a big percentage of them are. Their permissiveness and acceptance of people’s lifestyle has created mamzeirim (another reason why I am against kiruv in these days).
ynribiat, how in the world would a registry break Lakewood, Chabad and Satmer in one stroke?