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Also dont forget how everyone who entered the Hospital were automatically listed as a Covid patient. There were even accounts of frum Yidden which YWN showed articles claiming how they were forced to sign documents saying that. Maybe thats how you got all those Covid numbers, even the WHO came out to say that the real number was less than 10,000 strictly Covid.

Daas, my mistake on writing hours yes it was about 2 weeks. What makes you so certain that it wasn’t linked to the vaccine is It because the media said so?

Besides 2 weeks after getting a vaccine can definitely still be related as many actually suffer side effects for many days after they take the vaccine. Some more serious than others.

In any case there have been countless numbers of people in Israel and America who have died literally a few hours after the vaccine. Is that a coincidence or what.

I never said everyone died from it. But many have.
And also many survived the virus. And if those who had it have antibodies now, why do they need the vaccine? As I mentioned before, they have no proof that vaccinated CANNOT spread it to others, and no proof the unvaccinated CAN spread it to others.

Health how is that lie. Heard of Hank Aaron? I’m sure you have. He died a few hours after getting the vaccine. But of course the media said it wasn’t due to the vaccine so I guess we can’t use him as proof. I’m being sarcastic.

There have been many many who have died shortly after the vaccine. Not all were as famous as former baseball legend Hank Aaron. But 1 thing they all had in common as per the media, “they did not die as a result of the vaccine”

Interesting coincidence that so many people were fine up until a few hours after they got the shot. I guess all of a sudden they just randomly developed health issues or pre-existing conditions right in time for the vaccine. Good timing.

Another example is the nurse who got the vaccine on live television and fainted a few minutes later. Her excuse, “suffers from constant fainting”. Oh well that makes sense to be a registered nurse while you constantly can faint at any moment. Noone heard of her until a few days later where the tennessee hospital released a creepy short EDITED video with a jump cut showing all the staff standing on the stairs with the nurse standing as well, who was twitching and just looked very strange while noone spoke in the video. I think the nurses name was Tiffany Dover. But again it was hushed up by the media so we all can move on, nothing to see here. We also never heard of her again so none knows if she’s alive.

Health before you call someone a liar and accuse them of spreading conspiracies why don’t you take your head out of the gutter and see beyond the propaganda. If anything, the conspiracy here is that the media covers up vaccine related deaths as unrelated incidents. That’s actually what should frighten you.

Health”Probably, but how do you get this Virus?
By getting sick?
Some people who get sick from Viruses die!
So this is Ossur according to the Torah, besides being Stupid!”

-And many who have gotten the vaccine also DIED! And many who get the virus also DID NOT die!
Noone is saying to proactively go and get the virus, but mandating that everyone get an experimental vaccine is not the right thing to do. Neither is wearing a useless surgical mask(which only protects bacteria/droplets) everywhere you go. Do you understand that they are causing more harm than the virus itself to everyones lives?

Do you understand that this virus has over 99% recovery rate and even people who have severe issues and complications survive? You cannot force everyone to take this vaccine there is no scientific basis for it especially when the risk from the vaccine is tenfold times higher than the risk of something happening to healthy people from the virus itself. The risk heavily outweighs the benefit in this case.

There are dangers everywhere. There also many types of viruses. People get sick, people can get hurt, people also recover and get better, its part of life. Do you want to stop the whole world in its tracks so as to eliminate any risk? Do you want all the cars off the road, do you want to eliminate food so that no risk to anyone who may be allergic, do you want to kill all the animals so that they dont get a chance to attack anyone, do you want to kill off humanity so that we just dont even have an option for anyone to be at risk from any risks?

Seriously, you have a brain, you can use it aside from just thinking as you’re told. There are risks in life, thats why you use precaution. And whoever needs extra precautions take extra precaution. And that extra precaution can even mean avoiding an experimental vaccine especially if you are not at risk.

If you havent seen, its all been a “Do as I say, not as I Do”. All those who have been telling you to wear a mask, stay indoors, stay 6 feet away and so on, have been caught sitting on a plane without a mask(John Kerry Picture), eating at restaurants during lockdowns(All the governors), Holding press conferences without masks(Cuomo), and so on.

Stop feeding into propaganda. Use your own judgement. The governments can only force people to do things by how much people go along with it. And once its too late you wont be able to turn back. The only reason people need to wear masks everywhere is because people went along with it. In the beginning the Mayor said its up to the stores to decide. No matter what they did they could not curb the virus its all a smokescreen. Israel had 4 complete lockdowns and they didnt work. Why did they keep trying the same thing?

This virus may not have started with the intention of control over the populations, but it definitely gave them the opportunity for it and they took it because people let them. Put all so called “conspiracies” aside, just take a look for yourself how you were living just 1 year ago, and how many of your liberties slowly disappeared. Have to wear a mask everywhere to get in, cant go to the gym, cant use the library, have to wait in lines out the door to buy food, and soon possibly needing a vaccine passport to be allowed to live in society. Just think about that for a moment.

The problem is people can get used to anything and forget easily. Thats whey communism works. Its all about conditioning your mindset.

Why are you so offended by the fact that people simply don’t trust an untested vaccine which was formulated in less than a year? Why is it so difficult to comprehend that people are worries about what goes into their bloodstream. You are trying to manipulate the idea that people don’t want the vaccine because they are afraid of microchips. No, people just do not want to take an unrested vaccine end of story.

You want to take it go ahead. You want to wear 2 masks because they said so go ahead. You want to take all the pills the doctor prescribes you go ahead. But stop there. Do not force this on anyone else. They are not carrying the virus and they are not hurting you contrary to what the media and governments want you to believe.

Antibodies via virus are lasting way longer than the vaccine. So leave those people alone already. And don’t forget they still want you to wear a mask after you get vaccinated. So there is no end to this, just because you have no problem with all your liberties being taken away from you that’s fine. But not everyone feels the same as you or thinks the same as you. So accept it.

And I know it makes you feel real brave with all the name calling but seriously try becoming useful. And I don’t mean a useful idiot since you’ve been doing enough of that til now. You name calling and mockery only shows how weak you are.

And again, since you completely ignore anything you can’t answer, the fact that covid is down, proves that people with antibodies aren’t getting sick again or transmitting it to others. Because If that was the case there would be a consistent amount of cases as last year or more. Not less. And it’s not due to vaccine since vaccine is still not widely available.

And if the vaccine will help so be it. Thats the idea. But it doesn’t mean everyone has to be forced to take it or be shunned from society. Especially those with antibodies. That’s what’s called herd immunity.

Again Health, we are all ignorant and have no basic education. We weren’t all fortunate enough to be “experts” in the medical field such as you. As I said, you are the type who listens to doctors blindly and takes all the pills thrown at you even when it doesn’t make sense.

Since you are so knowledgeable, why don’t you explain to us how there will be a rise in covid cases at this point where so many people have either natural immunity or have been vaccinated?

And also if you have been vaccinated why are you worried about catching it from anyone else? The vaccine is there to prevent you from getting sick!
And for your information natural immunity has so far been holding up for a year contrary to the 3 month time period which they try to trick you into believing so that everyone takes the vaccine!
Why would someone who has antibodies need a vaccine? Oh cause they can spread a stronger virus to others? What total nonsense they have an excuse for everything just to push their agenda and scare people. They have no proof yet that natural antibodies can carry and transmit, let alone a stronger virus than the vaccinated virus, and they have no proof that vaccinated people CANNOT carry and transmit the virus. In fact they said they probably can transmit “that’s why the want everyone vaccinated” or course. They also don’t have any proof of how bad someone can get the virus while vaccinated since it’s early to determine. But I guess when the facts don’t make sense we can go by them since they fit the agenda but any facts on the contrary are disqualified because they go against the plan for the greater good.

Again so many people who are not against vaccines in general but simply do not want this UNTESTED vaccine! Even many elderly don’t trust it no matter how much of a risk category they are in.

Stop forcing people to do what you want. You want to take it go ahead but leave it at that! We already have to wear USELESS face masks everywhere due to your stupidity and all those who think like you that they have an obligation to control what others do.

There is a virus and it’s a horrible thing that they unleashed into the world, most people recover even from bad cases. All that surrounds this virus is even more horrible than the virus itself. You have no idea how much mental harm this has been causing people, and how many people died from not being treated for other diseases.

If they really cared they would require everyone to use masks that actually protect against virus and not the 1 cent surgical masks which do nothing but protect against bacteria droplets which are used for surgery not for virus which is 4 times smaller than the holes in the mask!

Also I would like you to explain the science behind the virus not spreading when you eat at a restaurant without a mask. Does the virus have mercy when you eat? This is proof that these precautions are a joke! If they really had science behind all this and took precaution they wouldn’t even allow anyone to eat outside since once you take off your mask the virus can spread! How ignorant can you be to know all this and still believe they are going by science?

None of these rules make any sense or any impact to stopping the spread. Health you are probably one of those who jumped to wear 2 masks once you heard their “recommendation”. Anyone who can’t see through this is just plain stupid I’m sorry.
The cure cannot be worse than the virus itself! It’s been costing more lives and ruining families for something that 99 percent of people recover from. Why don’t you check how many people died from the flu or other causes this year alone? Just because they don’t report on that doesn’t mean it ain’t there. Life has to continue. Those who need extra precautions can take them. And if you take the vaccine good for you. But do not try to force someone else to do something against their own will and judgement.

Mindful-“You think this is different because you are scared on corona vaccine, and not measles vaccine. But its not different. ”

Actually Mindful, there is a difference between not being able to send a child to a certain school, to not being able to be part of society while being looked upon as a disease spreader. Just a small difference.

Gadol I didn’t know you were a prophet who knows that the vaccines are safe in the long-term. Aside for the fact that for some it isn’t even safe short term as in they suffered bad side effects or even death.

Gimpel, many people also had the virus and have antibodies and immunity. They want you to believe it only lasts 3 months but sorry to disappoint you, the immunity so far is lasting for a year and counting. There have been only a handful of people in the world who has been reinfected and even then they aren’t sure that it was a reinfection of the same virus.

If it was common to be reinfected or transmit, by now everyone would have been reinfected and also cases would have gone up not down.

They have no proof that people who are unvaccinated can carry the virus and transmit it to others and no proof that vaccinated cannot transmit it or carry it. In fact it seems that those with immunity cannot transmit it to others since cases have gone down long before the vaccines were available. Regardless of what the media wants you to think. They are now talking about it resurfacing. How is it resurfacing when so many people have antibodies or are vaccinated? What am I missing here?
Oh is it because bill gates and fauci declared so? Keep bowing to your idols and see where it gets you.

The Torah and Navi are still similar enough in language. And even if Navi is a bit different or more modern tongue, it’s still no comparison to having totally unrecognizable letters of the alphabet. Even if you compare the paleo hebrew letters to modern letters, many letters are just totally unrecognizable.

I understand that letters can change or be refined over time, but we claim that we are unchanged. So how do we know we are the same people as in early years? What makes us different than the italians, iranians, egyptians and so on to claim that they are a different nation but we are still the same?

Also if you look at what the oldest languages are, hebrew is not one of them. There are indian and Chinese and arabic languages which are claimed to be oldest and unchanged. Again they probably aren’t going by Torah but we can’t really claim that our language or alphabet hasn’t changed.

Instead of just claiming that we are the same as always, what is the proof that we have not changed. On what basis do we go by, if even our language evolved
I understand that language can evolve, but why would it evolve and so change so drastically in a nation who keeps tradition and does not move an inch to avoid straying away and getting lost. In such a nation, the question is WHY would it change. If this is the language/letters that the Torah was written in, who would want to change that? If this was the original text!
And again nolne answers how we look at letters as combinations of other letter such as alef being 2 yuds and a vav etc. When the earlier letters seem to be totally different or even having symbols such as an eye for the letter ayin.

So who changed these letters and why would they if this was the original writings?

On that note how do we know what language was used for everything written in the Torah? We have perushim in which they focus on every specific letter as being significant and having meaning. But how do we know they even spoke in this written language let alone spoke in the Hebrew which we know and use today!

And if the pesukim in Torah were not spoken in our language, what significance does each word or letter have that’s like taking a translation and giving the translated words significance saying they were specifically used in order to convey a different meaning. You can only say that when looking at the original text. I mean did pharaoh speak Hebrew whether it was ancient hebrew or modern? Why are his words so significant in the way the pesukim are written if most likely he spoke some dialect of ancient Egyptian or arabic?

Dass not worse literally. But what they are introducing into the world as ideas for other nations to follow suit or capitalize on taking away people’s freedoms. So bad nonetheless.

Daas “It is also certainly true that most people survived the vaccine”

Even 1 person dying from a vaccine is too much since it’s meant to protect not kill. There would be much less of a chance for anyone to die from it if it was actually tested.

Besides as I mentioned in my posts, we are talking about the LONGRUN. Noone knows what side effects this vaccine has whether in a year or 2 or 5 or 10.

So In the long-run the risk of getting covid and likely surviving it might greatly outweigh the “benefit” of the vaccine.

“They are trying to keep people from getting sick and dying.”

Yes and forcing a vaccine with no long term trial is the best solution especially since it’s killed many people within a few hours but I guess that doesn’t count it’s just collateral damage.

Of course there is a virus you genius! But most people survive it and working on building people’s immune system or medicine cures is much more effective especially since people can still get sick and/or carry the virus and transfer it to others despite being vaccinated

Take your head out of the gutter. No one knows what issues can arise in the long run due to this untested vaccine. There has never been a vaccine released so early without years of trials. Oh the FDA approved it you say? Yes well it’s called an emergency approval due to circumstances and money being made, not an approval that it really is safe. Besides how many drugs have been approved over the years by the righteous FDA and been taken off the market due to serious adverse effects? Many.

There is a lot of money involved in this situation as you can see proof by the many people murdered via ventilators due to negligence and putting people on who didn’t need it, and you can also see how cuomo murdered 1000s with the nursing home scandals. The figures came out on a covid patient being admitted as a result hospital would make about 3000 but for a dead covid patient they would make around 8000. Do the math genius what patient is worth more? Oh but the virus doesn’t exist is that your best form of attacking someone due to your ignorance?

How did the world survive the spanish flu and all other pandemics. Did they mass vaccinate with an untested vaccine? You must be some good liberal citizen to not see that they are taking advantage of a bad situation in order to see how much they can control people and to change their lives.

Ubiquitin’My confusion was when you said that 80% of what you text are things that you later want to “take back”
worth noting , that if a person spends 80% of his time in the bathroom something is wrong.”

-dude you are so confused that it’s showing. You keep mixing a billion things together. Who in the world said that I would want to take back 80% of what I said? Who in the world said that 80% of my conversations are private? I said that if you are so careful to not write things that will be saved in history chat, and you avoid your main point/topic then you will end up avoiding like 80% what you actually wanted to say in that particular conversation!

Who said you spend 80% of your time in the bathroom. Do you even have any comprehension? Whatever at this point I figure there is no use.

daas-“Ugh, why did this conversation turn nasty?”

-quite simple, ubiquitin wanted to share with us that he can only think dirty.
(ubiquitin-“why is t 80% of what you are saying stuff that you wouldn’t want a record of?
Even 20% seems like too much”)

ubiquitin-“But it did help me understand the op , his question , and why 80% of his texts are things he doesn’t want a record of”

-so you are saying that it only took 3 responses for you to finally understand that not everyone’s mind is that sick? Great ; )

daas-“Regarding the OP, I don’t think you “own” the messages you’ve sent, and I think it’s a bit odd to even request they be deleted, but it might be appropriate to tell the person you sent it to that in retrospect, you wish you hadn’t sent it.”

-yes you dont own the messages which are on the other phone, however who does own them? Can we say that the network or app owns them? I mean after all they are the ones collecting your data even if you delete it. So in that case maybe your friend who youve sent the message to doesnt own it either. But its not about who owns it, its the fact that its your content. I mean if you only had a momentary conversation over text, what reason would the other party have for keeping it if what you wrote to them previously doesnt hold for the future since it was only meant for that moment. What if you sent someone a funny video of yourself to cheer them up for the moment they were sad, but now it is saved forever and can possibly circulate elsewhere? Now do you understand the concept of how some things are meant to be momentary but we use texting which is a great way to send material, but the drawback is that its saved. Would that also be an “odd” request on your part to ask them to delete it?

Personally I dont like clutter. That includes digital clutter which includes conversation and messaging threads. So I basically delete messages daily. Thats one reason. The other reason I delete is especially if there were some negative conversations, even though you move past it the messages are still there. And I noticed that if I ever go over them again on some other occasion, I see those messages and am reminded of that negative moment and it gives a sense of being in that moment again, forgetting that you have moved past that. Most people dont realize that when you look at past things you actually get absorbed into them especially messages,emails, pictures and so on.

Ya maybe its odd to ask someone to delete your conversations, but what reason does someone have to keep them especially if they know you would rather the conversation not be saved?
Would it be odd for you to request that they delete a picture in which you dont look too flattering, or at least crop you out? I mean ya its in their possession but the topic is you.

Again, personally I am not a collector of things except for money and mitzvos the (former in order to use) ; ) so maybe to me its less of an issue to delete messages. I guess its the actual request of asking someone to do something on their own phone which I can see is a bit intrusive. And thats the dilemma.

Ubiquitin-“So to sum up 80% of what you text is abou tmedical issues, being constipated , low mood, relationship issues and occasionaly somehting not tznius”

Not once did I mention that any of the conversation has anything to do with something non tznius. Again you are projecting your own dirty mind onto everyone else. Please get some help so that you can get a healthier outlook.

” Wait I thought I was a ” such a tzaddik””
– ya so you thought

“”What if you had a relationship issue and needed to get something off your chest for the moment and didn’t want it there forever.””
Ubiquitin-“80% of what you text?”

-No you silly silly person I was just giving you examples of normal conversation in which a person might not want things to be stored in a chat log. Since you can only imagine that non tznius topics would be the only reason. Just letting you know we don’t all think like you. So I had to make it clear.

Ubiquitin “why is t 80% of what you are saying stuff that you wouldn’t want a record of?

Even 20% seems like too much”

-you are right tzaddik. Thanks for being such a tzaddik and not even having 20% of your conversation unwanted of being recorded.
But let’s speak of all us non tzadikkim. What if you discussed a medical issue which you didn’t want recorded. What if you were constipated and we’re embarrassed of having it recorded and remained in a chat history. What if you were feeling very low and in a negative mood and shared which you didn’t want on record forever.
What if you had a relationship issue and needed to get something off your chest for the moment and didn’t want it there forever.
Should I go on? I bet in your dirty mind you thought the 80% of the conversation was something non tznius. Thanks for projecting your own thoughts on us.

Thanks reb eliezer I guess that solves it. I specifically mentioned what you wrote and said that it’s not the topic here. If you read the posts maybe you will understand the topic better. We are not talking of ways of stopping yourself from communicating or to think before you speak. Those are good ideas but again read the posts I covered that already.

@reb eliezer, thanks for staying the obvious I knew this comment would come up. What does that have to do with asking a friend to erase your conversation? Are they Hashem?

Yserbius, there are people who put lots of money into companies behind the scenes to get what they want. And gates has been on the forefront on vaccines for many years and especially now. Also don’t you find it strange that these companies waited 5 days after the election in order to announce the vaccine? Are you telling me they didn’t know about this 5 days earlier which would have given Trump a landslide victory? Don’t be so naive, you see even these so called companies involve themselves in political influence.

Vaccines aside, there is strong evidence that fauci amd gates were even behind the actual virus creation. Fauci had attended these labs many times and gates had been talking about a pandemic which the world is not prepared for. I guess he couldn’t contain his excitement.

Yes these elitists exist and they funnel money into getting whatever they want done.

Gates who has been talking about how the world has too many people and we need depopulation suddenly is the saviour and has the solution to this pandemic? How can anyone talk about depopulation that shows signs of an insane mind.

Yserbius, you are aware that gates has been kicked out and banned from India and nigeria after they discovered that his “miracle” vaccines was sterilizing the children he used it on?

What i don’t understand is how this evil rasha merusha still has a say on anything and not locked up in an underground cellar with the keys thrown out! And yet the citizens of America give him a platform to speak and “guide” us through this situation? Why is he even talking about vaccines after years of preparing us for a pandemic which “we are not prepared to deal with”!

And not to mention event 201(pandemic preparation) which coincidentally took place in October 2019 around a month before China couldn’t keep the virus outbreak a secret anymore. Interesting and really makes you wonder what’s going on here.

Syag,” It was tested, we just don’t have any long term data”

Yes the long term data, exactly. Practically the same as untested. If someone is fine the next day after the vaccine, that is not a long enough test.

And yes it is sickening that we’ve come to a point where people feel they have the right to demand what others do regarding their own health and what they put into their body. You want to get the vaccine so do it but don’t demand that others do as well. If you feel others need it too then obviously you don’t believe the vaccine is effective at all.