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August 4, 2021 10:30 pm at 10:30 pm in reply to: The irrational response to Covid is part of the Decree from Above #1997287rightwriterParticipant
Also you can smoke in public exposing everyone to second hand smoke and actually rasing the risk of getting sick, but that’s ok.
August 4, 2021 8:58 pm at 8:58 pm in reply to: The irrational response to Covid is part of the Decree from Above #1997267rightwriterParticipant@reb eliezer noone is hurting others enough with this propagandous brainwash thats exactly the mindlesness rhetoric that they are pushing on everyone and you are playing well into their agenda.
If you are wearing a mask and the mask is effective, then what do you care about what others are doing? And if you are vaccinated and the vaccine is effective, why do you care if others are vaccinated!
You are talking like everyone is a constant walking virus just waiting to attack you.
If you are around elderly then yes take extra precaution. But stop disturbing everyones lives.
And even the precautions you take, make sure they actually help such as wearing the proper mask such as N95 at minimum, and not anything less than that because according to SCIENCE they do nothing to prevent the virus.And why stop with the covid vaccine, why dont you make sure everyone gets the flu shot as well as any other vaccine since they are “endangering” you!
rightwriterParticipantReb eliezer-“The CDC is ruling that people who had COVID should still get vaccinared as the antibodies are not that effective against the delta variant.”
Really. In that case we should have had Covid all over again because all those who were infected initially would have been reinfected in droves. Obviously that hasn’t happened so should you recheck your data?
In fact vaccinated have been getting infected regardless of vaccine and spreading it as well.
Also there is no test to show variants so keep that in mind when you blindly follow whatever they tell you.
rightwriterParticipantUbiquitin what are you talking about? You aren’t as clever as you think yourself to be so please elaborate because all I see is rambling on your part. First of all yes the freedoms are being limited and taken away from people! Do you live under a rock? Deblasio announced you need to be vaccinated in order to participate in society starting next month. Cuomo and deblasio also calling on all businesses to only allow vaccinated to shop or to be employed there. Yes the masks were a gateway to get everyone used to being told what to do and now it escalated to vaccines. They were merely suggested at the beginning but when everyone went along with it they were able to mandate it. And yes they have built covid detention camps it was openly on the news. They maybe haven’t used them yet but the fact that they even spoke about that as an idea and built them is alarming enough as things tend to snowball into other things.
The ultimate purpose is power and control. It just works better for government that way. Look up communism and wonder why the leaders never stepped down from their position.
Let’s see how you laugh when they tell you the unvaccinated or non updated vaccinated can’t buy food at the grocery. Because it doesn’t stop at just restaurants. Just as before it was health workers mandatory to vaccinate, then became city workers, and now they are trying to get all employers to vaccinate. Notice a pattern?
Besides what about those with antibodies which are much more effective than the vaccines! Why would they need to get vaccinated! But keep chuckling it’s healthy. Again, it’s due to people like you that the rest of us have to suffer by not being allowed to “participate” in society as if we are being given free tickets to an amusement park. Because that would be a privilege. Living life in a society is not, it’s just called life. But now that’s a privilege. Interesting.
And by the way before you accuse me of spewing nonsense, nothing I said was imaginary I am commenting on facts and current events. I didn’t say anything about chips, you did.
rightwriterParticipantWhat about those with antibodies?
Also hospitalizations are up in comparison to the past few months but not as high as they were earlier. Besides they said delta is more contagious, not necessarily more dangerous. First it was the British variant which was more contagious than the original then the new York variant, Paris, Brazilian, African and so on until it became delta.rightwriterParticipantcoffeaddict, I get it. No not to kvetch but to wake people up. And im sure there will be many protests so I dont think it will come down to me having to organize them but I definitely will join if necessary.
torahvaluesoverparty- firstly, being that the vaccine is bh very effective, why is it anyone’s business if I am vaccinated?
-We still dont know how effective the vaccine is, and if it truly helps then thats great. But the concern of the vaccine is more about the long term effects which we dont know yet and we will find out as we go along but thats a separate issue.
To the second part, thats exactly the point. It isnt anyones business if you are vaccinated but they made it their business by declaring that if you are not vaccinated, you are endangering others. Just as they did with the mask. The wearer is not being protected they are only protecting others from themselves, therefore both parties have to wear a mask in order to protect each other. Which utterly makes no sense since how can the mask prevent you from making others sick but not prevent yourself from getting sick from others?
Is the layer of cloth only strong enough to prevent outgoing virus but not incoming? Total propaganda without any science at all. In fact the mask wont protect any of the parties unless it is at least a KN95 or rather a K95 to even have a chance. The surgical masks or cloth are just for droplets and used for surgery NOT for prevention of viruses which are at least 4 times smaller than the microscopic holes in the surgical masks. Plus the virus is AIRBORNE, and not contagious merely by droplets.There is a lot of money and power/control involved. We are definitely living through something historical and quite likely Acharis Hayamim. Nothing they have been saying or doing makes any sense and thats what gives it away. Even Cuomo killing thousands of elderly at nursing homes by throwing in infected patients to be amongst the elderly, doesnt make sense and he is declared a hero.
At first the mask mandate was a conspiracy, then the lockdown was a conspiracy, then the covid passports was a conspiracy, then the vaccine mandate was a conspiracy…STILL a conspiracy? I feel like we are living in a science fiction novel. I guess we will see what happens after the summer as I predicted would get much worse since they cannot control the masses in the heat of summer. Once they start “enforcing” these mandates the store owners wont even have a say it will be city workers at the doors waiting to see your papers.
rightwriterParticipantBtw gadol what will you do when they won’t let you shop for food because you aren’t updated on your vaccines and booster shots? You think it stops at restaurants?
rightwriterParticipantAnd one more thing. How about those with antibodies who contrary to the 3 month decline that the media wanted you to believe, people with antibodies from early 2020 still have high number of antibodies and in some cases even went up!
If antibodies went away after 3 months or were ineffective you would have seen Covid all over again. That hasn’t happened. So what now will you tell me antibodies can spread but vaccinated cannot? Wrong! Even the CDC admitted vaccinated are spreading the virus and even getting infected. This is pure propaganda and control!
rightwriterParticipantGadol take the vaccine again and again then. But if you are demanding that others take it as well then you are admitting the masks and vaccines don’t work since you are using both options.
Also stop talking like people are constantly sick and carrying a virus. In most cases they are not. You aren’t special to eat at a restaurant so get back down to earth. You are part of the problem which will cause all of humanity to suffer because of your foolish ignorance.rightwriterParticipantNo coffeeaddict we will just stand around like you and support our freedoms being taken away from us.
Also if you think you are safe cause you took the vaccine, aside for the fact that vaccinated are still getting infected AND spreading the virus(CDC admitted), anytime there will be a new vaccine/booster you better believe you will need to take it and keep up to date or you too will be barred from society until then. But I like your snappy answer, you are so cool.rightwriterParticipantCash is great and should never be eliminated. Not everyone is into digital everything, and not everyone wants to have all their transactions tracked for any reason including privacy even though that doesn’t exist anymore. Also when systems are down, physical money can always be used. But we are off topic.
rightwriterParticipantActually 1000 dollar bills and up do exist or have existed at some point. The really rich have/had access to them and used them.
But technically speaking they are useful but not as practical as a day to day basis especially for a regular person. I mean why would they even be in circulation? They were typically used for large transactions or bank transfers.
The 2 dollar bill on the other hand (no pun intended) is very useful and practical but for some reason they refuse to keep it in circulation.
Btw how many thousands do you have that you need such “convenience” lol…no need to answerrightwriterParticipant“The cashier refused to accept the bills, saying “that’s not real money””
-exactly my point. It’s so rarely used that most people don’t even know that it exists. But another issue is many won’t even accept the 2 dollar bills or make a face and begrudgingly accept them. I’m not sure why. But part of the reason is probably since they aren’t used and go straight back to the bank.
My point is they should be used and be included in daily circulation since they are very practical to use, even though everyone says they aren’t practical. They are very convenient to pay with or receive as change since less bills are needed.
rightwriterParticipantI never understood their purpose aside for the fact that you are using something the size of a quarter which is actually worth a dollar. They are nice looking coins but unpractical. The whole reason they switched to bills was due to the convenience of not having to carry 20 pounds of coins in the pocket and lose half of them during the day.
rightwriterParticipantHow does that make it easier to pay with or carry
rightwriterParticipantAlso what’s the deal with the 5 or more spring variations. Isn’t it a unified organization?
rightwriterParticipantYa I remember then from around the 90’s even early 2000. Why did they stop making them. I heard the orange stick out more but my personal opinion is that the digits are easier to read on the yellow background. Plus the orange ones look kind of scary.
rightwriterParticipantIsn’t the number 212/718? 212 is Manhattan area code. Also I’m referring to the NYC stickers. Im almost certain they used to have yellow ones at some point. Can anyone back that? Also isn’t black digits in yellow background easier to read than black on orange?
rightwriterParticipantAt this point has nothing to do with safety and all to do with power, politics, and control.
rightwriterParticipantJust get Haagen Dazs.which btw is a made up name by Jewish founders of the company. So support Jewish owned brands.
rightwriterParticipantNo Gadol, not chassidim or other. It will be vaccinated vs unvaccinated, liberal vs conservative, left vs right. And its already happening. And the government along with the controlled media are responsible for this division and chaos. Something unnatural is happening in the world.
rightwriterParticipantSooner everyone will be required to vaccinate
Will there be a civil war?rightwriterParticipantNo it’s a forum
rightwriterParticipantYa probably wishful thinking. People will never get off of it it seems. A meme here a meme there and not a waste of emotions at all
rightwriterParticipantThis will either go away soon or seems can evolve into a new way of life
rightwriterParticipantFirst, you follow the science. You ask questions later. If the science was a flawed, too bad just live with the effects but be happy since you did the right thing and followed the science. No need for a brain or logic. Just do what you are told.
rightwriterParticipant@avik-“The more people are vaccinated the less severe COVID will be.”
Is that why Israel claiming that the Pfizer vaccine is only 64% effective at this point?
And what about those with antibodies? They should get vaccinated as well right since only vaccines give you immunity? Is that why we are seeing so many reinfected individuals with antibodies? (We aren’t)
If the vaccines help slow it down and you are willing to risk unknown side effects that’s fine, but they are disregarding antibodies and want to force everyone to get the vaccine regardless by imposing rules such as not being able to go to college without the vaccine, flying airlines etc.rightwriterParticipantIsrael slowly going back to mask mandates and lockdowns.
rightwriterParticipantParticipant, are you ok there?
rightwriterParticipantMaybe monitor labs so that these viruses don’t get unleashed into the world? Or maybe shut down labs that are creating harmful viruses for whatever reason?
May 16, 2021 8:28 am at 8:28 am in reply to: Pro-Palestinians Nearly Killed a Jew today in Manhattan #1974691rightwriterParticipantThanks to social media everything nowadays is either a trend or created Into a big deal on a large scale. There have never been such huge numbers at these protests and it ls honestly a little alarming. Especially after the whole lockdown year people are frustrated and will use any excuse to go outside and exert energy especially for ‘humane” labeled causes.
rightwriterParticipantRev eliezer, fauci saved millions of lives? How exactly! By telling everyone to NOT wear a mask in the beginning of the pandemic since “it is useless” “it will not protect you” and “especially if you are not sick you have no need to wear it”. And then admitting he lied about it so that medical staff can stock up on those useless surgical masks?
Wow what world some people live in. You don’t need to be conservative or republican but at least don’t be such a foolish liberal sheep smiling all the way to the slaughterhouse just because they told you it’s good for you!
rightwriterParticipant“Excellent news! There is a vaccine for H1N1 (I had it in 2009), Ebola , Swine flu (H1N1 see above) AND bird flu (H5N1)”
-then make it mandatory for everyone to take it and carry a passport for it as well
rightwriterParticipantSo anyone who’s not vaccinated automatically has the virus and will make everyone sick? Especially if they have antibodies?
rightwriterParticipantDays”Are the governments going to ban people from using these facilities, or is it the owners of the facilities who are going to ban unvaccinated people from using them?”
-whoever it will be makes no difference
Jack”If you have to work from home and order food from Amazon that is your option.
Nobody needs to risk getting covid because you don’t want a vaccine or a negative test”Why stop there what about the flu shot why should anyone be at risk from you. What about making vaccines for h1n1 and ebola and swine flu and bird flu and anything else so that no one is at risk from you.
rightwriterParticipantDaas, “they” are the government’s, and I’ve checked it online where Israel is implementing them, as well as nyc dubbed “exelcior pass” in which biden saw it as a good idea to implement nationwide. Basically they only allow access to certain venues, entertainment, gym facilities and so on to those who have this passport. How do you get this passport you ask? By getting the vaccine. What happens if you don’t get the vaccine, you don’t get the passport. No passport, no access. Can it be any simpler to understand? Maybe you can explain to us otherwise. No, it hasn’t taken off full force, YET. What will happen when it goes past venues and disallow the unvaccinated to work for a living, buy food, be amongst others and all the other endless options.
rightwriterParticipant“Exactly. There’s a choice in this Country – some want to take the Pizer or the Monderna.
You can take nothing.”-really @health? Last I checked they are introducing vaccine passports which will only allow vaccinated people to be part of society. So what were you saying about choice?
rightwriterParticipantUbiquitin, the government days so but the damage is already done. Besides that’s only the short term effects. As far as the long term effects, the government can’t know to stop it even if they wanted. Again, experimental vaccine means just that.
Anyway there’s little to do in order to make you understand since you just aren’t capable. Also I didn’t say anything about depopulation, putting all that aside, the fact that people are taking an experimental vaccine to begin with is enough of a concern. Use your brain that there are likely long term side effects. Just as with pretty much all medicines. And if you want to take your chances go ahead, but the issue is that you want everyone vaccinated. That’s not going to work that easy.rightwriterParticipantSo if natural immunity goes away you will inevitably be forced into taking an experimental vaccine. Great news.
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Wow another one? Can’t be must be unrelated to the vaccine since there is no proof. Who’s worshipping the avodah zara now?
rightwriterParticipant“So, hopefully you will trust now that the other vaccines are as safe as it is reported.”
-oh so that’s how it works, trust it until a report comes out telling you that it’s too late. Ok
rightwriterParticipantHealth, area 57? It’s called area 51. Now go get your facts straight and get the vaccine while your at it! And if you already got the vaccine, get it again.
rightwriterParticipantMan, ywn posting fake news now? Problem with vaccine, no can’t be!
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rightwriterParticipantStill avoiding the question. Why force people with antibodies to get the vaccine. How could it be that someone with antibodies which so far are lasting for over a year can transfer the virus but s vaccinated individual which is projected to last 3-6 months and constantly will require more shots cannot transfer it. How does that make sense. It doesn’t. Again if people who had the virus were susceptible to getting it again or transferring it, there would have been a major uptick by now especially before the vaccine came out or even with it since they would transfer it to everyone. That hasn’t happened. So why force them to take the vaccine?
rightwriterParticipantBk613″Yes”
-oh for every case, ok interesting“Why do you believe a handful of random nurses and not the hundreds of doctors/nurses who say otherwise,”
-ever heard of whistleblower? It only takes 1 person to speak up. It’s usually all that’s needed. I don’t just believe them, they have undercover recordings which is pretty solid evidence I would say.
“What are your qualifications to judge if a vent was being used properly or not?”
– my qualifications are using my brain when it’s reported that most technicians weren’t trained to work ventilators and people died as a result. Or course by now it will all be covered up and altered like you will see headlines such as “no, there weren’t untrained technicians operating ventilators” or “false and debunked rumor of untrained technicians”. But when covid started and they panicked they put out a lot of reports on what was happening and blamed it on being unprepared. But by now they figured it still looks bad so they change it.“Vaccinated people develop a measurable immune response/antibodies against the virus. ”
-whats your proof that they developed it from the vaccine. Maybe it was just a coincidence that they developed it after getting the shot. I don’t see how it’s linked to it. Just like those many people who were just fine before the vaccine and suddenly happened to die a few hours later. No connection see. Usually there isn’t a label on a person’s forehead for cause of death. You have to understand that if someone was fine and after a few hours of the vaccine suffered some sort of attack and just died, just maybe there’s some sort of connection to the vaccine. Especially since it’s happened to many aside for the “,lucky” ones who only suffered palsy or other neurological damage.
But the final question is why can’t you just take the vaccine and leave others out if it especially if they have antibodies? Again if those who recovered were getting sick again or making others sick there would have been a sharp uptick in cases not a decrease. That hasn’t been the case and it’s been that way for a while 3b3n before the vaccine. And if the vaccine is helping it get even lower then all the greater. So stop forcing others to do what you want. If the vaccine is there to protect you, what does it have to do with what others do. What vaccine only protects you if others have it too?
rightwriterParticipantbk613″-This is a lie. These patients weren’t breathing enough to sustain their own lives and needed medical intervention. At the time a ventilator seemed to be the best medical decision. ”
-Guys you are getting repetitive saying “this is a lie” for anything you have no answer for. How do you know they needed it bk613, were you there? On the other hand there are many accounts from patients, as well as some brave nurses who risked it all just to expose what was going on. Its a fact that you can look up, which has been reported on how they were hooking up 2 patients to the same ventilator which already risks both lives at once, and also had many untrained technicians using ventilators improperly which resulted in death.
“But if the vaccine was causing it to happen there would be an measurable increase in these incidents occurring – more strokes, heart attacks, etc… in people who just received the vaccine. ”
-Nope not true. Some people have reactions more than others. Besides thats the short term the long term remains to be seen. And you know what if dying a few hours later as a result of the vaccine isnt proof enough, then vaccinated people not getting sick isnt proof that its due to the vaccine. Prove that it is.
Health”So even if they’re cases of deaths because they got the Vax – there are much more cases of the Vax saving people’s lives!”
-well then by your logic even if many people died from Covid, many more survived. So whats your logic here again?There are much more cases of people surviving rather than not!
“The whole premise of Anti- Vaxxers is to show -“I don’t have to listen to anyone – I know better”!”
-Im not sure thats correct, but in any case the premise here is more like”hey i dont trust taking a vaccine that is experimental in which the long term effects are unknown, especially if i already have antibodies!”
rightwriterParticipantAlso dont forget how everyone who entered the Hospital were automatically listed as a Covid patient. There were even accounts of frum Yidden which YWN showed articles claiming how they were forced to sign documents saying that. Maybe thats how you got all those Covid numbers, even the WHO came out to say that the real number was less than 10,000 strictly Covid.
rightwriterParticipantAlwaysaskquestions-“let’s look at top vaccinated countries to understand effect on overall propagation:
4 top countries using western vaccines have all decreasing cases”-Cases have been going down even before the vaccine, so what exactly are you trying to prove here?
Daas-“Did I say I was certain it wasn’t connected? No, I said there’s no evidence.”
-But you have evidence that it wasnt linked to it correct?
“Of course there will be people who die on the same day they are vaccinated. That doesn’t prove any correlation. ”
-Yup, just a mere coincidink
“You don’t prove causation unless you study two otherwise similar groups and find that the vaccinated group has more deaths than the unvaccinated group. That has not happened.”
-More than 99% of cases survived. The argument here btw isnt only whether the vaccine works well or not and for how long, its about the long term effects that it may have on a person since its in the experimental stages and will be for quite some time. Time is the only way to test long term. No way to speed that up.
Also it may be early to tell how long they stay, but so far pretty much everyone who had the virus still has antibodies a year later or at least arent getting sick again with Covid (even with all the 40 variants they found and named for every country and city). If that wasnt the case we would have seen everyone get it a second time by now and would have been a major uptick in cases. That hasnt happened. So far the natural antibodies are holding up for much longer than what the vaccine is projected to last.
“The very nature of conspiracy theories is that they can’t be “disproven” because whatever evidence there is is dismissed as a lie and cover up. On the other hand, there is evidence of how lethal Covid can be, and that the vaccine is effective at preventing it.”
-That goes both ways with opposite terms. Again we arent talking only of the effectiveness, the main concern are the long term side effects which we have no way of knowing yet. And btw there were cases of people getting sick even with the vax. Vaccines only try to prevent they are not absolute.
Again, if you want to take the vaccine do it. But how can you force others especially those with antibodies to take it? If the vaccine is effective, why should you worry about getting sick? And if you cant even transfer it to others once vaccinated as youve stated, then how would you be able to get sick in the first place?
You are now playing the mask game, It prevents your germs from going outside the mask, but it cant prevent others germs from going into your mask. Is one side more protected than the other? Absolutely not!
Its so illogical and makes no sense at all, its just a theory they came up with in order to make everyone wear a mask(“since you are doing it to protect others from yourself”), and now to make everyone take an experimental vaccine. Explain to me how the wearer of the mask protects others from germs but is at risk from their germs.And by the way @Health, I dont need to prove anything. There have been numerous cases of people dying hours later after the vaccine. The media made sure to report it by prefacing “that it was unrelated to vaccine and they died of natural causes”. Even if they would have died on the spot they would say it was unrelated and you would believe them. Just as that nurse Tiffany Dover collapses live on cameras and they forced her to say she has a fainting disorder which happens frequently and randomly. Way to be a nurse with that condition, sure.
Is Malpractice also a conspiracy? Are bad doctors also a conspiracy? The medical world can do no wrong or its a conspiracy.Its like, use your brain, noone is saying everything is a cover up and conspiracy. But to say they do no wrong is sheer lunacy and naive. Just look at how many people they hooked up to ventilators without need only for the money even if it killed them which it has. Conspiracy also? There was a nurse who came out and spoke about it and even has recordings.
What was it something like $3000 for a Covid patient but $6500 for a dead one? Those figures were publicized. If thats not enough for you to figure something is wrong here, nothing will be. But ya, it sure gave them motivation to save patients I’ll tell you that.rightwriterParticipantDaas, my mistake on writing hours yes it was about 2 weeks. What makes you so certain that it wasn’t linked to the vaccine is It because the media said so?
Besides 2 weeks after getting a vaccine can definitely still be related as many actually suffer side effects for many days after they take the vaccine. Some more serious than others.
In any case there have been countless numbers of people in Israel and America who have died literally a few hours after the vaccine. Is that a coincidence or what.
I never said everyone died from it. But many have.
And also many survived the virus. And if those who had it have antibodies now, why do they need the vaccine? As I mentioned before, they have no proof that vaccinated CANNOT spread it to others, and no proof the unvaccinated CAN spread it to others.rightwriterParticipantYwnjudy-IMO, R.W., i think you may be descended from Shevet Levi
-Wow, good call
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