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    What happens if its a machlokes?


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    “Life expectancy at birth in the United States fell again in 2017 for the third year running, the longest sustained decline since 1915-18”
    “A continued increase in deaths by overdose in 2017 was the biggest factor driving rates upward, but SEVEN of the top 10 causes of mortality saw a statistically significant increase while only one, cancer, saw a significant decrease.”
    (BMJ website)


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    2scents: I feel bad that I cause you hardship
    Actually, not at all, anyone can easily read through your misinterpreting data, that’s why I don’t bother to dispute it.


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    EY Mom: What can I tell you, to me the CDC still has more credibility than people on quack watch lists.

    Why? Bec. the CDC puts them on quack watch lists, so that makes them more credible?


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    EY Mom: I would love to hear which vaccine studies have been proven to be dishonest,

    Dr. William Thomspson from the CDC: I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics.

    How can they be trusted?
    They only lie 95% of the time?!


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    Life expectancy is currently on the decline…


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    EY Mom,
    I appreciate your honesty.
    If you really want to get the truth, I advise you to do your own research, and not just rely on anonymous posters here.
    There is tons of information to be gotten.
    And I believe the truth will prevail.

    2scents seems to know so much about this issue, he really know how to fardrei a kup in such a smart way.
    I would even go so far as to say he doesn’t vaccinate his family.


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    EY Mom: Also, while it’s true that some of the studies done on vaccines have been either done or paid for by individuals or organizations with conflicts of interest, the exact same thing can be said for Miller.

    OK, so you admit that there are conflicts of interest, do you also know that they have been proven to be dishonest in their studies done?
    But you choose to rely on them anyway?

    What about the SIDS study? You’re OK that the public has been fooled into thinking the Back To Sleep campaign lowered SIDS rates, when it never did?
    Maybe its OK, bec for the good of the people we have to fool the masses into getting all the “life-saving” vaccines.


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    EY Mom,
    Please explain why studies brought by Neil Z. Miller don’t prove anything.


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    Health,
    Right, because its so unbelievable “clean” to inject our young babies and children with all the ingredients found in vaccines. (sarcastically)

    EY Mom and everyone else, you all seem to be OK with SIDS being a cause of vaccines, as long as we don’t get any of those “horrible” diseases?!


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    EY MOM: “SIDS has gone down since mothers have been told to put babies to sleep on their stomachs and remove bumpers, stuffed animals, etc.”
    Unfortunately, that is a perpetuated myth.

    “In 1992, to address the unacceptable SIDS rate, the American Academy of Pediatrics initiated a β€˜Back to Sleep’ campaign, convincing parents to place their infants supine, rather than prone, during sleep.
    From 1992 to 2001, the postneonatal SIDS rate dropped by an average annual rate of 8.6%. However, other causes of sudden unexpected infant death (SUID) increased.
    For example, the postneonatal mortality rate from β€˜suffocation in bed’ (ICD-9 code E913.0) increased during this same period at an average annual rate of 11.2%.
    (In Australia, Mitchell et al. observed that when the SIDS rate decreased, deaths attributed to asphyxia increased. Overpeck et al. and others, reported similar observations.)
    This results in a non-significant decline in SIDS”
    Human & Experimental Toxicology, 2011

    Unfortunately, SIDS is actually caused by vaccines.
    “Torch concluded that DPT β€œmay be a generally unrecognized major cause of sudden infant and early childhood death, and that the risks of immunization may outweigh its potential benefits.”

    “Fine and Chen reported that babies died at a rate nearly eight times greater than normal within 3 days after getting a DPT vaccination.”


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    This is not to convince anyone of anything.
    It is just to open people’s minds that there is more than one side to the story and they should continue to do their own research.


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    Homefirst’s medical director, the late Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, said in an interview a few years ago β€œβ€¦ I don’t think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines.”

    Dr. Frank Noonan is a doctor who treats Amish children in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. He has said that he has seen no cases of autism in the thousands of Amish children he has treated over 25 years.

    Dr. Heng Wang is a neurologist and the director of the Clinic for Special Needs Children in Ohio, another area where there is a large Amish population. He has estimated the rate of autism in the Amish community to be 1 in 15,000.


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    ubiquitin,
    “unlike vaccines which have been shown in dozens and dozens of studies that they don’t cause autism”

    It’s like saying, dozens and dozens of studies have proven that falling on your nose does not cause a bloody nose, correlation does not imply causation.
    I don’t care how many people will tell me they got a bloody nose after falling on their nose, the studies prove otherwise!
    That’s exactly what your telling parents of autistic children who have seen with their own eyes that the vaccine caused the autism.


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    From Dr. Zajac, a pediatrician who stopped vaccinating his own children after seeing the negative effects of vaccines on his patients.

    He says that medical doctors do NOT receive a lot of training in vaccines,
    There are only a handful of doctors in this country who actually do proper research on vaccines β€” going outside of what they are told by the vaccine makers focused on selling their products.
    Dr. Zajac also shares that, in his professional experience, vaccinated kids are the sickest, the partially vaccinated kids are not as sick as fully vaccinated β€” and the unvaccinated kids are by far the healthiest.

    He has $700,00 – $1.7Million annual lost profit for not following the vaccine schedule for all his patients.
    As he says, “children’s lives are more important than the money.”


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    Journal of Toxicology and environmental health Part A, 2011
    “A positive association found between autism prevalence and childhood vaccination uptake across the U.S. population.”
    “Although individuals probably have a genetic predisposition to develop autism, researchers suspect that one or more environmental triggers are also needed. One of those triggers might be the battery of vaccinations that young children receive. …the relationship between the proportion of children who received the recommended vaccines by age 2 years and the prevalence of autism (AUT) or speech or language impairment (SLI) in each U.S. state from 2001 and 2007 was determined. A positive and statistically significant relationship was found: The higher the proportion of children receiving recommended vaccinations, the higher was the prevalence of AUT or SLI. A 1% increase in vaccination was associated with an additional 680 children having AUT or SLI. Neither parental behavior nor access to care affected the results, since vaccination proportions were not significantly related (statistically) to any other disability or to the number of pediatricians in a U.S. state. The results suggest that although mercury has been removed from many vaccines, other culprits may link vaccines to autism. Further study into the relationship between vaccines and autism is warranted.


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    From an interview with Dr. Stephanie Seneff:
    The glysophate in the MMR allows the glutamate and aluminum to cross the blood – brain barrier which are neurotoxins.
    Neurotoxicity is the cause of autiism, alzheimers, or other dementia, depression, sleep disorders, MS to name a few.


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    Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons Volume 23 Number 4 Winter 2018
    The above printed a re-analysis of the CDC’s MMR-autism data from the original Destefano e at 2004.
    The data, when properly analyzed, using the CDC’s own study protocol, show a strong, statistically significant relationship between the timing of the first MMR vaccine and autism, specifically in African American males. In addition, a relationship also exists in the timing of the MMR vaccine and those individuals who were diagnosed with autism without mental retardation.

    These relationships call into question the conclusion of the original Destefano et al. 2004 paper which dismissed a connection between the MMR vaccine and autism.


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    Health,
    See previously, I brought proof of SIDS, I will try to post others.
    Also, just because diseases are infectious doesn’t mean they’re bad or that we need to eradicate them.
    Hashem created our body to fight off infectious diseases, not so much to get rid of an overload of injected toxins.


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    Ubiquitin,
    don’t bother, even if you come out ahead in this argument, there are many, many more reasons NOT to vaccinate.


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    Health,
    To repeat myself, autism is far from the only reason not to vaccinate.
    How about SIDS and cancer, as more deadly than measles, mumps or chicken pox?


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    Health,
    question is, are vaccines MORE deadly?


    truthishidden
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    Its easy to come up with a “study proving” whatever you need. Especially if it makes them a nice profit!

    BTW, autism is far from the only reason not to vaccinate.


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    2scents,
    2 negatives do not make a positive.
    I am still not comfortable INJECTING aluminum, a known neurotoxin, no matter how small an amount , in me or my children.
    P.S. I have no problem that aluminum is in all these processed products that you state. Noone is forcing me to consume/use them. That is one of the reasons why I keep away from as many processed products as possible.


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    2Scents,
    There is no safe amount when it comes to neurotoxins, such as mercury and aluminum.
    The CDC says this about lead, which they can afford to, because it’s not in any vaccines.


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    Yserbius123,
    Re: ethyl-mercury vs methyl-mercury
    pubmed/23401210:
    However, our knowledge on this subject is still incomplete, and studies are required to address the predictability of the additive or synergic toxicological effects of etHg (Ethylmercury) and (methylmercury) meHg (or other neurotoxicants).

    pubmed/11331700:
    Limited data on toxicity from low-dose exposures to ethylmercury are available, but toxicity may be similar to that of methylmercury.

    And with this limited information you’re OK with injecting this into your children?

    in reply to: Herd Immunity for Dummies #1639669

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    According to Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head of the Department of Biostatistics of the University of North Carolina School of Public Health:
    In order to qualify for classification as paralytic poliomyelitis, the patient had to exhibit paralytic symptoms for at least 60 days after the onset of the disease. Prior to 1954, the patient had to exhibit paralytic symptoms for only 24 hours. Laboratory confirmation and the presence of residual paralysis were not required. After 1954, residual paralysis was determined 10 to 20 days and again 50 to 70 days after the onset of the disease. This change in definition meant that in 1955 we started reporting a new disease, namely, paralytic poliomyelitis with a longer lasting paralysis.

    Under the new definition of polio, thousands of cases which would have previously been counted as polio would no longer be counted as polio. The change in the definition laid the groundwork for creating the impression that the Salk vaccine was effective.

    in reply to: Herd Immunity for Dummies #1639670

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    β€œYou may choose to look the other way, but you can never say again that you did not know.”
    β€” William Wilberforce

    in reply to: Herd Immunity for Dummies #1639665

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    Milhouse,
    Check out the below article explaining that polio was NOT eradicated from India
    JSTOR
    JOURNAL ARTICLE
    Polio Eradication Programme: A Failure
    Yash Paul
    Economic and Political Weekly
    Vol. 41, No. 43/44 (Nov. 4-10, 2006), pp. 4538-4540

    in reply to: Herd Immunity for Dummies #1639628

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    In 2003, when polio was endemic in India, 8,500 cases of AFP were recorded. So far in 2015, a year after India was declared polio free, there have been nearly 18,000 reported instances but none linked to polio.
    (The Wall Street Journal)

    in reply to: Herd Immunity for Dummies #1639602

    truthishidden
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    2scents and Milhouse are clearly pushing an agenda, are you a pediatrician that get paid for vaccinating your patients?

    in reply to: Herd Immunity for Dummies #1639601

    truthishidden
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    Did you know that we don’t vaccinate for paralytic polio, only the milder forms that noone was afraid of?

    in reply to: Herd Immunity for Dummies #1639375

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    For those that understand the dangers of vaccines, they do not need, nor want your “herd immunity.”
    We would be a healthier population if everyone stopped vaccinating.
    We are not afraid of the so-called “deadly diseases,” they are not as deadly as the CDC would have us believe.
    The vaccines are deadlier.


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    The number of measles deaths declined from 7575 in 1920 (10,000 per year in many years in the 1910s) to an average of 432 each year from 1958-1962. The vaccine was introduced in 1963. Between 2005 and 2014, there have been no deaths from measles in the U.S. and 108 deaths from the MMR vaccine.
    These numbers are from the CDC.


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    DR ROBERT MENDELSON
    If immunizations were responsible for the diminishing or disappearance of these diseases in the United States, one must ask why they disappeared simultaneously in Europe, where mass immunizations did not take place.

    in reply to: Schools and vaccinations β€” a modest proposal #1637598

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    So now you only trust rabbanim that hold like you!
    And then you wonder why rabbanim are not coming out publicly, bec. they would be stoned, instead of applauded for their integrity!


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    2scents: SIDS deaths in the United States have been declining since the early 1990s for a variety of factors that include recommended changes in sleeping position and environment, clarification of the case definition, and diagnostic coding shifts [19–22].

    You need to read carefully to understand what is being written here. “clarification of the case definition, and diagnostic coding shifts” basically means they changed the name of SIDS, so of course the rate of SIDS went down.
    As I posted previously:
    In 1992, to address the unacceptable SIDS rate, the American Academy of Pediatrics initiated a β€˜Back to Sleep’ campaign, convincing parents to place their infants supine, rather than prone, during sleep.
    From 1992 to 2001, the postneonatal SIDS rate dropped by an average annual rate of 8.6%. However, other causes of sudden unexpected infant death (SUID) increased.
    For example, the postneonatal mortality rate from β€˜suffocation in bed’ (ICD-9 code E913.0) increased during this same period at an average annual rate of 11.2%.
    (In Australia, Mitchell et al. observed that when the SIDS rate decreased, deaths attributed to asphyxia increased. Overpeck et al. and others, reported similar observations.)
    This results in a non-significant decline in SIDS
    Human & Experimental Toxicology, 2011


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    2scents,
    It is my understanding that you believe there is are no serious negative effects to vaccines.
    Can you explain how you came to such conclusion?
    (Lack of evidence is not proof)


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    2scents,
    The fact remains, and all know it, vaccines are not without serious negative effects. (“Unavoidably Unsafe”)
    Also, there is no proof that such negative effects are safer/better than the negative effects of the diseases the vaccines are meant to prevent.
    If it is unethical to do such study, it is definitely unethical to force the masses to take said risk.

    There are many other modalities to strengthening the immune system, we do not have to resort to injecting toxins into our healthy young ones.

    in reply to: The Anti-Vaxxers are Causing a Chillul Hashem #1635639

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    Per the CDC website:
    As of November 3, 2018, 220 individual cases of measles have been confirmed in 26 states and the District of Columbia.
    The number of US reported cases in 2018 is similar to recent years and is in the expected range.

    Why all the hype?


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    Infants are systematically given multiple doses of vaccines at one time, so it is the combined level of formaldehyde exposure that needs to be calculated, not the amount in a single vaccine dose.
    According to Dr. Sherri J. Tenpenny’s Integrative Medical Center, by the time a child has reached 5 years of age, he or she has been injected with a total of 1,795 micrograms (mcg), or 1.795 milligrams of formaldehyde, as follows:

    Hepatitis b – 3 doses x 15 mcg each
    DTaP – 5 doses x 100 mcg each
    Polio (IPV) – 5 doses x 200 mcg each
    Influenza – 6 doses x 25 mcg each
    Hepatitis A – 1 dose x 100 mcg each

    in reply to: Herd Immunity for Dummies #1635606

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    Someone doesn’t have a good answer to the valid argument brought.


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    anon1m0us: I am PRO Polio and Measels! You vaxxers never stopped to analyze the benefits of not vaxing. It eliminates the stupid and dumb people from propagating their dumb genetics to the future generations. This is a golden opportunity to ensure our future generations will be smart, intelligent, and talmia chachomim.

    The best line I’ve heard in a long time!
    Its mind boggling that they’re getting away with it for such a long time, but sheker can’t stand forever!
    It is much easier to make a man believe a lie, then it is to make him believe that he has been lied to.


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    Syag Lchochma: Okay, that’s just plain dumb because chicken pox, and mumps both can cause sterility in post pubescent males.

    So lets do a study comparing rates of infertility from said diseases and exposure to formaldehyde.
    if no such study is done, how can I trust that the vaccine is safer than the disease its meant to prevent?


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    Vaccinator: So while monkey kidney cells might be on the ingredients list of a vaccine because they were used to make the vaccine, they aren’t actually in the final vaccine product.

    That doesn’t make much sense, if it wouldn’t be in the vaccine it wouldn’t be on the ingredient list.


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    Yserbius123: Can you repost it then?
    Sorry, too time consuming, maybe the mods can find those posts? If you have any specific questions I’ll be happy to answer.

    Yserbius123: various claims on the dangers of vaccines that don’t really reflect reality,
    I brought clear studies indicating the reality, if you have any issue with it, please lets discuss.


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    Yserbius123
    I’ve answered, but my posts must’ve gotten lost

    in reply to: Herd Immunity for Dummies #1635294

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    The reason herd immunity can’t happen in a vaccinated (artificial immune) population
    1. Vaccines are not 100% effective (sometimes as low as 50%)
    2. Vaccines create temporal (short-term) antibodies ONLY, most of these vaccines lost their effectiveness 2 to 10 years after being given.
    3. Dr. Merrill Chase , did clear-cut research on this issue back in the 1950s. His results are clear: antibody levels don’t determine immunity.

    In essence, at least 50% or more of the population was unprotected for decades.

    in reply to: Herd Immunity for Dummies #1635295

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    I don’t need, nor want your herd immunity, so if your vaccinating to protect me, please stop!


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    Further information on formaldehyde (also found in flu vaccines given to pregnant women)
    “adverse reproductive and developmental effects, in human populations…
    Further assessment of this association by meta-analysis revealed an increased risk of spontaneous abortion…
    suggested positive associations between formaldehyde exposure and reproductive toxicity, mostly in males.
    (Mutat Res. 2011 Nov; 728(3): 118–138)

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