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Joseph
“Everything I explained above is taught to little children in Cheder, …”
this is simply not true.
די האסט פארגעסען אז איך האב געלערנט אין חדר און איך האב קיינמאל נישט געהערט אזעלעכע שטותים
And I asked others who never heard of such a thing either. (of course its possibel you were taught that, but it certainly isnt taught in the average chadarim)BTW why did R” chaninya Ben Teradyon ask that the wet sponges be removed? I guess he doesnt like Olam haba as much as you.
DY
How have you been? Its been a while
“Nusach Ashkenaz doesn’t have that phrase.”Yep Ive since caught that (it isnt in the Gemara the teflal comes form either)
Joseph, what nusach do you daven?“Dying al kiddush Hashem doesn’t require a nisayon or even a misah meshunah”
Of course not!
I’m not sure if you read through the thread though or just my post so you can argue.
Joseph said “We all should hope that we, like Rabi Akiva wished for himself, when our time to leave this world arrives we should be killed al kiddush Hashem.”
This involves both a misa meshunah (scraping flesh with iron combs would widely be considered a misa meshuna by any definition I can think of) and a nisayon too.“It seems to be part of a particular nusach of tefilas haderech”
what? No it has nothing to do with Tefials haderech. Iti s a standard part of davening that everybody I know says (or at least did when they werent busy)
Though perhaps nusach Ashkenaz ids diferent (though they have a similar yehi ratzon, it is shorter and might not include that phrase)
joseph?
Mind helping us out? Do you say that yehi ratzon after Hagomel chasadim tovim. Sefard or ashkenaz?“Also one can argue that it is not referring to a misah meshuna that comes about as a kiddush Hashem. ”
Why do you like contrived explanations that arent in the words. IT says misah meshunah it means misah meshuna. period.
“Also, it adds the word “alila” in front, which may give it a slightly different meaning.”
It doesnt” One of the meanings of “alila” is “false charge”. Maybe it is referring to a misa meshuna which is given as a punishment as opposed to a misa meshuna that is a kiddush Hashem. ”
Why would yopu assume that. so it is a very specific tefialh that we should be protected from a “brazen person while we have azis panim who is also a bad friend and neighbor telling lashan haran testifiying falsely who hates people and tattles to the government creatign a libel while we are sick and have harsh sentence against us etc etc” That is quite a specific prayer. Isnt it much more likely that it is listing separate things?
“Furthermore, it is said as part of tefilas haderech, ”
Again it isnt.
Furthermore in the beracha hagomel chasadim (which Joseph certainly says “we say “וְלא לִידֵי נִסָּיון. ” it would be hard to argue that being in a position that one was asked to give his/her life al kiddush hashem R”L isnt a nisayon
” think that people assume that around here a little too quickly sometimes”
Quickly???? It has been years!“Posters have done it with other posters as well (besides Joseph)”
Mai inyan shemitah eitzel har sinai? we are talking about Joseph (though make no mistake other posters do the same thing)LU
I misquoted it is here
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=42759&st=&pgnum=60“He means what he says ”
no he doesnt“but that doesn’t mean that you don’t mean the things you say.”
sometimes it does! *see belowAs Abraham Lincoln famously said “dont believe everything you read on the internet” (google it he really did say that.)
People create online personas, they say all sorts of things to get a rise out of people, to make a provocative statement or just plain old trolling. Joseph has been around for a long time (longer than I have). I know his online persona quite well
See what the moderator had to say http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/how-did-rabbi-akiva-die#post-1270513“And it’s not like what he’s saying is so crazy. ”
It is, and its dangerous that people (like you!) may not realize it. And there are people who are newer to yahadus and more gullible than you. Can you imagine what they think.” It is based on the Gemara.”
Its not” I just think he is misunderstanding the intent of the Gemara.”
Yes, deliberately.
*There is an example of this, in this very post! I made a statement that I dont actually believe. See if you can find it.
Im so confused
Does anybody still take Jospeh seriously?He is well aware of many times throughout davening were we ask Hashem to spare us from Yissurin,
We ask Everyday “v’lo misah meshunah” Joseph knows this.
I cant think of a single place in all of iour tefillos that we ask for a misah meshunah R”l or die al kidush Hashem
(other of course than the joke with the Brisker who is about to bbe killed AL kidush Hasehm so he makes a sincere Beracha in preparation. The would be killer is so moved that he decides to let him go. The Brisker then motions for the killer to finish the task “nu nu Beracha levatala) I guess According to Joseph’s pretend shitah this isnt really a joke)We view R’ AKiva’s Death as such a misah meshuna that many dont even name people with the same name but rather change the last letter from an aleph to hei (chasam Sofer YD)
Any luck finding it?
The Gemara says “everyday” which makes more sense than on a day a nes occured.. what would be wrong with saying Hallel on a day a nes occured? Saying it everyday even when nothing occured minimizes hallel so that is “mecharef umegadef”
(not that the Gemara needs by backing since it says “everyday” and eve nyour peshat that the gemara deosnt say would still only preclude Hallel on a ” regular day (meaning a day that does not call for it).” So if it is said on a day of salavation it still wouldnt be a problem based on your derashaAs to whether Yom haatzmaut is a day a nes occured, that is a side (albeit related issue).
you also made several other unsubstantiated claims in your post1. Chaim Burich honikvetcher and Yechiel michel fenstermacher
2. We do! but not at the expense of chilul shabbos
3. “And in any case, these people aren’t keeping Shabbos anyhow.” Yes you said that, so why cant they have their busses in Tel Avivi?“I am not taking sides here. I am not qualified to.”
I’m not sure why you arent qualified to take sides. You lay out the positions pretty well now decide which makes more sense to you. Nobody is asking you to decide for klal yisorel if you feel uncomfortable doing that. This is a forum we bounce ideas of each other. I certainly am qualified to take a side, and this case is pretty simple, you can take a side too
“According to halacha, saying Hallel even without a bracha is not the same as saying Tehillim, ”
source?
“and there are halachic problems with saying Hallel even without a bracha on a day on which one is not supposed to be saying Hallel.”
Source?
“There are shitas that hold that it is assur to say Hallel without a bracha on Yom HaAtzmaut even if they feel that the day is a day that should be celebrated.”
Source?
(please dont cite כל הקורא הלל בכל יום הרי זה מחרף ומגדף. since nobody is suggesting saying it ” בכל יום”)
“And they don’t feel that they should change their minhag for the sake of people who don’t keep Torah and Mitzvos who would have been mechalel Shabbos anyhow ”
Beseder. However it does expose them as phony’s when they protest busses and cinemas being open on Shabbos. Either chilul Shabbos done by those who “would have been mechalel Shabbos anyhow” affects them somehow and is their concern or it isnt. Only caring about it when it doesnt interrupt your fun activity (and lol at ” a very real part of their religous practices,”) makes it thier general concern look a bit phony.
“If you really want to celebrate in the Jewish tone, celebrate the end of the war”
On chanukah we dont celebrate the end of the war. Now while we celebrate (primarily?) the Nes PAch shemen, we do celebrate the military victory and independence too (eg read AL hanisim ,and see the Rambam “והושיעם מידם והצילם וגברו בני חשמונאי הכהנים הגדולים והרגום והושיעו ישראל מידם והעמידו מלך מן הכהנים וחזרה מלכות לישראל יתר על מאתים שנים עד החורבן השני:” ) though the fighting continued after Chanukah.
WTP
who said push of lag baomer?
The issue is the bonfire “celebrate” Lag baomer whenever you want. But dont have afire that causes chilul shabbos. that is all the Rabbanut said (As far as I know). the boyaner Rebbe agrees and pushed off the fire until early AM.Lag Baomer isnt from Chazal
” it is very curious why the Rabbanut should feel that they know better.”They learnt from chazal who pushed off D’oraysas (shofar, Lulav) For POSSIBLE chilul shabbos Al achas kama vekama for a (relatively) new minhag that isnt deoraysa, isnt derabanon. Some opposed it it all the time should be pushed off for Vadai chilul shabbos .
now if lighting at 3 AM works. Great! there is no problem
Avoiding fish + milk is more common among sefardim
I dont know about that. The fact that The Torah uses “Shana” to describe the length of time he lived (x969) is certainly an indication that it means year as it does throughout Tanach.
I grant that it is possible that length of a year was different at that point. (though there is no indication that this is so). So if it makes you feel better. nu nu. But to say there is no indication that “shana” means what it always means is a stretch
I don’t think anybody actually believes living longer than 120 is impossible. Clearl;y there are a few people in modern history that lived longer than 120. As well as people in Tanach. Yishai was after Moshe Rabbeinu and the Medrash says lived 400 years (though this may very well be a typo/misunderstood abbreviation as some have pointed out).
Interestingly many scientists believe we are not designed to live longer than 120 (generally speaking) Aging is a real phenomena and the body simply breaks down organs stop functioning properly etc etc. Also worth noting is Longevity hasn’t increased much in the past century. Life expectancy has increased, but this is primarily due to increased survival in infancy which has a large impact on average life expectancy
(Eg if you have a society with 10 people 5 live to 90 and 5 die at age 2 R”L The average life expectancy for that group is 46. IF the 5 survive to say 50. The average life expectancy of the group is 70. But in both cases the longevity of hasn’t changed much)“We do not make special azkaros for the entire nation except 9 Av.”
OK so if we exclude Sefardim it would be ok?
I ouldnt have made it in Nissan if they asked for my vote but your distiction between aveilus and yom hazikaronn is contrived at best. Nobody is asking you to fast on yom hashoah.
This idea that choosing a day “cheapens the true azkara of the source of all our Tazros” is so silly. Nobody is saying to to mourn Tisha baav, On Tisha Baav we DO mourn all the tragedies that befell our people including the holocaust and fast and sit on the floor etc. But choosing another day to commemorate the recent holocaust that was above and beyond anything perpetrated in the past (if you dont understand why i’d be happy to explain this to you, often some confusion seems to stem from lack of understanding what made the holocaust unique)Mamale
“And mentioning that Rabbonim discouraged European Yidden to leave for America in the 1920s”
Sadly it was in the 30’s and 40’s too. Though I agree it has nothing to do with the subject at hand.KJ
“Also for those claiming this information shouldn’t be publicized because they don’t like what it says,”
Nobody claimed that. Like all your posts it is more lies and strawmen, please stop.LU
“Everyone agrees that the holocaust should be commemorated ”This isnt quite true
iacisrmma
Im sorry I didint mean it is incorrect. OF course it is.
I meant the idea that after the churban we dont have any other days/preiods of mourning is factually incorrectKJ this thread title isnt about Zionism
It is about an absurd chain of wrong ideas which do not lead one to naother:
some zionists were bad -> Zionism is bad -> Yom hashoah is bad.the logic in that chain is as sound as the anti-zionist logic you always espouse
Joseph
Nu so keep the third day of Adar. Im not sure what you mean by “Dare disregard that date”This isnt a thread criticizing those who dont commemorate Yom Hashoah. We have many of thsoe, and I get why you dont commemorate and nowhere did I criticise you or anyone for “daring to disregard” it . see here for the real reason(s) http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/yom-hashoahany-thoughts#post-944571
ALl I am pointing out is these lines of yours ” We have Tisha B’Av for this.” “it is inappropriate to make the day in Nissan” Are atbest debatable if not outright incorrect.
Joseph
Have you heard of 20 Sivan? Erev Shabbos Parshas Chukas “Zos chukas Hatorah”?. google them. This idea that we dont mourn on other days aside from Tisha B’av is demonstrably false. As is the idea that we dont mourn during Nissan. (I am scratching my itchy face much like any avel as I type this)
lightbrite
As you may by now know there is a wide spectrum of beleif/practice within jewry. similarly their is a wide spectrum of brain function. Sadly some Jews are simply not so right in the head. They are so driven by their hatred of others that they will lie misrepresent and misconstrue to demonize the other. (note: he would say the same about me) Dont let this color your perception of all Jews or even all right wing/”ultra-orthodox” Jews.
Just to point out the ridiculousness of the post. Take a step back and ask yourself, for arguments sake lets say the post were true, what does that have to do with Yom Hashoah today? Ok so for arguments sake the Zionists were all bad (note: this too doesn’t follow from the OP) What does that change whether appropriate to commemorate the Shoah?
the answer is it doesn’t. and KJ knows it. but it does allow him to post vile untruths about Jews he doesn’t like.
As to your questions:
“What’s the motive of this thread?”
This one you answered: ” To accuse Jews of murdering their people”“m I the only one who is insulted and feels like right away it comes across disrespecting the lives and memories of our families who perished in the Shoah?”
No most readers here are“Why is this thread here?”
this one I’m not fully sure, I guess to show how silly people can be?
“The definition of mishing (as I understand it) is that you don’t eat stuff that was produced outside of your home/ without your supervision. ”
Again, that is the definition as you understand it. This does not make it so. (plus even lishitascha this isnt accurate because you allow for wine and matzah)
I’m familiar with this idea behind it. But the bottom line is there is no “hilchos mishing” So whether mishing includes eating mass produced foods, foods from your Rebbe, sister, son, married daughter nephew Doesnt depend on what the definition is as you understand it.
Your vertel about mazal fals flat too. I’m not sure how my eating food that you dropped a crumb into r”l is dependent on your mazel. In your last paragraph you acknowledge this that it depends on my bad luck if the worker mixed his bread in.
“The minhag of some is to buy wine and matzah, ”
Exactly and the minhag by others is to eat from supervised items but not from private homes
“nevertheless in every food factory there are workers, …”
Yes I get that, and I understand why some refrain. As I mentioned it can even be argued that mass produced items are WORSE than home cooked by someone you know, who for example wont have workers bring in treif.
All I am saying is that this statment of yours “If you eat processed foods, then you are by defintion mishing. It is the same thing.” Isnt necessarily true“If you eat processed foods, then you are by defintion mishing. It is the same thing.”
Meheichi tesi?To the best of my knowledge there is no hilchos mishing (yet). Processed foods are a relatively new innovation. So I dont see anything wrong with somebody who wants to keep the minghag of not miching but not in the new situation of processed foods.
As to a sevara why it would be different. Thats easy too. Processed foods are produced under the supervision of a knowledgeable individual who knows halacha and knows what to look out for. so arguably there is less of a chashash than from stam a balebustah .
Of course you can easily argue that Processed foods are worse. But I m not sure why you decide they are “by definition… the same thing” Stranger still you seem to accept that wine and matzah are allowed from outside the home
Others include:
Bashefer = creator
Derbaremdiger = Merciful one
Almechtiger = Almighty one(though the last too are usually put together w/ God. As in “Almechtiger Gut”
“Who here calls Hashem the Abeshter?”
Me
“What does it mean?”
Literately it means “highest one” It refers to Hashem, as you seem to have gathered
“Do you call Hashem Hashem sometimes and/or Ribbono she Olam and/or G-d?”
Yes to all“Does everyone know what you mean when you say Abeshter?
Everyone IVe used it in front of
“unless it permits someone (besides a judge, for example an arbitrator) to set that value if the parties do not agree ”
It does. It says a panel of “three experts” though the experts are not usually specified
“but the common sense way…”
As mentioned by a few posters above, that is basically how it is handled (though he puts up a down payment up front as well)
ZD
Just saw that story. Now that makes me very uncomfortable (although note it is the exact opposite of Joseph’s point).I dont understand why they stopped him from taking his chometz. The only reason I cna think of is they were concerned that he wouldnt actually be able/willing to pay the potentially thousands of dollars he’d owe. Though that makes me more uncomfortable.
Though it should be noted I imagine the sale is binding (halachicly and legally) even if there is no conceivable way the guy could pay for it.
LU
look up Troll
He isnt asking a real question. He is trying to confuse people. OF course there is no reason to take it from anonymours posters on the internet. He can ask anybody involved in a sale and they would tell him the same thing I and others have told him.
And is delibrate misleading isnt benign. He has you confused. you identfiy his question as a “good one”Of course there is nothing wrong with raising questions,, but sometimes there are answers. When people dont care about the answers and just want to mock a legitimate Yiddishe Hanahga it is important to call it out such even in a non-polite way.
and I know you dont realize what Joseph is doing, partly becasue you are new here and partly because of your naivete (which isnt a bad thing per se)
Also note: I wasnt rude to him. It was only after you thought it was a good question after5 people already answered it. That I simply pointed out it wasnt a good questionSmerel
Im sure many botei dinim do it differently. Where Ive ben they gave it as a present (OF course the Goy still needs to perform a kinyanLU
“The fact that there are answers doesn’t mean it’s not a good question.”It depends on the sequence. IF the question is asked after it was already answered then it isnt a good question.
joseph knows it. Youve been around a while Im surprised you dont know it yet too.
Smerel
for themost part the blios arent sold as they arent worth a shava perutah. (Where Ive sold my chometz theyve given as a matona)
Youre comment though raises the Misplaced concern Joseph has.
“Have fun getting this all together to give to him.”
Im not sure what you eman by that. when the Goy is offered to (As joseph said, and is in fact done) “he can keep the chometz this year and pay me the fair market value.”
If the Goy accepts Im certain (or at least hope) youd be happy to gathter up your chometz and give it to him in echange for the fair market value.“You are raising a good point”
He isnt. Multiple people explained why it doesnt work that way.
Joseph
Again,
“Exactly! Which is why I told him he can have the Cheerios, etc and give me the cash.”This isnt your chiduish, he is generally told that. However if he doesnt want to go through with it you cant force him, see Sam2’s detailed explanation above
“A contract is a contract. I’m simply holding him up to keeping his end of our bargain.”
Have you read the contract?
“I told my goy he can keep the chometz this year and pay me the fair market value. ”
He is usually told that every year. The question is what did he say.
I’m confused by this conversation
So a guy who didn’t grow up with a seder.
His wife used potato for Karla
His Rosh yeshiva uses cellar.
His father’s father’s home town used onion
His yeshiva uses parsley.So he can use any of the above so long as it isn’t potato?
Where did you get this strange notion from that the wife’s minhagim ate nullified by the husbands even if they don’t exist?Of course you’d follow the wife.
A wife following the husbands minhagim isn’t as halacha lemoshe misinai as people think. It’s a relatively recent question. R’ Moshe says it’s like she’s moving to his locale so she adopts his minhagim. If he doesn’t have minhagim there is no reason he can’t adopt hers.
(Some minhagim are older and more defining of segments of jewry and perhaps this wouldn’t apply , for example kitnitos which even if an Ashkenazi doesn’t know his minhag, we do)
“For obvious reasons,…”
/yes Its obvious that your arguemtn doesnt hold water.
Keeping Gebrokts isnt about being frummer (at least it shouldnt be) IT is about keeping minhagim, following mesora, which is a key theme of PEsach.Your point regarding kula vs chumra is right, but thats true regarding any minhag. I assume you keep Kitniyos even though it too detracts from Simchas Yom Tov.
“If someone has a mesora not to eat gebrots, that is one thing. But in the absence of such a mesora, there is no advantage (halachically) to refrain from eating them,”
did anyone say otherwise?
The piece made me sad.
Hotels for pesach aren’t my thing and I enjoy tom gov at home.
The writer sounds miserable at home but sadly can’t afford going away for pesach. Which is why he is so happy that others who planned on going away are forced to be home much like he is.Truly a rachmanos
Of course it was obvious.
Nut then again I thought my post where I said comparing them to terrorists was absurd, was obvious that I wasn’t comparing anybody to a terrorist.
mw13
“So you think inconveniencing some people is fine, ”
I wouldnt say “fine” but sometimes it is neccesary“but inconveniencing many people is comparable to terrorism?”
Um no. I explictly said the opposite. (see: “highlights how your comparison (much like the comparison to terrosim) is absurd”)
“there is no rational way to deal with these people… this isnt a rational protest over a real issue. This is pure mayhem for the sake of mayhem”
Um yeah that was what I said. so we agree?
“And you’re a terrorist, so there.”
Ok, i’ll bite/ How did you reach that profound conclusion?
“ridiculous comparisons, ”
werent you the one who compared protesting for a draft registration that existed for decades to protesting terrorism?“vile name-calling”
werent you the one who called me a terrorist?“Just curious if ubiq & avi k think that this is also “to provide an outlet and let off some steam”, “time to play in the street and inconvenience others”, etc?”
I dont follow. Are they inconvenencing others? What is the connection?
The real crux of the issue is there is not much that can eb doen about it, which is why People are calling for murder/death penalty and comparing to terrorsim, there is no rational way to deal with these people (of course calling for merder is absurd, which is my point) this isnt a rational protest over a real issue. This is pure mayhem for the sake of mayhem. These people have no interest in reason, they have no job that they are missing and no Torah they are missing either. They can spend their days in and out inconvenencing others who do have to go to work learn etc. And not much that can be done.
There is no comparison to disabled people protesting, who a have a specific goal made their point and moved on. The fact that you provide a report of one incident, with not many people being inconvenienced and ended quickly, highlights how your comparison (much like the comparison to terrosim) is absurdyekke
“It’s not just a cute vertel. The Chafetz Chaim was ready and willing to go to war for the spiritual future of Klal Yisroel …”
Though your story sounds imaginary, mostsignificantly because the Russians did (as I assume you know) pose a threat to Yidishkeit, yet (to the best of my knowedge) there was no mass riots. Im not arguing on the point of the vertel. But using it as a histroical explanation isnt literal. I provided an exception, as did you.
“You’ll have to take that up with Hagaon Hatzadik R’ Shmuel Aurebach.”
Gladly! do you have his number? or email perhaps? I fairly certain he doesnt read YWNLU
“It’s about not being aware of the purpose of this thread, and more importantly the purpose of our existence.”sure I do! the purpose of our existence is to be mechalel shomayim and draw the ire of chilonim (and many chareidim) while inconveniencing them over a non-issue.
LU
“it sounds like you are not even aware of the reason for the protests.”
Dont worry I am well aware of the reason. It is to provide an outlet and let off some steam. Ive been to my fair share of protests. My favorite ones where in the 90’s when people protested chilul Shabbos hoping the mishtara would show up causing more chilul shabbos than was prevented. Good times. Though sadly not as many people were inconveniencedMw13
“so we had to take matters into our own hands and fight a physical battle to save our spiritual well-being”Shkoyach for the cute vertel. (It isnt historically accurate of course for e.g. there was no violent uprising when faced by the Spanish inquisition but I don’t mean to nitpick and it is a nice (and famous)vertel)
However it stretches credibility to call the required registration that has been in place for decades a threat in “our spiritual well being”
LU
“Great idea – maybe you should follow it instead of protesting in the CR against the demonstrators.”
My guess is ZD believes in doing hishtadlus, he is following what he believes.
On the other hand It is hypocritical when a group claims to believe that learning protects them so they dont need to serve (even in a non-military capacity). yet when faced with a “threat” (and it is hard to call having people register a threat) all of a sudden forget about learning, it is time to play in the street and inconvenience othersakuperma
A few points
“If you get rid of that, one can easily make bread, pizza, etc. for Pesach.”Nu? there is nothing wrong with making bread or pizza on Pesach. There is something wrong with having Chametz. We just read about all the different styles of Korbon Mincha brought, including a variety of breads none of which wer chametz, LEchem hapanim arent chametz, etc etc
“where is the logic in object to corn”
As explained on the other thread. IT isnt based on logic. Minhagim are based on mesora. where is the logic to ban corn/rice if cooked within 18 minutes (we eat wheat which can become chametz when baked withing 18 minutes). IF the concern is the appearance why not ban matzah meal?“Allow corn, and not all that much will be banned…”
that isnt a bad thing per se. And many Sefardim do that, Chazal did that as well. I dotn know if they Pizza (they had bread obviously though not chametz) and their Pesach wasnt/isnt less special than ours.
however our minhag is not to allow corn, so we dont. We dont have a minhag regarding Quinoa so there is no reason to start one.simcha613
A better example is R’ Moshe’s Teshuva on peanuts where he says they arent included in kitniyos for the very reason you mention. However klal yisroel has accepted that peanuts are kitniyos (I’m sure their are yechidim who do eat peanuts but clearly the general hanhaga is not to)
On the other hand Corn which wasnt included in the original geziera is kitniyos according to all (as far as I am aware). As mentioned, some tried to include Potatoes but the practice is not to.
The bottom line is, their isnt always logic to these minhagim and the “reasons” given often lead to more questions than answers . Consider we treat kitniyos more chamur than wheat, since we DO eat wheat (As long as follows strict rules) yet rice we dont eat at all. They develop out of love for mitzvos and concern for issurim. There is no need for you to add new issurim just follow the practice of klal yisroel, maaminim benei maaminim and you will be fine.
I dont understand your question. Are you doing a survey of minhagim?
Mine is exactly like you said:
“The custom, as you note, is not to eat roasted food on the Seder night, but only if the food was dry at the outset. ”
regardless of whether roasted in oven or in pot (like the m”b)Avi
“on the other hand we say “Modim anachnu lach”. “lach” is the feminine “you”.”
Not quite. (in fact the very next word is “sheatah”) the reason why it is “lach” is becasue it is a quote from Divrei Hayamim 19:13. There it is lach since by an esnachta LEcha becomes lach (occasionally by a zakef katan too).
Avi
See for example
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=9597&st=&pgnum=76passuk 19 where “lach” is directed to Adam
WTP
“my opinion, the “man” in “woman” or “mankind” is no more offensive than the “man”Yes I got that. And your joke was hilarious.
Again though (and for the last time) the two examples are completely different. so while I agree that there is no reason to be offended by the “Man” in Mankind nor the man in manicure. They are not the same, and thus not comparable. similarly the “MAN” in MeANing (look for it it too contains the 3 letters MAN) is also differentAvi
I dont understand your post. We dont refer to Hashem as “It” we refer to him as “He”. Open any Parsha in Chumash.animals have for a while been reffered to as He/she by their owners who may have a “personal relationship” with it.
Interestingly though, ships have been refferd to as “sHe” though this is falling into disfavor.
Rebyidd
You are right. I dont.WTP.
IT doesnt highlight the ridiculousness because the two arent related. RebYidd’s example though isWTP
Nobody has a problem with the three letters MAN. This is a strawman. (oops, starwperson). The discussion is over the word MAN when it excludes females. As in Fireman, Policeman etc.
If you look up the etymology of the words you list, none of them (to my knowledge) have anything to do with male/female. much like adaMANt, and MANnage dont.
On the other hand the word “mankind” is based on the word Man as in male. Now whether it bothers you that the “default” or main gender is the male gender is a separate issue. It seems not to, and perhaps it is silly to be bothered that Males are the dominant gender.
But is is sillier to misconstrue the discussion as being against the 3 letters MAN