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Its not diversion, Kanoim are using the smartphones as a diversion for their own failures.
How many Asifas have their been for smartphones and how many asifas for Molestation, Abuse, Agunahs , Finances combined. It shows where priorities lay.
Smartphones are widespread in the Kehilla, but the other issues are a problem with leadership. If you knew for a fact a person used a smartphone or let an abuser get free. Whom would you consider a bigger Rasha. The leadership who poo-poos these bigger issues are causing people not to follow the Rabbanim. If people lose faith in the Rabbanim you have a much bigger problem
I actually intend to be in Yerushalim on lag Baomer, Hotels arent that much more expensive then. The action on Lag BaOmer is in Merom, not Jerusalem
Its much easier to blame society ills on smartphones and easier to give mussar on them than do the same for molestation, abuse, Finances, Agunahs etc
The internet is not the biggest issue facing torah judaism today
Its Finances. Sure many will try to hold on as long as they can, but at some point the money does run out and the landlord or the electric company does not care you are doing Hashems work, they want their money (and need it themselves in many cases)
Finances have been historically the #1 issue why people went OTD and will likley remain so
DY
I think there was a story of a jew who made a bet he could get Hillel angry and would go by his house all the time yelling where is Hillel and asking insane questions and Hillel still did not punch him and was nice to him
When the roman went to Hillel and asked that the Torah be taught on one foot, Hillel did not knock his teeth out, but rather treated him nicely.
Other examples of Hillel HaZaken showed similar reactions
We ate a lettuce sandwich on some crackers. Mixed with a little apple/nuts/wine mixture
It’s not what you do use it for, it’s what you could use it for.
Maybe the hands comparison was bad, but something like a car would be a better choice
Sure you can drive to the yeshiva, but you can also drive to other places alot worse than whats on the internet. And there is no filter for driving
Probably the person who wants a Kosher Cake or Kosher Caterer is probably a lapsed frum jew
I should have made myself clear
The issue is not if a Rabbi or a Yeshiva should have such a wedding , but rather related businesses (The non sectarian parts like Photographer, Baker or Caterer) should be required to preform their business in events they consider abhorant.
DY
The Cake is the issue. Should a Bakery be required to Bake a Cake saying Mazal Tov Reuven and Shimon, Is it really any different than baking a cake Mazal Tov Berel and Christine?
Somone earlier said it would be a chilul Hashem to bake a Mazal tov Reuven and Shimon cake because word of mouth would come out that you baked such a cake. I can almost be 100% sure some frum baker baked a Mazal Tov Reuven and Christine Cake. They probably did it quietly
FYI the law does not force a Rabbi to perform a Same gender wedding. If that were the case a Rabbi could be forced to perform a mixed marriage which they are not.
Also it is not legal to force a Yeshiva or Shul to hold a mixed marriage ceremony.
The issue is if someone in a mixed marriage or same gender wedding would want a Glatt Kosher wedding at say the Waldorf Astoria (An event at at neutral location) . I am sure there have been glatt Kosher affairs involving mixed marriages and I am fairly sure Kosher Bakers have made Cakes saying Mazal Tov to Berel and Christine.
I wouldnt be suprised if there have been Glatt Kosher events for mixed marriages, Jewish Flower stores proving flowers for mixed marriages or Kosher Bakers baking the cake saying Mazal tov to Berel and Christine. It has rarely been an issue before.
OO = Open Orthodox.
Its run by people who want to charge Halacha.I think its main advocate is Avi Weiss
Even if there is a law to allow not serving Toevah people, there is no law (and never would be such a law) to prevent people from protesting your establishment
There is a specific Halacha not to do business with Avodah Zarah, you are not allowed Benefit from it, Even if you think its stupid and would never do it yourself
, One could discuss chilul Hashem or other things with Toeivah, but its not the same Halacha. There is no Halacha that you cant finnancially benefit from such and event. Only that you dont do the Averirah.
Sam2
I think Newbee is referring to the part of Avodah Zarah where it says you are not allowed to do business with an idol worshipper for a few days before his holidays.
I never said it was Muttar, I said baking a cake for a toeivah marriage is not the same thing as baking a cake for an Avodah Zarah Event.
Its probably ok to bake the cake for the toeivah marriage , It is probably not OK to bake a cake for for an Avodah Zarah event.
It is against Halacha to make any money of Avodah Zarah.
It is not against Halacha for Hindus to get married, but I think at the event there usually is some event to the Hindu dieties. And there are Hindu holidays where you might be forced to do business in support of these holidays
Its alot worse to support Avodah Zarah than Toeiva
This was posed
Should a photographer be forced to accept a job to photograph a toeiva marriage? Should a baker be forced to bake a cake for a toeiva engagement? Should a wedding hall be forced to rent to a toeiva wedding? Should a band be forced to take a job playing at a toeiva event?
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Should a photographer be forced to accept a job to photograph a Hindu marriage? Should a baker be forced to bake a cake for a Hindu engagement? Should a wedding hall be forced to rent to a Hindu wedding? Should a band be forced to take a job playing at a Hindu event?
The Toeiva is not against Halacha, but the Avodah Zarah is, and it IS against the law to descriminate against Hindus like that
I think the Halacha is quite clear you cannot do business with someone who is buying something for a celebration of Avodah Zarah.
So if someone comes into your shop asking about outfits for Diwali (A Hindu Holiday) or good food to serve at the meal of Diwali, I am fairly certain its against Halacha to sell to them the items
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It wasnt too long ago that there were sign No Dogs or jews Allowed
If a person walks into a frum store wearing a Budda or cross around his neck, Should the store owner have the right to kick out the Avodah Zarah?
Someone could have given him spoiled milk and Rav Moshe did not want to embarasses the person for doing so , so said it was Chalav Stam as they would not be as bad as giving him spoiled milk.
But how would Rav Moshe tz”l know that it was chalav stam without asking the person?
I think you totally missed my point. I dont know if the story is true or not, I am suggesting that they story might be true but for a different reason and IMO my version actually shows greater midot of Rav Moshe.
I really dont belive that Rav Moshe vomited Chalav Stam , because it was Chalav Stam and people are using this as a reason not to use it. It would show that Rav Moshe was a Hippocrite (CHV) as he said one thing but did another, However if he was accidently given spoiled milk and did not want to embarass the giver, This shows his mida of not embarrasing someone who did an accident and one should not yell at someone who Puts too much salt in the soup , Closes door on your fingers or accidently gives you spoiled milk.
Why is it not possible that the Chazon Ish read and spoke German.
Belarus was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and German was the spoken Language (As were others). Prior to WW I , German was generally the language of the educated. English did not become the language of the educated until after WW II, when German became disdaned and French lost luster
DY
What difference does the Baker or the Butler’s offense against Paroah?
Imagine you are serving the Gadol Hador some milk and suddenly he throws up. You would feel terrible of course, but if you served him spoiled milk you would feel even worse as you could have gotten him sick or worse. But if you served him Chalav Stam which you knew Rav Moshe poskind was OK, you would feel bad you did not give him Chalav Yirosel , but you wouldnt feel as bad as you might have sent him to the ER for spoiled milk.
I have heard many stories about Gedolim where they gave a different reason for the action than the real reason as not to embarass a person.
For example Rav Yaakov Kamenetsky wasnt sure about someones Kashruth on Pesach so he said he didnt each Gebroachs as not to embarass that person.
They story about Rav Moshe could have been the following. Someone could have given him spoiled milk and Rav Moshe did not want to embarasses the person for doing so , so said it was Chalav Stam as they would not be as bad as giving him spoiled milk
We all know there are no Toeivah people in the Charedi world
About the socialogical factors
If someone moved to a Chassidish community, would they be required not to eat Gebrachs even if their family was Litvish or even Sephardic.
Potato bread in the store is Chametz, however one could make it in their homes that it would not be Chametz
The O-U only permits Quinoa with its Hashghaca (Or Star-k). It is not a blanker permissability.
Potatoes can be used like grain, Ever hear of Potato Bread?
The O-U went to Peru and saw how Quinoa is grown. it not true that it grows near other grains.
Corn was not even available until the Europeans came to the New World. Its actual name is Maize and somehow the name got mixed up with something else (I forgot off the top of my head)
Wild Rice is another product that should not be Kitnyot. Its a grass, not a rice
DY
by that definition, Potatoes should by Kitnyot (and BTW many wanted to do so)
Its more of a problem in Israel where its really hard to buy stuff without buying Kitnyot.
I think a better example would be if you moved to a new community you were supposed to take the minhagim of that communmity (Prior to WW 1 when people did not move as much) So an Ashkenz who moved to a sephardic country would become a Sephard and Vice Versa. Today Sephardim and Askhenzim are intermixed and its harder.
Quinoa is a better example of Kitniyot going wild. Exactly why some think its kitnyot makes people question the entire minhag. Quinoa is a berry not a legume. It is closer to a blueberry than a pea yet some have delcared it Kitnyot.
Sam,
There are people I have heard of who go to YU/Stern who are not religious, so I would not take the bet that nobody at yu doesnt think secular studies are more important that torah studies
that being said, They should be commended for taking such students, many might not have a jewish education before and it is a risk of doing Kiruv that you might let some students in. I doubt very many if any Charedi schools (Except Chabad , maybe) would let someone in if they were not religous and not throw them out if they declared themselved OTD, which YU keeps in the hope they will return
Alot less people nowadays die from fires than in previous generations. I think 1/3 of Chicago burned in the great fire of 1867 and fires were quite common in the Shtels
Most milk is Chalav Machine. Nobody milks a cow anymore. Its all done by machines and mostly automated. It never touches a human until it comes to your house
YU and Stern have not only seperate classes, they have seperate buildings, YU is by 184th st area and Stern by 34th St. Nowhere near each other
It is true that Einstein , Cardozo, Sy Syms and Wertzweiler have mixed classes, but those are graduate programs
Ok I wasnt going to post this, but I was In a fire once when I was in Yeshiva. Luckily the school had regular fire drills and was prepared to evacuate the building qucikly with all the children without panic (I do remember seeing the flames)
Luckily nobody was hurt and the building wasnt damaged that badly (took about a month to repair)
Nothing beats proper preperation
Is one allowed to say they checked their Mezzuzahs and Hashem will protect or should one check their smoke detectors and then ask hashem to protect
Also make sure you dont buy any medicines from Sanofi like Amoxocillian, Plavix, Allegra, Maalox or Ambian.
I hope those who boycott also boycott Bayer and BASF which are the decendent companies of IG Farben who made the gas chambers
A few years ago, Erev Pesach was very windy and very cold. You could not burn the Chametz because of the cold and especially the wind. Some Bochrim HAD to burn their chametz and doused the chametz with Paint Thinner. It of couse not only burned the chametz, but also burned them as well.
Should one Chizuk from this or should one learn not to burn Chametz with Highly Flammeable materials and realize you need to take responsibility
While there are some germans alive who were Nazis. WWII ended 70 years ago. Someone who was 18 in 1945 would be 88 today. You cant really expect an 18 year old to understand everything. Someone who was 30 in 1945 who would have understood would be 100 today.
Unfortunatly Leipzig was a little differnt because it was in East Germany and many of their reperations did not start happening until the Berlin wall fell. They have only begun recently paying them because of communism
Should one take Mussar from this?
Frum Man R”L Killed After Falling Off Ladder In Brooklyn [UPDATED 8:44PM]
Will Rabbi Wallerstein be giving a speach trying to explain that?
There is an attitute in the frum community “Hashem controls everything”, I am not debating that, however when someone is sick, you dont say that, you go to the doctor and get the medicine and THEN you can say that.
However I really heard people say that exact thing before Hurricane Irene and Hurricane Sandy and they did not evacuate Far Rockaway.
Is it such a terrible mussur to remind people that while we must realize hashem controls everything, we must also do whatever it is in our power to help ourselves and then ask Hashem for help. ie check your batteries on a working smoke dector and trust in hashem that it will go off when its supposed to.
newbee what are the 5 bad habits your rav gave?
Many times things Pshat, Just Pshat and you dont need Rashi, Tosfot, other Rishonim and Achronim to explain it to you
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you are correct.
Im not sure I would call Hamodia “Daas Torah”
Yes one should realize hashem is in charge, however one is forbidden from standing in the middle of the BQE and saying hashem is in charge and will protect me from harm.
It is one thing to castigate the parents for what happend. Its quite another to remind the Kehila that proper safety is a good idea. Unfortunatly people usually only listen to such things when there is a tragdety. I doubt many people would be checking their smoke detectors had this not happend and have put even more lives at risk. These Kedoshim should in their merit be zocha to have saved more lives
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