The Fourth Reich of “Israel”

You should have given it a different name then.

@ZSK
I think “Evil Nazi Death Cult” might have been a better name. Your thoughts?

ujm, you mean the state that has been supporting all those yeshivos and kolleilim with TONS of money?!?

UJM – The infantile over-the-top hate language, Nazi imagery, over-emphasis on being opposed to “Zionism” and not “ערב רב” (which would include post-Zionists, and exclude the vast majority of RZ), and lashing out at people who partially agree with you (even a large minority of RZ!), all distract people from the core part of your message which is very real.

Such stupidity on behalf of ujm .

Mindboggling.
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If there was a “fourth reich”, it would refer to the post-reunification Bundsrepublik – which except for the Muslim workers they imported has been a fairly respectable place, with a higher standard of living, and less public corruption, than Medinat Yisrael.

UJM – you are announcing that everyone who is not Torah-observant in the state of Israel is the same as a nazi. I am probably a lot older than you and I can tell you that at my age I realize there are a lot of things the younger me was sure about and quite strident about that as I became older I realized there is the possibility I might not be as right (or as righteous) as I thought. I learned that anger is a tool to be used when appropriate but it is very, VERY rarely appropriate and kindness and love is nearly always the right choice. In that case I learned when I am going to express anger I need to be VERY certain that is the correct choice because nearly always it is the wrong choice.

And even then, when anger should be expressed – certainly when giving tochacha – it CANNOT be expressed out of anger but rather only out of love. I do not get the sense that you love these poor Jews who were never exposed to Torah. Do you think when our Father in shemayim looks down he hates them and longs to strike them down or – like the poor Yidden stolen from their families in Russia to be sent to serve the czar, forced away from Judaism – he cries for them and longs for their return?

Do you think there is ANY chance that when you call them nazis they will think to themselves “you know what, UJM is right. I am going to do teshuvah?” That is not what kiruv does. That is certainly not what Chabad does. They will never return to their source without love. It seems to me your job is to love them and bring them back to Judaism.

My two cents. My understanding is there is no such thing as apokorsim today. Those who oppose Judaism do so out of ignorance. It is not our job to slander them. It is our job to inspire them and love them and bring them back to their Father who loves them more than we can possibly know.

These people are not R’ Acher. They do not know Torah. These are the Cantonists, removed from Yiddishkeit with Jewish neshamos. Love them. Don’t push them farther away from Torah. It’s hard. And calling them names feels so good. But in general calling people names feels good which is among the reasons we are forbidden and we destroy ourselves in the process.

Another thought I had. The line where something is lashon harah is it generally clear, but not always crisp and clear. If I am about to do something on Shabbos and it is not entirely clear, is it allowed or is it prohibited, it is a big deal to violate Shabbos. I will not do it. If there is a piece of food that I want to eat, and it might be kosher, but it might not be. It is a big deal and I am not going to eat it.

Lashon hara or motzei Shem ra is the same. You need to be very very, very certain that what you are doing is perfectly righteous. If there is any doubt would violate Shabbos? Would you eat something not kosher? This is worse than that. Someone who violate Shabbos or someone who eats not Kosher can have that action not only disappear but actually become a merit through teshuvah.

If this indeed is bad speech there is no forgiveness for you. It is impossible for you to do teshuvah. You would need to find every single one of the millions of people you said our equivalent to Nazis and ask their forgiveness. This is like the moshol of the Baal lashon harah who asked the rabbi how to make teshuvah. The rabbi said take your down pillow to the center of the city and cut it open. And I think you know the rest of the moshol.

This is very dangerous stuff. Worse than eating not kosher. Worse even than violating Shabbos. Those can be forgiven through teshuvah. This cannot be forgiven through only teshuvah.

On 2025 August 14 at 10:54 am,
in a discussion titled: “Where does Joseph/UJM live”,
GadolHadofi described UJM as:

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“…the arch-troll who lives a very rich fantasy life.

In other words, he’s a nasty, compulsive liar
who can’t even do that very well.

Not surprising, given his highly questionable genealogy.”

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I did not write those words; GadolHadofi wrote those words.

user176:
The Zionist “State” has been the greatest meridah baHashem ever (and Zionism is now now ongoing for over a century, which has shmaded millions of Jews. How exactly do you discard all the Torah about megalgelin zechus al yedai Zakai and all the rest, and claim that these wicked people and their mass rebellion is really doing the work of G-d?

@user176
sorry, this is a website for Jews. Here, we follow the Torah. Please stop teaching from other religions.

keith > Another thought I had. The line where something is lashon harah is it generally clear, but not always crisp and clear. If I am about to do something on Shabbos and it is not entirely clear, is it allowed or is it prohibited, it is a big deal to violate Shabbos. I will not do it.

a general nature of mitzvos l’Hashem and l’chavero – the latter depends on the person you are dealing with. You are not sure how he will react, and you are not sure what he was thinking about when he did something, and what lead him to that. So, these mitzvos are more complicated and there is more analysis of each case. with mitzvos l Hashem, you can study a sugya, digest different opinions, ask a shaila, come to a conclusion, and most similar cases will be the same.

BH…. hopefully, this will be the final Reich.

Strange title.
But when you look at the history of the secular leaders of Israel it’s pretty sad. The yeminite children where children were torn from their religious parents and put on pork eating kibbutzim,forced autopsies of all Jews who died in Israel,chillul shabbos,tattoo shops,pork stores,digging up graves of sages,gay parades and drafting yeshiva boys.

ujm – I don’t like the government of Israel, and certainly the historical Secular Zionist movement any more than you do. I do love the people here, and believe that most of them are closer to Torah and Emunah than you think. But the language you use makes it easy to avoid the real part of your message.

Square root. Nothing cuz speech imin an argument isn’t “not is shem ra” that’s like taking it a little too far.
Stringent much

SQUARE_ROOT:
Not exactly. That would be the Zionist idolaters. Remember that it was their idol that both caused and contributed to the Holocaust by the Third Reich. And, like that Third Reich, that idol wishes to destroy Judaism and, in fact, its very purpose in existing is to replace Judaism with its idolatry. So referring to that idol as the Fourth Reich is actually a step up for that idol.

yes, the headline above – that seems to correspond to the context – mentions “Lomdei Torah”, while I understand that the Rav is against any chareidi-affiliated person to not go to the army. Can someone please explain why there is the difference between public statements and the actual position?

I would think that those who support this position would be even more bothered by the difference and have an explanation for me.

Ujm
is misguided , like his fellows somejew and katan.
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We have to face the fact that we haredim are a persecuted minority in galut in our own land , between our own errant brothers , who are ready to use their majority , their power and any trick in the book, to ensnare us and our children in order to remake us in their own image .

this brings huge challenges and I am not mekaneh our leaders who have to navigate this

we need huge rachamei shamayim and be very determined ,clever and careful.

the rubbish somejew , katan and ujm are spouting is not only clearly incorrect , it also makes our position worse , and the rbsh’o should open their eyes, both , to the torah and to the reality we live in, and they should stop being the world war one soldier who is still fighting his old battles, in wars of the twenty-first century [language chazon ish used]
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I acknowledge that the latest call mentions other Jewish tzoros in the opening paragraph. I am glad someone in moetzes secretariat read my post!

Whoever wrote this – I am not fully satisfied though: I’d like to see explicit davening for other tzoros, not mention them and then talk about the horror of the draft. Sounds very political. Please send us another draft (pun intended).

@aaq

there are plenty of kol koreh’s re the physical situation in EY .

we do say extra tehillim for years already , for the physical matsav in EY .

polls measuring the amount of time put in altruistic and voluntary work for others in the community , put haredim at a huge multiple when compared with hilonim ….

same with polls measuring the amount of finances given in a voluntary way to other people …

if there are people who owe some answers in that regard, it is the hilonim , not the haredim ….
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