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@UJM:
Although the deceased Satmar Rav may have rejected some of the tactics of the Neturei Kapos, the current Satmars are not obeying the directives of the deceased Satmar Rav.
It appears that a fake distinction between Satmars and Neturei Kapos has been manufactured to protect Satmar business interests.
Your pathetic fake slander of Netanyahu is obvious – he is not “Chazer-Fressing”, the Knesset does not serve chazer.
Netanyahu is constantly responsible for protecting Jewish lives in Eretz Yisrael, so he cannot really keep Shabbos.
Is Netanyahu a pious frum Jew? Definitely not.
But I’m pretty sure he has more of an olam habah than NYC Satmar/Neturei Kapos who aid and abet enemies of the Jews.yankel> the main point he was making is – that one cannot trade
> trade – meaning gaining one thing for the benefit of anotherThanks for the clarification. If this were a real equal trade-off – maybe you can rely on shev ve lo taase. For example, if you are under Nazis in Poland, maybe not worth running towards being under communists in Poland. Or, if you are under communists in Poland, no reason to run towards Nazis in Poland … but in this case, I don’t think there was a symmetry – there was no magic frum oilam left somewhere protected that would have been better than matzav in EY. Small yerushalmi kahal, as important as it was, could not stand on it’s own.
Yankel Berel, thank you for your valuable quote from the Penei Yehoshua ZTL ZYA.
I wish you a happy Chanukah and a safe and warm winter.
its not my ‘“Satmarism replacement theology”
it definitely is authentic torah
penei yehoshua is standard ‘authentic torah’
this is basic to any beginner torah student …
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.re your quote of rambam — rambam himself conditions kapara with teshuva , al derech hapnei yehoshua — cf rambam hilhot tshuva
without tshuva there is nowadays no kapara at all
also clear to any serious student of rambams writings
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.equally clear that rambam when he says ‘amru hahamim’ — rambam is referring to the gemara in ketuvot which is the subject of the PN’Y
which I quoted
so again —- according to the torah as we received it from the previous generations —- not sure who should really be weeping here ….
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.rightjew :
Your pathetic fake slander of Netanyahu is obvious – he is not “Chazer-Fressing”, the Knesset does not serve chazer.
Netanyahu is constantly responsible for protecting Jewish lives in Eretz Yisrael, so he cannot really keep Shabbos.
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total rubbish.
because knesset is not serving chazzer , is that proof that bibi doesn’t privately eat chazzer ???
where is elementary logic ???
because bibi is responsible for lives in EY , is that an excuse for bibi’s documented unrelated hilul shabbat ???
reasoning and methodology used — reminds me of somejew and katan …..
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.@AAQ
the whole idea from rav mibrisk was that no trade off is permitted —- at all .
equal or unequal .
nothing .
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.ujm should not use the word gestapo when describing israeli police tactics even when they are unjustified
there is no comparison whatsoever between gestapo tactics and israeli police tactics
any objective researcher of the holocaust will concur
usage of totally inapropriate language , besides being factually incorrect and undermining ujm’s credibility …
… also supports the villains who are waiting to spill our own and ujm’s brothers innocent blood
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.ChatGPT correction of the title: AG requires yeshivot to provide proper accounting to make sure money for overseas students are not allocated to in-town draft dodgers.
you do not understand what the term nazi means …
his testimony is horrible
but that’s still far from nazi’s
read up about what the nazi’s really did and then comment …
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.animals and mamzerim cannot be taken literally ,, the term nazi can
many people think that all the nazi’s did was what was shown in that clip
what the nazi’s really did was plain unthinkable ….
so therefore please , do not call them nazi’s ….
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.Joseph Goebbels,
You’re literally an animal on two legs who should be tuned over to Germany for prosecution as an anti-Semitic Nazi, just like your close relative was. You’re certainly not Jewish!
> When you call a violent person a mamzer does that literally mean he’s an actual mamzer?
it actually means that the speaker is the mamzer.
@yankel berel:
Chazal say gadol haMachtio min haHorgo, and the Zionists are orders of magnitude worse in that regard.But just because the Zionists B”H haven’t done everything the Nazis did, that doesn’t mean that nothing the Zionists have done could qualify under that rubric. In fact, these recent examples very much qualify.
I think those officer’s behavior is absolutely reprehensible. But it’s important to understand where they are coming from before we judge them. They probably have seen their fellow soldiers crushed under the weight of constant fighting against our genocidal enemy, and see the Charedim fight tooth and nail to sit out the war. They are angry and in pain. That’s very understandable. What’s not acceptable is how they were unable to control their anger and pain, and what actions they did because of the anger and pain. It’s not acceptable that their pain causes them to hate other Jews. But it’s important not to let this snowball out of control… they don’t hate frum people, they don’t despise Charedim (in theory), they are not Nazis. They do not want to destroy Torah. They are angered, pained, and yes, even hate their brothers who refuse to come to their aid and help shoulder the burden against our enemy who wants to destroy us all.
you can play the say gymnastics with nazi murderous in WWII:
“while their mass slaughter of jewish villages is unacceptable, they don’t (in theory) want to kill all the jews, they just can’t control their emotions watching the jews refusing to aid their country”Israel is not “our” country just because we choose to live in Eretz Yisroel.
Arabs (or whoever the zionists are murdering today) are not “our” enemy just because the zionists decided to provoke them to war.Even if the only thing that UJM did wrong in his entire life
was to start this evil discussion, that alone is more-than-enough
for him to go down to Gehinom and NEVER come up, FOREVER!!!This evil discussion is a super-massive MOTZI SHEM RA
against millions of Jews, most of which are good people.This evil discussion is also a super-massive CHILLUL HASHEM.
This is in addition to UJM being a super-RODAIF and super-MOSAIR.
Last but not least, the moderators who approved his
MOTZI SHEM RA messages will also be punished.will rephrase ujm ‘s post to make it palatable to normal people :
Thugs in uniform and on horseback and with batons have been violently beating Bnei Torah in Eretz Yisroel many times since 1948.
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.cannot understand how ujm can advocate for the closing of the medina
without taking responsibility for the safety of millions of innocent people …..
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Hate of The Jews – A Historical Inheritance [2020 – printed in Gaza]
No Future [for the Jew] within the Nations [2008 – printed in Algeria]These are the titles of the books , published by Dr Alhazar , Founding Father and Member of Politburo of Hamas and ex Foreign Minister of the Hamas government of Gaza.
In it , the esteemed author makes several extremely popular statements. Popular with his readership , the Arabs of Gaza and the West Bank. And with the Palestine – supporting outsiders . A copy of his book was found on the ‘humanitarian’ 2010 Mavi Marmara flotilla whose travelers’ ostensible goal was nothing more than providing aid to suffering Gazan Arabs .
Within those books the following gems are to be found ….
– The Jews were killed in Germany because they helped the enemy
– All misfortunes suffered by the Jews anywhere over the generations are their own fault
– The Koran encourages the killing of Jews
– All Jews have to be driven out of Palestine
– The Jew is the historical center of evil, hated by the entire world
– The endgame is the total uprooting of the Jew , which will happen at the End of Days, may it happen with Allah’s help
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These are the friends of somejew , of ujm , flamingOTD and katan
These are the people who are naturally next in line to take over governance of EY , when the fervent wishes of somejew , katan , flamingOTD and ujm for the collapse of the hated medina will materialize …
The very minute the IDF stops its work , those ‘people’ are taking over ….
No one besides the IDF is prepared to suffer dead and wounded to stop those ‘people’
No outside force will risk the lives of their soldiers to confront those fanatics
This is clear to anyone not bribed by ideological blinkers ….
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.YB,
Joseph Goebbels doesn’t give a damn about the safety of millions of innocent Jews since he’s a Nazi, just like his close relative was. He’s not even Jewish!
On Sunday, 2024 January 14, around 60 Neturei Karta members
protested AGAINST the freeing of Jewish hostages in Gaza,
who were taken hostage by Hamas terrorists.This anti-Torah protest happened outside the Monsey Municipal Building.
SOURCE: Monsey Scoop and article titled: “REVOLTING: Neturei Karta
Protests After Ramapo Town Supervisor Calls For Hostages’ Release”
2024 January 15, www (dot) TheYeshivaWorld (dot) com__________________________________________
When Rabbi Shteinmann ZTL ZYA came to Monsey,
the Neturei Karta spit on his face.When will we Jews get SERIOUS about stopping this very dangerous evil?
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According to an article by Yerachmiel HaLevi on 2023 November 10
on Quora dot com, the Neturei Karta “RAISE MONEY”
for Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran.When will we get SERIOUS about stopping the Neturei Karta?
@square_root
looked at the article. none of those speakers were NK. None of the speakers posted spoke about hostages, hamas, or raising money. None of the signs mentioned anything about hostages, hamas, or razing any money.NK, afaik, has never raised money for any non-jewish groups.
NK has many resources online their website as well as other content. What have you ever seen by them that is against the Torah (please quote with honest context)?
People who create headlines need their parnosah so maybe their rabonim gave them reshus to write like that. A friend of mine got a reshus to play music in ballet … but where do normal peope get reshus to say words like “declared war” for an event of canceled subsidies, and also for reposting articles that omit saying why subsidies were cancelled – my understanding these are schools that do not teach basic literacy skills. Governments usually pay for education that addresses their needs.
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