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September 17, 2025 9:50 am at 9:50 am #2450958ujmParticipantSeptember 17, 2025 9:50 am at 9:50 am #2450959ujmParticipantSeptember 17, 2025 2:28 pm at 2:28 pm #2451171simcha613Participant
I think arresting them is not productive and it won’t really change anything. I don’t know if there’s anything that will change anything but at the very least, the medina should not support those who don’t support the medina. If the Charedi yeshivos refuse to be a part of our collective effort to protect our land, then they should try and get outside donations. It may take money from other need tzedakos, but there’s only so much money to go around. And with so many soldiers sacrificing so much, the medina should do a much better job financially supporting them, as well as the yeshivos who are supportive of the defensive effort against our genocidal enemies.
September 17, 2025 2:28 pm at 2:28 pm #2451213September 17, 2025 2:28 pm at 2:28 pm #2451190ujmParticipantSeptember 17, 2025 2:28 pm at 2:28 pm #2451220ujmParticipantSeptember 18, 2025 11:53 am at 11:53 am #2451504ujmParticipantSeptember 18, 2025 11:55 am at 11:55 am #2451668September 18, 2025 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #2452078ujmParticipantSeptember 18, 2025 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #2452080ujmParticipantSeptember 18, 2025 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #2452082SQUARE_ROOTParticipantfor UJM:
Every time you publicly refer to the State of Israel as “The Fourth Reich”,
you strengthen the hands of genocidal Muslim terrorists,
who want to KILL ALL JEWS, including: non-Zionists, anti-Zionists,
old people, pregnant women, cholim, children, infants, and babies.This make you a RODAIF!!!
What is the Olam HaBa of a RODAIF?
What is the Olam HaZeh of a RODAIF?
September 21, 2025 12:53 pm at 12:53 pm #2452682September 21, 2025 12:53 pm at 12:53 pm #2452688September 21, 2025 1:43 pm at 1:43 pm #2452849ujmParticipantSeptember 22, 2025 1:24 pm at 1:24 pm #2452885somejewiknowParticipant@ujm
zionists don’t care about the pain of ehrliche yidden, they only care about the pain of themselves losing power. they are proud to die for their state, R”L.September 22, 2025 1:25 pm at 1:25 pm #2452909SQUARE_ROOTParticipantIf any non-Jew referred to the State of Israel as “The Fourth Reich”,
that non-Jew would be condemned for anti-Semitism.So what can we say about Jews like UJM who say that in public?
The accepted definition of anti-Semitism includes claiming that Jews are Nazis.
So what can we say about Jews like UJM who publicly say that Israelis are Nazis?
September 28, 2025 9:10 am at 9:10 am #2454325ujmParticipantSeptember 29, 2025 11:28 am at 11:28 am #2454694Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantIs it mutar to propagate something that is not emes? “arrested for blowing shofar” is clearly a guzma. It sounds great but are we really ready to say anything, emes or not, in order to cause outrage in gullible readers? As it is not clear from the article, what the reason for the arrest were, L’tzad zechut, I can only think that blowing shofar was a violation of noise ordinance or something, so the headline is not a 100% lie. The worst thing that this is done “in support of bnei Torah”.
September 29, 2025 11:28 am at 11:28 am #2454812ujmParticipantSeptember 29, 2025 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm #2455384yankel berelParticipant@AAQ
Is it mutar to propagate something that is not emes?
“arrested for blowing shofar” is clearly emes.
Why is AAQ pretending that that the Israeli police are tsadiqim ?
It sounds great but are we really ready to say anything, emes or not, in order to cause outrage in gullible readers?
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.October 1, 2025 1:30 am at 1:30 am #2455499Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantyankel, even if Israeli police are not tzadiqim, this does not make non-emes emes. I could not find more info about the arrest, seems like nobody in the english press outside of those who wanted to say “arrest for blowing shofar” cared. Maybe, you can check what was the official reason for the arrest.
October 1, 2025 1:33 am at 1:33 am #2455872October 22, 2025 2:21 pm at 2:21 pm #2462003October 22, 2025 2:21 pm at 2:21 pm #2461999October 22, 2025 2:21 pm at 2:21 pm #2462000October 22, 2025 2:22 pm at 2:22 pm #2462169ujmParticipantOctober 23, 2025 12:24 pm at 12:24 pm #2462292ujmParticipantOctober 23, 2025 12:24 pm at 12:24 pm #2462337Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantcomparing people who refuse to go to the army and also have breaks with actual hostages seems distasteful to me. Maybe they should ask opinion of the released hostages before making such statements.
October 23, 2025 12:25 pm at 12:25 pm #2462357ujmParticipantOctober 23, 2025 12:25 pm at 12:25 pm #2462358ujmParticipantHarav Shalom Ber Sorotzkin shlit”a decried the ongoing persecution of bnei Torah in Eretz Yisroel, comparing the situation to the dark days of Soviet oppression.
“I came to America to do a job that isn’t easy — to take care of bochurim,” Rav Sorotzkin said. “We have 13,500 talmidim across our mosdos, and every one of them is precious. When I heard this morning that they arrested a choshuve bochur in the yeshiva — an emesdike masmid, whose only ‘crime’ was sitting and learning Torah — I was shaken. We heard such stories from our fathers and grandfathers in Russia, when people were arrested for learning. Now it’s happening again, in Eretz Yisroel.”
The bochur, named Ariel Shammai, was sentenced to 20 days in military prison. “He was handed a 20-day prison sentence for one thing,” Rav Sorotzkin said sharply. “For being an oved Hashem and learning Torah.”
Following the arrest, a massive atzeres tefillah was held outside the prison Wednesday afternoon. Over 1,200 bnei Torah gathered to show support and solidarity with the imprisoned talmid. The gathering doubled as a psichas zman for the yeshiva, led by Rav Moshe Hillel Hirsch shlit”a.
“It was a big maamad of kiddush sheim shamayim in a mechubadike way,” said Rav Sorotzkin. “We began Chezkas Habatim there. It gave the bochur chizuk — he saw that Klal Yisroel is with him.”
October 23, 2025 12:25 pm at 12:25 pm #2462584ujmParticipantOctober 23, 2025 12:25 pm at 12:25 pm #2462585October 23, 2025 12:25 pm at 12:25 pm #2462586October 24, 2025 11:53 am at 11:53 am #2462792yankel berelParticipantthis is a milhemet mitsva – not to agree to forced enlistment
and we cannot back down .
ish et re’ehu yazoru ule’achiv yomar chazak !
et l’asot lashem !
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.October 24, 2025 11:53 am at 11:53 am #2462795October 24, 2025 11:53 am at 11:53 am #2462797Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantHarav Shalom Ber Sorotzkin makes an unusual comparison of the matzav to USSR experience. Usually, people who try to appeal to raw emotions, just go for Nazi comparison – not because Soviets were better than Nazis, but most emotional people don’t think about USSR whether early or late times, while Nazis are mentioned more often.
So, I presume HaRav chose his words judiciously. Maybe, he was affected by his family’s history in Belorussia and even Russia itself up to 1930s …
Maybe, he also was so much involved in helping Russian Jews to become more religious that he feels their pain and is afraid that secular Israelis are moving in the same direction as our lost russian brothers. Please give me more info on these outreach activities that HaRav was involved in so that I can understand why he thinks he can make such a comparison.October 24, 2025 11:53 am at 11:53 am #2462865yankel berelParticipant@AAQ
the very future of our nation is under threat
this is no joking matter at all
this illegal and immoral decree has to be resisted by all [peaceful] means possible without letup until complete victory
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.October 24, 2025 11:54 am at 11:54 am #2462868yankel berelParticipantas an aside –
on the domestic scene —
the religious in Israel are innocent victims of … prejudiced lawfare by biased crooks masquerading as judges and legal experts
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and ironically …. on the international scene —-
exactly the same :
Israel is the innocent victim of …. prejudiced lawfare by biased crooks masquerading as judges and legal experts
midah keneged midah , hashgacha peratit ……
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.October 24, 2025 11:54 am at 11:54 am #2462871October 24, 2025 11:54 am at 11:54 am #2462902October 26, 2025 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #2463019SQUARE_ROOTParticipantFanatical anti-Zionists like UJM and HaKatan win debates,
not because they have better facts, and not because
they have better logic, but because they endlessly repeat
the same completely-refuted claims,
until their opponents quit from overwhelming exhaustion.It is emotionally exhausting to debate with people like
UJM and HaKatan, who refuse to admit when their opponents
make a valid point, and endlessly repeat the same claims,
even after those claims have been refuted multiple times
in multiple ways by multiple people.This is what their internal code looks like:
10 Publicly attack Zionists and Zionism at all times.
20 Ignore all statements from non-Charedi Rabbis.
30 Ignore all statements from non-anti-Zionist Rabbis.
40 Ignore all refutations from opponents.
50 Ignore the devastating impact of their own advice.
60 GOTO line 10.Notice that this code repeats endlessly, and very few people
have the time or the patience to deal with endless repetition,
nor are most people able to cope with having their
perfectly valid facts and logic repeatedly ignored.And that is how people UJM and HaKatan win debates:
not with facts, not with logic, but with never-ending
repetition and closed-minded fanaticism.__________________________________________
I have been watching UJM and HaKatan for approximately 2 or 3 years.
During that time, I cannot remember even *** ONE *** time
when they ever criticized Arabs or Muslims or The United Nations
or The New York Times. They criticize Israel *** ONLY ***.Can you understand why I suspect them of being
paid agents of Hamas or Hezbollah or Iran?And I am not joking when I say that.
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Another tactic that UJM and HaKatan use to win debates is
constantly attacking their opponents
by accusing them if being heretics and idol-worshipers.Very few people can tolerate that kind of abuse
for a long time, and they know that.And that is how UJM and HaKatan win debates:
not with facts, not with logic, but with never-ending
personal attacks against people who disagree with them.October 26, 2025 7:33 pm at 7:33 pm #2463386ujmParticipantOctober 26, 2025 7:33 pm at 7:33 pm #2463414ujmParticipantOctober 26, 2025 7:33 pm at 7:33 pm #2463415ujmParticipantOctober 26, 2025 7:33 pm at 7:33 pm #2463417ujmParticipantSephardic Chief Rabbi Hagaon HaRav Yitzchak Yosef sharply criticized several Religious Zionist Roshei Yeshiva who attacked his recent remarks on the issue of drafting yeshiva Bochrim.
“There are some of them that if they would come to join a minyan, we would not count them,” Rav Yosef said. “They are considered apikorsim.”
The Chief Rabbi also singled out Rabbi Tamir Granot, a Rosh Yeshiva at a Hesder Yeshiva who has publicly called for drafting Chareidim.
“There is one ‘rabbi’ — I don’t even know if he’s a rabbi — a Rosh Yeshiva of a Hesder Yeshiva, who goes on television to speak against us,” Rav Yosef said. “Does he not fear the sin of degrading talmidei chachamim?”
He added, “Anyone who calls for drafting those who learn Torah is an apikores. We would not include him in a minyan.”
October 27, 2025 9:46 am at 9:46 am #2463591simcha613ParticipantI am still shocked that R’ Yosef could say such horrific and terrible things. As try as I can, I can not find any way to be melamed zechus for such terrible dibur.
October 27, 2025 10:40 am at 10:40 am #2463729somejewiknowParticipant@simcha613 you would be equally surprised, I suppose, about what he might say about “Jews for J”
October 27, 2025 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #2463767simcha613ParticipantSomejew- yeah, because misisonizing christians are the same as dati leumi roshei yeshiva who son dies defending Klali Yisroel from our genocidal neighbors.
I don’t know when you’ll realize the tremendous evil that you type against your brothers, but it will take a superhuman neshama to be able to do teshuva on that.
October 27, 2025 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #2463779Yaakov Yosef AParticipantsimcha613 – Rav Yitzchak Yosef is far from being a ‘kanai’, or even a ‘machmir’. But he is his father ZT”L’s son, and isn’t afraid to say the truth out loud. Someone who speaks on television openly with chutzpah against a wall-to-wall lineup of Gedolei Hador is OK with you? That isn’t “terrible dibur”? Yes, these people are ‘apikorsim’. Learn the Gemara in Sanhedrin about, and Sefer Chofetz Chaim for that matter, about who is an ‘apikores’ (מאי אהני לן רבנן…) before you pasken against one of the biggest Poskim of this generation.
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