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I think arresting them is not productive and it won’t really change anything. I don’t know if there’s anything that will change anything but at the very least, the medina should not support those who don’t support the medina. If the Charedi yeshivos refuse to be a part of our collective effort to protect our land, then they should try and get outside donations. It may take money from other need tzedakos, but there’s only so much money to go around. And with so many soldiers sacrificing so much, the medina should do a much better job financially supporting them, as well as the yeshivos who are supportive of the defensive effort against our genocidal enemies.
for UJM:
Every time you publicly refer to the State of Israel as “The Fourth Reich”,
you strengthen the hands of genocidal Muslim terrorists,
who want to KILL ALL JEWS, including: non-Zionists, anti-Zionists,
old people, pregnant women, cholim, children, infants, and babies.This make you a RODAIF!!!
What is the Olam HaBa of a RODAIF?
What is the Olam HaZeh of a RODAIF?
@ujm
zionists don’t care about the pain of ehrliche yidden, they only care about the pain of themselves losing power. they are proud to die for their state, R”L.If any non-Jew referred to the State of Israel as “The Fourth Reich”,
that non-Jew would be condemned for anti-Semitism.So what can we say about Jews like UJM who say that in public?
The accepted definition of anti-Semitism includes claiming that Jews are Nazis.
So what can we say about Jews like UJM who publicly say that Israelis are Nazis?
Is it mutar to propagate something that is not emes? “arrested for blowing shofar” is clearly a guzma. It sounds great but are we really ready to say anything, emes or not, in order to cause outrage in gullible readers? As it is not clear from the article, what the reason for the arrest were, L’tzad zechut, I can only think that blowing shofar was a violation of noise ordinance or something, so the headline is not a 100% lie. The worst thing that this is done “in support of bnei Torah”.
@AAQ
Is it mutar to propagate something that is not emes?
“arrested for blowing shofar” is clearly emes.
Why is AAQ pretending that that the Israeli police are tsadiqim ?
It sounds great but are we really ready to say anything, emes or not, in order to cause outrage in gullible readers?
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.yankel, even if Israeli police are not tzadiqim, this does not make non-emes emes. I could not find more info about the arrest, seems like nobody in the english press outside of those who wanted to say “arrest for blowing shofar” cared. Maybe, you can check what was the official reason for the arrest.
comparing people who refuse to go to the army and also have breaks with actual hostages seems distasteful to me. Maybe they should ask opinion of the released hostages before making such statements.
this is a milhemet mitsva – not to agree to forced enlistment
and we cannot back down .
ish et re’ehu yazoru ule’achiv yomar chazak !
et l’asot lashem !
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.Harav Shalom Ber Sorotzkin makes an unusual comparison of the matzav to USSR experience. Usually, people who try to appeal to raw emotions, just go for Nazi comparison – not because Soviets were better than Nazis, but most emotional people don’t think about USSR whether early or late times, while Nazis are mentioned more often.
So, I presume HaRav chose his words judiciously. Maybe, he was affected by his family’s history in Belorussia and even Russia itself up to 1930s …
Maybe, he also was so much involved in helping Russian Jews to become more religious that he feels their pain and is afraid that secular Israelis are moving in the same direction as our lost russian brothers. Please give me more info on these outreach activities that HaRav was involved in so that I can understand why he thinks he can make such a comparison.@AAQ
the very future of our nation is under threat
this is no joking matter at all
this illegal and immoral decree has to be resisted by all [peaceful] means possible without letup until complete victory
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.as an aside –
on the domestic scene —
the religious in Israel are innocent victims of … prejudiced lawfare by biased crooks masquerading as judges and legal experts
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and ironically …. on the international scene —-
exactly the same :
Israel is the innocent victim of …. prejudiced lawfare by biased crooks masquerading as judges and legal experts
midah keneged midah , hashgacha peratit ……
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.Fanatical anti-Zionists like UJM and HaKatan win debates,
not because they have better facts, and not because
they have better logic, but because they endlessly repeat
the same completely-refuted claims,
until their opponents quit from overwhelming exhaustion.It is emotionally exhausting to debate with people like
UJM and HaKatan, who refuse to admit when their opponents
make a valid point, and endlessly repeat the same claims,
even after those claims have been refuted multiple times
in multiple ways by multiple people.This is what their internal code looks like:
10 Publicly attack Zionists and Zionism at all times.
20 Ignore all statements from non-Charedi Rabbis.
30 Ignore all statements from non-anti-Zionist Rabbis.
40 Ignore all refutations from opponents.
50 Ignore the devastating impact of their own advice.
60 GOTO line 10.Notice that this code repeats endlessly, and very few people
have the time or the patience to deal with endless repetition,
nor are most people able to cope with having their
perfectly valid facts and logic repeatedly ignored.And that is how people UJM and HaKatan win debates:
not with facts, not with logic, but with never-ending
repetition and closed-minded fanaticism.__________________________________________
I have been watching UJM and HaKatan for approximately 2 or 3 years.
During that time, I cannot remember even *** ONE *** time
when they ever criticized Arabs or Muslims or The United Nations
or The New York Times. They criticize Israel *** ONLY ***.Can you understand why I suspect them of being
paid agents of Hamas or Hezbollah or Iran?And I am not joking when I say that.
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Another tactic that UJM and HaKatan use to win debates is
constantly attacking their opponents
by accusing them if being heretics and idol-worshipers.Very few people can tolerate that kind of abuse
for a long time, and they know that.And that is how UJM and HaKatan win debates:
not with facts, not with logic, but with never-ending
personal attacks against people who disagree with them.I am still shocked that R’ Yosef could say such horrific and terrible things. As try as I can, I can not find any way to be melamed zechus for such terrible dibur.
@simcha613 you would be equally surprised, I suppose, about what he might say about “Jews for J”
Somejew- yeah, because misisonizing christians are the same as dati leumi roshei yeshiva who son dies defending Klali Yisroel from our genocidal neighbors.
I don’t know when you’ll realize the tremendous evil that you type against your brothers, but it will take a superhuman neshama to be able to do teshuva on that.
simcha613 – Rav Yitzchak Yosef is far from being a ‘kanai’, or even a ‘machmir’. But he is his father ZT”L’s son, and isn’t afraid to say the truth out loud. Someone who speaks on television openly with chutzpah against a wall-to-wall lineup of Gedolei Hador is OK with you? That isn’t “terrible dibur”? Yes, these people are ‘apikorsim’. Learn the Gemara in Sanhedrin about, and Sefer Chofetz Chaim for that matter, about who is an ‘apikores’ (מאי אהני לן רבנן…) before you pasken against one of the biggest Poskim of this generation.
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